Re: Motif
Em Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:17:22 -0200, Adriano Brand escreveu: oq eu instalo? lesstif? -- Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra [EMAIL PROTECTED] +55 (11) 5685 2219 +55 (11) 5686 9607 +55 (11) 9406 7191
Re: Motif and GTK menu font sizes?
On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 16:14:08 -0400, Samuel Hathaway wrote: Hello, I'm trying to run a bare-bones twm X desktop without dealing with gnome or kde, but i'm not too familiar with how to tweak my settings. I'm running the SVGA server at 1024x768 on a 15 monitor. the problem that i'm currently having is that the font sizes for Motif menu bars (like in netscape) and GTK interfaces (like in gnome-apt) are too huge. xterm and other really simple X clients are fine. Is there a way to tell Motif or GTK to be smaller, or is there a global setting that they use? i tried playing with the -dpi switch, but it didn't make any difference in the font sizes. I had a similar problem. Try removing the xfonts-100dpi package (it seems the dpi value isn't honoured anymore - dunno why). If this doesn't help, you can try tweaking X Resources. The XWindow-User-HOWTO (install doc-linux-text or dox-linux-html) has a good explanation of what's involved. Regards, Bjoern -- Bjorn Brill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frankfurt am Main, Germany
Re: motif qt and gtk
I haven't used them myself, but they exist, according to www.gtk.org. On 18-Oct-99 zhaoway wrote: Bryan Scaringe wrote: Just to clarify: GTK is C based, but language bindings/wrappers exist for several languages (check http://www.gnome.org) , including C++. The C++ wrapper is called GTK--. What 'bout the Perl/Python Gtk/Tk/Qt/KDE bindings? Just curious. I use Perl/Tk to develope small GUI programs for personal amusement. -- zhaoway -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: motif qt and gtk
Bryan Scaringe wrote: Just to clarify: GTK is C based, but language bindings/wrappers exist for several languages (check http://www.gnome.org) , including C++. The C++ wrapper is called GTK--. What 'bout the Perl/Python Gtk/Tk/Qt/KDE bindings? Just curious. I use Perl/Tk to develope small GUI programs for personal amusement. -- zhaoway
Re: motif qt and gtk
Just to clarify: GTK is C based, but language bindings/wrappers exist for several languages (check http://www.gnome.org) , including C++. The C++ wrapper is called GTK--. Bryan On 17-Oct-99 Salman Ahmed wrote: MF == Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MF I am looking to start some graphic programing and the folowing MF toolkits are those that look most apropraite for serious user MF interfaces and graphics. I was wondering how apropriate each of MF them is for writing serious programs, and if anyone can give me a MF comparison, or point me to information concerning the abeality of MF each of them. Any recomendations of where to start? Thanx MF [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is kinda off-topic, but I would recommend either Qt or Gtk. Motif is IMO an old toolkit now. Qt and Gtk offer more features than Motif does. Development tools (GUI Builders) for Qt and Gtk are freely available. The really good Motif GUI builders are not freely available, and they cost quite a bit. Also, Qt is a C++ based object-oriented toolkit. Motif is C based. Not sure about Gtk, but I think that Gtk+ is also C++ based. Bottom line IMO is: forget about Motif, take a good look at Qt and/or Gtk/Gtk+. Check out freshmeat.net for Qt/Gtk/Gtk+ development tools. IIRC, currently there aren't any Qt development tools/gui builders in Debian. -- Salman Ahmed ssahmed AT interlog DOT com -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
RE: Motif Software
On 05-Oct-99 Rik Burt wrote: Where can I find the Motif software. I am aware that it is a commercial product but I don't know where to look for it. I am interested because the Netscape pkg that dselect has requires it for certain versions of netscape. It is not in Debian. You must go buy it first. That said, just use the smotif packages. It is not worth dealing with Motif for. Rumor also has it that the dmotif packages can work with the new lesstif.
Re: Motif Software
On Tue, Oct 05, 1999 at 01:58:36PM -0700, Rik Burt wrote: Where can I find the Motif software. I am aware that it is a commercial product but I don't know where to look for it. I am interested because the Netscape pkg that dselect has requires it for certain versions of netscape. You can get a list of available commercial third party vendors of motif on http://www.rahul.net/kenton/GettingMotif.html. Just for ref, Metro Link motif 2.1 is currently priced at $149. A free clone of Motif, LessTif, is available as a debian package and on www.lesstif.org. The dynamically linked version of netscape does not really work correctly with it, however. You can always get a statically netscape which will work correctly and save you some bucks, but it will be bigger... -Lex pgps56Os99Ug1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Motif headers?
On Fri, May 07, 1999 at 18:01:39 +0200, Stefano Stabilini wrote: Is there something like a free runtime version of Motif around? No. For commercial Motif versions, you need to pay money for using the shared lib. Would Lesstif just do fine? That depends on the Motif version the code expects. It's certainly worth a try. HTH, Ray -- Tevens ben ik van mening dat Nederland overdekt dient te worden.
Re: Motif?
Ok, I'm going to thoroughly expose my ignorance of all things X Motif... I'm taking a class on Motif programming and thought I could use my Linux machine at home to compile the code...no go, obviously. So I guess I'm wondering - is Motif thoroughly un-free? I attempted to go to their website (why would someone call themselves Open Software Foundation yet sell Motif for such huge fees?) but didn't understand price schedules at all...so, how the heck does this whole thing work? Also, is lesstif usable yet or am I stuck compiling on my school's server? Motif is a true commercial product. You can get Motif for Linux for about $100 (www.metrolink.com is one of the vendors). Lesstif is probably not a good thing to learn Motif with. Behavior of XmForm is confusing enough by itself, Lesstif still has a LOT of problems with this widget. Alex Y. -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ +---+ | _ 7 |Alexander Yukhimets| \()| http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | / \ \ +---+
Re: motif debian
which motif do you have? i converted metrolink motif 2.1 into a deb package. i converted the rpm to deb using alien -d -g -c -g creates a directory to unpack the rpm, -c tries to convert the installation scripts. i then moved the files around to have them conform as much as possible with the debian structure. i can make the diffs available if you are interested (the contents of the debian control directory). --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. |
Re: motif debian
i have motif2.01, and i used alien --deb , and installed the .deb result. After i tried to lounch mwm and get a segmantation fault!!! i tried again with an other file from the motif package and got the same thing!! the motif package was first in rpm format, after converting it, i uninstalled lesstif , and installed motif i got the result i told you, second try: i installed lesstif again , and installed motif after, and i got the same result! would you please tell what is your explanation of what hapenned? and tell me how you installed it thanks which motif do you have? i converted metrolink motif 2.1 into a deb package. i converted the rpm to deb using alien -d -g -c -g creates a directory to unpack the rpm, -c tries to convert the installation scripts. i then moved the files around to have them conform as much as possible with the debian structure. i can make the diffs available if you are interested (the contents of the debian control directory). --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. |
Re: motif debian
i have motif2.01, and i used alien --deb , and installed the .deb result. After i tried to lounch mwm and get a segmantation fault!!! i tried again with an other file from the motif package and got the same thing!! the motif package was first in rpm format, after converting it, i uninstalled lesstif , and installed motif i got the result i told you, second try: i installed lesstif again , and installed motif after, and i got the same result! would you please tell what is your explanation of what hapenned? and tell me how you installed it thanks The thing is your Motif 2.0.1 is libc5-based library while your system is probably Debian 2.0 which is libc6 (glibc2) - based. You should install libc5 package along with xlib6 package (in addition to xlib6g) and try again. Unfortunately, some Motif vendors used to sell Motif 2.0.1 compiled in such a way that it would still link with libc6 even it was compiled with libc5 and libc5 is present on the system. I cannot imagine anything would help in this case. Ask your vendor for an upgrade to Motif 2.1 (libc6-based version). This should be fairly cheap. I myself _never_ paid the full price for my motif (Used some trade-in option) and since the first purchase I keep getting upgrades basically for free. Alex Y. -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ +---+ | _ 7 |Alexander Yukhimets| \()| http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | / \ \ +---+
Re: Motif on Hamm??
What are people using for Motif on glibc systems? Motif Complete! from Metro Link Inc. (www.metrolink.com) is an EXCELLENT product. Great documentation, possibility for multi-version development environments, latest versions, customized winow manager, etc. Alex Y. -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ +---+ | _ 7 |Alexander Yukhimets| \()| http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | / \ \ +---+
Re: Motif
Hi, What versions of MOTIF will work with Debian 2.0? Can't help you with Motif. Have you considered the LessTif package? I believe that it aims for Motif 1.2 compliance. It may still be a little buggy, however. -Ossama
Re: Motif
Motif is not freeware. Lesstif is.. but you need Motif to run XMCD. There is a statically compiled version somewhere... Carroll Kong On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Helmut Leinfellner wrote: Hi ! I was trying to install XMCD and I think what I'm lacking is ... Motif. Where do I get it ? Thanks, Helmut --- Accept the challenge! http://fbma.tuwien.ac.at/~e8426331/ ... and write to me ! --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Motif
On Thu, Apr 09, 1998 at 08:00:05PM -0400, Carroll Kong wrote: Motif is not freeware. Lesstif is.. but you need Motif to run XMCD. No you don't. The xmcd package in frozen uses LessTif, not Motif. Ray -- Obsig: developing a new sig -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Motif
At 16:24 09.04.98 -0500, you wrote: On 9 Apr, Helmut Leinfellner wrote: Hi ! I was trying to install XMCD and I think what I'm lacking is ... Motif. Where do I get it ? Well since Motif libs cost about $100US you could go to your local sunsite mirror and go to the ../apps/sound/cdrom/X/ directory where there is a pre-compiled statically linked binary. This has the Motif libs built into it. I use it and it works great. Brian -- Mechanical Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis THANKS (Brian), I found it easily ! Now, how do I install it? It's called xmcd_2.0ELFStaticMotif2.0 (or kinda like this) Helmut --- Accept the challenge! http://fbma.tuwien.ac.at/~e8426331/ ... and write to me ! --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Motif
On 9 Apr, Helmut Leinfellner wrote: Hi ! I was trying to install XMCD and I think what I'm lacking is ... Motif. Where do I get it ? Well since Motif libs cost about $100US you could go to your local sunsite mirror and go to the ../apps/sound/cdrom/X/ directory where there is a pre-compiled statically linked binary. This has the Motif libs built into it. I use it and it works great. Brian -- Mechanical Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Motif] RH Motif 2.1 versus lesstif
I've used alien to convert the RPM for RH Motif 2.1 to .deb Looking at the listing for files for lesstif and RH Motif 2.1 I see that if I install RH over lesstif it will overwrite some of the files that lesstif provides. Should I just remove lesstif and go with RH Motif? Would apps like xscreensaver-dmotif work with the libs provided by RH motif? Not that fast... First of all, RH Motif 2.1 is libc6-linked. This is good, but all the -dmotif packages in the archive are linked with libc5 version of Motif 2.0. It is going to change soon and I already proposed new naming conventions for motif 2.0 and 2.1 linked packages. In the mean time I would recommend to remove lisstif and recompile packages you are interested in by yourself using your shiny Motif 2.1. Alex Y. P.S. Alex Romosan mentioned that he has an archive of already recompiled packages for Motif 2.1 -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ +---+ | _ 7 |Alexander Yukhimets| \()| http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | / \ \ +---+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Motif and lesstif coexistance?
Can RedHat motif (I used alien to convert a .rpm to .deb) co-exist with lesstif? xscreensaver installation complains that it needs lesstif. You can try... But my experience says no way. Download the source package and recompile xsceeensaver yourself (with real Motif). Alex Y. -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ +---+ | _ 7 |Alexander Yukhimets| \()| http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | / \ \ +---+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif
Thanks... , This is my output.. obviously no Motif.. Is it in a particular package? and should I have more thaa this output? Motif is not free. You can buy it from several vendors. Which puts up a question. What are people's experiences with different kind of motif distributions in combination with debian? Will the libraries coninue to work after a libc5-libc6 transition? Are there distributions with source that allow you to rebuild the libraries if this would be necessary? Eric Meijer -- E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | tel. office +31 40 2472189 Eindhoven Univ. of Technology | tel. lab. +31 40 2475032 Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (TAK) | tel. fax+31 40 2455054 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Beattie) writes: Thanks... , This is my output.. obviously no Motif.. Is it in a particular package? and should I have more thaa this output? The other way you'd know you had Motif is that your wallet would be feeling a bit lighter. :-( It's not at all free, and doesn't come with (or for?) Debian. -- Carey Evans http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/c.evans/ GNU GPL: The Source will be with you... always. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif
Thanks... , This is my output.. obviously no Motif.. Is it in a particular package? and should I have more thaa this output? Motif is not free. You can buy it from several vendors. Which puts up a question. What are people's experiences with different kind of motif distributions in combination with debian? Will the libraries coninue to Metrolink Motif 2.0.1 worked more then fine for me. Unfortunately, in libc6 system you will need to somehow reconfigure the loader to make it think that libXm.so.2 is libc5 and not libc6 linked. On the other hand, Metrolink already has libc6 (glibc2) version of Motif 2.1 for Linux. work after a libc5-libc6 transition? Are there distributions with source that allow you to rebuild the libraries if this would be necessary? Nope. Alex Y. -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ +---+ | _ 7 |Alexander Yukhimets| \()| http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | / \ \ +---+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif
Michael Beattie wrote: Okay, I agree, this is most likely a very stupid question. How can one tell if they have motif installed? # ldconfig -p | grep Xm libXmu.so.6 (ELF-libc6) = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6 libXmu.so.6 (ELF-libc5) = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libXmu.so.6 libXmu.so (ELF-libc6) = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so libXm.so.2.0.1 (ELF) = /usr/lib/libXm.so.2.0.1 libXm.so.2.0 (ELF) = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so.2.0 libXm.so.2.0 (ELF) = /usr/lib/libXm.so.2.0 libXm.so.2 (ELF) = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so.2 libXm.so.2 (ELF) = /usr/lib/libXm.so.2 libXm.so.0 (ELF-libc6) = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so.0 libXm.so.0 (ELF-libc5) = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libXm.so.0 libXm.so (ELF-libc6) = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so libXm.so (ELF) = /usr/lib/libXm.so libXm.so.2 is commercial Motif - I see it is classed as (ELF) rather than as (ELF-libc[56]) libXm.so.0 is lesstif. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif
On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Oliver Elphick wrote: Michael Beattie wrote: Okay, I agree, this is most likely a very stupid question. How can one tell if they have motif installed? # ldconfig -p | grep Xm libXmu.so.6 (ELF-libc6) = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6 libXmu.so.6 (ELF-libc5) = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libXmu.so.6 libXmu.so (ELF-libc6) = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so libXm.so.2.0.1 (ELF) = /usr/lib/libXm.so.2.0.1 libXm.so.2.0 (ELF) = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so.2.0 libXm.so.2.0 (ELF) = /usr/lib/libXm.so.2.0 libXm.so.2 (ELF) = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so.2 libXm.so.2 (ELF) = /usr/lib/libXm.so.2 libXm.so.0 (ELF-libc6) = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so.0 libXm.so.0 (ELF-libc5) = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libXm.so.0 libXm.so (ELF-libc6) = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so libXm.so (ELF) = /usr/lib/libXm.so libXm.so.2 is commercial Motif - I see it is classed as (ELF) rather than as (ELF-libc[56]) libXm.so.0 is lesstif. Thanks... , This is my output.. obviously no Motif.. Is it in a particular package? and should I have more thaa this output? # ldconfig -p | grep Xm 76 - ELF libXmu.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6 77 - ELF libXm.so.0 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so.0 Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- 42? 7 and a half million years and all you can come up with is 42?! --- Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif and libc6
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 27, Lawrence wrote I heard from the lists there is a problem compiling a Motif program with libc6. I have contacted RedHat and they said that they may release their Motif development kit compatible with libc6 very later this year. Meanwhile, is it possible to install libc6 and still able to compile Motif program? On Sep 26, Scott K. Ellis answered Yes, but not by linking them to libc6. You will need to install the altgcc and libc5-altdev packages, as well as the various other '-altdev' packages for the libraries you need (xlib6-altdev, etc.). If you're planning on upgrading (or partially upgrading) to libc6, check out my Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO which I post here about weekly and which can be found at http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/ Another possibility is not to use true Motif, but LessTif. I've did non-maintainer releases of updated LessTif packages, both for libc6 and (in the alternative locations) libc5. These appear to work quite well (or nobody is using them): I've not seen or received bug reports about them. No, because lesstif is Motif 1.2 and not 2.0 compliance. Lawrence -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif and libc6
On Sep 27, Lawrence wrote I heard from the lists there is a problem compiling a Motif program with libc6. I have contacted RedHat and they said that they may release their Motif development kit compatible with libc6 very later this year. Meanwhile, is it possible to install libc6 and still able to compile Motif program? On Sep 26, Scott K. Ellis answered Yes, but not by linking them to libc6. You will need to install the altgcc and libc5-altdev packages, as well as the various other '-altdev' packages for the libraries you need (xlib6-altdev, etc.). If you're planning on upgrading (or partially upgrading) to libc6, check out my Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO which I post here about weekly and which can be found at http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/ Another possibility is not to use true Motif, but LessTif. I've did non-maintainer releases of updated LessTif packages, both for libc6 and (in the alternative locations) libc5. These appear to work quite well (or nobody is using them): I've not seen or received bug reports about them. Ray -- UNFAIR Term applied to advantages enjoyed by other people which we tried to cheat them out of and didn't manage. See also DISHONESTY, SNEAKY, UNDERHAND and JUST LUCKY I GUESS. - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif and libc6
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 27 Sep 1997, Lawrence wrote: I heard from the lists there is a problem compiling a Motif program with libc6. I have contacted RedHat and they said that they may release their Motif development kit compatible with libc6 very later this year. Meanwhile, is it possible to install libc6 and still able to compile Motif program? Yes, but not by linking them to libc6. You will need to install the altgcc and libc5-altdev packages, as well as the various other '-altdev' packages for the libraries you need (xlib6-altdev, etc.). If you're planning on upgrading (or partially upgrading) to libc6, check out my Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO which I post here about weekly and which can be found at http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/ - -- |If you will practice being fictional for a while, Scott K. Ellis|you will understand that fictional [EMAIL PROTECTED]| characters are sometimes more real than |people with bodies and heartbeats. | -- Illusions -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNCxj1KCk2fENdzpVAQHO0gP/dsFXfVWiuv7NvL1zo+bxtamz24J00ux1 s0PvRKcGaXh4ic1e6BeDBmMvSOYDzl9O1x6H/x2B9PLP97A0/ln+75fr/Ne1KmJE tjGNqkUUAXs0YbNwXCGCNEgXeilD56GXZLQICSRAb8kxc6y8rpCevZrttCc6J8ap /Bi7KSPNCkA= =muNp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif
On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Lawrence wrote: Anyone know who is selling the Motif 2.0.1 in .deb package? Lawrence -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . No one that I know: I'm using SWiM _fairly_ successfully. Steve Dunham wrote a package to turn this into a .deb although this is probably very unofficial and in no way supported. LSL allowed me to download this once I'd convinced them I was a SWiM licence holder but it may well have been withdrawn from their ftp site - I was an alpha tester. Recommendations I had when I outlined some trouble I was having were to use Mootif or to take advantage of a competitive upgrade price. Motif 2.1 and CDE have both been announced by ?? The Open Group ?? as new releases: it may be better to wait until these are available. Motif is very much a commercial product - a full source licence costs $40,000 or so - paying a couple of hundred dollars for libraries and mwm seems quite reasonable ! Andy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif programming blues
Can anyone tell me why the following code (in attachments) doesn't work, or point to me someplace that describes in DETAIL the XmLabelWidget class? The lesstif docs describe functions fine, but precious little in the way of the widgets and gadgets. Problem: you give memo no arguments, you get a blank box. Give it arguments, the label text is msg, not the arguments you gave it. I typed this verbatim (minus some syntactical differences, like ANSI-style function headers instead of KR, and moved a variable declaration to the top of the function instead of in the middle) from Douglas A. Young's The X Window System Programming and Applications with Xt: OSF/Motif Edition. I figure this qualifies as fair use since the damn code doesn't work. There is nothing wrong with the codes. I have also compiled the program with Motif 2.0 and the program runs correctly. This is simple program and should run just as well under Motif 1.2 which Lesstif hopes to compatibile with. I have used Lesstif 0.8 before and I do noticed hiccups here and there (widgets losing their positions, program crashing etc). The same program however, works find when compiled with Motif 1.2. If this problem you are referring is a bug then it is a minor one. Maybe you can try setting the label text after the widget is created(XtCreateManagedWidget) as opposed to during it's creation. Jason -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif for Linux..
Hello all! I'm looking at buying a copy of Motif for Linux. I've tried lesstif and unfortunately for my current needs it isn't yet stable enough (though, hopefully that will change with time). A friend of mine sent me the following information he gathered up on the web about some of the Motif packages. Just wondering if there are any suggestions, testimonies, or opinions about any of these packages in conjunction with Debian 1.3.x. They all look fairly similar to me (except that a couple also include KL Group's XRT widgets). I tried a couple of them. The best (in my opinion) is Metrolink Motif. RedHat sells exactly the same copy of Metrolink one (that's why they both come with XRT PDS). Cost $199.00 from Metrolink and cheaper from RedHat. (There is a trick to get Metrolink Motif for only $79, so called competitive trade-in, check their homepage). Xi Graphics (www.xig.com) has a decent version for less money. Infomagic is a little more buggy but cheap. Don't recommend SWIM. Good luck. Alex Y. Well, here are some links. http://www.metrolink.com/products/motif/index.html ( Metro's Motif ) which has Motif 2.0.1 Linux ELF for $199 (US) which includes KL Groups XRT widget sets (which I've used in the past and are actually quite nice widget sets for making graphs, tables, charts, etc.) and Motif 1.2.4 Linux ELF for $149 (US). http://www.xinside.com/pd/mwline.html ( Xinside Motif ) which has Motif 2.0 Linux ELF for $149.95 (I think this is Canadian $.. but, might be US $). Xi Graphics is the new name of the company. http://www.lsl.com/swim.html ( Swim Motif ) which has Motif 2.0.1 Linux ELF for $79.95 (US) and $89.95 (US) which some extra archive stuff. http://www.redhat.com/products/product-details.phtml?id=rhm ( RedHat ) which has Motif 2.0.1 Linux ELF for $149 (US) and includes KL Groups XRT widget set. http://www.infomagic.com/infomagic/2linmootiff.html which has Motif 2.0 Linux ELF for $99 (US). Any help would be appreciated! Cheers! Richard.. - Richard Dansereau Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home page: http://pobox.com/~rdanse Electrical and Computer Engineering - University of Manitoba - Canada - -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif v lesstif - was Re: Netscape Communicator 4.01b6 ...
What do you mean? Making Lesstif and Motif binary compatible? You must have OSF source for that :) I know that if someone want to sell Motif, he needs to buy the source from OSF and compile it. And if he wants to use the name Motif to sell their compilation, he needs to pay extra royalties. Well, when someone buy a compiled Motif (for about US$ 70,00), he receives a great amount of tools to develop applications with it, plus the libraries binaries. But there are *many* guys, like me, who won't use these tools. I, for example, would buy it only for the shared libraries, because with them many applications (like StarOffice) could work faster and with less memory. So, I think: US$ 70,00 is really *much* money for only one or two files. I don't want to program with Motif, nor use the Motif Window Manager for X (I use Afterstep) so, why not someone sells only the libraries? Or even best: why Linux users don't join to buy the source, compile these libraries, and distribute them for free? Maybe I'm crazy, but who knows? It's an idea... ;-) []'s Alexander Gieg =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= By: Alexander Gieg E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/3222/ IRC: AlexG =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= There will be a time in which *all* the computers in the Earth will be using Linux! Amen! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif v lesstif - was Re: Netscape Communicator 4.01b6 ...
What do you mean? Making Lesstif and Motif binary compatible? You must have OSF source for that :) I know that if someone want to sell Motif, he needs to buy the source from OSF and compile it. And if he wants to use the name Motif to sell their compilation, he needs to pay extra royalties. So, I think: US$ 70,00 is really *much* money for only one or two files. There are many more Motif applications, Debian just doesn't promote them into the distribution due to its non-free nature. I don't want to program with Motif, nor use the Motif Window Manager for X (I use Afterstep) so, why not someone sells only the libraries? Or even best: why Linux users don't join to buy the source, compile these libraries, and distribute them for free? $40,000 was the cost of the Motif source license ... Alex Y. Maybe I'm crazy, but who knows? It's an idea... ;-) []'s Alexander Gieg =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= By: Alexander Gieg E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/3222/ IRC: AlexG =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= There will be a time in which *all* the computers in the Earth will be using Linux! Amen! -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ +---+ | _ 7 | Alexander Yukhimets [EMAIL PROTECTED] | \()| http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | / \ \ +---+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif v lesstif - was Re: Netscape Communicator 4.01b6 ...
On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, Alex Yukhimets wrote: and david teague responded If one has the library call interface and specifications, it seems to me that it should be possible to write a library that is functionally identical to Motif. If this is not true, I'd like for someone to explain to me why. --David Alex: I guess by functionally identical you mean binary compatible. Yes, I do mean binary compatible. OK, one rude example. If among the set of library functions we also have some global variables (for completely internal use, not documented), they have to be linked to your program at compile-time, not run-time. Isn't Motif available in shared libs? If so, this scenario might not be the case. How do we find out about globals? Phoenix wrote legal code for the IBM BIOS by a clean room techinque, one set of engineers examining the code, writing specs, and another, clean, set of engineers wrote code. WE could do this, but I think at this time it is nearly impossible for most of us to contribute that much time. But even the goal of source code compatibility with Motif I consider unattainable (without examining Motif source code) due to the nature of Xlib - the layer behind Motif. Each call to its routine changes internal state of Xlib. If the same Motif library call implemented even by different order of Xlib calls in Motif and Lesstif, the internal state of Xlib might very well be different after this call. If the programmer also uses direct Xlib call after calling some Motif routine (absolutely legal thing), the result of this call may also be different in Lesstif and Motif implementations, which immediately breaks even source code compatibility. I think this could be done by reverse engineering Motif. Is that legal? At any rate, I HOPE you are wrong! I am willing to bet that the first scenario is not valid, but that the second may well be a problem, adn hope you are being unnecessarily pessimistic! At any rate, thanks for the insights! --David - LINUX: the FREE 32 bit OS for [345]86 PC's available NOW! David B Teague | User interface copyrights software patents make [EMAIL PROTECTED] | programing a dangerous business. Ask me or [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif v lesstif - was Re: Netscape Communicator 4.01b6 ...
On Sat, 5 Jul 1997, Alex Yukhimets wrote: Well, true, but it was linked against Motif 1.2 which make it useless for most of us who has Motif 2.0 :( Works with lesstif too? ;) I have seen several posts which claimed this couldn't be done. What steps would one need to take to get this working? What do you mean? Making Lesstif and Motif binary compatible? You must have OSF source for that :) Alex Y. If one has the library call interface and specifications, it seems to me that it should be possible to write a library that is functionally identical to Motif. If this is not true, I'd like for someone to explain to me why. --David I guess by functionally identical you mean binary compatible. OK, one rude example. If among the set of library functions we also have some global variables (for completely internal use, not documented), they have to be linked to your program at compile-time, not run-time. But even the goal of source code compatibility with Motif I consider unattainable (without examining Motif source code) due to the nature of Xlib - the layer behind Motif. Each call to its routine changes internal state of Xlib. If the same Motif library call implemented even by different order of Xlib calls in Motif and Lesstif, the internal state of Xlib might very well be different after this call. If the programmer also uses direct Xlib call after calling some Motif routine (absolutely legal thing), the result of this call may also be different in Lesstif and Motif implementations, which immediately breaks even source code compatibility. Alex Y. -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ | _ 7 ''' \() (O O) / \ \ +---oOO--(_)+ |\ __/ -- | Alexander Yukhimets [EMAIL PROTECTED] | || | http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | ( / +-oOO---+ \ / |__|__| ) /(_ || || | (___)ooO Ooo \___) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif v lesstif - was Re: Netscape Communicator 4.01b6 ...
David B. Teague wrote: On Sat, 5 Jul 1997, Alex Yukhimets wrote: Well, true, but it was linked against Motif 1.2 which make it useless for most of us who has Motif 2.0 :( Works with lesstif too? ;) I have seen several posts which claimed this couldn't be done. What steps would one need to take to get this working? What do you mean? Making Lesstif and Motif binary compatible? You must have OSF source for that :) Alex Y. If one has the library call interface and specifications, it seems to me that it should be possible to write a library that is functionally identical to Motif. If this is not true, I'd like for someone to explain to me why. --David Well I tried a little experiement and made a link from lestiff to libXm.so.1.2 and two things happend: 1. The libnullplugin now loads (although I don't really know if it's operational or not) 2. netscape-dynmotif crashed and burned. I'm not even sure what the libnullplugin does exactly. From what I can tell it has something to do with plugin updates and such? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif v lesstif - was Re: Netscape Communicator 4.01b6 ...
On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, Glen Carreras wrote: David B. Teague wrote: On Sat, 5 Jul 1997, Alex Yukhimets wrote: Well, true, but it was linked against Motif 1.2 which make it useless for most of us who has Motif 2.0 :( Works with lesstif too? ;) I have seen several posts which claimed this couldn't be done. What steps would one need to take to get this working? What do you mean? Making Lesstif and Motif binary compatible? You must have OSF source for that :) Alex Y. If one has the library call interface and specifications, it seems to me that it should be possible to write a library that is functionally identical to Motif. If this is not true, I'd like for someone to explain to me why. --David Well I tried a little experiement and made a link from lestiff to libXm.so.1.2 and two things happend: 1. The libnullplugin now loads (although I don't really know if it's operational or not) 2. netscape-dynmotif crashed and burned. I'm not even sure what the libnullplugin does exactly. From what I can tell it has something to do with plugin updates and such? It will enable you to go to netscape repository of plugin information, when you come across a page that requires a plugin that you don't have. Shaya -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif, HP JetDirect?
On Tue, 27 May 1997, [ISO-8859-1] Mika Marjamäki wrote: Hi! Does anyone know, what would be best (commercial) Motif for use with Debian? Is there any Motifs available as .deb-file? Mika -- Mika Marjamäki -/- [EMAIL PROTECTED] LSL who stock SWiM [Motif 2.0 under another name to avoid licensing expense] have arranged for .debs to be packaged by Steve Dunham. If you are a licensed user of SWiM contact LSL and the .debs are available by FTP. Not freeware but LSL are competitive on price and SWiM is very complete with lots of documentation. Hope this helps, Andy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif, HP JetDirect?
Mika Marjamäki [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And does anyone have any experience on configuring Debian to use printers that are attached to a HP JetDirect EX Plus3? I think it can share the printers with lpd-protocol, but I didn't get it working..:( These printers need to be rarped in order to get their ip address. You need to set up rarpd, and entries in /etc/ethers and /etc/hosts for the printer. Then things are straightforward: you put an entry in your printcap just as you would for any printer server. Here's mine: lp|HP LaserJet|LaserJet4P:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd:\ :rm=hplaserjet.some.domain:\ :lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:\ :st=/var/log/lpd-status:\ :mx#0: --sf -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif, HP JetDirect?
stephen farrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : These printers need to be rarped in order to get their ip address. : You need to set up rarpd, and entries in /etc/ethers and /etc/hosts : for the printer. Well, I used bootp to configure the JetDirect's and recently I switched to DHCP (dhcpd package). I did not use rarpd at all. You could also configure the JetDirects manually from Windows with the JetAdmin software. : Then things are straightforward: you put an entry in your printcap : just as you would for any printer server. Here's mine: : : lp|HP LaserJet|LaserJet4P:\ : :sd=/var/spool/lpd:\ : :rm=hplaserjet.some.domain:\ : :lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:\ : :st=/var/log/lpd-status:\ : :mx#0: Be sure to have a separate spool directory for each JetDirect you have. Also, an entry like rp=text or rp=raw is needed to send jobs as text or binary data. Regards, E.- -- Eloy A. Paris Information Technology Department Rockwell Automation de Venezuela Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9430323 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif, HP JetDirect?
Hi! Does anyone know, what would be best (commercial) Motif for use with Debian? Is there any Motifs available as .deb-file? I had opportunity to use both Xi Graphics and Metrolink Motifs. I tried Xi Graphics' version first and it seemed to have some bugs. After I tried Metrolink's one I found out that waht I considered to be a bug is a feature of Motif2.0. Anyways, metrolink motif seems to be more reliable product for development but Xi Graphics has more evolved runtime (mwm) configuration. Xi Graphics comes in Slackware's .tgz format - so you could use alien(5.3!) to convert it to .deb. This is not extremely good, since there would be no postrm (or prerm) scripts purging 2 extra lines in site.def file (added during installation). Metrolink comes in both rpm and plain .tar.gz archives (with installation script). This means that you could again use alien to convert rpm to deb. Hope this was of any help to you. Alex Y. And does anyone have any experience on configuring Debian to use printers that are attached to a HP JetDirect EX Plus3? I think it can share the printers with lpd-protocol, but I didn't get it working..:( And is there anykind of script that would install Applixware 4.3 as a debian package? Mika --=20 =09=09Mika Marjam=E4ki -/- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif, HP JetDirect?
Also worth a look at lesstif, a Motif look-a-like under active development. Ed On Tue, 27 May 1997, Alex Yukhimets wrote: Hi! Does anyone know, what would be best (commercial) Motif for use with Debian? Is there any Motifs available as .deb-file? I had opportunity to use both Xi Graphics and Metrolink Motifs. I tried Xi Graphics' version first and it seemed to have some bugs. After I tried Metrolink's one I found out that waht I considered to be a bug is a feature of Motif2.0. Anyways, metrolink motif seems to be more reliable product for development but Xi Graphics has more evolved runtime (mwm) configuration. Xi Graphics comes in Slackware's .tgz format - so you could use alien(5.3!) to convert it to .deb. This is not extremely good, since there would be no postrm (or prerm) scripts purging 2 extra lines in site.def file (added during installation). Metrolink comes in both rpm and plain .tar.gz archives (with installation script). This means that you could again use alien to convert rpm to deb. Hope this was of any help to you. Alex Y. And does anyone have any experience on configuring Debian to use printers that are attached to a HP JetDirect EX Plus3? I think it can share the printers with lpd-protocol, but I didn't get it working..:( And is there anykind of script that would install Applixware 4.3 as a debian package? Mika --=20 =09=09Mika Marjam=E4ki -/- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: motif and X
On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Kevin J Poorman wrote: Hi first the motif questions 1: where can I get the motif librarys ? Cheap*Bytes (http://www.cheapbytes.com) sells a complete Motif 2.0.1 development system (SWiM Motif 2.0 by LaserMoon) for $69.00. This is a VERY good price considering Motif for Linux used to cost nearly $200 a couple of years ago. I bought it and I am quite satisfied with it. 'Tho, if you've never bought anything from Cheap*Bytes, you may be suprised by how they really don't go all out in the fancy packaging, etc. SWiM Motif came on a single CD-ROM, in a plain white envelope all in a cardboard mailer. And thats it. No manuals (manuals cost extra, but I saw PostScript Motif reference manuals on the CD). I also bought a Red Hat CD from them once also, and it came on an all white, generic looking, CD-ROM also in a plain white envelope all enclosed in a cardboard mailer. But I'm not complaining. It's how they keep the costs down and how they can sell stuff for so cheap. Thier service is excellent and I highly recommend them. secondly the X questions when I type xdm absolutly nothing happens I just get a command prompt back and no processes are spawned... any thoughts ? Check the /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers file. Check to see if you have an X server defined for :0. when I look though /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fvwm95-2/ I see a program/module ? called fwvmaudio what is this? I think it is suposed to be used to bind sound bytes to events ?... Yes, it is. You can bind sounds to window manager events like maximizing and minimizing windows. Do a 'man FvwmAudio' for more details. also I have afterstep and like it's look and feel my question for this is can I use the fvwm95 taskbar/startbar in afterstep instead of the warf? Well, I do know you can use the Task Bar from Fvwm '95 v2.42 and prior with Fvwm v2.0.x (I'm using it right now ... 'tho I slightly hacked it so I doesn't have a Start button anymore). But since AfterStep is based on Fvwm v.1.x, it is highly questionable if the Task Bar will work. Note that starting with Fvwm '95 v2.43, they changed a few things so that the Task Bar no longer works properly with Fvwm v2.0.x. So it is very unlikely that will work with AfterStep either. and finaly I have the menu package installed but when I run update-menus and then look at my startmenu there is no difference ... do I need to add a include statement or what ... No clue here :-(. What is the menu package? (I'm still using Debian 1.1 with only a few of the packages upgraded with more recent .debs). == Arcadio Alivio Sincero, Jr. a.k.a. The Tick Undergraduate Computer Science Major/Linux Enthusiast/Competitive Bodybuilder email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW:http://www.coming.to.a.web.site.near.you.com Come meet me on quake.linpeople.org for Quake or irc.linpeople.org for IRC!
RE: motif and X
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 07-Apr-97 Kevin J Poorman wrote: when I type xdm absolutly nothing happens I just get a command prompt back and no processes are spawned... any thoughts ? Try checking the /var/log/xdm-errors file. also I have afterstep and like it's look and feel my question for this is can I use the fvwm95 taskbar/startbar in afterstep instead of the warf? I don't see why you'd want to do that. It defeats the purpose in using Afterstep other than xpm titlebars. But I was able to start the taskbar with Afterstep 1.0 pre6. and finaly I have the menu package installed but when I run update-menus and then look at my startmenu there is no difference ... do I need to add a include statement or what ... Edit the /etc/X11/~window-manager/system.*rc-menu file. Copy the import line to the start button menu section. Make sure that the Debian menu entries are a sub-menu. In the Afterstep *-menu file it replaced the normal menu's. I had to adjust the file so the Debian entry was a sub menu. Kevin Poorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] OR my web page at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/2782 icthus...this is a fish Memory Fault Where Am I ? Have a good one. - -- Rick Jones E-Mail: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 07-Apr-97 Time: 21:19:00 - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM0mdEgi+Ph+i3TgpAQGwPwP+PkCHS8efIgV9GRKgIp4Cnv3dZG5gSo5d nLb/2Lq/zlhqMzNt6zIMcjEY9gfT2BJfT4kv16n4/1+nbIil/xqPFq0N9rvTdxId YrDJno8faJQ8JblYGcUWofjefgvsmnvMYLDUfs9hU41JejMv/0y9YcoaS6u9+Ec9 cCh9so9YWPI= =xqog -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: motif and X
On 07-Apr-97 Kevin J Poorman wrote: Hi first the motif questions 1: where can I get the motif librarys ? 2: How much do they cost ? secondly the X questions when I type xdm absolutly nothing happens I just get a command prompt back and no processes are spawned... any thoughts ? when I look though /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fvwm95-2/ I see a program/module ? called fwvmaudio what is this? I think it is suposed to be used to bind sound bytes to events ?... also I have afterstep and like it's look and feel my question for this is can I use the fvwm95 taskbar/startbar in afterstep instead of the warf? and finaly I have the menu package installed but when I run update-menus and then look at my startmenu there is no difference ... do I need to add a include statement or what ... Kevin Poorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] OR my web page at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/2782 icthus...this is a fish Memory Fault Where Am I ?
Re: motif and X
TT == The Tick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: TT SWiM Motif came on a single CD-ROM, in a plain white envelope TT all in a cardboard mailer. And thats it. No manuals (manuals TT cost extra, but I saw PostScript Motif TT reference manuals on the CD). You can turn those PS manuals into a very readable form with DEC SRC's virtual paper software. You can find it at: http://www.research.digital.com/SRC/virtualpaper/ ... it works well; I bought a Zip drive just for documents in this form. You can browse around in a book with it really easily. Press 'c' for the table of contents, 'i' for the index, and type a number to jump to that page. You can also search for things, and highlight and paste out of books made with it. I think I like the Lectern reader's interface better than Adobe's acroreader. You can get around a lot faster than in a paper book. It's got an excellent display. I like it when you press 'z' and have it fill the screen. It's sort of like reading from microfilm at the library. I've got all of the X window's books in that form; waiting for when I'm ready to read them. The motif manual would be good that way too. There's no Debian package yet, AFAIK. I don't know how to make them yet either :-(, or maybe I'd look into doing it for everyone. Lectern is written in Modula-3, which is an important Internet programming language. Dr. Dobb's Journal just ran an article about a distributed object system scripted with Obliq, which is another M3 program. The w3 consortium talks about M3 in writings I've glanced over... It does things that java does; and did them first, I believe. You can get it on Linux too; for free, at DEC SRC... Karl M. Hegbloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.inetarena.com/~karlheg Portland, OR USA Debian GNU 1.2 Linux 2.0.29t You tell me and we'll both know. Or ask me again in a few years, and maybe I'll tell you then.
Re: motif and X
Kevin Poorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] OR my web page at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/2782 icthus...this is a fish Memory Fault Where Am I ? On Mon, 07 Apr 1997 21:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 07-Apr-97 Kevin J Poorman wrote: when I type xdm absolutly nothing happens I just get a command prompt back and no processes are spawned... any thoughts ? Try checking the /var/log/xdm-errors file. also I have afterstep and like it's look and feel my question for this is can I use the fvwm95 taskbar/startbar in afterstep instead of the warf? I don't see why you'd want to do that. It defeats the purpose in using Afterstep other than xpm titlebars. But I was able to start the taskbar with Afterstep 1.0 pre6. The reason I wanted to do this is so I could have the window shade option for my windows... this is the neat thing that happens when you double click on the title bar of a window the converse of my question is could I get window shade thing to work in fvwm95-2 ... if so how? and finaly I have the menu package installed but when I run update-menus and then look at my startmenu there is no difference ... do I need to add a include statement or what ... Edit the /etc/X11/~window-manager/system.*rc-menu file. Copy the import line to the start button menu section. Make sure that the Debian menu entries are a sub-menu. In the Afterstep *-menu file it replaced the normal menu's. I had to adjust the file so the Debian entry was a sub menu. Kevin Poorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] OR my web page at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/2782 icthus...this is a fish Memory Fault Where Am I ? Have a good one. - -- Rick Jones E-Mail: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 07-Apr-97 Time: 21:19:00 - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM0mdEgi+Ph+i3TgpAQGwPwP+PkCHS8efIgV9GRKgIp4Cnv3dZG5gSo5d nLb/2Lq/zlhqMzNt6zIMcjEY9gfT2BJfT4kv16n4/1+nbIil/xqPFq0N9rvTdxId YrDJno8faJQ8JblYGcUWofjefgvsmnvMYLDUfs9hU41JejMv/0y9YcoaS6u9+Ec9 cCh9so9YWPI= =xqog -END PGP SIGNATURE-
