Re: POP3

[David Wright]

On Tue 22 Dec 2015 at 02:48:00 (+1300), Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 06:28:35PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > 
> > Of course I removed the "was": it wasn't in the subject line of the
> > post you were responding to.
> 
> Did you get out of the wrong side of bed? Inserting 'was' is normal
> practice when starting a sub thread. 

I'm not sure what my mood had to do with it. I wasn't commenting
on how one uses "was" to start a new subthread (something I've
often done here), but whether a discussion of the relative merits
of (still) using the POP3 protocol vs using IMAP was a subthread
of someone's fetchmail difficulties (being discussed under a
remarkable Subject line of "command not found [SOLVED]").

I didn't see one as a continuation of the other, which was about
file permissions, missing libraries and the contents of .fetchmailrc
and /etc/default/fetchmail (in the usual sort of guessing game).

Terms such as "hijacking", "splitting", and constructions such as
Subject: Chalk, was Re: Cheese
were not my concern, nor why Gmail should be able to find an
irrelevant (IMHO) quotation.

Cheers,
David.

Re: POP3

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 06:28:35PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> 
> Of course I removed the "was": it wasn't in the subject line of the
> post you were responding to.

Did you get out of the wrong side of bed? Inserting 'was' is normal
practice when starting a sub thread. 

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

OT Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Bob Holtzman]

On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 07:19:17PM -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2015, Curt wrote:
> 
> >My cat died and I don't want another because of the heartbreak I
> >went through.
> 
> I am so sorry for your loss, which very clearly was a *major* one.
> Try to give yourself enough time to grieve; there's no telling how
> long that will take. There's no FAQ for grief, and loss of a pet for
> many people is a more severe blow than the demise of some of the
> people in their life. We give our animals unconditional love and
> they return it, with interest on account.

When I had to put down my old guy and best friend "Num Nutz" I cried more 
than I did at my mother's funeralso I know the feeling.

> 
> >So you like people who are like you.  Yet another thing that
> >distinguishes us.
> 
> In many ways we are not a very admirable species. I don't really
> like people, as a group. Some of them, taken individually are just
> dandy. but as a group -- feh. Which makes it all the more difficult
> to do justice to them, which they need, and which we need to
> attempt.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> -- 
> Bob Bernstein

-- 

Bob Holtzman
A fair fight is the result of poor planning.

Re: OT Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Bob Bernstein]

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015, Bob Holtzman wrote:

When I had to put down my old guy and best friend "Num Nutz" I 
cried more than I did at my mother's funeralso I know the 
feeling.


Yes. Some may want to complain that this exchange is OT, but I 
submit that this Christmas week, with the world seemingly more 
ready to fly apart at the seams than it is has within my memory, 
and I turned seventy one last month, is exactly the time for at 
least a passing nod to our shared concerns of humanity and 
death.


Come the New Year (God Willing and the creek don't rise) 
there'll be plenty of time to get back to our old cranky 
individualistic ways. Right now 'tho there is a strong feeling 
abroad in the land, as they used to say, that either we stick 
together, or hang separately...


--
Bob Bernstein

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Curt]

On 2015-12-18, Ric Moore  wrote:

 I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
>
> I use POP. Nuff said. :) Ric

And I don't give a shit what you use. I don't have a car and bought my
first cell phone six months ago.  My cat died and I don't want another
because of the heartbreak I went through.

> p/s I knew I liked you for some reason, Lisi!
>

So you like people who are like you.  Yet another thing that
distinguishes us.

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Bob Bernstein]

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015, Curt wrote:

My cat died and I don't want another because of the heartbreak 
I went through.


I am so sorry for your loss, which very clearly was a *major* 
one. Try to give yourself enough time to grieve; there's no 
telling how long that will take. There's no FAQ for grief, and 
loss of a pet for many people is a more severe blow than the 
demise of some of the people in their life. We give our animals 
unconditional love and they return it, with interest on account.


So you like people who are like you.  Yet another thing that 
distinguishes us.


In many ways we are not a very admirable species. I don't really 
like people, as a group. Some of them, taken individually are 
just dandy. but as a group -- feh. Which makes it all the more 
difficult to do justice to them, which they need, and which we 
need to attempt.


Best regards,

--
Bob Bernstein

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Ron]

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:32:01 +
Lisi Reisz  wrote:

> Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles, lusers 
> and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to it?  (For the 
> avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)

I am also one of the unenlightened users, making grunting noises in the 
backwoods and using POP3 (and refusing systemd...)
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
 Climate is an ill-tempered beast, and we are poking it with sticks.
  -- Mark Maslin 

   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
 

Re: POP3

[Felix Miata]

Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI composed on 2015-12-18 07:57 (UTC-0300):

> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:32:01 + Lisi Reisz wrote:

>> Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles, lusers 
>> and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to it?  (For the 
>> avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)

> I am also one of the unenlightened users, making grunting noises in the 
> backwoods and using POP3 

And I, who tries not to fix what ain't broke.
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Joe]

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:32:01 +
Lisi Reisz  wrote:

> On Friday 18 December 2015 09:49:59 Brian wrote:
> > > > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info.  
> >
> > The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are
> >
> >   poll 
> >   protopop3
> >   user 
> >   password 
> >   ssl  
> >
> > 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing.  
> 
> Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles,
> lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to
> it?  (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
> 
> I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am often
> prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this case I
> actually don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell me that I
> am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as well.
> 
> I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
> 

POP3 is exactly right to use email on one intermittently-powered
workstation. It can be pushed beyond that, but only by the user
manually duplicating what an IMAP system does by itself. Your choice,
of course.

I use POP3 (over ssl) to download official mail from my designated
contact address at my ISP, for which purpose it is entirely adequate. I
use various clients on various computers to access mail for my own
domains, stored on my own server, for which POP3 is not at all suitable.

-- 
Joe

Re: POP3

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

> [coming out of several POP3 users]

I am carrying Carl Harris' "popclient" from computer to computer
since the 1990s. It can even do POP2 if you find a server that
cooperates. Occasionally i have to adapt it to the newest internet
habits and threats. But that's only minor polishing.

Its lack of modern encryption facilities can be compensated by
the use of stunnel(8).

I now learned that popclient is also the ancestor of fetchmail
  http://www.fetchmail.info/esrs-design-notes.html


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 18 December 2015 11:26:35 Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:32:01 +
>
> Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > On Friday 18 December 2015 09:49:59 Brian wrote:
> > > > > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info.
> > >
> > > The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are
> > >
> > >   poll 
> > >   protopop3
> > >   user 
> > >   password 
> > >   ssl  
> > >
> > > 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing.
> >
> > Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles,
> > lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to
> > it?  (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
> >
> > I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am often
> > prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this case I
> > actually don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell me that I
> > am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as well.
> >
> > I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
>
> POP3 is exactly right to use email on one intermittently-powered
> workstation. It can be pushed beyond that, but only by the user
> manually duplicating what an IMAP system does by itself. Your choice,
> of course.
>
> I use POP3 (over ssl) to download official mail from my designated
> contact address at my ISP, for which purpose it is entirely adequate. I
> use various clients on various computers to access mail for my own
> domains, stored on my own server, for which POP3 is not at all suitable.

I only own one screen on which I can see well enough to administer email - 
i.e. large enough.  So I administer my email at one location only.  That is 
one - but only one - of the reasons I choose POP3 for my personal use.

Lisi

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Brad Rogers]

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 07:57:37 -0300
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI  wrote:

Hello Renaud,

>backwoods and using POP3 (and refusing systemd...)

Using POP3 here, too.  I don't need access 24/7 worldwide to all my
emails.  And frankly, leaving (some of my personal) emails on a server I
have no control over is asking for trouble.

-- 
 Regards  _
 / )   "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
The stakes were high but the danger low
Charade - Skids


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Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Bob Bernstein]

Gene: I'm unfamiliar with the term "mailfile." Can you expand a 
tad on that? Q'est-ce que?


--
Bob Bernstein

Re: POP3

[David Wright]

On Fri 18 Dec 2015 at 10:32:01 (+), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 18 December 2015 09:49:59 Brian wrote:
> > > > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info.
> >
> > The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are
> >
> >   poll 
> >   protopop3
> >   user 
> >   password 
> >   ssl  
> >
> > 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing.
> 
> Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles, lusers 
> and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to it?  (For the 
> avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
> 
> I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am often 
> prepared 
> to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this case I actually don't agree 
> with the premise.  Feel free to tell me that I am deluding myself and that I 
> am indeed a dinosaur in this as well.
> 
> I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.

Not sure what this has to do with "command not found" and,
in particular, "command not found [SOLVED]".

(In fact, I'm not sure how one could possibly _solve_
"command not found" in the absence of any more context
in the subject line.)

Cheers,
David.

Re: POP3

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 18 December 2015 15:27:08 David Wright wrote:
> On Fri 18 Dec 2015 at 10:32:01 (+), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Friday 18 December 2015 09:49:59 Brian wrote:
> > > > > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info.
> > >
> > > The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are
> > >
> > >   poll 
> > >   protopop3
> > >   user 
> > >   password 
> > >   ssl  
> > >
> > > 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing.
> >
> > Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles, lusers
> > and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to it?  (For
> > the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
> >
> > I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am often
> > prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this case I actually
> > don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell me that I am deluding
> > myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as well.
> >
> > I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
>
> Not sure what this has to do with "command not found" and,
> in particular, "command not found [SOLVED]".

It hasn't.  But it is a continuation of the thread and I quoted from a mail in 
the thread.  It does say "was" not "is" in the subject..  But it makes clear 
I am not hijacking, but splitting the thread.  You have removed and not 
quoted the "was".

Lisi
>
> (In fact, I'm not sure how one could possibly _solve_
> "command not found" in the absence of any more context
> in the subject line.)

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 18 December 2015 05:32:01 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Friday 18 December 2015 09:49:59 Brian wrote:
> > > > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info.
> >
> > The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are
> >
> >   poll 
> >   protopop3
> >   user 
> >   password 
> >   ssl  
> >
> > 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing.
>
> Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles,
> lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to
> it?  (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
>
> I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am often
> prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this case I
> actually don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell me that I am
> deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as well.
>
> I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
>
> Lisi

You have company Lisi, OTOH I am pretty (81 now) ancient, but I hit two servers 
with fetchmail, using pop3 to fetch.  I in fact like the idea/premise of IMAP, 
but have been repeatedly told that setting up the server so I can do email from 
any of my 5 machines, using this one as the server and one of the clients, is 
impossible.  The all maildir email corpus I have here apparently must be 
converted back to something resembling a mailfile, and some directories would 
exceed the reach of a 32 bit filesystem in size as they go back 13 years.

Having experienced first hand the speed of a mailfile based system, which I 
wrote a script to convert to maildir many years ago now, I would never consider 
going back, but it appears icedove is locked to something like a mailfile, 
which in my past experience is a broken concept, one wrong bit anyplace in an 
index file or in the mailfile and that whole "folder" was gone.  I lost over a 
decades worth of one folder while running on an amiga before I went linux on 
intel/amd hardware in early '98, and it was the mailing list for the TRS80 
Color Computer's. That machines aftermarket operating system, os9, is so much 
like unix that I still use it from time to time, but we've re-written it, 
fixing bugs & finding speed, so we call it Nitros9 now.

If icedove could handle maildir files thrown at it to build its database, AND 
used maildir files itself, then I could write a script that could to icedove, 
look like fetchmail/procmail delivering the mail, at 1 every 5 seconds or so, 
and let it run till whenever it was done.

During that time frame, change kmail to access via imap, so I can watch 
progress.  And after 15 minutes to prove its working, change procmail to 
deliver to icedove, or if not that, just let icedove file whats incoming, which 
would be the main reason for a pause in the script after each message has been 
moved into icedove's input queue. Less lock contention that way.

I was hoping that I could setup icedove to serve the kmail database to other 
machines, but have been told thats impossible. I might also point out that the 
docs on icedove/imap are worefully inadequate for a user who has never dealt 
with it.  I'd still try it, if I could find a tutorial that started out with 
"install this list of stuff"  then configure this "stuff" so, and that "stuff" 
so, giving an educational background reason for each.

I've not found such a tome.  And folks seem to think I'm out of my mind to even 
try.  That attitude on the part of what is supposed to be a helpful mailing 
list, is discouraging, for obvious reasons.

Thanks for reading.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Some mill pix are at:
Genes Web page 

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 18 December 2015 09:54:54 Bob Bernstein wrote:

> Gene: I'm unfamiliar with the term "mailfile." Can you expand a
> tad on that? Q'est-ce que?

A mailfile, as I understand it, is the whole thing merged into one file, 
with a blank line or something as a separator, and an index file 
containing the starting offset and read status of each message in the 
main file to speed up the search for new mail.  The fly in that soup is 
of course that other message marks aren't preserved if the index file 
has to be completely rebuilt, a time consuming process when an 
individual folder or directory has 90,000+ emails in it.  Even maildirs 
can be slow to enter when there are 90,000+ files to search for the 3 
unread msaages newly arrived, on this system its about 9 seconds of 
watching the curser spin.  Mailfiles are even slower here.

That strikes me as a fragile system, and has been adequately proved so at 
my location, so until I run out of entry's in the directory, I will 
stick with a file per message format.

YMMV, and I could be wrong. But that is AIUI.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Some mill pix are at:
Genes Web page 

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 18 December 2015 10:19:46 Petter Adsen wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:31:45 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > On Friday 18 December 2015 05:32:01 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles,
> > > lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit
> > > to it?  (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
> > >
> > > I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am
> > > often prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this
> > > case I actually don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell
> > > me that I am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in
> > > this as well.
> > >
> > > I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
> > >
> > > Lisi
> >
> > You have company Lisi, OTOH I am pretty (81 now) ancient, but I hit
> > two servers with fetchmail, using pop3 to fetch.  I in fact like the
> > idea/premise of IMAP, but have been repeatedly told that setting up
> > the server so I can do email from any of my 5 machines, using this
> > one as the server and one of the clients, is impossible.
>
> It isn't impossible, that's what I do here. I run a local Dovecot IMAP
> server, on the same machine I have cron jobs that run getmail to pull
> down mail from various accounts via POP3 and hand them over to
> Dovecot. Dovecot then passes them through the Sieve plugin, which
> filters them into appropriate folders.
>
> This mail is then accessed from any of my local machines via IMAP, so
> I can use any client on any host and see the exact same folder-tree.
> If this is what you want, then it's quite easy to set up.
>
> >  The all
> > maildir email corpus I have here apparently must be converted back
> > to something resembling a mailfile, and some directories would
> > exceed the reach of a 32 bit filesystem in size as they go back 13
> > years.
>
> I've got Dovecot set up to use Maildir, but I can't comment on the
> directory size thing.
>
> > I was hoping that I could setup icedove to serve the kmail database
> > to other machines, but have been told thats impossible.
>
> Icedove/Thunderbird is a mail client, not an IMAP or POP3 server, so
> it can't do that.
>
> > I might also
> > point out that the docs on icedove/imap are worefully inadequate for
> > a user who has never dealt with it.  I'd still try it, if I could
> > find a tutorial that started out with "install this list of stuff"
> > then configure this "stuff" so, and that "stuff" so, giving an
> > educational background reason for each.
> >
> > I've not found such a tome.  And folks seem to think I'm out of my
> > mind to even try.  That attitude on the part of what is supposed to
> > be a helpful mailing list, is discouraging, for obvious reasons.
>
> If you want to try setting up a Dovecot server, there are lots of good
> tutorials and other docs out there. I can probably dig up links to the
> pages I used for setting up my system if you're interested. The wiki
> at http://wiki.dovecot.org is very helpful.
>
> NOTE: I'm not saying this is a setup that is guaranteed to work well
> for you, but I'm very happy with it.
>
> Petter

Do we have a utility that can pull that, including all sublinks so as to 
maintain the order and merge it into one printable file?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Some mill pix are at:
Genes Web page 

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 18 December 2015 07:13:42 Brad Rogers wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 07:57:37 -0300
> Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI  wrote:
>
> Hello Renaud,
>
> >backwoods and using POP3 (and refusing systemd...)
>
> Using POP3 here, too.  I don't need access 24/7 worldwide to all my
> emails.  And frankly, leaving (some of my personal) emails on a server
> I have no control over is asking for trouble.

Thats one of the reasons fetchmail runs a 3 minute sleep cycle here.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Some mill pix are at:
Genes Web page 

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Petter Adsen]

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:31:45 -0500
Gene Heskett  wrote:
> On Friday 18 December 2015 05:32:01 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles,
> > lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit
> > to it?  (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
> >
> > I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am
> > often prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this case
> > I actually don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell me that
> > I am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as
> > well.
> >
> > I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
> >
> > Lisi  
> 
> You have company Lisi, OTOH I am pretty (81 now) ancient, but I hit
> two servers with fetchmail, using pop3 to fetch.  I in fact like the
> idea/premise of IMAP, but have been repeatedly told that setting up
> the server so I can do email from any of my 5 machines, using this
> one as the server and one of the clients, is impossible.

It isn't impossible, that's what I do here. I run a local Dovecot IMAP
server, on the same machine I have cron jobs that run getmail to pull
down mail from various accounts via POP3 and hand them over to Dovecot.
Dovecot then passes them through the Sieve plugin, which filters them
into appropriate folders.

This mail is then accessed from any of my local machines via IMAP, so I
can use any client on any host and see the exact same folder-tree. If
this is what you want, then it's quite easy to set up.

>  The all
> maildir email corpus I have here apparently must be converted back to
> something resembling a mailfile, and some directories would exceed
> the reach of a 32 bit filesystem in size as they go back 13 years.

I've got Dovecot set up to use Maildir, but I can't comment on the
directory size thing.

> I was hoping that I could setup icedove to serve the kmail database
> to other machines, but have been told thats impossible.

Icedove/Thunderbird is a mail client, not an IMAP or POP3 server, so
it can't do that.

> I might also
> point out that the docs on icedove/imap are worefully inadequate for
> a user who has never dealt with it.  I'd still try it, if I could
> find a tutorial that started out with "install this list of stuff"
> then configure this "stuff" so, and that "stuff" so, giving an
> educational background reason for each.
> 
> I've not found such a tome.  And folks seem to think I'm out of my
> mind to even try.  That attitude on the part of what is supposed to
> be a helpful mailing list, is discouraging, for obvious reasons.

If you want to try setting up a Dovecot server, there are lots of good
tutorials and other docs out there. I can probably dig up links to the
pages I used for setting up my system if you're interested. The wiki at
http://wiki.dovecot.org is very helpful.

NOTE: I'm not saying this is a setup that is guaranteed to work well for
you, but I'm very happy with it.

Petter

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Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 18 December 2015 10:19:46 Petter Adsen wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:31:45 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > On Friday 18 December 2015 05:32:01 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles,
> > > lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit
> > > to it?  (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
> > >
> > > I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am
> > > often prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this
> > > case I actually don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell
> > > me that I am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in
> > > this as well.
> > >
> > > I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
> > >
> > > Lisi
> >
> > You have company Lisi, OTOH I am pretty (81 now) ancient, but I hit
> > two servers with fetchmail, using pop3 to fetch.  I in fact like the
> > idea/premise of IMAP, but have been repeatedly told that setting up
> > the server so I can do email from any of my 5 machines, using this
> > one as the server and one of the clients, is impossible.
>
> It isn't impossible, that's what I do here. I run a local Dovecot IMAP
> server, on the same machine I have cron jobs that run getmail to pull
> down mail from various accounts via POP3 and hand them over to
> Dovecot. Dovecot then passes them through the Sieve plugin, which
> filters them into appropriate folders.
>
> This mail is then accessed from any of my local machines via IMAP, so
> I can use any client on any host and see the exact same folder-tree.
> If this is what you want, then it's quite easy to set up.
>
> >  The all
> > maildir email corpus I have here apparently must be converted back
> > to something resembling a mailfile, and some directories would
> > exceed the reach of a 32 bit filesystem in size as they go back 13
> > years.
>
> I've got Dovecot set up to use Maildir, but I can't comment on the
> directory size thing.
>
> > I was hoping that I could setup icedove to serve the kmail database
> > to other machines, but have been told thats impossible.
>
> Icedove/Thunderbird is a mail client, not an IMAP or POP3 server, so
> it can't do that.
>
> > I might also
> > point out that the docs on icedove/imap are worefully inadequate for
> > a user who has never dealt with it.  I'd still try it, if I could
> > find a tutorial that started out with "install this list of stuff"
> > then configure this "stuff" so, and that "stuff" so, giving an
> > educational background reason for each.
> >
> > I've not found such a tome.  And folks seem to think I'm out of my
> > mind to even try.  That attitude on the part of what is supposed to
> > be a helpful mailing list, is discouraging, for obvious reasons.
>
> If you want to try setting up a Dovecot server, there are lots of good
> tutorials and other docs out there. I can probably dig up links to the
> pages I used for setting up my system if you're interested. The wiki
> at http://wiki.dovecot.org is very helpful.

ISTR I looked there, but it didn't come across as being for a rank 
beginner who has never used an imap client before.  But I'll look again. 
What I would like to see is something I can waste some paper printing it 
out, so I can put highliter pen checkmarks on it as its done.

> NOTE: I'm not saying this is a setup that is guaranteed to work well
> for you, but I'm very happy with it.
>
> Petter

And I was confused, I meant dovecot, not icedove, and whose magic crystal 
ball issues these names anyway? :)  icedove is of course t-bird, without 
the branding.

Thanks Petter.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Petter Adsen]

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:07:57 -0500
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Friday 18 December 2015 10:19:46 Petter Adsen wrote:
> > If you want to try setting up a Dovecot server, there are lots of
> > good tutorials and other docs out there. I can probably dig up
> > links to the pages I used for setting up my system if you're
> > interested. The wiki at http://wiki.dovecot.org is very helpful.  
> 
> ISTR I looked there, but it didn't come across as being for a rank 
> beginner who has never used an imap client before.  But I'll look
> again. What I would like to see is something I can waste some paper
> printing it out, so I can put highliter pen checkmarks on it as its
> done.

That wiki might be better if you have specific questions rather than as
an introduction. This is what I can find right now in my bookmarks:

http://www.debian-administration.org/article/275/Setting_up_an_IMAP_server_with_dovecot
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot
https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/email-with-postfix-dovecot-and-mysql-on-debian-6-squeeze/

If you want to use Sieve filters:

http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Pigeonhole/Sieve
http://pigeonhole.dovecot.org/
https://secure.gold.ac.uk/sieve-new/howto.php

You might also want to look at the ManageSieve plugin for Dovecot if
you have a client that supports it. There is an addon for Thunderbird,
and Claws comes with a plugin. If you give this a go and run into
problems, just let me know and I'm happy to share my configuration
files. AFAICR I found all that I needed to know for the basic setup in
the two or three first links.

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:13:58 -0500
Gene Heskett  wrote:
> Do we have a utility that can pull that, including all sublinks so as
> to maintain the order and merge it into one printable file?

You might want to take a look at the wget man page, under the
"Recursive Retrieval Options" heading.

Petter

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Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 18 December 2015 12:23:25 Petter Adsen wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:07:57 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > On Friday 18 December 2015 10:19:46 Petter Adsen wrote:
> > > If you want to try setting up a Dovecot server, there are lots of
> > > good tutorials and other docs out there. I can probably dig up
> > > links to the pages I used for setting up my system if you're
> > > interested. The wiki at http://wiki.dovecot.org is very helpful.
> >
> > ISTR I looked there, but it didn't come across as being for a rank
> > beginner who has never used an imap client before.  But I'll look
> > again. What I would like to see is something I can waste some paper
> > printing it out, so I can put highliter pen checkmarks on it as its
> > done.
>
> That wiki might be better if you have specific questions rather than
> as an introduction. This is what I can find right now in my bookmarks:
>
> http://www.debian-administration.org/article/275/Setting_up_an_IMAP_se
>rver_with_dovecot https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot
> https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/email-with-postfix-dovecot-a
>nd-mysql-on-debian-6-squeeze/
>
> If you want to use Sieve filters:
>
> http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Pigeonhole/Sieve
> http://pigeonhole.dovecot.org/
> https://secure.gold.ac.uk/sieve-new/howto.php
>
> You might also want to look at the ManageSieve plugin for Dovecot if
> you have a client that supports it. There is an addon for Thunderbird,
> and Claws comes with a plugin. If you give this a go and run into
> problems, just let me know and I'm happy to share my configuration
> files. AFAICR I found all that I needed to know for the basic setup in
> the two or three first links.
>
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:13:58 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > Do we have a utility that can pull that, including all sublinks so
> > as to maintain the order and merge it into one printable file?
>
> You might want to take a look at the wget man page, under the
> "Recursive Retrieval Options" heading.
>
> Petter

Ok, I have constructed a recursive pull ~/.wgetrc, but all I get are 
syntax errors.  The file: (which kmail cannit insert, so copy-paste)
gene@coyote:~/Documents/dovecot-wiki$ cat ~/.wgetrc
-np
--follow-ftp
-r
-l 20
-k

Then, invoking wget:

$> wget http://wiki.dovecot.org/FrontPage
wget: Syntax error in /home/gene/.wgetrc at line 1.
wget: Syntax error in /home/gene/.wgetrc at line 2.
wget: Syntax error in /home/gene/.wgetrc at line 3.
wget: Syntax error in /home/gene/.wgetrc at line 4.
wget: Syntax error in /home/gene/.wgetrc at line 5.

Obviously something is all aglay.

Thanks for any insight.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 18 December 2015 16:07:57 Gene Heskett wrote:
> And I was confused, I meant dovecot, not icedove, and whose magic crystal
> ball issues these names anyway? :)  icedove is of course t-bird, without
> the branding.

Phew.  Glad it wasn't me.  I couldn't make sense of "Icedove", but there is so 
much that I don't know .

Lisi

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Ric Moore]

On 12/18/2015 10:19 AM, Petter Adsen wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:31:45 -0500
Gene Heskett  wrote:

On Friday 18 December 2015 05:32:01 Lisi Reisz wrote:

Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles,
lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit
to it?  (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)

I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am
often prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this case
I actually don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell me that
I am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as
well.

I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.


I use POP. Nuff said. :) Ric

p/s I knew I liked you for some reason, Lisi!

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"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Martin Read]

On 18/12/15 18:14, Gene Heskett wrote:

Ok, I have constructed a recursive pull ~/.wgetrc, but all I get are
syntax errors.  The file: (which kmail cannit insert, so copy-paste)
gene@coyote:~/Documents/dovecot-wiki$ cat ~/.wgetrc
-np
--follow-ftp
-r
-l 20
-k


Using "info wget" to read the wget user manual, I see that your wgetrc 
is indeed syntactically invalid. To do what yours appears to be intended 
to do, you would need something like:


no_parent = on
follow_ftp = on
recursive = on
reclevel = 20
convert_links = on

Re: POP3

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 19 December 2015 00:28:35 David Wright wrote:
> On Fri 18 Dec 2015 at 15:36:05 (+), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Friday 18 December 2015 15:27:08 David Wright wrote:
> > > On Fri 18 Dec 2015 at 10:32:01 (+), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > On Friday 18 December 2015 09:49:59 Brian wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info.
> > > > >
> > > > > The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are
> > > > >
> > > > >   poll 
> > > > >   protopop3
> > > > >   user 
> > > > >   password 
> > > > >   ssl  
> > > > >
> > > > > 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing.
> > > >
> > > > Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles,
> > > > lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to
> > > > it?  (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
> > > >
> > > > I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am often
> > > > prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this case I
> > > > actually don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell me that I
> > > > am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as well.
> > > >
> > > > I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
> > >
> > > Not sure what this has to do with "command not found" and,
> > > in particular, "command not found [SOLVED]".
> >
> > It hasn't.  But it is a continuation of the thread and I quoted from a
> > mail in the thread.  It does say "was" not "is" in the subject..  But it
> > makes clear I am not hijacking, but splitting the thread.  You have
> > removed and not quoted the "was".
>
> Of course I removed the "was": it wasn't in the subject line of the
> post you were responding to.
>
> If there's a thread under "Discussion of how to configure and run
> fetchmail" and someone responds with "Straw-poll on the popularity of
> POP3, was Discussion of how to configure and run fetchmail", how does
> the presence of "was" make one subject relevant to the other?
>
> I just can't see the connection between helping someone get their
> fetchmail installed and running, and whether people (and how many) are
> "embarrassed to be" still running POP3 rather than IMAP.
>
> And why is almost all this thread tagged {SOLVED]? It might be
> justified if there was a solution to a well defined problem which was
> now being refined; forgive me if I missed something but Gene asked like-
> wise in https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/12/msg00436.html
> to which I have as yet seen no response.

OK.  That is a valid and different point.  Splitting a thread off when it 
wanders is also usually, although obviously not by you, an accepted practice.  
Had I trimmed as you suggested, people on, say, Gmail wouldn't even have 
known where to look for my quotation.

The OP obviously just saw"SOLVED" as meaning "I'm OK now I don't need any more 
help".  The archives could indeed do with a little more - but people vary 
between those who don't even bother saying that their problem is fixed and 
those who actually instruct everyone else to stop discussing "their" thread 
when they are bored.

Gene, and you, may yet get an answer.

Lisi

Re: POP3

[David Wright]

On Fri 18 Dec 2015 at 15:36:05 (+), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 18 December 2015 15:27:08 David Wright wrote:
> > On Fri 18 Dec 2015 at 10:32:01 (+), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Friday 18 December 2015 09:49:59 Brian wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info.
> > > >
> > > > The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are
> > > >
> > > >   poll 
> > > >   protopop3
> > > >   user 
> > > >   password 
> > > >   ssl  
> > > >
> > > > 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing.
> > >
> > > Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles, lusers
> > > and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to it?  (For
> > > the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
> > >
> > > I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am often
> > > prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this case I actually
> > > don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell me that I am deluding
> > > myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as well.
> > >
> > > I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
> >
> > Not sure what this has to do with "command not found" and,
> > in particular, "command not found [SOLVED]".
> 
> It hasn't.  But it is a continuation of the thread and I quoted from a mail 
> in 
> the thread.  It does say "was" not "is" in the subject..  But it makes clear 
> I am not hijacking, but splitting the thread.  You have removed and not 
> quoted the "was".

Of course I removed the "was": it wasn't in the subject line of the
post you were responding to.

If there's a thread under "Discussion of how to configure and run
fetchmail" and someone responds with "Straw-poll on the popularity of
POP3, was Discussion of how to configure and run fetchmail", how does
the presence of "was" make one subject relevant to the other?

I just can't see the connection between helping someone get their
fetchmail installed and running, and whether people (and how many) are
"embarrassed to be" still running POP3 rather than IMAP.

And why is almost all this thread tagged {SOLVED]? It might be
justified if there was a solution to a well defined problem which was
now being refined; forgive me if I missed something but Gene asked like-
wise in https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/12/msg00436.html
to which I have as yet seen no response.

Cheers,
David.

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Bob Bernstein]

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015, Gene Heskett wrote:

A mailfile, as I understand it, is the whole thing merged into 
one file, with a blank line or something as a separator, and 
an index file containing the starting offset and read status 
of each message in the main file to speed up the search for 
new mail.


Is that structure/function of the mailfile found only in 
connection with certain specific MUA's, those which, for 
example, might implement or somehow make use of it?


I know about maildir, mbox and mh, but not mailfile. But don't 
sweat this Gene; if I was really curious I'd google the goshdarn 
thing!



--
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Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Joe]

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 16:33:14 -0500 (EST)
Bob Bernstein  wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> > A mailfile, as I understand it, is the whole thing merged into 
> > one file, with a blank line or something as a separator, and 
> > an index file containing the starting offset and read status 
> > of each message in the main file to speed up the search for 
> > new mail.  
> 
> Is that structure/function of the mailfile found only in 
> connection with certain specific MUA's, those which, for 
> example, might implement or somehow make use of it?
> 
> I know about maildir, mbox and mh, but not mailfile. But don't 
> sweat this Gene; if I was really curious I'd google the goshdarn 
> thing!
> 
> 

I was assuming that he meant the mbox format, which is/was pretty much
universal before the widespread use of IMAP. Debian's default MTA exim4
uses mbox by default but is easy to switch to maildir. As I recall, and
it's a few years ago now, that was the only reconfiguration needed on my
server when I installed Courier IMAP. Otherwise, it all Just Worked,
and has done so ever since.

I don't believe dovecot was around then, it was a choice between
Courier, Cyrus and UW, and I have no recollection at all of the
reason for my choice.

-- 
Joe

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 18 December 2015 14:02:52 Martin Read wrote:

> On 18/12/15 18:14, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Ok, I have constructed a recursive pull ~/.wgetrc, but all I get are
> > syntax errors.  The file: (which kmail cannit insert, so copy-paste)
> > gene@coyote:~/Documents/dovecot-wiki$ cat ~/.wgetrc
> > -np
> > --follow-ftp
> > -r
> > -l 20
> > -k
>
> Using "info wget" to read the wget user manual, I see that your wgetrc
> is indeed syntactically invalid. To do what yours appears to be
> intended to do, you would need something like:
>
> no_parent = on
> follow_ftp = on
> recursive = on
> reclevel = 20
> convert_links = on

I changed it, and while it is attempting to do something, the errors are 
abundant, like no permission, 403 FORBIDEN, and 503 SERVICE NOT 
AVAILABLE  Total files retrieved and converted are only about 30.

Many of the filenames were long strings of high bit set hex numbers. None 
of which existed. So obviously I need to set a few more options.  But 
what?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: POP3 softwares.

[Osamu Aoki]

Hi,

On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 09:46:15PM -0800, Peter Easthope wrote:
 Problem
 Given a remote POP3 server which provides SSL.  Also a MUA on a
 local host, which retrieves by POP3 when activated by the user and
 lacks SSL.  Try to move messages from the server to the MUA.
 
 Candidate Solution
 Let getmail, in the POP3-over-SSL instance, retrieve messages from

Good choice for getmail :-)

 the server and queue in an mbox file.  

OK.

 Run qpopper to allow the MUA
 to retrieve from the mbox on demand.

??? Why bother with qpopper.  It is a local mbox.

 Questions
 1. Rather than getmail and qpopper, can one software do this task?
If so, which is recommended?

You are using getmail + qpopper + some local MUA

Just make things simple by dropping qpopper.

 2. The documentation for qpopper suggests that it can only acquire
messages from a spool.  If the answer to 1 is no, is there
some way to pipe messages directly from the retrieving POP3 to
the delivering POP3?

By the way, mbox spool is not always good for you if you use noatime
filesystem.  getmail supports maildirs etc which may be better if your
MUA supports it.

I actually use mailfilter to split mail into many different mail box.
See:
  
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch06.en.html#_the_remote_mail_retrieval_and_forward_utility
  
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch06.en.html#_mail_delivery_agent_mda_with_filter

Osamu (getmail maintainer)


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Re: POP3 softwares.

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 1/25/14, Osamu Aoki osamu_aoki_h...@nifty.com wrote:
 On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 09:46:15PM -0800, Peter Easthope wrote:
 Problem
 Given a remote POP3 server which provides SSL.  Also a MUA on a
 local host, which retrieves by POP3 when activated by the user and
 lacks SSL.  Try to move messages from the server to the MUA.

 Candidate Solution
 Let getmail, in the POP3-over-SSL instance, retrieve messages from

 Good choice for getmail :-)

 Osamu (getmail maintainer)

Cool :)
Are you able to compare getmail with mpop?

When I gave up fetchmail (a fine day :), a few years ago, mpop came
out trumps for me at the time - unbelievably fast!

I'm wondering what getmail could provide as compared with mpop.

I am soon to move from a webmail MUA back to mutt (it's been too long, I know).

TIA
Zenaan


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Re: POP3 softwares.

[Nemeth Gyorgy]

2014-01-19 06:46 keltezéssel, Peter Easthope írta:
 Problem
 Given a remote POP3 server which provides SSL.  Also a MUA on a
 local host, which retrieves by POP3 when activated by the user and
 lacks SSL.  Try to move messages from the server to the MUA.
 
 Candidate Solution
 Let getmail, in the POP3-over-SSL instance, retrieve messages from
 the server and queue in an mbox file.  Run qpopper to allow the MUA
 to retrieve from the mbox on demand.
 
 Questions
 1. Rather than getmail and qpopper, can one software do this task?
If so, which is recommended?

I use fetchmail for similar task.

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Re: POP3 softwares.

[Martin Steigerwald]

Am Samstag, 18. Januar 2014, 21:46:15 schrieb Peter Easthope:
 Problem
 Given a remote POP3 server which provides SSL.  Also a MUA on a
 local host, which retrieves by POP3 when activated by the user and
 lacks SSL.  Try to move messages from the server to the MUA.
 
 Candidate Solution
 Let getmail, in the POP3-over-SSL instance, retrieve messages from
 the server and queue in an mbox file.  Run qpopper to allow the MUA
 to retrieve from the mbox on demand.

Another candidate solution:

Move to a MUA which can do SSL/TLS.

But I bet thats the fixed thing in this scenario?

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Re: POP3 softwares.

[Peter Easthope]

On Sun, January 19, 2014 2:53 am, Nemeth Gyorgy wrote:
 I use fetchmail for similar task.

OK; thanks.  In your application, where or how does fetchmail deliver
messages?
The documentation I've seen mentions acquisition by POP but doesn't mention
disposal.
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Re: POP3 softwares.

[Nemeth Gyorgy]

2014-01-19 19:02 keltezéssel, Peter Easthope írta:
 I use fetchmail for similar task.
 
 OK; thanks.  In your application, where or how does fetchmail deliver
 messages?
 The documentation I've seen mentions acquisition by POP but doesn't mention
 disposal.

It puts the emails to the user's mail spool via the local MTA (I use
postfix for it). Dovecot is also installed as an IMAP server so the user
can read it via IMAP also. Of course POP3 can be also provided.


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Re: POP3 softwares.

[Артур Истомин]

On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 09:46:15PM -0800, Peter Easthope wrote:
 Problem
 Given a remote POP3 server which provides SSL.  Also a MUA on a
 local host, which retrieves by POP3 when activated by the user and
 lacks SSL.  Try to move messages from the server to the MUA.
 
 Candidate Solution
 Let getmail, in the POP3-over-SSL instance, retrieve messages from
 the server and queue in an mbox file.  Run qpopper to allow the MUA
 to retrieve from the mbox on demand.
 
 Questions
 1. Rather than getmail and qpopper, can one software do this task?
If so, which is recommended?

I'am using popa3d (Tiny POP3 daemon, designed with security as the
primary goal) and stunnel for SSL on server-side and mutt on client
side. I suppose all modern email client support mbox format (and POP3 of
course)


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What´s wrong with fetchmail? (Re: POP3 in Debian)

[lee]

Jon Dowland j...@debian.org writes:

 I'd strongly recommend using something *other* than fetchmail: getmail
 or mpop are options.

What´s wrong with fetchmail?


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Re: What´s wrong with fetchmail? (Re: POP3 in Debian)

[Anthony Campbell]

On 24 Jan 2012, lee wrote:
 Jon Dowland j...@debian.org writes:
 
  I'd strongly recommend using something *other* than fetchmail: getmail
  or mpop are options.
 
 What´s wrong with fetchmail?
 
 

It's fine if it works for you, but some years ago I had problems
authenticting myself to a mail server with fetchmail. I switched to
getmail4 and it worked instantly. I can't remember the details now but
I've always used getmail4 since them.

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Re: What´s wrong with fetchmail? (Re: POP3 in Debian)

[Tom H]

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 Jon Dowland j...@debian.org writes:

 I'd strongly recommend using something *other* than fetchmail: getmail
 or mpop are options.

 What´s wrong with fetchmail?

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/01/msg01476.html


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Re: What´s wrong with fetchmail? (Re: POP3 in Debian)

[Johann Spies]

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:15:33PM +0200, Anthony Campbell wrote:


 It's fine if it works for you, but some years ago I had problems
 authenticting myself to a mail server with fetchmail. I switched to
 getmail4 and it worked instantly. I can't remember the details now but
 I've always used getmail4 since them.

I have used fetchmail for many years (might be about 15 now).  At more
than one stage I experimented with getmail which also worked but I
always came back to fetchmail.  I found getmail a bit more complicated
(or maybe it was just 'strange' for me) to configure properly.

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Re: What´s wrong with fetchmail? (Re: POP3 in Debian)

[Anthony Campbell]

On 24 Jan 2012, Johann Spies wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:15:33PM +0200, Anthony Campbell wrote:
 
 
  It's fine if it works for you, but some years ago I had problems
  authenticting myself to a mail server with fetchmail. I switched to
  getmail4 and it worked instantly. I can't remember the details now but
  I've always used getmail4 since them.
 
 I have used fetchmail for many years (might be about 15 now).  At more
 than one stage I experimented with getmail which also worked but I
 always came back to fetchmail.  I found getmail a bit more complicated
 (or maybe it was just 'strange' for me) to configure properly.
 
 Regards
 Johann
 

Interesting. I found getmail easy to configure, using the examples in
the docs as a template. Anyway, this just illustrates one of the nice
things about Linux - lots of different ways to get the result you want.


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Re: What�s wrong with fetchmail? (Re: POP3 in Debian)

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On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:15:33AM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
 On 24 Jan 2012, lee wrote:
  Jon Dowland j...@debian.org writes:
  
   I'd strongly recommend using something *other* than fetchmail: getmail
   or mpop are options.
  
  What´s wrong with fetchmail?
  
  
 
 It's fine if it works for you, but some years ago I had problems
 authenticting myself to a mail server with fetchmail. I switched to
 getmail4 and it worked instantly. I can't remember the details now but
 I've always used getmail4 since them.

I'm not sure something that happened to you years ago would justify a
recomendation not to use it.

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Re: POP3 in Debian

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:38:23 +, Jon Dowland wrote:

(...)

 I'd strongly recommend using something *other* than fetchmail: getmail
 or mpop are options.

Long-time fetchmail user -and lover- here! (me, I mean...) :-)

Can you please explain what motivates your above advice?

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Re: POP3 in Debian

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:49:22 -0800, peasthope wrote:

 Since the weekend my MUA POP3 connection has failed to receive messages
 with this appearing in the log. 

Which MUA?

 --- POP
 RCV: +OK pop.shaw.ca
 SND: USER peasthope
 RCV: +OK password required for user peasth...@shaw.ca 
 SND: PASS 
 RCV: +OK server ready
 SND: UIDL
 RCV: +OK 35 messages
 SND: LIST  1
 RCV: -ERR unable to parse msg
 SND: RETR  1
 RCV: -ERR unable to parse msg
 SND: QUIT
 
 Failure in parsing LIST 1 baffles.  How big a problem can parsing of 6
 characters be?  

I have encountered weird problems with a combination of qmail (server) 
and some bad formatted e-mail messages (most of them spam) when retrieved 
from my client. Using another MUA can help in some cases.

 To understand further, I want a Debian system to automatically retrieve
 messages from the POP3 server and put them in /home/peter/mbox. Then
 qpopper can let the preferred MUA pop them from the mbox.  Which
 software should be configured to retrieve from the ISP POP3 server and
 store in mbox?  Exim, getmail or another?

I'm using fetchmail to do that. My schema is as follows:

POP3 server (remote site / isp server) → fetchmail → spamassassin → postfix → 
cyrus (my local pop3 e-mail server) → MUA (clients)

I use this setup because I have to distribute e-mails to my network users 
and so I prefer having a complete pop3/imap server running locally. In your 
case, you can just reduce the full chain to:

POP3 server (remote site / isp server) → fetchmail → your $HOME mailbox → MUA 
(clients)

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Re: POP3 in Debian

[Walter Hurry]

On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:38:23 +, Jon Dowland wrote:

 I'd strongly recommend using something *other* than fetchmail: getmail
 or mpop are options.

What's wrong with Fetchmail? Works flawlessly for me.



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Re: POP3 in Debian

[Jörg-Volker Peetz]

If it has worked before, it could as well be a temporarily problem of your 
provider.
By the way, here we're using pop3 encrypted via ssl (which nowadays every
provider should have available) in order to protect the password from 
eavesdropping.
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Re: POP3 in Debian

[Martin Steigerwald]

Am Mittwoch, 18. Januar 2012 schrieb peasth...@shaw.ca:
 Failure in parsing LIST 1 baffles.  How big a problem can parsing of
 6  characters be?  To understand further, I want a Debian system to
 automatically retrieve messages from the POP3 server and put them in
 /home/peter/mbox. Then qpopper can let the preferred MUA pop them from
 the mbox.  Which software should be configured to retrieve from the
 ISP POP3 server and store in mbox?  Exim, getmail or another?

You could try with fetchmail, but I am not completely sure whether it can 
store what it retrieves in a mbox or whether it only supports maildir.

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Re: Re: POP3 in Debian

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mi, 18 ian 12, 19:16:03, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
 * From: Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com
 * Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:06:16 +0200
  Try having a look at your mail via some other 
  means (webmail or so) to see if there is something that might create 
  problems.
 
 Web access shows nothing unusual.  Messages have come 
 to the I.S.P. mailbox since the problem with POP appeared 
 and I've deleted messages, including the oldest, via the Web.
 So newest and oldest messages have changed.  Assuming 
 message 1 is the newest or oldest, POP can't be stumbling 
 on one specific message.  I can empty the mailbox with the 
 Web interface and see the result.
 
Sorry, no other ideas.

  For automatic retrieval I have been using getmail for a long time.
 
 Do you have Exim still?

I do have postfix, but only for sending mails. The recommended getmail 
setup does not involve any sendmail clone (unlike fetchmail)[1]. You may 
want to use an MDA (mail delivery agent), since getmail's built-in 
sorting is limited. The author believes in The Unix Way (tm) - do one 
thing and do it well ;)

[1] re-injecting received mails in a SMTP daemon can lead to strange 
results if you are not careful.

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Re: POP3 in Debian

[Jon Dowland]

On 19/01/12 09:32, Martin Steigerwald wrote:

You could try with fetchmail, but I am not completely sure whether it can
store what it retrieves in a mbox or whether it only supports maildir.


Fairly sure fetchmail (et al) can inject mail to the local MDA, so where 
it ends up afterwards depends on how you've set up exim or an alternative.


I'd strongly recommend using something *other* than fetchmail: getmail 
or mpop are options.



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Re: POP3 in Debian

[Martin Steigerwald]

Am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2012 schrieb Jon Dowland:
 On 19/01/12 09:32, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
  You could try with fetchmail, but I am not completely sure whether it
  can store what it retrieves in a mbox or whether it only supports
  maildir.
 
 Fairly sure fetchmail (et al) can inject mail to the local MDA, so
 where it ends up afterwards depends on how you've set up exim or an
 alternative.
 
 I'd strongly recommend using something *other* than fetchmail: getmail
 or mpop are options.

Well I am not using either, I was just suggesting, that if one tool does 
not work, the other might. But then when the one tool worked before, it is 
probably something else.

And yes fetchmail has such an option.

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Re: POP3 in Debian

[Martin Steigerwald]

Am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2012 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
 Am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2012 schrieb Jon Dowland:
  On 19/01/12 09:32, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
   You could try with fetchmail, but I am not completely sure whether
   it can store what it retrieves in a mbox or whether it only
   supports maildir.
  
  Fairly sure fetchmail (et al) can inject mail to the local MDA, so
  where it ends up afterwards depends on how you've set up exim or an
  alternative.
[…]
 And yes fetchmail has such an option.

Well at least I read:

- It's now easy to deliver mail to a local LMTP socket.
http://www.fetchmail.info/fetchmail-features.html

- Delivery via SMTP to the client machine's port 25. This means the 
retrieved mail automatically goes to the system default MDA as if it were 
normal sender-initiated SMTP mail.

on

http://www.fetchmail.info/fetchmail-features.html

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Re: POP3 in Debian

[Osamu Aoki]

Hi,

Both getmail4 and fetchmail can handle this task well (Though I like
the getmail4 package as being its maintainer.)

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 01:49:22PM -0800, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Since the weekend my MUA POP3 connection has failed to receive 
 messages with this appearing in the log.
 --- POP
 RCV: +OK pop.shaw.ca
 SND: USER peasthope
 RCV: +OK password required for user peasth...@shaw.ca
 SND: PASS 
 RCV: +OK server ready
 SND: UIDL
 RCV: +OK 35 messages
 SND: LIST  1
 RCV: -ERR unable to parse msg
 SND: RETR  1
 RCV: -ERR unable to parse msg
 SND: QUIT
 
 Failure in parsing LIST 1 baffles.  How big a problem can parsing of 6 
 characters be?  To understand further, I want a Debian system to 
 automatically 
 retrieve messages from the POP3 server and put them in /home/peter/mbox.  
 Then qpopper can let the preferred MUA pop them from the mbox.  Which 

Qpopper
The most widely-used POP3 server for UNIX, Linux, etc.
http://www.eudora.com/products/unsupported/qpopper/index.html

Are you running that qpopper yourself?

 software should be configured to retrieve from the ISP POP3 server and 
 store in mbox?  Exim, getmail or another?

I think your message is quite confuting.

Anyway, run your MUA with more verbosity.  mutt have -d option.

Or connect to remote POP3 site with telnet.  

 
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Re: POP3 in Debian

[Mathias Bauer]

* Jon Dowland wrote on 2012-01-19 at 11:38 (+):

 On 19/01/12 09:32, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
 You could try with fetchmail, but I am not completely sure
 whether it can store what it retrieves in a mbox or whether it
 only supports maildir.

 Fairly sure fetchmail (et al) can inject mail to the local MDA,
 so where it ends up afterwards depends on how you've set up
 exim or an alternative.

 I'd strongly recommend using something *other* than fetchmail:
 getmail or mpop are options.

Is this a general advice?  If so, then why?  Or is it your advice
for the OP's aim to directly deliver messages to a mbox or
maildir without exim and without running an MDA.

Yes, I checked the short package descriptions of getmail and
mpop.  And I'm using fetchmail for myself (but no POP3s) without
any problems.

Regards,
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Re: POP3 in Debian

[Jon Dowland]

On 19/01/12 12:50, Mathias Bauer wrote:

Is this a general advice?  If so, then why?


Yes.

http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/faq.html#faq-about-why covers many
reasons.


Or is it your advice for the OP's aim to directly deliver messages to
a mbox or maildir without exim and without running an MDA.


I didn't read the OP's message as indicating that one piece of software
needed to deliver to that place without invoking another. Indeed, I 
want a Debian system would seem to support using multiple bits (such as

getmail + a MDA such as Exim)

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Re: POP3 in Debian

[Martin Steigerwald]

Am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2012 schrieb Jon Dowland:
 On 19/01/12 12:50, Mathias Bauer wrote:
  Is this a general advice?  If so, then why?
 
 Yes.
 
 http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/faq.html#faq-about-why covers many
 reasons.

Holy smoke!

Well that are enough reasons for me. OTOH it would be interesting to know 
the other side of the story.

Thanks for the hint, I will consider it, should I need to configure some 
mail fetching somewhere again.

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Re: POP3 in Debian

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mi, 18 ian 12, 13:49:22, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Since the weekend my MUA POP3 connection has failed to receive 
 messages with this appearing in the log.
 --- POP
 RCV: +OK pop.shaw.ca
 SND: USER peasthope
 RCV: +OK password required for user peasth...@shaw.ca
 SND: PASS 
 RCV: +OK server ready
 SND: UIDL
 RCV: +OK 35 messages
 SND: LIST  1
 RCV: -ERR unable to parse msg
 SND: RETR  1
 RCV: -ERR unable to parse msg
 SND: QUIT
 
 Failure in parsing LIST 1 baffles.  How big a problem can parsing of 
 6 characters be?

The problem might come from one specific message in your Inbox 
(malformed or whatever). Try having a look at your mail via some other 
means (webmail or so) to see if there is something that might create 
problems.

For automatic retrieval I have been using getmail for a long time.

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Re: Re: POP3 in Debian

[peasthope]

*   From: Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com
*   Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:06:16 +0200
 Try having a look at your mail via some other 
 means (webmail or so) to see if there is something that might create 
 problems.

Web access shows nothing unusual.  Messages have come 
to the I.S.P. mailbox since the problem with POP appeared 
and I've deleted messages, including the oldest, via the Web.
So newest and oldest messages have changed.  Assuming 
message 1 is the newest or oldest, POP can't be stumbling 
on one specific message.  I can empty the mailbox with the 
Web interface and see the result.

 For automatic retrieval I have been using getmail for a long time.

Do you have Exim still?

Thanks,   ... Peter E.





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Re: POP3 Connector

[tux]

Em Domingo 13 Março 2011, às 13:08:36, Joao Mandl escreveu:
 Galera,
 Estou migrando um SBS (Windows) para Linux.
 Já escolhi tudo, mas estou em dúvida de qual pop3 connector usar?
 Alguém indica algum?
 Pensei em usar o Zimbra mas achei nos testes que fiz com umas máquinas
 virtuais que ele deixou o servidor um pouco pesado. (já que é tudo em
 1, pouco recurso financeiro).
 Valeu,
 
 João Mandl


Olá! 
Por acaso a combinação fetchmail + courier ou dovecot (imap) não atende a 
demanda ?

Abraços
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Re: POP3 connector for exchange 2007

[Joe]

Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:

On 30.03.09 03:19, Phillipus Gunawan wrote:

I just been asking by manager to deploy a POP3 connector for winblow$2008


I guess it's asked by manager - the manager asked you for that...


with exchange 2007 The company been using winblow$2003 and moving to 08
with exchange 2007


exchange supports pop3, why do you need a connector? Btw, if possible, use
at least IMAP to connect to it (exchange supports IMAP too)

A 'POP3 Connector', in the Windows world, is not a POP3 server but a 
POP3 client, and Exchange on standard Windows Server doesn't have one. 
The Small Business Server has one, but the 2003 version is extremely poor.


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Re: POP3 connector for exchange 2007

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

On 30.03.09 03:19, Phillipus Gunawan wrote:
 I just been asking by manager to deploy a POP3 connector for winblow$2008

I guess it's asked by manager - the manager asked you for that...

 with exchange 2007 The company been using winblow$2003 and moving to 08
 with exchange 2007

exchange supports pop3, why do you need a connector? Btw, if possible, use
at least IMAP to connect to it (exchange supports IMAP too)

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Re: POP3 connector for exchange 2007

[Joe]

Phillipus Gunawan wrote:

Hi There,

I just been asking by manager to deploy a POP3 connector for winblow$2008 with 
exchange 2007
The company been using winblow$2003 and moving to 08 with exchange 2007

What would be a good friendly package to integrate it with AD which will 
deliver the POP email to its mailbox in the exchange user
We had a firewall / adsl gateway Debian installed, hoping can be use for this 
purpose

Tried to do googling but see no light and need it bit urgent
Any comments or docos link will be much appreciated



I use fetchmail on Debian into an SBS2003 without problems. Why do you 
want AD integration? This can be done to some extent with Samba at 2003 
level, but I'd assume MS has put some more roadblocks in place by now. 
You can do it yourself with authenticated LDAP access to the Windows 
server, but I don't think that will be quick to set up and debug. 
Exchange will only accept mail for its own users when so configured, 
fetchmail doesn't need to know about them, though it helps in spam 
reduction.


If it's SBS2008, then like 2003 it has a POP3 downloader built in, and 
unlike 2003, it allegedly works tolerably well. I'd still use fetchmail. 
All POP3 downloaders except the SBS2003 POP3 connector deliver to 
Exchange by SMTP, taking advantage of some of the anti-spam techniques 
in Exchange. The SBS2003 POP3 connector is 'integrated', a joyful 
Microsoft marketing term meaning that it doesn't use a clean interface. 
It actually drops the mail straight into the Exchange mail store, thus 
bypassing a number of possibly useful filtering mechanisms.


I'll give you the usual SBS newsgroup lecture: POP3 is a poor method of 
collection of business email as it sends passwords in clear text and 
doesn't (without help) do BCC and mailing lists. Fetchmail and most 
third-party downloaders can use extra headers to deal with BCC and 
mailing lists, if the POP3 host is adding them. If you collect 
domain-wide, rather than configuring the downloader separately for each 
user, you must either use a catch-all spam trap or generate NDR spam. 
Even with AD integration in the local network, the SMTP server at the 
POP3 host has already accepted mail to anybody. Also, if you're 
collecting domain-wide, some users get irritated by the multiple copies 
of those emails sent to more than one person in their domain. Another 
joy of POP3.


SMTP is the way to go, even with Exchange. I haven't yet had anything to 
do with Exchange 2007, but I'd be surprised if it was anywhere near as 
flexible in configuration as a *nix mail server. E2003 certainly isn't. 
You might want to set up exim4 or another SMTP server of your choice to 
actually face the Internet, as it will probably do a better job of spam 
reduction than Exchange.


Also, whether you go POP3 and fetchmail or SMTP and exim4, you can make 
use of SpamAssassin, ClamAV and other filtering software before passing 
the mail on to Exchange. Nothing improves email in a Windows network 
like a Linux server...


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Re: POP3 server

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On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:26:37 +0300
Tero Mäntyvaara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have used POP3 server now a few months, but I have forgot whitch
 one it was. :-/ How can I find out whitch server I am using? :-D
 
 
 Tero Mäntyvaara
 
 

quick and dirty way is to to telnet to port 110 of the IP and see if
you get a banner.

For example, dovecot returns something like this:
Escape character is '^]'.
* OK Dovecot ready.

If you see:
Escape character is '^]'.
+OK Hello there.

it's probably courier 

More likely than not, you're using either courier, dovecot, or qmail,
and you should be able to grep your processlist to find out which



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Re: POP3 server

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On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 02:26:37PM +0300, Tero Mäntyvaara wrote:
 I have used POP3 server now a few months, but I have forgot whitch one 
 it was. :-/ How can I find out whitch server I am using? :-D

Start with:

  netstat -lntp | grep 110

to check what process listens on port 110 .

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Re: POP3 server

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Tero Mäntyvaara wrote:
 I have used POP3 server now a few months, but I have forgot whitch
 one it was. :-/ How can I find out whitch server I am using? :-D

Is the server still configured in any application you are using?


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Re: pop3/imap con mbox

[Manolo Díaz]

Debian escribió:
 Buenos días lista.

 Mi pregunta es bastante simple pero llevó ya varias semanas buscando
 en google y nada.
 Existe algún servidor pop3/imap que funcione con mbox (/var/mail/usuario)

 Agradezco cualquier sugerencia.


Buenos días.

Que yo sepa dovecot y teapop pueden ser configurados de esa manera.

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Re: pop3/imap con mbox

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El 25/07/07 17:56, Debian escribió:
 Mi pregunta es bastante simple pero llevó ya varias semanas buscando en 
 google y nada.
 Existe algún servidor pop3/imap que funcione con mbox (/var/mail/usuario)

Hombre...

POP3/IMAP, tienes el uw-imapd. También tienes teapop, que _creo_ que también
funciona con imapd.

Hay varios proyectos que funcionan así. Yo, por ejemplo, tengo qpopper, que
no es más que un server POP3/POP3s, pero que funciona con /var/mail/usuario.

No sé,...igual no has mirado muy bien tú... 8-PP

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Re: pop3/imap con mbox

[Miguel Da Silva - Centro de Matemática]

Manolo Díaz escribió:

Debian escribió:

Buenos días lista.

Mi pregunta es bastante simple pero llevó ya varias semanas buscando
en google y nada.
Existe algún servidor pop3/imap que funcione con mbox (/var/mail/usuario)

Agradezco cualquier sugerencia.



Buenos días.

Que yo sepa dovecot y teapop pueden ser configurados de esa manera.

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Dovecot es una excelente opción. Me resultó bárbaro y fue mejor que 
uw-imap porque este último trae algunas configuraciones hard-coded y 
para cambiarlas hay que compilarlo. Un ejemplo es la carpeta donde se 
guardan las carpetas imap de los usuarios.


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Re: pop3 consola

[Rober Morales]

El Lunes, 24 de Abril de 2006 21:42, Felipe Törnvall N. escribió:
 al parecer mutt solo soporta correo local

no, prueba 
mutt -f pops://pop.gmail.com


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Re: pop3 consola

[Felipe Törnvall N.]

aca les mando mi solucion

aca les mando mi solucion


set from=Felipe Tornvall N.
set pgp_decode_command=gpg %?p?--passphrase-fd 
0? --no-verbose --batch --output - %f
set pgp_verify_command=gpg --no-verbose --batch --output - --verify %s %f
set pgp_decrypt_command=gpg --passphrase-fd 
0 --no-verbose --batch --output - %f
set pgp_sign_command=gpg --no-verbose --batch --output - --passphrase-fd 
0 --armor --detach-sign --textmode %?a?-u %a? %f
set pgp_clearsign_command=gpg --no-verbose --batch --output - --passphrase-fd 
0 --armor --textmode --clearsign %?a?-u %a? %f
set 
pgp_encrypt_only_command=gpg --batch --quiet --no-verbose --output - --encrypt 
--textmode --armor --always-trust --encrypt-to 
0xDAA772AD -- -r %r -- %f
set pgp_encrypt_sign_command=gpg --passphrase-fd 
0 --batch --quiet --no-verbose --textmode --output - --encrypt --sign %?a?-u 
%a? --armor --always-trust --encrypt-to 
0xDAA772AD -- -r %r -- %f
set pgp_import_command=gpg --no-verbose --import -v %f
set pgp_export_command=gpg --no-verbose --export --armor %r
set 
pgp_verify_key_command=gpg --no-verbose --batch --fingerprint --check-sigs %r
set 
pgp_list_pubring_command=gpg --no-verbose --batch --with-colons --list-keys %r
set 
pgp_list_secring_command=gpg --no-verbose --batch --with-colons 
--list-secret-keys %r
set pgp_autosign=yes
set pgp_sign_as=0xDAA772AD
set pgp_replyencrypt=yes
set pgp_timeout=1800
set pgp_good_sign=^gpg: Firma correcta
set pgp_verify_sig=yes



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On Monday 24 April 2006 15:48, marcos toro wrote:
 El Lunes, 24 de Abril de 2006 15:42, Felipe Törnvall N. escribió:
  al parecer mutt solo soporta correo local
 
  saludos !

 yo aca uso mutt con imap y tambien con pop3.

 investiga un poco.

 saludos cordiales,

 {...}




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Re: pop3 consola

[marcos toro]

El Lunes, 24 de Abril de 2006 15:07, Felipe Törnvall N. escribió:
 como va lista? el topic lo dice toodooo

 oigan alguien sabe de un programa  para leer pop3 via consola ¿? q
 soporte pgp... y  es posible mime tb


 gracias !

mutt?

saludos cordiales,

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Re: pop3 consola

[Felipe Törnvall N.]

al parecer mutt solo soporta correo local 

saludos !


On Monday 24 April 2006 15:20, marcos toro wrote:
 El Lunes, 24 de Abril de 2006 15:07, Felipe Törnvall N. escribió:
  como va lista? el topic lo dice toodooo
 
  oigan alguien sabe de un programa  para leer pop3 via consola ¿? q
  soporte pgp... y  es posible mime tb
 
 
  gracias !

 mutt?

 saludos cordiales,


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Re: pop3 consola

[marcos toro]

El Lunes, 24 de Abril de 2006 15:42, Felipe Törnvall N. escribió:
 al parecer mutt solo soporta correo local

 saludos !

yo aca uso mutt con imap y tambien con pop3.

investiga un poco.

saludos cordiales,

{...}

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Re: pop3 consola

[Felipe Törnvall N.]

vale voi  a ver como hacerlo


gracias !

On Monday 24 April 2006 15:48, marcos toro wrote:
 El Lunes, 24 de Abril de 2006 15:42, Felipe Törnvall N. escribió:
  al parecer mutt solo soporta correo locala
 
  saludos !

 yo aca uso mutt con imap y tambien con pop3.

 investiga un poco.

 saludos cordiales,

 {...}


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Re: pop3 consola

[Pedro Insua]

On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 03:42:41PM -0400, Felipe Törnvall N. wrote:
 al parecer mutt solo soporta correo local 

  Olá

  No es cierto, soporta POP3 e IMAP. Si tienes instalado el paquete
  'mutt', en la documentación encontrarás las respuestas:

   $ lynx /usr/share/doc/mutt/html/manual-4.html#ss4.11

  A mi para consola me parece el mejor cliente de correo(si bien es el
  que utilizo xD). Además para redactar mensajes hay un modo para
  Emacs,'post-el'. 

 
 saludos !

  Xau!

 
 
 On Monday 24 April 2006 15:20, marcos toro wrote:
  El Lunes, 24 de Abril de 2006 15:07, Felipe Törnvall N. escribió:
   como va lista? el topic lo dice toodooo
  
   oigan alguien sabe de un programa  para leer pop3 via consola ¿? q
   soporte pgp... y  es posible mime tb
  
  
   gracias !
 
  mutt?
 
  saludos cordiales,



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Re: pop3

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Re: POP3 no Debian

[André Carezia]

Nick Carolino wrote:

 Só quero receber e-mail de fora.

POP3 significa Post Office Protocol versão 3. Você pode compará-lo a uma
caixa postal em sua agência mais próxima de correio, no mundo real. Uma
vez por dia, ou uma vez por semana, você sai da sua casa e vai até a
agência de correio olhar sua caixa postal. Se tiver cartas, você pega e
leva embora.

Você já consegue enviar pelo Postfix, da mesma forma que você pega
cartas escritas para seus amigos, vai até a agência de correio e as
coloca em uma caixa com abertura retangular.

Seguindo a analogia, o que você quer é saber como o correio faz para que
as cartas *cheguem* à sua caixa postal. Ou seja, como o resto da
Internet pode fazer para enviar e-mail para você. Podemos ajudar você
nessa tarefa, mas precisamos de algumas informações.

Você tem um domínio registrado na FAPESP?
Você tem conexão Speedy, Virtua, discada?

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Re: POP3 no Debian

[cristiano]

Boa tarde lista!
Acabei de configurar o Postfix aqui em casa. O seviço de smtp esta 
funcionando corretamente, consigo enviar e-mail para qualker endereço.
Mas se uma pessoa resolver retornar o meu e-mail? Como posso 
configurar o POP3, para receber os emails externos? O que devo usar?

Obrigado!


Nick,

   Um boa opção é o Courier que pode implementar IMAP ou POP com 
mailbox ou maildir.

http://www.courier-mta.org/

At.

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Re: pop3/tcp failing und ipop3d lock

[Sebastian Kayser]

* Michael Gustav Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 mein POP3 Dienst erzeugt sporadisch folgende Fehlermeldungen.
 ...
 Dec 13 18:33:48 myhost inetd[5829]: pop3/tcp server failing (looping),
 service terminated

Die manpage des inetd als auch google geben über obige Meldung Auskunft.

http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/2260hq.html

Sprich, Dein inetd erhält mehr Anfragen innerhalb einer Minute, als
vorgesehen sind und inetd deaktiviert den Service erst einmal. 

 ...
 und
 ...
 Dec 13 19:52:26 myhost ipop3d[24320]: connect from ...
 Dec 13 19:52:26 myhost ipop3d[24320]: pop3 service init from ...
 Dec 13 19:52:26 myhost ipop3d[24320]: Trying to get mailbox lock from
 process 17345
 Dec 13 19:52:40 myhost ipop3d[24320]: Mailbox is open by another
 process, access is readonly
 Dec 13 19:52:40 myhost ipop3d[24320]: Error opening or locking INBOX
 user=apfel host=...
 Dec 13 19:52:40 myhost ipop3d[24320]: Login user=apfel host=... no mailbox
 Dec 13 19:52:40 myhost ipop3d[24320]: Expunge ignored on readonly mailbox
 Dec 13 19:52:40 myhost ipop3d[24320]: Logout user=apfel host=... nmsgs=1 
 ndele=0
 ...
 Die Clients erhalten ein timeout oder der Benutzer wird nicht akzeptiert.
 Wie kann ich zur Behebung diesen Fehelr  analysieren?

Da hängt wohl noch ein anderer Prozess auf der Mailbox. lsof
/pfad/zur/mailbox sollte Dir sagen, welcher das ist. Mit der Information
kannst Du dann weiter analysieren.

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Re: POP3 no Debian

[Rodolfo Barbosa]

Nick Carolino wrote:

Boa tarde lista!
Acabei de configurar o Postfix aqui em casa. O seviço de smtp esta 
funcionando corretamente, consigo enviar e-mail para qualker endereço.
Mas se uma pessoa resolver retornar o meu e-mail? Como posso configurar 
o POP3, para receber os emails externos? O que devo usar?

Obrigado!
Só alguns esclarecimentos. Você quer receber e-mails de domínios fora de 
seu a rede? Você tem um dns com o MX cadastrado? A seu problema com o 
POP3 é só para receber os e-mail's do seu MTA para o seu MUA, não é?


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Só quero receber e-mail de fora.Em 30/11/05, Rodolfo Barbosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu:
Nick Carolino wrote: Boa tarde lista! Acabei de configurar o Postfix aqui em casa. O seviço de smtp esta
 funcionando corretamente, consigo enviar e-mail para qualker endereço. Mas se uma pessoa resolver retornar o meu e-mail? Como posso configurar o POP3, para receber os emails externos? O que devo usar?
 Obrigado!Só alguns esclarecimentos. Você quer receber e-mails de domínios fora deseu a rede? Você tem um dns com o MX cadastrado? A seu problema com oPOP3 é só para receber os e-mail's do seu MTA para o seu MUA, não é?
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Re: POP3 no Debian

[Rodolfo Barbosa]

Nick Carolino wrote:

Só quero receber e-mail de fora.

Em 30/11/05, *Rodolfo Barbosa* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu:


Nick Carolino wrote:
  Boa tarde lista!
  Acabei de configurar o Postfix aqui em casa. O seviço de smtp esta
  funcionando corretamente, consigo enviar e-mail para qualker
endereço.
  Mas se uma pessoa resolver retornar o meu e-mail? Como posso
configurar
  o POP3, para receber os emails externos? O que devo usar?
 Obrigado!


Então o seu problema não é com o POP e sim com o seu MTA (PostFix, Exim, 
SendMail, etc) e/ou DNS.


Para você receber um e-mail de outro domínio, você precisas cadastrar na 
entrada MX do seu dmínio o endereço do seu servidor de DNS. Você precisa 
também configurar no seu MTA para quais domínios ele irá aceitar 
mensagens. Caso contrário ninguém consegue enviar mensagens para o seu 
domínio.


O POP3 é só para que o usuário receba as mensagens que estão armazenadas 
na caixa de entrada dele. Logo essas mensagens ja devem ter sido 
recebidas anteriormente pelo MTA.


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Re: POP3 no Debian

[Guilherme Rocha]

Em 29/11/05, Nick Carolino [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu:
Boa tarde lista!
Acabei de configurar o Postfix aqui em casa. O seviço de smtp esta
funcionando corretamente, consigo enviar e-mail para qualker endereço.
Mas se uma pessoa resolver retornar o meu e-mail? Como posso configurar
o POP3, para receber os emails externos? O que devo usar?
Obrigado!



Camarada, 

acredito que o link abaixo te ajude muito! ;)

http://focalinux.cipsga.org.br/guia/avancado/ch-s-pop3.htm

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Re: pop3-server im Nur-Lese-Betrieb?

[Sven Hoexter]

On Sat, Apr 16, 2005 at 08:45:28PM +0200, Spiro Trikaliotis wrote:
 Hallo,
 
 gibt es eigentlich einen pop3 Server für Debian, der allerdings nur den
 Lesebetrieb erlaubt?
Just for fun ein kleiner patch angehaengt der aus popa3d den support fuer
dele entfernen sollte. Ich wuerd mir aber eher ein anderen Notifier suchen.
Dazu hat ja schon jemand was geschrieben.

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--- pop_trans.c-orig2005-04-17 11:31:51.0 +0200
+++ pop_trans.c 2005-04-17 11:32:39.0 +0200
@@ -127,21 +127,6 @@
return POP_QUIET;
 }
 
-static int pop_trans_dele(char *params)
-{
-   int number;
-   struct db_message *msg;
-
-   number = pop_get_int(params);
-   if (number  1 || number  db.total_count || params) return POP_ERROR;
-   msg = db.array[number - 1];
-   if (db_delete(msg)) return POP_ERROR;
-#if POP_SUPPORT_LAST
-   if (number  db.last) db.last = number;
-#endif
-   return POP_OK;
-}
-
 static int pop_trans_rset(char *params)
 {
struct db_message *msg;
@@ -180,7 +165,6 @@
{UIDL, pop_trans_uidl},
{RETR, pop_trans_retr},
{TOP, pop_trans_top},
-   {DELE, pop_trans_dele},
{RSET, pop_trans_rset},
 #if POP_SUPPORT_LAST
{LAST, pop_trans_last},

Re: pop3-server im Nur-Lese-Betrieb?

[Spiro Trikaliotis]

Hallo Gerhard,

Gerhard Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:

 Hintergrund: Eigentlich setze ich hier nur IMAP ein. Jetzt wollen wir
 aber einen Mail Notifier (für Windows) benutzen, der aber nur POP3
 spricht (dafür aber mit 33 KB sehr klein ist).

 imapnotify ist recht klein. Die exe heißt inotify104.exe (zum Suchen,
 k.a. woher ich die habe). Bei Bedarf kann ich dir die auch per PM
 schicken.

Danke, ich habe es aufgrund der Bezeichnung gefunden:
http://www.vandyke.com/products/imapnotify

Gegen die 33 KB das Pop3 Checkers können die  800 KB natürlich nicht
anstinken. ;-) Ok, bei der Ausführung ist imapnotify sogar kleiner: Etwa
4 MB gegenüber 6 MB meines Pop-Checkers.

Also ist das die Lösung für mich. Dank dir!

Gruß,
   Spiro.

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Re: pop3-server im Nur-Lese-Betrieb?

[Gerhard Brauer]

Gruesse!
* Spiro Trikaliotis [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am [16.04.05 20:45]:

 gibt es eigentlich einen pop3 Server für Debian, der allerdings nur den
 Lesebetrieb erlaubt?

Dazu kann ich leider nichts sagen

 Hintergrund: Eigentlich setze ich hier nur IMAP ein. Jetzt wollen wir
 aber einen Mail Notifier (für Windows) benutzen, der aber nur POP3
 spricht (dafür aber mit 33 KB sehr klein ist).

imapnotify ist recht klein. Die exe heißt inotify104.exe (zum Suchen,
k.a. woher ich die habe). Bei Bedarf kann ich dir die auch per PM
schicken.

 Gruß,
Spiro.

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Re: Pop3 Fehler - mit welchem Tool manuel lösen?

[Alain M. Lafon]

Hallo,

Sprich doch einfach selbst mit dem Pop-Server.
Mit 
$ telnet host port #Port ist idR 110
verbindest Du auf den Server. Die Befehle, die Du sonst noch brauchst
sind:
user Benutzername
pass Passwort
list  - Gibt eine Liste der vorhandenen Mails zurueck
retr Nummer - Gibt eine einzelne Mail zurueck
dele Nummer - Loescht diese Mail
quit  - Schliesst die Verbindung

Viel Spass dabei.
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Re: Pop3 Fehler - mit welchem Tool manuel lsen?

[Robert Michel]

Salve Alain!

Herzlichen Dank! *g*

Alain M. Lafon schrieb am Mittwoch, den 16. März 2005 um 20:57h:

 Hallo,
 
 Sprich doch einfach selbst mit dem Pop-Server.
 Mit 
 $ telnet host port #Port ist idR 110
 verbindest Du auf den Server. Die Befehle, die Du sonst noch brauchst
 sind:
 user Benutzername
 pass Passwort
 list  - Gibt eine Liste der vorhandenen Mails zurueck
 retr Nummer - Gibt eine einzelne Mail zurueck
 dele Nummer - Loescht diese Mail
 quit  - Schliesst die Verbindung
 
 Viel Spass dabei.

Hat super funktioniert! Ich hate es wage im Kopf, das es mit telnet
gehen kann, aber nicht wie.  Die msg 86 konnte ich auch mit telnet
nicht lesen, aber immerhin löschen. Jetzt kann ich nicht sagen,
welche die defekte mail war und warum sie es war - Größe der
korrupten Mail 5641 Bytes.

Jetzt noch die Ergänzungsfrage was kann man gegen solche Vorfälle tun,
insbesondere wenn man mal 2 Wochen weg ist?

A - gibt es zu getmail ein skript, welches nicht lesbare mails löscht?
B - wäre mir dies mit IMAP nicht passiert?
C - mit welchem skript/tool/settings vermeidet man doppelte Mails in
seinem Mailverzeichnis.

Nach mehreren Tagen wäre die Partition mit dem Mailverzeichnis voll
gewesen und zusätzlich das POP3 Postfach übergelaufen...
diesmal ist es gut gegangen - auch dank Alains hilfe - also was macht
man/ich für die Zukunft besser?

Gruß
rob

Re: Pop3 Fehler - mit welchem Tool manuel lösen?

[Andreas Pakulat]

On 16.Mär 2005 - 21:34:54, Robert Michel wrote:
 B - wäre mir dies mit IMAP nicht passiert?

Das kommt drauf an, was genau das Problem mit der Email war...

 C - mit welchem skript/tool/settings vermeidet man doppelte Mails in
 seinem Mailverzeichnis.

Also ich nehme dazu procmail, da ich sowieso die Mails darueber
sortieren lasse... Die Regeln dafuer sehen so aus:

#kill duplicate Mails
:0 Whc: msgid.$FILE.lock
| formail -D 262140 msgid.$FILE.cache
#and throw duplicates in this folder
:0 a
duplicates/

:0
$FILE/

liegt bei mir in ner extra Datei und wird ueber INCLUDERC in die
Regeln eingebunden:

:0
* ^X-Loop:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
{
FILE=debian-user-german.$CURMONTH
INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/dupcheck
}

Prinzipiell koennte man auf diese Weise sogar die Duplikate pro
Mailbox/procmail-Regel wegsortieren lassen (und nicht alle in
denselben Ordner)

Das filtert bis zu einem gewissen Grad auch unerwuenschte CC's auf
ML's aus. 

 Nach mehreren Tagen wäre die Partition mit dem Mailverzeichnis voll
 gewesen und zusätzlich das POP3 Postfach übergelaufen...
 diesmal ist es gut gegangen - auch dank Alains hilfe - also was macht
 man/ich für die Zukunft besser?

Hmm, also wenn mein pop3-Postfach beim Provider ueberlaeuft, war ich
aber mind. ein halbes Jahr weg... Gegen Vollaufen einer Partition kann
man sich bestimmt schuetzen, mir fiele da ein cronjob ein der eine
Mail verschickt wenn nur noch 5% frei sind (natuerlich nicht an den
lokalen Account sondern eine im Internet abrufbare Adresse) oder aber
der dann den getmail einfach abdreht...

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Re: Pop3 Fehler - mit welchem Tool manuel lsen?

[Matthias Houdek]

Am Mittwoch, 16. März 2005 20:32 schrieb Robert Michel:
 Salve,

 ich nutze getmail um meine mails via pop3 abzurufen,
 bisher nie Probleme gehabt.

Hm, ich nehme fetchmail, aber evtl. kannst du das ja auf getmail 
übernehmen.

 Heute

 getmail started for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:110
   POP3 greeting:  +OK POP server ready H mimap21
   POP3 user response:  +OK password required for user postfach
   POP3 PASS response:  +OK postfach's mailbox has 219 messages
   (979308 octets) H mimap21
   POP3 stat response:  219 messages, 979308 octets
   POP3 list response:  +OK 219 messages (979308 octets)
   msg #1/219 : len 2609 ... retrieved ... delivered to
   postmaster, deleted
   msg #2/219 : len 4379 ... retrieved ... delivered to
   postmaster, deleted

 ...

   msg #86/219 : len 5641 ...   POP3 protocol error (-ERR internal
 error) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]:110)
  Resetting connection and aborting (POP3 protocol error (-ERR
 internal error) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]:110))
  getmail finished for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:110

Da scheint die Mail 86 eine Macke zu haben. Kommt selten vor (hatte ich 
aber auch schon mal. Da hilft IIRC nur ein manuelles Löschen auf dem 
POP-Server (z.B. via telnet , ggf. über ein Script).

 Interessanterweise bleiben msg 1-85 ungelöscht, 

Das ist normal, es werden zunächst alle Mails in einem Zug abgeholt und 
danach alle Mails auf einmal gelöscht. Bricht das Abholen irgendwo ab, 
kann das Löschen nicht starten.

In fetchmail gibt es dagegen die Option --flush. Damit werden alte Mails 
gelöscht, _bevor_ die neuen abgeholt werden. Mailverluste werden dabei 
in Kauf genommen! Ich verwende daher --uidl, damit wird eine Liste der 
empfangenen Message-IDs gepflegt und diese werden dann nicht erneut 
abgeholt.

 dank eine cron 
 häuften sich die Mails in meinem lokalen Verzeichnis.
 Die Multiple Mails habe ich mit mutt
 D (nach Muster löschen), '~=' (Muster multiple Mails) und $
 (markierte Mails löschen) einfach entfernen können.

 Nur mit welchen tool/trick kann ich msg 86 soweit wie möglich
 auslesen und manuel entfernen?

Da bleibt wohl nur ein eigenes Script, das das Logfile von getmail 
beobachtet und bei obigem Fehler die betreffende Mail via telnet killt.

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Re: pop3-client ala fetchmail

[Ulrich Frst]

Andreas Pakulat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 On 05.Feb 2005 - 22:25:14, Juergen Salk wrote:
  * Andreas Pakulat [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050205 20:53]:
  
   ich suche nen pop3-client ala fetchmail, der mir die Möglichkeit
   bietet Mails grösser als xKb nicht automatisch runterzuladen
   sondern mich zu fragen (Angabe von From:, To:, Subject:) ? Gibts
   sowas? Optimal wäre, wenn der trotzdem automatisch laufen könnte,
   und mir bei zu grossen Mails ne Mail zustellt, so dass ich dann
   per Hand starten und nachprüfen kann...
  
  man fetchmail | less -p limit
 
 Ja, nur funktioniert das soweit ich es sehe nicht so ganz mit
 fetchall, da ich dann nicht mehr an die Messages rankomm...
 
Aber Du kannst ja eine zweite fetchmailrc anlegen und dann wenn Du die
Mail bekommst das Nachricht xy nicht heruntergeladen wird, da zu groß,
diese ggf. mit 
$ fetchmail --fetchmailrc pathname der alternativen fetchmailrc
runterladen. oder eben flushen (evtl. dritte fetchmailrc) dann aber wohl
besser mit aliasen in .bashrc oder so. Sonst wirds unübersichtlich und
umständlich. (Isses ja so schon ;-) ).

Ulrich

Re: pop3-client ala fetchmail

[Andreas Pakulat]

On 05.Feb 2005 - 22:25:14, Juergen Salk wrote:
 * Andreas Pakulat [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050205 20:53]:
 
  ich suche nen pop3-client ala fetchmail, der mir die Möglichkeit
  bietet Mails grösser als xKb nicht automatisch runterzuladen sondern
  mich zu fragen (Angabe von From:, To:, Subject:) ? Gibts sowas?
  Optimal wäre, wenn der trotzdem automatisch laufen könnte, und mir bei
  zu grossen Mails ne Mail zustellt, so dass ich dann per Hand starten
  und nachprüfen kann...
 
 man fetchmail | less -p limit

Ja, nur funktioniert das soweit ich es sehe nicht so ganz mit
fetchall, da ich dann nicht mehr an die Messages rankomm...

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Re: pop3-client ala fetchmail

[Juergen Salk]

* Andreas Pakulat [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050206 10:28]:

   ich suche nen pop3-client ala fetchmail, der mir die Möglichkeit
   bietet Mails grösser als xKb nicht automatisch runterzuladen sondern
   mich zu fragen (Angabe von From:, To:, Subject:) ? Gibts sowas?
   Optimal wäre, wenn der trotzdem automatisch laufen könnte, und mir bei
   zu grossen Mails ne Mail zustellt, so dass ich dann per Hand starten
   und nachprüfen kann...
  
  man fetchmail | less -p limit
 
 Ja, nur funktioniert das soweit ich es sehe nicht so ganz mit
 fetchall, da ich dann nicht mehr an die Messages rankomm...

Hmm, die betreffenden Messages werden laut Manpage nicht als
seen markiert. Wozu braucht man dann fetchall? 

Wie dem auch sei: Vielleicht suchst Du eher sowas wie mailfilter.

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Re: pop3-client ala fetchmail

[Andreas Pakulat]

On 06.Feb 2005 - 11:19:56, Juergen Salk wrote:
 * Andreas Pakulat [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050206 10:28]:
  Ja, nur funktioniert das soweit ich es sehe nicht so ganz mit
  fetchall, da ich dann nicht mehr an die Messages rankomm...
 
 Hmm, die betreffenden Messages werden laut Manpage nicht als
 seen markiert. Wozu braucht man dann fetchall? 

schäm Hätte wohl erstmal schauen sollen was fetchall heisst, zumal
die fetchmailrc teilweise nur kopiert ist (aus dem Netz...)

Ok, das sollte also erstmal reichen...

 Wie dem auch sei: Vielleicht suchst Du eher sowas wie mailfilter.

Jaein, ich hab eigentlich keine Lust mir passende Regexes zu
überlegen, aber mal schauen...

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Re: pop3-client ala fetchmail

[Andreas Pakulat]

On 06.Feb 2005 - 11:19:56, Juergen Salk wrote:
 * Andreas Pakulat [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050206 10:28]:
 Wie dem auch sei: Vielleicht suchst Du eher sowas wie mailfilter.

Beinahe, ich will aber nicht das er die Messages löscht, die sollen
nur auf dem Server bleiben. Auf der anderen Seite ist mir fetchmails
limit-Option vielleicht doch etwas rudimentär :-( Mal schauen

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Re: pop3-client ala fetchmail

[Juergen Salk]

* Andreas Pakulat [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050205 20:53]:

 ich suche nen pop3-client ala fetchmail, der mir die Möglichkeit
 bietet Mails grösser als xKb nicht automatisch runterzuladen sondern
 mich zu fragen (Angabe von From:, To:, Subject:) ? Gibts sowas?
 Optimal wäre, wenn der trotzdem automatisch laufen könnte, und mir bei
 zu grossen Mails ne Mail zustellt, so dass ich dann per Hand starten
 und nachprüfen kann...

man fetchmail | less -p limit

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Re: POP3 geht ohne SSL nicht: Unknown AUTHORIZATION state command - Exim4 und ipop3d

[Alexander Schmehl]

* Martin Jürgens [EMAIL PROTECTED] [041219 01:36]:

 Wenn ich SSL in meinem E-Mail Client aktiviere, funktioniert alles
 einwandfrei.Ich würde gerne POP3 auch ohne SSL verwenden, nur finde
 ich keine Möglichkeit.

*hüstel*
Du weisst aber schon, dass dann Passwort und Daten im Klartext
übertragen werden?


 Hier mal die /etc/exim4/conf.d/auth/30_exim4-config_examples:

exim hat mit pop3 nichts zu tun.  exim ist ein MTA (mail transfer
agent), er nimmt Mails entgegen, und leitet sie weiter, mehr nicht.  Für
pop3 bzw. pop3s ist ein anderes Programm zuständig.


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Re: pop3 server????

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Sergio Basurto Juarez wrote:
Debian: Testing
Exim: 4.38
Hello everyone,
I have exim configured and working, the question is:
exim can be used as a pop3 server?
if not, which pop3 server is the best, I will
appreciate any feedback.
I want the users be able to get the mail from the
server via pop3.
Regards.


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I think by default the qpopper is instaled, please check:
#dpkg-query -l qpopper
But there are others:
#apt-cache search pop3
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Re: pop3 server????

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2004-12-09 at 07:29 -0800, Sergio Basurto Juarez wrote:
 Debian: Testing
 Exim: 4.38
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I have exim configured and working, the question is:
 
 exim can be used as a pop3 server?
 
 if not, which pop3 server is the best, I will
 appreciate any feedback.
 
 I want the users be able to get the mail from the
 server via pop3.

It might be best to leave the email on the server and tell them
to use IMAP to retrieve the data.  You then can ensure that the
mail gets backed up.  Depending on where you are and what the
company does, SARBOX may be an issue, also.

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