Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

[Charlie S]

On Thu, 31 May 2018 10:42:17 +1200 Richard Hector sent:

> On 30/05/18 11:12, Charlie S wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 May 2018 14:22:08 + (UTC) Curt sent:
> >   
> >> On 2018-05-29, Charlie S  wrote:  
> >>>
> >>> I wonder how one discovers what file managers there are installed
> >>> on this system. I suppose have to name each one and see which are
> >>> installed that way.
> >>
> >>  xdg-mime query default inode/directory
> >>
> >> works here (xdg-mime is part of xdg-utils) to discover the default
> >> file manager on my machine.
> >>
> >> curty@einstein:~$ xdg-mime query default inode/directory
> >> pcmanfm.desktop
> >>
> >> Of course that wasn't the question you were asking, but it's the
> >> answer I'm giving.  
> > 
> > 
> > After contemplation, my reply is:
> > 
> > Thanks Curt,
> > 
> > Siard had the thing right. There was a spin tiller, but because my
> > file manager window was too small, it wasn't in the picture.
> > 
> > It does beg the question, if that window has always been so small
> > how did I change the order of the way the file manager presented the
> > directories and files? There must be a key combination shortcut that
> > would do it? Maybe?  
> 
> You can click anywhere on the Name header to switch the order, so you
> don't have to be able to see the indicator. I often click on those
> things by mistake.
> 
> Richard

Thank you Richard. As you described, I must have changed it in the
first place. I did wonder. I must have done what you did and clicked
into that space, not noticed and then discovered it later.

You never stop learning. Till they screw down the lid on the coffin, and
even that is a lesson I suppose.

Thank you,
Charlie

After contemplation, my reply is:

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Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

[Richard Hector]

On 30/05/18 11:12, Charlie S wrote:
> On Tue, 29 May 2018 14:22:08 + (UTC) Curt sent:
> 
>> On 2018-05-29, Charlie S  wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder how one discovers what file managers there are installed on
>>> this system. I suppose have to name each one and see which are
>>> installed that way.  
>>
>>  xdg-mime query default inode/directory
>>
>> works here (xdg-mime is part of xdg-utils) to discover the default
>> file manager on my machine.
>>
>> curty@einstein:~$ xdg-mime query default inode/directory
>> pcmanfm.desktop
>>
>> Of course that wasn't the question you were asking, but it's the
>> answer I'm giving.
> 
> 
>   After contemplation, my reply is:
> 
> Thanks Curt,
> 
> Siard had the thing right. There was a spin tiller, but because my file
> manager window was too small, it wasn't in the picture.
> 
> It does beg the question, if that window has always been so small how
> did I change the order of the way the file manager presented the
> directories and files? There must be a key combination shortcut that
> would do it? Maybe?

You can click anywhere on the Name header to switch the order, so you
don't have to be able to see the indicator. I often click on those
things by mistake.

Richard




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Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

On 30/05/18 11:49, Charlie S wrote:

My file manager window was too small, the spin control hidden.


Ah! Thanks for letting us know.


At the same time there is a wallaby hopping round the room and wombats
running all over the floor. So when unplugging, plugging in leads on
shelves have to negotiate them.


Tricky. While at my standing desk, I only have to contend with a hungry 
cat sinking his claws into my legs.



I really appreciate your generosity of time I used up. Yours, and
other peoples. I always make this list the last port of call when I
have been frustrated, unable to find answers from the web/manuals and
trolling archives, for some days or weeks. Then I bite the bullet and
ask here.
So thank you once again. It is as always, very much appreciated.


You are most welcome. Good questions make this list interesting.

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Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

[Charlie S]

On Wed, 30 May 2018 07:14:45 +1200 Ben Caradoc-Davies sent:

> On 29/05/18 13:46, Charlie S wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 May 2018 13:26:37 +1200 Ben Caradoc-Davies sent:  
> >> On 29/05/18 13:08, Charlie S wrote:  
> >>> Hello Everyone,
> >>>   Suddenly my file managers show the files in reverse order
> >>> to the norm, i.e directories on top and individual files
> >>> beneath. Don't know how it was accidentally done?
> >>> Using FVWM - Debian Stretch
> >>> Any clues where I might configure this to return it to what is was
> >>> would be appreciated.
> >>> TIA
> >>> Charlie  
> >> Which file manager are you using? Thunar (the default for Xfce)
> >> has a checkbox option Edit / Preferences / Display / "Sort folders
> >> before files".
> >> Thunar also allows you to change the sort order by toggling the
> >> "\/" (descending) or "/\" (ascending) at the end of the column
> >> heading label, but I think your problem is more like that fixed by
> >> the checkbox above.  
> > Thanks for your prompt answer Ben. I use MC and that's fine.
> > But when I go Ctrl-O when in Kate or Lyx the order is reversed.
> > Can't get an answer from the Lyx list. It must be a file manager
> > accessed by these two.
> > Libreoffice and Okular don't reverse the order.
> > When the window opens there is no option other than list view -
> > detail view or new folder. Very sparse.
> > I might have to set the file-manager in my profile or .bashrc, but
> > don't know the way to do that.
> > Thank You,
> > Charlie  
> So for clarity (and better Googling), please confirm these details:
> 
> - the problem is *not* your file manager, it is the ordering in the
> file chooser dialog of some applications, and
> 
> - the order is not reversed, is just that folders are sorted before
> files.
> 
> Please confirm that my understanding is correct.
> 
> The common element is that both Kate and Lyx are Qt applications, but 
> then so is Okular I think. There might be a KDE setting. I do not
> know.
> 
> Can you access options by right clicking on a folder in the file
> chooser dialog?


After contemplation, my reply is:

Thank you for your time and patience Ben. Never having struck
this problem previously it was frustrating and googling didn't
help, I tried xdg-utils and I have forgotten most of the others
that I attempted to, or got into in an attempt to fix it.

Siard had the way of it.

My file manager window was too small, the spin control hidden. I might
have called that the "spin tiller" in other emails. A senior moment or
two and because I am a peasanto, a man of the land when not retired.
At the same time trying to talk to a man about my phone line being
down. He needed to go away and check some things, and in between I am
trying to answer all the good people who have replied to this. The
phone business is now completed, but will have to wait some days for my
landline to be fixed. One down, thank you all, one to go. [sigh]

At the same time there is a wallaby hopping round the room and wombats
running all over the floor. So when unplugging, plugging in leads on
shelves have to negotiate them.

I really appreciate your generosity of time I used up. Yours, and
other peoples. I always make this list the last port of call when I
have been frustrated, unable to find answers from the web/manuals and
trolling archives, for some days or weeks. Then I bite the bullet and
ask here.

So thank you once again. It is as always, very much appreciated.
Charlie

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Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

[Charlie S]

On Tue, 29 May 2018 18:50:40 +0200 Stefan Krusche sent:

> On my system here is also a configuration option in the opening
> dialog of kate next to the field where the directory is shown. There,
> in a submenu, I can choose that directories be shown first. Also,
> with F12 as a hotkey, directories will be shown in a separate area of
> the open file dialog.


After contemplation, my reply is:

Thank you for your reply Stefan. I can't seem to make that
work, but probably haven't got the hotkey configured. Anyway,
my eyes have been opened.

Siard had the right way of it. My file manager window was too
small and the spin control hidden. The reason that this is,
because I have some files that have long names and there is a
huge gap between the Name - [huge gap] -Size - Type etc..

So thank you again.
Charlie

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Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

[Charlie S]

On Tue, 29 May 2018 11:47:58 -0500 David Wright sent:

> On Tue 29 May 2018 at 22:27:43 (+1000), Charlie S wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 May 2018 11:51:31 +0200 Siard sent:
> >   
> > > > But when I go Ctrl-O when in Kate or Lyx the order is
> > > > reversed.
> > > 
> > > I tried Kate. To reverse the order, click the 'Name' header.
> > > Note the small black triangle at the right side of the header
> > > pointing up or down.  
> > 
> > After contemplation, my reply is:
> > 
> > Thank you Siard.
> > 
> > It must be an idiosyncrasy of FVWM, that it doesn't show that little
> > spin control there?  
> 
> AFAIK fvwm manages windows, not their contents.
> 
> > I just tried it again in both programs to be certain. There is
> > nothing there, and no matter what I point and click on, there is
> > nothing that will change the order of the directories and files.
> > 
> > I have no idea what file manager they use.  
> 
> AFAIK that doesn't matter. I get the impression that you're battling
> with the toolkit rather than any particular file manager.
> 
> Which toolkit you see depends on what the application has been linked
> with. For example, most that I use are linked against gtk3, so when I
> click and hold in a scroll bar, the oval "thumb" moves to that point,
> stays there, and can be dragged while the button is held down.
> 
> OTOH xournal, for example, is linked against gtk2 and the thumb is
> rectangular. When you click below it, the thumb moves down only by a
> predictable distance; when the button is held down, this small
> movement gets auto-repeated. You also get the arrows at either end
> of the scrollbar.
> 
> I have noticed that when you open the latter dialog box, the files
> are unsorted and "Name" has no arrow. Click on Name, however, and
> the files sort into alphabetical order and the little triangular
> arrow appears and can be reversed.
> 
> AIUI you're at the mercy of the toolkit for much of the look-and-feel
> of what is contained within the windows that different window managers
> and applications display.
> 
> > I have tried  aptitude search file-manager and aptitude search
> > filemanager and apt policy filemanager and many others ways
> > including which filemanager and all different ways of speling.
> > 
> > But I can't find what file managers are installed to see which one
> > might be being used and need configuring. All those requests come up
> > empty.
> > 
> > I wonder how one discovers what file managers there are installed on
> > this system. I suppose have to name each one and see which are
> > installed that way.  
> 
> Cheers,
> David.
> 


After contemplation, my reply is:

Thank you for your reply. Siard has the thing right. My file
manager window was too small and the spin tiller at the end of
the "name" entry was hidden.

Thank you again,
Charlie 

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Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

[Charlie S]

On Tue, 29 May 2018 14:22:08 + (UTC) Curt sent:

> On 2018-05-29, Charlie S  wrote:
> >
> > I wonder how one discovers what file managers there are installed on
> > this system. I suppose have to name each one and see which are
> > installed that way.  
> 
>  xdg-mime query default inode/directory
> 
> works here (xdg-mime is part of xdg-utils) to discover the default
> file manager on my machine.
> 
> curty@einstein:~$ xdg-mime query default inode/directory
> pcmanfm.desktop
> 
> Of course that wasn't the question you were asking, but it's the
> answer I'm giving.


After contemplation, my reply is:

Thanks Curt,

Siard had the thing right. There was a spin tiller, but because my file
manager window was too small, it wasn't in the picture.

It does beg the question, if that window has always been so small how
did I change the order of the way the file manager presented the
directories and files? There must be a key combination shortcut that
would do it? Maybe?

I mostly use my keyboard.

Thank you again for your reply,
Charlie

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Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

[Charlie S]

On Tue, 29 May 2018 15:14:35 +0200 Siard sent:

> Charlie S wrote:
> > It must be an idiosyncrasy of FVWM, that it doesn't show that little
> > spin control there?
> > 
> > I just tried it again in both programs to be certain. There is
> > nothing there, and no matter what I point and click on, there is
> > nothing that will change the order of the directories and files.  
> 
> Well, here's a screenshot of the 'Open' dialog of Kate in FVWM in
> Stretch. I put a red line around the clickable area.
> https://s15.postimg.cc/bav2blkq3/kate.jpg
> If you have something different, then the reason for that is beyond
> me. But as far as I'm aware of, it has nothing to do with file
> managers.
> 

Thank you Siard.

You are right. I should have sent you a screenshot, and did almost. You
would have picked up the problem instantly.

The problem was this. The window of the file manager was too small. on
the name area, it only showed half the line and the spin control was
cut off.

I really appreciate your patience, thank you for that and very sorry
for the noise

Thank you again,
Charlie

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Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

On 29/05/18 13:46, Charlie S wrote:

On Tue, 29 May 2018 13:26:37 +1200 Ben Caradoc-Davies sent:

On 29/05/18 13:08, Charlie S wrote:

Hello Everyone,
Suddenly my file managers show the files in reverse order to
the norm, i.e directories on top and individual files
beneath. Don't know how it was accidentally done?
Using FVWM - Debian Stretch
Any clues where I might configure this to return it to what is was
would be appreciated.
TIA
Charlie

Which file manager are you using? Thunar (the default for Xfce) has a
checkbox option Edit / Preferences / Display / "Sort folders before
files".
Thunar also allows you to change the sort order by toggling the "\/"
(descending) or "/\" (ascending) at the end of the column heading
label, but I think your problem is more like that fixed by the
checkbox above.

Thanks for your prompt answer Ben. I use MC and that's fine.
But when I go Ctrl-O when in Kate or Lyx the order is reversed. Can't
get an answer from the Lyx list. It must be a file manager accessed by
these two.
Libreoffice and Okular don't reverse the order.
When the window opens there is no option other than list view - detail
view or new folder. Very sparse.
I might have to set the file-manager in my profile or .bashrc, but
don't know the way to do that.
Thank You,
Charlie

So for clarity (and better Googling), please confirm these details:

- the problem is *not* your file manager, it is the ordering in the file 
chooser dialog of some applications, and


- the order is not reversed, is just that folders are sorted before files.

Please confirm that my understanding is correct.

The common element is that both Kate and Lyx are Qt applications, but 
then so is Okular I think. There might be a KDE setting. I do not know.


Can you access options by right clicking on a folder in the file chooser 
dialog?


Kind regards,

--
Ben Caradoc-Davies 
Director
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

[Stefan Krusche]

Am Dienstag 29 Mai 2018 schrieb Charlie S:
> On Tue, 29 May 2018 11:51:31 +0200 Siard sent:
> > > But when I go Ctrl-O when in Kate or Lyx the order is reversed.
> >
> > I tried Kate. To reverse the order, click the 'Name' header.
> > Note the small black triangle at the right side of the header
> > pointing up or down.
>
>   After contemplation, my reply is:
>
> Thank you Siard.
>
> It must be an idiosyncrasy of FVWM, that it doesn't show that little
> spin control there?
>
> I just tried it again in both programs to be certain. There is nothing
> there, and no matter what I point and click on, there is nothing that
> will change the order of the directories and files.
>
> I have no idea what file manager they use.
>
> I have tried  aptitude search file-manager and aptitude search
> filemanager and apt policy filemanager and many others ways including
> which filemanager and all different ways of speling.
>
> But I can't find what file managers are installed to see which one
> might be being used and need configuring. All those requests come up
> empty.
>
> I wonder how one discovers what file managers there are installed on
> this system. I suppose have to name each one and see which are installed
> that way.
>
> No joy yet.
>
> Thank you for your reply.
> Charlie

On my system here is also a configuration option in the opening dialog of kate 
next to the field where the directory is shown. There, in a submenu, I can 
choose that directories be shown first. Also, with F12 as a hotkey, directories 
will be shown in a separate area of the open file dialog.

Hope, this helps
Stefan

Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

[David Wright]

On Tue 29 May 2018 at 22:27:43 (+1000), Charlie S wrote:
> On Tue, 29 May 2018 11:51:31 +0200 Siard sent:
> 
> > > But when I go Ctrl-O when in Kate or Lyx the order is reversed.  
> > 
> > I tried Kate. To reverse the order, click the 'Name' header.
> > Note the small black triangle at the right side of the header
> > pointing up or down.
> 
>   After contemplation, my reply is:
> 
> Thank you Siard.
> 
> It must be an idiosyncrasy of FVWM, that it doesn't show that little
> spin control there?

AFAIK fvwm manages windows, not their contents.

> I just tried it again in both programs to be certain. There is nothing
> there, and no matter what I point and click on, there is nothing that
> will change the order of the directories and files.
> 
> I have no idea what file manager they use.

AFAIK that doesn't matter. I get the impression that you're battling
with the toolkit rather than any particular file manager.

Which toolkit you see depends on what the application has been linked
with. For example, most that I use are linked against gtk3, so when I
click and hold in a scroll bar, the oval "thumb" moves to that point,
stays there, and can be dragged while the button is held down.

OTOH xournal, for example, is linked against gtk2 and the thumb is
rectangular. When you click below it, the thumb moves down only by a
predictable distance; when the button is held down, this small
movement gets auto-repeated. You also get the arrows at either end
of the scrollbar.

I have noticed that when you open the latter dialog box, the files
are unsorted and "Name" has no arrow. Click on Name, however, and
the files sort into alphabetical order and the little triangular
arrow appears and can be reversed.

AIUI you're at the mercy of the toolkit for much of the look-and-feel
of what is contained within the windows that different window managers
and applications display.

> I have tried  aptitude search file-manager and aptitude search
> filemanager and apt policy filemanager and many others ways including
> which filemanager and all different ways of speling.
> 
> But I can't find what file managers are installed to see which one
> might be being used and need configuring. All those requests come up
> empty.
> 
> I wonder how one discovers what file managers there are installed on
> this system. I suppose have to name each one and see which are installed
> that way.

Cheers,
David.

Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

[Curt]

On 2018-05-29, Charlie S  wrote:
>
> I wonder how one discovers what file managers there are installed on
> this system. I suppose have to name each one and see which are installed
> that way.

 xdg-mime query default inode/directory

works here (xdg-mime is part of xdg-utils) to discover the default file
manager on my machine.

curty@einstein:~$ xdg-mime query default inode/directory
pcmanfm.desktop

Of course that wasn't the question you were asking, but it's the answer
I'm giving.

> No joy yet.
> 
> Thank you for your reply.
> Charlie


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Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

[Siard]

Charlie S wrote:
> It must be an idiosyncrasy of FVWM, that it doesn't show that little
> spin control there?
> 
> I just tried it again in both programs to be certain. There is nothing
> there, and no matter what I point and click on, there is nothing that
> will change the order of the directories and files.

Well, here's a screenshot of the 'Open' dialog of Kate in FVWM in Stretch.
I put a red line around the clickable area.
https://s15.postimg.cc/bav2blkq3/kate.jpg
If you have something different, then the reason for that is beyond me.
But as far as I'm aware of, it has nothing to do with file managers.

Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

[Charlie S]

On Tue, 29 May 2018 11:51:31 +0200 Siard sent:

> > But when I go Ctrl-O when in Kate or Lyx the order is reversed.  
> 
> I tried Kate. To reverse the order, click the 'Name' header.
> Note the small black triangle at the right side of the header
> pointing up or down.

After contemplation, my reply is:

Thank you Siard.

It must be an idiosyncrasy of FVWM, that it doesn't show that little
spin control there?

I just tried it again in both programs to be certain. There is nothing
there, and no matter what I point and click on, there is nothing that
will change the order of the directories and files.

I have no idea what file manager they use.

I have tried  aptitude search file-manager and aptitude search
filemanager and apt policy filemanager and many others ways including
which filemanager and all different ways of speling.

But I can't find what file managers are installed to see which one
might be being used and need configuring. All those requests come up
empty.

I wonder how one discovers what file managers there are installed on
this system. I suppose have to name each one and see which are installed
that way.

No joy yet.

Thank you for your reply.
Charlie
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Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

[Siard]

Charlie S wrote:
> But when I go Ctrl-O when in Kate or Lyx the order is reversed.

I tried Kate. To reverse the order, click the 'Name' header.
Note the small black triangle at the right side of the header
pointing up or down.

Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

[Charlie S]

On Tue, 29 May 2018 13:26:37 +1200 Ben Caradoc-Davies sent:

> On 29/05/18 13:08, Charlie S wrote:
> > Hello Everyone,
> > Suddenly my file managers show the files in reverse order to
> > the norm, i.e directories on top and individual files
> > beneath. Don't know how it was accidentally done?
> > Using FVWM - Debian Stretch
> > Any clues where I might configure this to return it to what is was
> > would be appreciated.
> > TIA
> > Charlie  
> 
> Which file manager are you using? Thunar (the default for Xfce) has a 
> checkbox option Edit / Preferences / Display / "Sort folders before
> files".
> 
> Thunar also allows you to change the sort order by toggling the "\/" 
> (descending) or "/\" (ascending) at the end of the column heading
> label, but I think your problem is more like that fixed by the
> checkbox above.
> 

Thanks for your prompt answer Ben. I use MC and that's fine. 

But when I go Ctrl-O when in Kate or Lyx the order is reversed. Can't
get an answer from the Lyx list. It must be a file manager accessed by
these two.

Libreoffice and Okular don't reverse the order.

When the window opens there is no option other than list view - detail
view or new folder. Very sparse.

I might have to set the file-manager in my profile or .bashrc, but
don't know the way to do that.

Thank You,
Charlie

After contemplation, my reply is:

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Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

On 29/05/18 13:08, Charlie S wrote:

Hello Everyone,
Suddenly my file managers show the files in reverse order to
the norm, i.e directories on top and individual files beneath.
Don't know how it was accidentally done?
Using FVWM - Debian Stretch
Any clues where I might configure this to return it to what is was
would be appreciated.
TIA
Charlie


Which file manager are you using? Thunar (the default for Xfce) has a 
checkbox option Edit / Preferences / Display / "Sort folders before files".


Thunar also allows you to change the sort order by toggling the "\/" 
(descending) or "/\" (ascending) at the end of the column heading label, 
but I think your problem is more like that fixed by the checkbox above.


Kind regards,

--
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Director
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

Re: File managers that support SFTP and don't mangle timestamps?

[Dotan Cohen]

2009/12/8 Camaleón :
> On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:01:40 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
>> Are there any KDE file managers, or other file managers that support
>> SFTP and work decently in a KDE environment, that do not suffer from
>> this bug:
>> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55804
>>
>> The bug is that Dolphin / Konqueror incorrectly change the timestamp of
>> files copied and moved. This is proving to be a showstopper bug for a
>> project that I am participating in. It has also been driving me
>> personally mad for years. Thanks in advance for any ideas.
>
> I guess "krusader" [1] will suffer the same fault as konqueror because it
> makes use of kio slaves, but dunno :-?
>
> An how about using a dedicated (s)ftp client?
>
> FileZilla works nice.
>
> A very extensive list can be found here [2]
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krusader
> [2] 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_FTP_client_software#Protocol_support
>

Sorry for the late reply. Krusader suffers from the same bug as
Dolphin and Konqueror. Nautilus works great!

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Re: File managers that support SFTP and don't mangle timestamps?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:01:40 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:

> Are there any KDE file managers, or other file managers that support
> SFTP and work decently in a KDE environment, that do not suffer from
> this bug:
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55804
> 
> The bug is that Dolphin / Konqueror incorrectly change the timestamp of
> files copied and moved. This is proving to be a showstopper bug for a
> project that I am participating in. It has also been driving me
> personally mad for years. Thanks in advance for any ideas.

I guess "krusader" [1] will suffer the same fault as konqueror because it 
makes use of kio slaves, but dunno :-?

An how about using a dedicated (s)ftp client? 

FileZilla works nice.

A very extensive list can be found here [2]

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krusader
[2] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_FTP_client_software#Protocol_support

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Re: File managers that support SFTP and don't mangle timestamps?

[Celejar]

On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:01:40 +0200
Dotan Cohen  wrote:

> Are there any KDE file managers, or other file managers that support
> SFTP and work decently in a KDE environment, that do not suffer from
> this bug:
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55804
> 
> The bug is that Dolphin / Konqueror incorrectly change the timestamp
> of files copied and moved. This is proving to be a showstopper bug for
> a project that I am participating in. It has also been driving me
> personally mad for years. Thanks in advance for any ideas.

I don't have much (any?) experience with it, but mc apparently supports
FISH, which can manage ssh.  I'm not sure if that's included in "work
decently in a KDE environment" ;)

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Re: file managers

[Harrison, Shawn]

"tkdesk does not  conform to X11 ... and cannot be restored at the next 
session"

What does it mean ??


It conforms just fine to X11, it doesn't employ KDE's session management. 
That's all it's saying -- a harmless message (and plug for you to switch 
to KDE apps, of course).

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Re: file managers

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>
>So, anyone wanna chime in with why they like their favorite file managers
>(under X)?  I'm on the lookout for the cream of the crop.  I hate to say it,
>but the Winblows team has a good file manager, and I'd like similar

I like the filemanager in TkDesk.

paul

Re: file managers

[Mariano Georges]

On mar, 12 jan 1999, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
>I don't know if you've tried these or not, but the two I like are
>Midnight Commander (mc) and tkdesk.
>
>Midnight Commander (found in utils directory) runs in console mode or an
>xterm window, and tkdesk (found in x11 directory) is strictly an X
>program. 

I agree with you about tkdesk except one little detail (may be I missed
something), when logging out from KDE, it says that
"tkdesk does not  conform to X11 ... and cannot be restored at the next session"

What does it mean ??
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Re: file managers

[Tom Pfeifer]

I don't know if you've tried these or not, but the two I like are
Midnight Commander (mc) and tkdesk.

Midnight Commander (found in utils directory) runs in console mode or an
xterm window, and tkdesk (found in x11 directory) is strictly an X
program. 

Tom

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> So, anyone wanna chime in with why they like their favorite file managers
> (under X)?  I'm on the lookout for the cream of the crop.  I hate to say it,
> but the Winblows team has a good file manager, and I'd like similar
> functionality under X.  The one I got with KDE is okay, but I detest the file
> listing on the right hand side.  I'd prefer to be able to configure what is
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> 
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Re: file managers

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In a message dated 1/11/99 7:06:12 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
net.com writes:

> BTW, the Linux Explorer has been renamed to X-Plorer (Other than linux 
>  support) and hasn't been updated in quite a long time, especially for 
>  a linux thingie. But it's a good way to ease the windows to linux process.
>  

I found it, and it's probably the one I'll use.  It's not so much the ease of
going from Windows to Linux I'm after, but I much prefer the look and feel of
the Windows explorer to most of the Linux counterparts.  Probably the two main
things I didn't like about the Linux programs were overly large buttons that
could have been made much smaller (and taken up less space) and the confusing
and cluttered file listing boxes.  I use Linux mostly on my laptop (it's the
PC I live on) and don't have a huge display.  Hence most of the file lists
showed 10 files with text wrapped all over the place.  It was ugly, and
confusing.  I know, I know - I should write my own version, but I'm not that
adept - yet.  

Thanks for the help guys.

Re: file managers

[Christian Lavoie]

> Jay,

>   If you like Windoze Explorer, try Linux Explorer (explorer).
>   They look very much alike!  :-)

BTW, the Linux Explorer has been renamed to X-Plorer (Other than linux 
support) and hasn't been updated in quite a long time, especially for 
a linux thingie. But it's a good way to ease the windows to linux process.

Christian

Re: file managers

[jpjevans]

Jay,

If you like Windoze Explorer, try Linux Explorer (explorer).
They look very much alike!  :-)


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> (under X)?  I'm on the lookout for the cream of the crop.  I hate to say it,
> but the Winblows team has a good file manager, and I'd like similar
> functionality under X.  The one I got with KDE is okay, but I detest the file
> listing on the right hand side.  I'd prefer to be able to configure what is
> displayed there, and have it print in smaller fonts as well.
> 
> Comments, sugggestions?  
> 
> Jay
> 
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Re: File managers ??............

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On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Tom Pfeifer wrote:

> I tried explorer. It runs OK, but you can't do a whole lot with it yet.
> Looks promising though.
> 
> For now, the best two I've used are Midnight Commander and the TkDesk.
> 
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Re: File managers ??............

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> Hi
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>Im wonder the power of my linux system. But Im still browsing my 
> computer only with the "ls" command. Can you people recomend me a good 
> file manager ??? 

No one mentioned offix-files. Why ? (I don't use it myself. I am just 
cuorious.)

offix-files - Drag & Drop based filemanager  
   
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Re: File managers ??............

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Try the midnight commander I think the current version is mc-4.0.5.tar.gz
or more

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Re: File managers ??............

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Tkdesk looks fine but I don't know how to get rid off of the icons menu which
appear on the left of the screen.

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Re: File managers ??............

[Tom Pfeifer]

I tried explorer. It runs OK, but you can't do a whole lot with it yet.
Looks promising though.

For now, the best two I've used are Midnight Commander and the TkDesk.

Tom

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RE: File managers ??............

[FRANCK . F . L . LEGALL]

You have got one with staroffice 4.0 (www.stardivision.com)
Another package is explorer (a win95 like). I didn't not tried it. I
think it is in
the contrib directory

Franck

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>file manager ???
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Re: File managers ??............

[Steve Lamb]

On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:41:23 PDT, phillip Neumann wrote:

>   Im wonder the power of my linux system. But Im still browsing my 
>computer only with the "ls" command. Can you people recomend me a good 
>file manager ??? 

Well, if you're used to Norton Commander from DOS there is Midnight
Commander (mc).  Quite good.


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