Re: KDE install issues

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 06:04:06PM -0700, Louis Cunningham wrote:
> I am just going to stick with Ubuntu for now, Thank you all for your help.
> This was a pain in Ubuntu too, but it's set up how I want it, one question
> though;
> I have grub running off of the Debian OS if I format it, will my system not
> boot?  How to fix this thank you.

It depends on specifically how your grub is set up, and in particular,
how it relates to your /boot partition. For specific help on this
issue, you should provide us with details of your setup: how many
disks; where the bootloader is installed; the layout of the
partitions, especially /boot, etc.

Likely, your best bet is to boot into ubuntu, re-run grob from there
to make sure it all works, and then you can do what you want with the
partitions used by debian. 

A


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Re: KDE install issues

[Louis Cunningham]

I am just going to stick with Ubuntu for now, Thank you all for your help.
This was a pain in Ubuntu too, but it's set up how I want it, one question
though;
I have grub running off of the Debian OS if I format it, will my system not
boot?  How to fix this thank you.

In our Lord Jesus Christ,
Louie Cunningham

It is for us to become holy here and now, for we cannot be certain whether
we will be here this evening.
- St. Maximillian Kolbe

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On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 16:08, Louis Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Sorry you got snipped, off, saying anything else?  I will try startx, kdm,
> and X-configure as root, (su -c "startx" etc), and then will get back.
>
> In our Lord Jesus Christ,
> Louie Cunningham
>
> It is for us to become holy here and now, for we cannot be certain whether
> we will be here this evening.
> - St. Maximillian Kolbe
>
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>
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 15:58, Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 15:34 -0700, Louis Cunningham wrote:
>> > Tried Kent's way, and no go.  KDM does start up, it says so and
>> > whenever i type it in in tty it gives back no errors, however whenever
>> > I type in startx, it cannot be found.  is it possible that KDM is
>> > starting on my other video port, ie the one that is built into the
>> > motherboard?
>> >
>> Another thought:  You said nothing about (as root) X -configure
>>
>> SNIP
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>>
>
> I

Re: KDE install issues

[Louis Cunningham]

Sorry you got snipped, off, saying anything else?  I will try startx, kdm,
and X-configure as root, (su -c "startx" etc), and then will get back.

In our Lord Jesus Christ,
Louie Cunningham

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we will be here this evening.
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On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 15:58, Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 15:34 -0700, Louis Cunningham wrote:
> > Tried Kent's way, and no go.  KDM does start up, it says so and
> > whenever i type it in in tty it gives back no errors, however whenever
> > I type in startx, it cannot be found.  is it possible that KDM is
> > starting on my other video port, ie the one that is built into the
> > motherboard?
> >
> Another thought:  You said nothing about (as root) X -configure
>
> SNIP
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Re: KDE install issues

[Damon L. Chesser]

On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 15:34 -0700, Louis Cunningham wrote:
> Tried Kent's way, and no go.  KDM does start up, it says so and
> whenever i type it in in tty it gives back no errors, however whenever
> I type in startx, it cannot be found.  is it possible that KDM is
> starting on my other video port, ie the one that is built into the
> motherboard?
> 
Another thought:  You said nothing about (as root) X -configure

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Re: KDE install issues

[Damon L. Chesser]

On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 15:34 -0700, Louis Cunningham wrote:
> Tried Kent's way, and no go.  KDM does start up, it says so and
> whenever i type it in in tty it gives back no errors, however whenever
> I type in startx, it cannot be found.  is it possible that KDM is
> starting on my other video port, ie the one that is built into the
> motherboard?

Are you doing startx or kdm as root?  Users will not be able, out of the
box to do either of these.  If the answer is "yes" and startx issues
command not found, you simply don't have X installed.
> 
SNIP
> 
> 
> 
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Re: KDE install issues

[Louis Cunningham]

Tried Kent's way, and no go.  KDM does start up, it says so and whenever i
type it in in tty it gives back no errors, however whenever I type in
startx, it cannot be found.  is it possible that KDM is starting on my other
video port, ie the one that is built into the motherboard?

In our Lord Jesus Christ,
Louie Cunningham

It is for us to become holy here and now, for we cannot be certain whether
we will be here this evening.
- St. Maximillian Kolbe

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On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 07:43, Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 10:32 -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> Snip
> >
> > You can not stop that.  This is the current correct behavior.  The
> > xorg.conf reconfiguration you expect is "old school" and now your X
> > would probably start with out even an xorg.conf file.  You could try
> > xorg -configure and see if that gives you a working video display.  If
> > it does, it will save a config file in /root.  You could then try that
> > file out like this: xorg -config /root/file. if it works, copy it
> > to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
>
> My mistake:  you need to run this:  X -configure then X
> --config /root/filename
>
> If you get an grey screen with an "x" in it that moves with your mouse,
> your X is configured.  Copy the file to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and test, if
> the problem remains, your problem will then be in the window manger
> configuration
> >
> > For an explanation of what is current in xorg.conf see this page:
> >
> > http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12  A good read on what is
> > current. The method you expect to see is the "old way", the way we
> > learned, but is now defunct.
> >
> > HTH
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Re: KDE install issues

[Damon L. Chesser]

On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 10:32 -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
Snip
> 
> You can not stop that.  This is the current correct behavior.  The
> xorg.conf reconfiguration you expect is "old school" and now your X
> would probably start with out even an xorg.conf file.  You could try
> xorg -configure and see if that gives you a working video display.  If
> it does, it will save a config file in /root.  You could then try that
> file out like this: xorg -config /root/file. if it works, copy it
> to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.

My mistake:  you need to run this:  X -configure then X
--config /root/filename

If you get an grey screen with an "x" in it that moves with your mouse,
your X is configured.  Copy the file to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and test, if
the problem remains, your problem will then be in the window manger
configuration
> 
> For an explanation of what is current in xorg.conf see this page:
> 
> http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12  A good read on what is
> current. The method you expect to see is the "old way", the way we
> learned, but is now defunct.
> 
> HTH
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Re: KDE install issues

[Damon L. Chesser]

On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 17:19 -0500, Kent West wrote:
> Louis Cunningham wrote:
> > Kent,
> 
> Let me encourage you to keep the posts on the mailing list:
>  1) others can provide input (and you need their input, 'cause I'm 
> pretty limited in my ability to help),
>  2) others can benefit from monitoring the conversation, and
>  3) the information thus gets archived and becomes searchable
> 
> > When I ran su  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it cuts out half way 
> > through the reconfigure, not allowing me to finish the reconfigure, 
> > and stopping me after keyboard, how can i fix that?
> 
I have sent this twice and have not seen it come through yet.  So, at
the risk of spam, here it is again.

You can not stop that.  This is the current correct behavior.  The
xorg.conf reconfiguration you expect is "old school" and now your X
would probably start with out even an xorg.conf file.  You could try
xorg -configure and see if that gives you a working video display.  If
it does, it will save a config file in /root.  You could then try that
file out like this: xorg -config /root/file. if it works, copy it
to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.

For an explanation of what is current in xorg.conf see this page:

http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12  A good read on what is
current. The method you expect to see is the "old way", the way we
learned, but is now defunct.

HTH
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Re: KDE install issues

[Kent West]

Louis Cunningham wrote:
I'll try out vesa,  and I have a ubuntu xorg.conf, but even when I put 
that in, it failed :\, i also don't have internet, so that puts 
anything but, well kde out of the picture for now, but i'll work on 
that later.  so how can I go around using vesa?  because nothing seems 
to working (that is other than my ubuntu os :))


Actually, you can take KDE out of the picture, but at the expense of 
being very minimalistic. Create a file in your home directory named 
".xinitrc" and in it put the single line "xterm". Now, next time you run 
"startx", you'll get X with nothing more than a single xterm window. 
Typing "exit" in that window will shut down X.


Manually edit your xorg.conf file, adding the following change to the 
specified section:


Section "Device"
   Identifier"Configured Video Device"
   Driver "vesa"
EndSection


Create the .xinitrc file, and then run "startx", and let us know what 
happens.



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Re: KDE install issues

[Louis Cunningham]

I'll try out vesa,  and I have a ubuntu xorg.conf, but even when I put that
in, it failed :\, i also don't have internet, so that puts anything but,
well kde out of the picture for now, but i'll work on that later.  so how
can I go around using vesa?  because nothing seems to working (that is other
than my ubuntu os :))

In our Lord Jesus Christ,
Louie Cunningham

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On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 20:17, Mumia W.. <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
wrote:

> On 06/10/2008 05:24 PM, Louis Cunningham wrote:
>
>> What happens is that the reconfigure will run, and then it will just stop
>> abnormally.  It is like the program is done, but it is not because I never
>> get to set my screen or video card etc.  This leaves my xorg.conf looking
>> like this:
>>
>> # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file)
>> #
>> # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool,
>> using
>> # values from the debconf database.
>> # [...]
>>
>
> You didn't say what distribution you are using, but I'd guess it's
> something later than Debian Etch.
>
> For Lenny, Sid or Ubuntu Hardy, your xorg.conf looks about right.
> Unfortunate design decisions have resulted in "dpkg-reconfigure
> xserver-xorg" not doing very much these days.
>
> It's almost certain that you'll have to do some manual configuration in
> xorg.conf. If you have a good xorg.conf from elsewhere (Etch?), you can
> probably use it. If that doesn't work, read "man xorg.conf" and see if you
> can adjust things to get it working.
>
> I'm sure that a few of the hundreds of people on this mailing list will be
> able to offer you example xorg.conf files if that's what you need. (E-mail
> me if you want my Ubuntu xorg.conf.)
>
> I recommend using the "vesa" driver until you know you've gotten Xorg to
> work. What I've done in the past is to install a lightweight window manager
> such as fluxbox and to use startx as a regular user--just to test that Xorg
> is working:
>
> $ startx /usr/bin/fluxbox
>
> Fluxbox is pretty minimalistic; don't expect lots of flash and dash, but
> it's very fast and demands so little of the system that, if it fails, it's
> almost certainly an Xorg problem--not fluxbox.
>
> I might also suggest that you install IceWM, but IceWM has such a perfect
> balance of features and footprint that you'll probably never go back! That's
> what happened to me ;-)
>
>
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Re: KDE install issues

[Mumia W..]

On 06/10/2008 05:24 PM, Louis Cunningham wrote:

What happens is that the reconfigure will run, and then it will just stop
abnormally.  It is like the program is done, but it is not because I never
get to set my screen or video card etc.  This leaves my xorg.conf looking
like this:

# xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
# [...]


You didn't say what distribution you are using, but I'd guess it's 
something later than Debian Etch.


For Lenny, Sid or Ubuntu Hardy, your xorg.conf looks about right. 
Unfortunate design decisions have resulted in "dpkg-reconfigure 
xserver-xorg" not doing very much these days.


It's almost certain that you'll have to do some manual configuration in 
xorg.conf. If you have a good xorg.conf from elsewhere (Etch?), you can 
probably use it. If that doesn't work, read "man xorg.conf" and see if 
you can adjust things to get it working.


I'm sure that a few of the hundreds of people on this mailing list will 
be able to offer you example xorg.conf files if that's what you need. 
(E-mail me if you want my Ubuntu xorg.conf.)


I recommend using the "vesa" driver until you know you've gotten Xorg to 
work. What I've done in the past is to install a lightweight window 
manager such as fluxbox and to use startx as a regular user--just to 
test that Xorg is working:


$ startx /usr/bin/fluxbox

Fluxbox is pretty minimalistic; don't expect lots of flash and dash, but 
it's very fast and demands so little of the system that, if it fails, 
it's almost certainly an Xorg problem--not fluxbox.


I might also suggest that you install IceWM, but IceWM has such a 
perfect balance of features and footprint that you'll probably never go 
back! That's what happened to me ;-)



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Re: KDE install issues

[Kent West]

Louis Cunningham wrote:
What happens is that the reconfigure will run, and then it will just 
stop abnormally.  It is like the program is done, but it is not 
because I never get to set my screen or video card etc.  This leaves 
my xorg.conf looking like this:


# xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, 
using

# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page.
# (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades 
*only*

# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically 
updated

# again, run the following command:
#   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier"Generic Keyboard"
Driver"kbd"
Option"XkbRules""xorg"
Option"XkbModel""pc104"
Option"XkbLayout""us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier"Configured Mouse"
Driver"mouse"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier"Configured Video Device"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier"Configured Monitor"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier"Default Screen"
Monitor"Configured Monitor"
EndSection




 Which is obviously incomplete.


I believe I'd try the -phigh option (see line above). If that doesn't 
work, I'd just start over with a new file by moving this one out of the 
way, and then running "X -configure" which will create a new xorg.conf 
file in your home directory (or in the directory you're currently in, I 
forget which). The output will tell you how to test it, or just go ahead 
and move it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then "startx" or 
"/etc/init.d/[x|k|w|g]dm restart" to test it.


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Re: KDE install issues

[Louis Cunningham]

What happens is that the reconfigure will run, and then it will just stop
abnormally.  It is like the program is done, but it is not because I never
get to set my screen or video card etc.  This leaves my xorg.conf looking
like this:

# xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page.
# (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command:
#   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier"Generic Keyboard"
Driver"kbd"
Option"XkbRules""xorg"
Option"XkbModel""pc104"
Option"XkbLayout""us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier"Configured Mouse"
Driver"mouse"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier"Configured Video Device"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier"Configured Monitor"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier"Default Screen"
Monitor"Configured Monitor"
EndSection




 Which is obviously incomplete.
Thanks for the help.

In our Lord Jesus Christ,
Louie Cunningham

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we will be here this evening.
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On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 15:19, Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Louis Cunningham wrote:
>
>> Kent,
>>
>
> Let me encourage you to keep the posts on the mailing list:
> 1) others can provide input (and you need their input, 'cause I'm pretty
> limited in my ability to help),
> 2) others can benefit from monitoring the conversation, and
> 3) the information thus gets archived and becomes searchable
>
>  When I ran su  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it cuts out half way through
>> the reconfigure, not allowing me to finish the reconfigure, and stopping me
>> after keyboard, how can i fix that?
>>
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "cuts out". Do you mean the program freezes,
> or terminates normally, or terminates abnormally, or what?
>
> You may have to do something like dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg;
> others might have better suggestions.
>
>
> (Original emails below)
>
>
>  On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:29, Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>
>>Louis Cunningham wrote:
>>
>>   I just installed Debian KDE on my computer, however I am on
>>wifi, and I cannot get the Nvidia drivers off of the internet.
>> Right now, I can boot into KDE, with the gui, but apart from
>>that there are no icons, and everytime I left click, I get a
>>teale colored menu box.  I know that I am doing something
>>wrong, and would love help.  Any other information needed I am
>>glad to supply.
>>
>>
>>It sounds like either you have an incomplete installation of KDE,
>>or file/permissions corruption, or most-likely, video driver
>>issues. I'd change my video driver to nv or to vesa, whichever
>>gives the best results. You can do this in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
>>file.
>>
>>
>
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Re: KDE install issues

[Kent West]

Louis Cunningham wrote:

Kent,


Let me encourage you to keep the posts on the mailing list:
1) others can provide input (and you need their input, 'cause I'm 
pretty limited in my ability to help),

2) others can benefit from monitoring the conversation, and
3) the information thus gets archived and becomes searchable

When I ran su  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it cuts out half way 
through the reconfigure, not allowing me to finish the reconfigure, 
and stopping me after keyboard, how can i fix that?


I'm not sure what you mean by "cuts out". Do you mean the program 
freezes, or terminates normally, or terminates abnormally, or what?


You may have to do something like dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg; 
others might have better suggestions.



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On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:29, Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Louis Cunningham wrote:

   I just installed Debian KDE on my computer, however I am on
wifi, and I cannot get the Nvidia drivers off of the internet.
 Right now, I can boot into KDE, with the gui, but apart from
that there are no icons, and everytime I left click, I get a
teale colored menu box.  I know that I am doing something
wrong, and would love help.  Any other information needed I am
glad to supply.


It sounds like either you have an incomplete installation of KDE,
or file/permissions corruption, or most-likely, video driver
issues. I'd change my video driver to nv or to vesa, whichever
gives the best results. You can do this in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
file.




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Re: KDE install issues

[Kent West]

Louis Cunningham wrote:
I just installed Debian KDE on my computer, however I am on wifi, 
and I cannot get the Nvidia drivers off of the internet.  Right now, I 
can boot into KDE, with the gui, but apart from that there are no 
icons, and everytime I left click, I get a teale colored menu box.  I 
know that I am doing something wrong, and would love help.  Any other 
information needed I am glad to supply. 


It sounds like either you have an incomplete installation of KDE, or 
file/permissions corruption, or most-likely, video driver issues. I'd 
change my video driver to nv or to vesa, whichever gives the best 
results. You can do this in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.


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Re: KDE install issues

[Louis Cunningham]

>
>   Hello,
> I just installed Debian KDE on my computer, however I am on wifi, and I
> cannot get the Nvidia drivers off of the internet.  Right now, I can boot
> into KDE, with the gui, but apart from that there are no icons, and
> everytime I left click, I get a teale colored menu box.  I know that I am
> doing something wrong, and would love help.  Any other information needed I
> am glad to supply.  Thank you in advanced.
>
> In our Lord Jesus Christ,
> Louie Cunningham
>
> It is for us to become holy here and now, for we cannot be certain whether
> we will be here this evening.
> - St. Maximillian Kolbe
>
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>