Re: Copy and Paste between xterm and other windows in a Debian XFCE environment

2013-12-23 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Brian  wrote:
> On Sat 21 Dec 2013 at 21:09:56 +, Tom H wrote:
>>
>> 2) OT: I don't use XFCE but isn't xfce4-terminal its default terminal?
>
> It is if task-xfce-desktop is installed (and recommends enabled):
>
>  Recommends:  xfprint4, xfce4-terminal, 
>
> Installing xfce4:
>
>  Depends:  thunar (>= 1.2.0), xfce4-utils (>= 4.8.0), 
>
> xfce4-utils has
>
>  Depends:  libxfce4util4 (>= 4.3.99.2), xterm | x-terminal-emulator, 

Thanks. I hadn't thought of checking this; sorry.

So if you install xfce4 rather than task-xfce-desktop as well as
xterm, xfce4-terminal isn't pulled in. I guess that there's a demand
for these kinds of complications but it seems OTT to me.


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Re: Copy and Paste between xterm and other windows in a Debian XFCE environment

2013-12-23 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Bob Proulx  wrote:
>
>   $ echo "XTerm*SelectToClipboard:true" >> ~/.Xresources
>   $ xrdb -m ~/.Xresources

Much simpler than what I'd posted earlier. Thanks.


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Re: Copy and Paste between xterm and other windows in a Debian XFCE environment

2013-12-21 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20131221_212840, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2013-12-21 20:53 +0100, Stephen Powell wrote:
> 
> > I am having trouble copying text from an xterm window into another 
> > application,
> > such as iceweasel, and vice versa.  When I was using GNOME, this worked fine
> > between gnome-terminal and other applications.
> 
> How exactly did you copy the text?
> 
> > But I'm using XFCE now, and
> > xterm seems to be the default terminal emulator application under XFCE.
> 
> Nothing stops you from using gnome-terminal under XFCE, I suppose…

I use gnome-terminal with Xfce with no problems. I like it because I know
where the configuation parameter values are stored ( in .gconf ) and I have
developed a collection of named preference sets which I use for different
tasks. One does NOT have to have the whole of Gnome installed to use Gnome
terminal. 

> 
> > Before you tell me that "Google is my friend", or some other trite brush-off
> > saying, let me tell you that I have done my homework on this.  I have 
> > searched
> > the internet.  I have learned about the difference between the PRIMARY 
> > buffer
> > and the CLIPBOARD buffer, I have learned about settings to put in 
> > .Xdefaults,
> > etc.  But none of the techniques I have found work for me.  I use a 
> > traditional
> > PS/2 mouse.  It has two, and only two, mouse buttons.  It has no thumbwheel.
> >
> > Has anyone succeeded in getting this to work in a Debian XFCE environment?
> 
> I don't use XFCE, but I have set xterm's selectToClipboard resource to
> true, meaning that text you select in xterm can be pasted into other
> applications with Ctrl-V, and Shift-Ins pastes text from the clipboard
> into xterm.
> 
> Cheers,
>Sven
> 
> 
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Re: Copy and Paste between xterm and other windows in a Debian XFCE environment

2013-12-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Paul Cartwright wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > Put XTerm*SelectToClipboard:true in your ~/.Xresources file for
> > permanent configuration.
> >
> >   $ echo "XTerm*SelectToClipboard:true" >> ~/.Xresources
> >   $ xrdb -m ~/.Xresources
>
> I don't have a .Xresources file.. in all my years of UNIX/Linux, I've
> never edited a .xresources file..
> pauls-server:~$ ls -l ~.Xresources
> ls: cannot access ~.Xresources: No such file or directory

Then I assume you have a .Xdefaults file?  Put it there.

There are something like a half dozen different locations that X
resource data can be stored.  An X program will look through each
location in turn in priority order.

I posted on this topic before so instead of annoying the list with
another long posting today I will simply point to the previous.

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/09/msg01385.html

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/02/msg00395.html

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Re: Copy and Paste between xterm and other windows in a Debian XFCE environment

2013-12-21 Thread Rob Owens
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 02:53:20PM -0500, Stephen Powell wrote:
> I am having trouble copying text from an xterm window into another 
> application,
> such as iceweasel, and vice versa.  When I was using GNOME, this worked fine
> between gnome-terminal and other applications.  But I'm using XFCE now, and
> xterm seems to be the default terminal emulator application under XFCE.
> 
Others have already answered about the copy and pasting, but I figured
I'd give you another xterm trick.  You can specify the font type and
size like this:

uxterm -fn a14

I use uxterm instead of xterm (can't remember exactly why).  I found the
default font size too small.  There is a utility called xfontsel which
helps you choose the appropriate font type and size.

-Rob


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Re: Copy and Paste between xterm and other windows in a Debian XFCE environment

2013-12-21 Thread Paul Cartwright

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On 12/21/2013 04:30 PM, Bob Proulx wrote:
>> where do you set this??
> Either interactively with control-middle-mouse-drag down to "Select to
> Clipboard" and check it _or_ set it in your .Xresources.
>
>   man xterm
>
>selectToClipboard (class SelectToClipboard)
>Tells xterm whether to use the PRIMARY or CLIPBOARD
for  SELECT
>tokens  in  the selection mechanism.  The set-select
action can
>change this at runtime, allowing the user to work with
programs
>that  handle  only  one  of  these  mechanisms.  The
default is
>“false”, which tells it to use PRIMARY.
>
> To set this on the fly for testing (session only, not permanent):
>
>   $ echo "XTerm*SelectToClipboard:true" | xrdb -m
>
> Put XTerm*SelectToClipboard:true in your ~/.Xresources file for
> permanent configuration.
>
>   $ echo "XTerm*SelectToClipboard:true" >> ~/.Xresources
>   $ xrdb -m ~/.Xresources
I don't have a .Xresources file.. in all my years of UNIX/Linux, I've
never edited a .xresources file..
pauls-server:~$ ls -l ~.Xresources
ls: cannot access ~.Xresources: No such file or directory

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Re: Copy and Paste between xterm and other windows in a Debian XFCE environment

2013-12-21 Thread Brian
On Sat 21 Dec 2013 at 21:09:56 +, Tom H wrote:

> 2) OT: I don't use XFCE but isn't xfce4-terminal its default terminal?

It is if task-xfce-desktop is installed (and recommends enabled):

 Recommends:  xfprint4, xfce4-terminal, 

Installing xfce4:

 Depends:  thunar (>= 1.2.0), xfce4-utils (>= 4.8.0), 

xfce4-utils has

 Depends:  libxfce4util4 (>= 4.3.99.2), xterm | x-terminal-emulator, 


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Re: Copy and Paste between xterm and other windows in a Debian XFCE environment

2013-12-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On 12/21/2013 03:28 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:
> > I don't use XFCE, but I have set xterm's selectToClipboard resource to
> > true, meaning that text you select in xterm can be pasted into other
> > applications with Ctrl-V, and Shift-Ins pastes text from the clipboard
> > into xterm.
>
> where do you set this??

Either interactively with control-middle-mouse-drag down to "Select to
Clipboard" and check it _or_ set it in your .Xresources.

  man xterm

   selectToClipboard (class SelectToClipboard)
   Tells xterm whether to use the PRIMARY or CLIPBOARD for  SELECT
   tokens  in  the selection mechanism.  The set-select action can
   change this at runtime, allowing the user to work with programs
   that  handle  only  one  of  these  mechanisms.  The default is
   “false”, which tells it to use PRIMARY.

To set this on the fly for testing (session only, not permanent):

  $ echo "XTerm*SelectToClipboard:true" | xrdb -m

Put XTerm*SelectToClipboard:true in your ~/.Xresources file for
permanent configuration.

  $ echo "XTerm*SelectToClipboard:true" >> ~/.Xresources
  $ xrdb -m ~/.Xresources

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Re: Copy and Paste between xterm and other windows in a Debian XFCE environment

2013-12-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-12-21 at 14:53 -0500, Stephen Powell wrote:
> But I'm using XFCE now, and xterm seems to be the default terminal
> emulator application under XFCE.

No, it's xfce4-terminal. Using xfce4-terminal shouldn't cause copy and
paste issues.

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Re: Copy and Paste between xterm and other windows in a Debian XFCE environment

2013-12-21 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 12/21/2013 03:28 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:
> I don't use XFCE, but I have set xterm's selectToClipboard resource to
> true, meaning that text you select in xterm can be pasted into other
> applications with Ctrl-V, and Shift-Ins pastes text from the clipboard
> into xterm.
where do you set this??

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Re: Copy and Paste between xterm and other windows in a Debian XFCE environment

2013-12-21 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Stephen Powell  wrote:
>
> I am having trouble copying text from an xterm window into another 
> application,
> such as iceweasel, and vice versa. When I was using GNOME, this worked fine
> between gnome-terminal and other applications. But I'm using XFCE now, and
> xterm seems to be the default terminal emulator application under XFCE.
>
> Before you tell me that "Google is my friend", or some other trite brush-off
> saying, let me tell you that I have done my homework on this. I have searched
> the internet. I have learned about the difference between the PRIMARY buffer
> and the CLIPBOARD buffer, I have learned about settings to put in .Xdefaults,
> etc. But none of the techniques I have found work for me. I use a traditional
> PS/2 mouse. It has two, and only two, mouse buttons. It has no thumbwheel.
>
> Has anyone succeeded in getting this to work in a Debian XFCE environment?

1) What did you try in ".Xresources"? Did you merge the new
resource(s) via xrdb after setting it(them)?

I use "XTerm*VT100.translations: #override :
select-end(PRIMARY, CLIPBOARD, CUT_BUFFER0)".

2) OT: I don't use XFCE but isn't xfce4-terminal its default terminal?


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Re: Copy and Paste between xterm and other windows in a Debian XFCE environment

2013-12-21 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-12-21 20:53 +0100, Stephen Powell wrote:

> I am having trouble copying text from an xterm window into another 
> application,
> such as iceweasel, and vice versa.  When I was using GNOME, this worked fine
> between gnome-terminal and other applications.

How exactly did you copy the text?

> But I'm using XFCE now, and
> xterm seems to be the default terminal emulator application under XFCE.

Nothing stops you from using gnome-terminal under XFCE, I suppose…

> Before you tell me that "Google is my friend", or some other trite brush-off
> saying, let me tell you that I have done my homework on this.  I have searched
> the internet.  I have learned about the difference between the PRIMARY buffer
> and the CLIPBOARD buffer, I have learned about settings to put in .Xdefaults,
> etc.  But none of the techniques I have found work for me.  I use a 
> traditional
> PS/2 mouse.  It has two, and only two, mouse buttons.  It has no thumbwheel.
>
> Has anyone succeeded in getting this to work in a Debian XFCE environment?

I don't use XFCE, but I have set xterm's selectToClipboard resource to
true, meaning that text you select in xterm can be pasted into other
applications with Ctrl-V, and Shift-Ins pastes text from the clipboard
into xterm.

Cheers,
   Sven


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Re: Copy and Paste between xterm and other windows in a Debian XFCE environment

2013-12-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Stephen Powell wrote:
> I am having trouble copying text from an xterm window into another
> application, such as iceweasel, and vice versa.  When I was using
> GNOME, this worked fine between gnome-terminal and other
> applications.  But I'm using XFCE now, and xterm seems to be the
> default terminal emulator application under XFCE.
> ...
> Has anyone succeeded in getting this to work in a Debian XFCE
> environment?

Works perfectly for me.  I use left-mouse drag for cut.  I use
right-mouse for extend.  I use middle-mouse for paste.  In both XTerm
and in Iceweasel and Chromium.  Except for extend which doesn't work
in the web browsers.  Extend only works in traditional X clients like
XTerm.

In the web browsers if you use C-c, C-x, C-v those operate on the
clipboard and not the primary selection and so will be mismatched.
But if you use left-mouse, right-mouse, (and middle-mouse in XTerm) in
both then both will use the primary selection.

> I have learned about the difference between the PRIMARY buffer and
> the CLIPBOARD buffer, I have learned about settings to put in
> .Xdefaults, etc.  But none of the techniques I have found work for
> me.

But this is configurable.  Since you have found this perhaps you have
configured it?

  $ xrdb -q | grep -i -e cut -e paste
  ...nothing for me...using the defaults...

In an XTerm control-middle-drag to see the menu.  I do not have Select
to Clipboard checked.

You said .Xdefaults.  Do you want the simple and short answer or the
long and detailed answer?  The short answer is don't use .Xdefaults
but use .Xresources with xrdb instead.  They are subtly different.  If
'xrdb -q' has any output then your .Xdefaults will be ignored.  Almost
every desktop session manager sets something in xrdb which will cause
the .Xdefaults to be ignored.  Ask if you want the longer explanation.
To be simple use xrdb to show what you have in memory.  What you see
there is what is there.  If you don't see it then it isn't there.

  $ xrdb -q | less

To make changes:

  $ $EDITOR .Xresources
  $ xrdb -m .Xresources  # merges your _additions_ with the current
Or:
  $ xrdb -l .Xresources  # loads your complete total set overwriting all

The choice of -m or -l depends upon if you want to merge or completely
overwrite.  For example I remember that with KDE it always wanted to
have its own settings elsewhere and so it was always -m "merge" when
using KDE.  But for example with fvwm where the user controls
everything then -l "load" and overwrite would be appropriate.

> I use a traditional PS/2 mouse.  It has two, and only two, mouse
> buttons.  It has no thumbwheel.

You said two mouse buttons.  In which case the default is to simulate
the middle button by pressing both left and right simultaneously.  X
emulates the three button mouse through the two button interface.  In
the old /etc/X11/xorg.conf file this would have had this option in the
mouse section.

  Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"

It is possible that one of the problems is the middle button emulation
isn't working correctly.

Bob


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