Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
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Mike McCarty([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 09/25/07 21:33, Mike McCarty wrote:
[snip]
USB keyboard? (I've always been leery of them, because of the
mutually-exclusive HID and {o,u}chi drivers.
Oops! I somehow neglected to specify...
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Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You need a more compliant girlfriend. Lucy Liu-bot comes to mind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Dated_a_Robot wtf did I just waste fifteen minutes reading? You do not point at wikipedia articles citing toons. Geez. It may have been an enjoyable episode *seen*, but read? Ick. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stupid question (was Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges)
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I don't like it, but I also don't like reloading. :-) Ah, ya puss! Burn a backup CD and do it. Think of all those doors opening up for you. You can try anything! =[8]-) -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stupid question (was Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges)
On Wed, 2007.09.26 12:52, Mike McCarty wrote: Fedora I would not recommend to anyone not interested in eternally fiddling with the machine, broken interfaces, and churn. It's for people whose hobbies include fiddling with new installs and reloading. I'm not into that, either, for these large machines. When I finally upgrade to another release, it won't be FC. The reason _I_ installed FC was that I got an employment contract, and was requested to build up a machine which could dual boot WinXP and FC for test on multiple platforms. Due to inertia and general laziness, I have not moved from FC2, which in FC terms is REALLY ANCIENT. I don't like it, but I also don't like reloading. :-) I started using Linux with FC2 (or FC3 maybe) and was just thrilled with it (with Linux, really). Then I got annoyed with FC's bleeding edge software and also decided that I shouldn't have to reinstall every 6 months in order to stay current. That's when I started using Debian (and was thrilled all over again). Now reinstalling is unnecessary and I can get as close to the bleeding edge as I want by using whichever distribution (stable, testing, or unstable). signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Stupid question (was Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges)
On 9/27/07, Owen Heisler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started using Linux with FC2 (or FC3 maybe) and was just thrilled with it (with Linux, really). Then I got annoyed with FC's bleeding edge software and also decided that I shouldn't have to reinstall every 6 months in order to stay current. That's when I started using Debian (and was thrilled all over again). Now reinstalling is unnecessary and I can get as close to the bleeding edge as I want by using whichever distribution (stable, testing, or unstable). I left Red Hat (pre-Fedora) because with each release they decided I needed fewer and fewer of the programs I relied on, like my window manager, or xlock. With Debian, I have hardly any locally compiled packages. With very few exceptions, it's all just *there*. -- Michael A. Marsh http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~mmarsh http://mamarsh.blogspot.com http://36pints.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: One of the later steps is to upgrade from latest sarge to latest-etch. Etch is now at r1. The tested upgrade path is r0. Since so much changed between r0 and r1, there may be problems; I don't know. Seems unlikely to me. We're talking about less change in the 4.1r1 release than happens in a given day in unstable. 37 packages were updated for non-security bigfixes, and 34 for security fixes. Security fixes shouldn't cause upgrade problems by definition, and the bug fixes were all made with a stable update in mind. I upgraded a box from sarge to 4.0r1 last month and it went just as documented in the release notes. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
Mike McCarty wrote:
These have (nearly) all been posted before, but some have requested
that they be reposted.
[snip]
Well, the story is under the thread about GNOME and multiple
queues on printers.
Thanks all for the helpful comments and such.
Michelle, I believe we've met before. You jumped into the
middle of a longish thread, and started making pejorative
comments right away. You might consider that.
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Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
Gabriel Parrondo wrote:
El mar, 25-09-2007 a las 21:33 -0500, Mike McCarty escribió:
[snip of something I can't help with]
She can't associate multiple queues with a single printer,
but there is already another thread about that. There is
currently no work around, but there is hope that using the
CUPS I/F directly may work.
Let us know when you try this out. I have several instances of each
printer created in cups each one with different configuration
(grayscale, color, color high quality) and it works great. Using gnome.
Really? I worked on that repeatedly with no success. Works
great on my machine (different distro, however). I wonder if
we need to do a
# apt-get update some-package
or sth like that.
So far, she's unable to get her printer to full functionality.
I kludged up a printer description which sorta works, but
not fully. It's an HP, but I don't at present recall the
exact model number. It is a combined Printer/FAX/Scanner.
So far, it just prints either in greyscale or color, depending
on how we've edited queue at the moment. We can't select different
print quality, color/greyscale, or any other options except by
editing the one queue associated with it. It is also supposed
to be able to read and print camera memory sticks, but that
only works in stand-alone mode, with no way to get the info
from the printer to the computer. Supposedly, this works
with THE OTHER OS, though that is unverified. Anyway, at
present it's running with my kludgy edit of another printer
description file, not one from Debian, and just as a simple
printer, it can't even do a realign. None of the other
functions are currently usable.
Does she have the hplip package installed?
I'm not sure that would help anyway given the way it's set up.
There was (is?) no proper printer definition file for
that printer. I kludged up another printer which is somewhat
close just to make it work with HPJIS, and renamed the file.
It may have HPLIP, but I doubt it.
It includes an app called hp-toolbox which let's you do all the tasks
you would do with the hp-director in WS (i.e. the cartridge
cleaning/realignment, see how loaded the cartridges are, etc)
This printer is pretty smart. It may not need so much.
I dunno. If I replace a cartridge, it _automatically_
runs some sort of alignment on itself.
But presently, we can't change the dpi etc. That's more
the kind of thing needed. I need a _proper_ printer def
file. Is there an apt-get which can be done to check for
additional printer defs? Making the scanner part and the
FAX work is another issue. She really wants the scanner
to work as well. I have no experience with SANE or any
scanner drivers on Linux.
Another issue which has never been posted: She installed more
memory. She had 512 MB RAM, and now has 1.5 Gig. Unfortunately,
Debian seems only to recognize just under 1.0 Gig. I haven't
looked on the web for a fix for that, so I haven't posted
here. Part of the reason I haven't gone searching for a
solution, is that her reaction to that was to purchase a copy
of Windows XP.
apt-get install linux-image-686-bigmem
Aha! Thanks!
She's sorta impulsive, sometimes.
Partly, she also wants access to a disc which was formatted
by Windows NT, and which she considers she has no access to
at present. (Not quite true, but I try not to argue with her
very much. It is true that she has some apps on there which
won't run under Debian.)
ntfs-3g if it is ntfs.
?
# apt-get ntfs-3g
?
It is indeed NTFS.
I dunno how much progress will be made, even if I can make
everything work by Saturday evening. She seems kinda to have
made up her mind. I have, um, limited influence over her
behavior. :-)
Well, the windows' been bought already...
Yeppers. But not opened. However F-PROT has been purchased,
and I suspect its a non-returnable kinda thing. I've
got one of those funny feelings that her mind is kinda
made up.
Mike
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Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
El mié, 26-09-2007 a las 01:17 -0500, Mike McCarty escribió: Gabriel Parrondo wrote: El mar, 25-09-2007 a las 21:33 -0500, Mike McCarty escribió: [snip of something I can't help with] She can't associate multiple queues with a single printer, but there is already another thread about that. There is currently no work around, but there is hope that using the CUPS I/F directly may work. Let us know when you try this out. I have several instances of each printer created in cups each one with different configuration (grayscale, color, color high quality) and it works great. Using gnome. Really? I worked on that repeatedly with no success. Works great on my machine (different distro, however). Same printer? I wonder if we need to do a # apt-get update some-package The update command doesn't take any arguments. or sth like that. [...] Does she have the hplip package installed? I'm not sure that would help anyway given the way it's set up. There was (is?) no proper printer definition file for that printer. I kludged up another printer which is somewhat close just to make it work with HPJIS, and renamed the file. It may have HPLIP, but I doubt it. I'm not sure if you ever told us what model the printer is... It includes an app called hp-toolbox which let's you do all the tasks you would do with the hp-director in WS (i.e. the cartridge cleaning/realignment, see how loaded the cartridges are, etc) This printer is pretty smart. It may not need so much. I dunno. If I replace a cartridge, it _automatically_ runs some sort of alignment on itself. But presently, we can't change the dpi etc. That's more the kind of thing needed. I need a _proper_ printer def file. Is there an apt-get which can be done to check for additional printer defs? Making the scanner part and the FAX work is another issue. She really wants the scanner to work as well. I have no experience with SANE or any scanner drivers on Linux. Maybe if we knew the printer model... But for hp printers there is: hplip-ppds, hpijs-ppds, foomatic-db-hpijs, hpoj, linuxprinting.org-ppds. You could also try with: apt-cache search ppd Another issue which has never been posted: She installed more memory. She had 512 MB RAM, and now has 1.5 Gig. Unfortunately, Debian seems only to recognize just under 1.0 Gig. I haven't looked on the web for a fix for that, so I haven't posted here. Part of the reason I haven't gone searching for a solution, is that her reaction to that was to purchase a copy of Windows XP. apt-get install linux-image-686-bigmem Aha! Thanks! She's sorta impulsive, sometimes. Partly, she also wants access to a disc which was formatted by Windows NT, and which she considers she has no access to at present. (Not quite true, but I try not to argue with her very much. It is true that she has some apps on there which won't run under Debian.) ntfs-3g if it is ntfs. ? # apt-get ntfs-3g ? apt-cache search ntfs-3g apt-get install whatever man apt-get Come on, work with me here! ;) It is indeed NTFS. Does she have windows installed? I usually see people using ntfs partitions without having windows installed, I fail to understand why... -- Gabriel Parrondo GNU/Linux User #404138 GnuPG Public Key ID: BED7BF43 JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only difference between theory and practice is that, in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente
Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
* Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007 Sep 26 03:22 -0500]:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 09/25/07 21:33, Mike McCarty wrote:
[snip]
USB keyboard? (I've always been leery of them, because of the
mutually-exclusive HID and {o,u}chi drivers.
Oops! I somehow neglected to specify...
PS/2 style keyboard
PS/2 style mouse
Keyboard works
PS/2 style keyboard
USB style mouse
Keyboard stops working
Same setup works with you-know-what.
I have two IBM ThinkCentre machines each with a PS/2 keyboard and USB
mouse that have been running Debian for well over a year with no
problems of any sort. They were updated to Stable/Etch this spring and
work like a hose. I suspect her machine has some flaky USB hardware.
I have plugged USB peripherals into my T23 laptop (keyboard and mouse)
and both devices just worked without my intervention. This has been
within the past 24 to 30 months. What version of Debian does she have
installed?
It will be interesting to see if the memory stick works with her
desktop and hub under XP. The fact it does work under XP with her
laptop does not rule out hardware incompatibility with her desktop
machine.
She's quite familiar with Windows XP. She uses it at work.
As do I and that experience has taught me to *never* use it at home.
In fact, my work laptop is not allowed on my home network.
How current is her Debian install?
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On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 09:33:43PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: My GF installed a USB mouse, and her keyboard went away. They work together with THE OTHER OS. IIRC (it's been a while) using a debug startup allows us to get up to a root login, and look around, but using ^D from there makes the keyboard go away. I can't tell if this is an X Window problem, or below that, or what. The current work around is to use an old PS/2 style mouse. The symptoms are just as if the keyboard were unplugged. There is no response whatsoever. Is this mouse plugged into the same troubling hub? My GF also can't mount a memory stick using a Dazzle USB I/F through a hub. A regular disc (Western Digital) mounts and runs fine on the same hub. When the Dazzle is plugged directly into the USB port on the machine, it can be mounted. This is extremely inconvenient, as all the USB ports on this machine are in the back, and it is inside an armoir. The workaround is to pull the machine out of the armoir, and leave it hanging out, and plug the Dazzle into the USB. This is something I have to do, as she is mobility impaired (paraplegic). Since I live several miles away, this is quite inconvenient. Another work around is to use the same hub and Dazzle I/F with Windows on a laptop, then e-mail herself using a dial- up connection, to an account she can read with Debian. This is slow, clumsy, and inconvenient as well. Do you have enough USB ports on the rear of the box? What about a few USB straight extension cords instead of HUBs. She can't associate multiple queues with a single printer, but there is already another thread about that. There is currently no work around, but there is hope that using the CUPS I/F directly may work. I've never tried CUPS. Partly because of all the troubles people seem to have. I've always had great luck with LPRng and apsfilter or LPRng and foomatic-printfilters (set up with foomatic-GUI if you like). The first option is easier if apsfilter had the driver for your printer. The second lets you use a cups printer ppd. LPRng does great with multiple queues. So far, she's unable to get her printer to full functionality. I kludged up a printer description which sorta works, but not fully. It's an HP, but I don't at present recall the exact model number. It is a combined Printer/FAX/Scanner. So far, it just prints either in greyscale or color, depending on how we've edited queue at the moment. We can't select different print quality, color/greyscale, or any other options except by editing the one queue associated with it. Using LPRng with multiple queues, one queue for each feature. It is also supposed to be able to read and print camera memory sticks, but that only works in stand-alone mode, with no way to get the info from the printer to the computer. Supposedly, this works with THE OTHER OS, though that is unverified. Anyway, at present it's running with my kludgy edit of another printer description file, not one from Debian, and just as a simple printer, it can't even do a realign. None of the other functions are currently usable. Another issue which has never been posted: She installed more memory. She had 512 MB RAM, and now has 1.5 Gig. Unfortunately, Debian seems only to recognize just under 1.0 Gig. I haven't looked on the web for a fix for that, so I haven't posted here. Part of the reason I haven't gone searching for a solution, is that her reaction to that was to purchase a copy of Windows XP. See your other answers re kernel options. Is she running Etch up-to-date? What CPU does this box have? Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:18:11 -0500
Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007 Sep 26 03:22 -0500]:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 09/25/07 21:33, Mike McCarty wrote:
[snip]
USB keyboard? (I've always been leery of them, because of the
mutually-exclusive HID and {o,u}chi drivers.
Oops! I somehow neglected to specify...
PS/2 style keyboard
PS/2 style mouse
Keyboard works
PS/2 style keyboard
USB style mouse
Keyboard stops working
Same setup works with you-know-what.
I have two IBM ThinkCentre machines each with a PS/2 keyboard and USB
mouse that have been running Debian for well over a year with no
problems of any sort. They were updated to Stable/Etch this spring and
work like a hose. I suspect her machine has some flaky USB hardware.
I have plugged USB peripherals into my T23 laptop (keyboard and mouse)
and both devices just worked without my intervention. This has been
within the past 24 to 30 months. What version of Debian does she have
installed?
I also regularly use a USB mouse on my laptop, in combination with
either the built in keyboard or the external, USB one mentioned in
another post in this thread, and everything just works; I've never
needed any configuration. I'm running Sid.
- Nate
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Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
Mike McCarty([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 09/25/07 21:33, Mike McCarty wrote:
[snip]
USB keyboard? (I've always been leery of them, because of the
mutually-exclusive HID and {o,u}chi drivers.
Oops! I somehow neglected to specify...
--snip--
Ok, so how does one get a newer kernel, install it, and get
all the memory available?
That question indicates, to me at least, that you don't know as much
about Debian as I thought you did. That's not your fault, I 'assumed'
to much. My answers, as well as others I think, assumed you knew more
than you do so were not as helpful as they might have been. Yes, I do
recall that you run FC but I didn't realize it had become a turn-key
distro. I haven't run RH since '92.
Admin'ing a Debian system requires the use of Debian tools and the
knowledge of how to use them. Reading the man pages of aptitude,
apt-cache, and dpkg would be a good start. She (you) do have those
packages installed, right?
{Hint:}
dpkg -l aptitude apt-cache dpkg
{/Hint:}
Maybe the problems your GF (you) have been running into are due to not
keeping her system up to date. Maybe she (you) didn't realize Debian
had that feature.
I don't recall you saying which dist your GF is using. Is she running
etch (stable) or what? That in important for us to be able to assist
you (her).
She (you) might try do a aptitude update aptitude upgrade to get,
whichever dist she (you) are running, up to date. That may fix some
of her (your) problems.
Updating a kernel is no more then finding the kernels available for
the dist she is running, and then running 'aptitude install
(linux-image|kernel-image)-kernel-version.
This will not require her (you) to do any compiling. If you want to
compile the kernel, look for, using apt-cache search,
(linux-source | kernel-source).
Pardon me for being somewhat addled, I'm getting too old for this...
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Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:50:44 -0500, Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Oops! I somehow neglected to specify... PS/2 style keyboard PS/2 style mouse Keyboard works PS/2 style keyboard USB style mouse Keyboard stops working I am afraid I cannot reproduce this. I have two machines, including my laptop, and I tried adding a USB mouse and keyboard to both, and they both worked. I think we need more details in order for us to be able to help solve this problem; and this might explain the lack of response earlier -- people might not be seeing the same issues, and thus can't debug it without more information. Same setup works with you-know-what. Then perhaps you-know-what _is_ the better solution, as far as you are concerned. I don't think we should be brow beating people into usding free software -- it should be their cohice. If they do not like what free software has to offer, and like some other solution better, we should respect that decision. [snip no fix yets] Ok, so how does one get a newer kernel, install it, and get all the memory available? $ apt-cache search linux-image $ aptitude install linux-image-foo of your choice $ update-grub (or the like, if you have not edited /etc/kernel-img.conf) $ reboot. She's sorta impulsive, sometimes. Partly, she also wants access to a disc which was formatted by Windows NT, and which she considers she has no access to at present. libntfs-3g12. Will need a FUSE-enabled kernel. Again, how to obtain and install? I believe it is already mountable and readable. I think with the kernel above, you should be able to mount an NTFS volume (mount -t ntfs) without using fuse. manoj -- Boys will be boys, and so will a lot of middle-aged men. Kin Hubbard Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
Nate Bargmann wrote:
* Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007 Sep 26 03:22 -0500]:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 09/25/07 21:33, Mike McCarty wrote:
[snip]
USB keyboard? (I've always been leery of them, because of the
mutually-exclusive HID and {o,u}chi drivers.
Oops! I somehow neglected to specify...
PS/2 style keyboard
PS/2 style mouse
Keyboard works
PS/2 style keyboard
USB style mouse
Keyboard stops working
Same setup works with you-know-what.
I have two IBM ThinkCentre machines each with a PS/2 keyboard and USB
mouse that have been running Debian for well over a year with no
problems of any sort. They were updated to Stable/Etch this spring and
work like a hose. I suspect her machine has some flaky USB hardware.
I suppose that is possible, though the BIOS and Windows have
no troubles seeing both at the same time.
I have plugged USB peripherals into my T23 laptop (keyboard and mouse)
and both devices just worked without my intervention. This has been
within the past 24 to 30 months. What version of Debian does she have
installed?
I'd have to check. I know it was installed within the last
couple of years. Actually, looking back in my e-mail records,
it was probably in Sep 2005. I don't think it has been updated
much if any since then. I updated her Thunderbird to 2.0.0.6
just the other day, but I don't see any reasonable possibility
to USB incompatibilities being resolved by that.
It will be interesting to see if the memory stick works with her
desktop and hub under XP. The fact it does work under XP with her
laptop does not rule out hardware incompatibility with her desktop
machine.
Yes.
She's quite familiar with Windows XP. She uses it at work.
As do I and that experience has taught me to *never* use it at home.
In fact, my work laptop is not allowed on my home network.
Dif'runt strokes for dif'runt folks, I guess. I don't and never
have particularly cared for any of the versions of Windows.
However, much of the touted vulnerability of Windows is more
due to it not protecting witless users from themselves than
inherent vulnerability. I used W95 for quite a number of years,
and never once got compromised.
Living behind a router with firewall enabled is a big help
in that regard. So is not doing dubious things like downloading
and executing programs in order to get new command line prompts
and cute icons.
How current is her Debian install?
From stable, but a little old.
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Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
Wayne Topa wrote:
Mike McCarty([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
Ok, so how does one get a newer kernel, install it, and get
all the memory available?
That question indicates, to me at least, that you don't know as much
about Debian as I thought you did. That's not your fault, I 'assumed'
to much. My answers, as well as others I think, assumed you knew more
than you do so were not as helpful as they might have been. Yes, I do
recall that you run FC but I didn't realize it had become a turn-key
distro. I haven't run RH since '92.
I know how to do the necessary admin with FC. Debian I'm much less
capable with. I wouldn't call FC turnkey. But it uses a completely
different set of admin tools.
Maybe the problems your GF (you) have been running into are due to not
keeping her system up to date. Maybe she (you) didn't realize Debian
had that feature.
Possibly. I'm aware that Debian must have a means for updating, but
I'll admit that I don't know the details of it. That's my failing,
not yours.
I don't recall you saying which dist your GF is using. Is she running
etch (stable) or what? That in important for us to be able to assist
you (her).
Stable.
She (you) might try do a aptitude update aptitude upgrade to get,
whichever dist she (you) are running, up to date. That may fix some
of her (your) problems.
That is certainly worth trying, at least.
Updating a kernel is no more then finding the kernels available for
the dist she is running, and then running 'aptitude install
(linux-image|kernel-image)-kernel-version.
This will not require her (you) to do any compiling. If you want to
compile the kernel, look for, using apt-cache search,
(linux-source | kernel-source).
Pardon me for being somewhat addled, I'm getting too old for this...
I haven't noticed that you are addled.
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Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:50:44 -0500, Mike McCarty
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Oops! I somehow neglected to specify... PS/2 style keyboard PS/2
style mouse Keyboard works
PS/2 style keyboard USB style mouse Keyboard stops working
I am afraid I cannot reproduce this. I have two machines,
Not surprising. If it were a common phenomenon, then it
would probably have been noted earlier. I do know that
at least one other person has experienced it.
[snip]
Same setup works with you-know-what.
Then perhaps you-know-what _is_ the better solution, as far as
you are concerned. I don't think we should be brow beating people into
usding free software -- it should be their cohice. If they do not like
what free software has to offer, and like some other solution better,
we should respect that decision.
In this case, it's her decision, not mine.
Again, how to obtain and install? I believe it is already mountable
and readable.
I think with the kernel above, you should be able to mount an
NTFS volume (mount -t ntfs) without using fuse.
That's what I observe. I put entries into /etc/fstab for her,
and the NT disc gets auto mounted with no problem. But she
still considers it no access. I think mostly because most
of the useful stuff on it is Windows NT executables.
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Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
Gabriel Parrondo wrote:
El mié, 26-09-2007 a las 01:17 -0500, Mike McCarty escribió:
Gabriel Parrondo wrote:
El mar, 25-09-2007 a las 21:33 -0500, Mike McCarty escribió:
[snip of something I can't help with]
She can't associate multiple queues with a single printer,
but there is already another thread about that. There is
currently no work around, but there is hope that using the
CUPS I/F directly may work.
Let us know when you try this out. I have several instances of each
printer created in cups each one with different configuration
(grayscale, color, color high quality) and it works great. Using gnome.
Really? I worked on that repeatedly with no success. Works
great on my machine (different distro, however).
Same printer?
No, not same printer.
I wonder if we need to do a
# apt-get update some-package
The update command doesn't take any arguments.
I'm not sure if you ever told us what model the printer is...
It's a relatively new HP printer. I don't happen to have
the model number on the top of my head.
But for hp printers there is:
hplip-ppds, hpijs-ppds, foomatic-db-hpijs, hpoj, linuxprinting.org-ppds.
You could also try with:
apt-cache search ppd
Ok.
Does she have windows installed? I usually see people using ntfs
partitions without having windows installed, I fail to understand why...
For many years this machine ran Windows NT. When she felt she
couldn't run NT any longer, and was tired of having not USB
support, she decided to try something else. I suggested trying
Linux again (she tried and didn't like RH 6.0) as it has come
a long way.
That disc is from before the Debian install.
Mike
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Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 09:33:43PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
My GF installed a USB mouse, and her keyboard went away.
They work together with THE OTHER OS. IIRC (it's been
a while) using a debug startup allows us to get up to
a root login, and look around, but using ^D from there
makes the keyboard go away. I can't tell if this is
an X Window problem, or below that, or what. The current
work around is to use an old PS/2 style mouse. The symptoms
are just as if the keyboard were unplugged. There is no
response whatsoever.
Is this mouse plugged into the same troubling hub?
Well, it's not plugge in at all, at the moment :-)
At the time we encountered the issue, the hub had
not yet been purchased. So, no the troubling hub
is not the problem.
[snip]
Do you have enough USB ports on the rear of the box? What about a few
USB straight extension cords instead of HUBs.
Yes, that might work. She has two ports on the machine.
One is free. I did suggest that to her. She just wants
it to work.
She can't associate multiple queues with a single printer,
but there is already another thread about that. There is
currently no work around, but there is hope that using the
CUPS I/F directly may work.
I've never tried CUPS. Partly because of all the troubles people seem
to have. I've always had great luck with LPRng and apsfilter or LPRng
and foomatic-printfilters (set up with foomatic-GUI if you like). The
first option is easier if apsfilter had the driver for your printer.
The second lets you use a cups printer ppd. LPRng does great with
multiple queues.
I've never had a problem with CUPS on my machine, nor with the
GNOME I/F to it. On her Debian machine, I've had problems with
the GNOME I/F to CUPS.
[snip]
See your other answers re kernel options.
Is she running Etch up-to-date? What CPU does this box have?
This is a dual Celeron MB with one Celeron installed, 1.7 or so
Gig clock.
Mike
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Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 11:53:03AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: I'd have to check. I know it was installed within the last couple of years. Actually, looking back in my e-mail records, it was probably in Sep 2005. I don't think it has been updated much if any since then. I updated her Thunderbird to 2.0.0.6 just the other day, but I don't see any reasonable possibility to USB incompatibilities being resolved by that. [...] How current is her Debian install? From stable, but a little old. From what you're saying I think she is running oldstable (sarge) and not stable (etch). It could make a big difference as etch has kernel 2.6.18 as opposed to 2.6.8 (or the default 2.4). Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/26/07 11:58, Mike McCarty wrote: Wayne Topa wrote: Mike McCarty([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: Ok, so how does one get a newer kernel, install it, and get all the memory available? That question indicates, to me at least, that you don't know as much about Debian as I thought you did. That's not your fault, I 'assumed' to much. My answers, as well as others I think, assumed you knew more than you do so were not as helpful as they might have been. Yes, I do recall that you run FC but I didn't realize it had become a turn-key distro. I haven't run RH since '92. I know how to do the necessary admin with FC. Debian I'm much less capable with. I wouldn't call FC turnkey. But it uses a completely different set of admin tools. Why did you push Debian on her, when your expertise lies in FC? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG+paRS9HxQb37XmcRAj1pAKCrblyOsSCQK+YTAsGUblbpJzTz5gCguauo mJdFcjeQCPCwhmUK9WRpbc8= =Ehyj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
Andrei Popescu wrote:
How current is her Debian install?
From stable, but a little old.
From what you're saying I think she is running oldstable (sarge) and not
stable (etch). It could make a big difference as etch has kernel 2.6.18
as opposed to 2.6.8 (or the default 2.4).
From stable as of Sep 2005.
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Ron Johnson wrote:
I know how to do the necessary admin with FC. Debian I'm much less
capable with. I wouldn't call FC turnkey. But it uses a completely
different set of admin tools.
Why did you push Debian on her, when your expertise lies in FC?
Push is a four letter word :-)
I got her a bunch of LiveCDs, and she ran them. Of them all
she liked Knoppix and Kanotix the best. Since they are both
based on Debian, that is what I suggested. One of the things
she liked best was that both of them did an excellent job
of recognizing and setting up hardware with little interaction
with the user.
Fedora I would not recommend to anyone not interested in
eternally fiddling with the machine, broken interfaces,
and churn. It's for people whose hobbies include fiddling
with new installs and reloading.
I'm not into that, either, for these large machines.
When I finally upgrade to another release, it won't be
FC.
The reason _I_ installed FC was that I got an employment
contract, and was requested to build up a machine which
could dual boot WinXP and FC for test on multiple platforms.
Due to inertia and general laziness, I have not moved from
FC2, which in FC terms is REALLY ANCIENT.
I don't like it, but I also don't like reloading. :-)
And, I don't consider myself expert at FC admin, either.
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Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 12:45:39PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: How current is her Debian install? From stable, but a little old. From what you're saying I think she is running oldstable (sarge) and not stable (etch). It could make a big difference as etch has kernel 2.6.18 as opposed to 2.6.8 (or the default 2.4). From stable as of Sep 2005. Okay, I think a lot of your problems would be alleviated by an upgrade to etch. Again, this is all predicated on the idea that she will give you a little more time to do this stuff. head over to www.debian.org and read up (at least browse through) the upgrade notes for etch. http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ especially review: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html and then edit /etc/apt/sources.list so that all references to 'sarge' are replaced with either 'etch' or 'stable'. (note, if they already read 'stable', then just review the release notes and proceed with the below). do a full upgrade: aptitude (or apt-get) update aptitude dist-upgrade there are some stuff on the release notes that you need to pay attention to and some things need to be done in a particular order, so the above is really only the last step. It will take a while, but when done, she'll be running 'etch' and probably many of the problems will simply go away. Certainly a lot of the printer issues will be resolved and the others may as well. hth. A ps. of course, back up etc. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 12:58:20AM -0400, Celejar wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:50:44 -0500 Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: [snipped the on-topic stuff] Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll sit in a boat and drink beer for a day. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/07/msg01537.html heh heh heh. that was fun. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/26/07 13:03, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 12:45:39PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: How current is her Debian install? From stable, but a little old. From what you're saying I think she is running oldstable (sarge) and not stable (etch). It could make a big difference as etch has kernel 2.6.18 as opposed to 2.6.8 (or the default 2.4). From stable as of Sep 2005. Okay, I think a lot of your problems would be alleviated by an upgrade to etch. Again, this is all predicated on the idea that she will give you a little more time to do this stuff. Or... since Mike's expertise lays in FC, use that instead. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG+p+7S9HxQb37XmcRAilFAKCGmAWR4RwxpWGQAm7AJg93DDnSygCgjPc+ 9y15udcT1ujsLy9uLa3bp9E= =Z8c/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 12:45:39PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: How current is her Debian install? From stable, but a little old. From what you're saying I think she is running oldstable (sarge) and not stable (etch). It could make a big difference as etch has kernel 2.6.18 as opposed to 2.6.8 (or the default 2.4). From stable as of Sep 2005. A new stable (etch) has been released early this year. There's already an r1. sarge is now oldstable. And the differences are quite significant. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
Okay, I think a lot of your problems would be alleviated by an upgrade
to etch. Again, this is all predicated on the idea that she will give
you a little more time to do this stuff.
Ok.
head over to www.debian.org and read up (at least browse through) the
upgrade notes for
[...]
It will take a while, but when done, she'll be running 'etch' and
probably many of the problems will simply go away. Certainly a lot of
the printer issues will be resolved and the others may as well.
hth.
So do I :-)
And, of course, it may not help, even if it helps. IOW,
her mind may (likely is) already made up.
ps. of course, back up etc.
Oh, yes.
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Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 09:33:43PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: __deletia__ Another issue which has never been posted: She installed more memory. She had 512 MB RAM, and now has 1.5 Gig. Unfortunately, Debian seems only to recognize just under 1.0 Gig. I haven't looked on the web for a fix for that, so I haven't posted here. Part of the reason I haven't gone searching for a solution, is that her reaction to that was to purchase a copy of Windows XP. __deletia__ Mike // i agree with andrew sackville-wes's recommendation to consider an upgrade to etch, the default kernel to which, for example, (just) sees my rig's 3mb of ram. luck. b. // -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 04:26:34PM -0600, bent. wrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 09:33:43PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: __deletia__ Another issue which has never been posted: She installed more memory. She had 512 MB RAM, and now has 1.5 Gig. Unfortunately, Debian seems only to recognize just under 1.0 Gig. I haven't looked on the web for a fix for that, so I haven't posted here. Part of the reason I haven't gone searching for a solution, is that her reaction to that was to purchase a copy of Windows XP. __deletia__ Mike // i agree with andrew sackville-wes's recommendation to consider an upgrade to etch, the default kernel to which, for example, (just) sees my rig's 3mb of ram. luck. b. // // oops--3gb of ram. sorry. b. // -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
Mike, Right now you're at Sarge. If you do an upgrade, consider: One of the first steps is to upgrade your Sarge. That will likely be a big download with the chance of breakage. One of the later steps is to upgrade from latest sarge to latest-etch. Etch is now at r1. The tested upgrade path is r0. Since so much changed between r0 and r1, there may be problems; I don't know. Since in the process of upgrading you'll end up replacing everything anyway, it may end up easier and faster to just do a reinstall. IIRC, the big problem is the keyboard/mouse combo. A basic install from the netinst.iso should let you test if Etch will fix that problem without you needing to totally reinstall all your packages. If it works, go ahead and finish installing. If it doesn't, go ahead with Windoes. The test itself should only take about 30 minutes once you have Etch's netinst.iso burned. Actually, I just thought of something. I've never used it, but the installer has a GUI version. I think it may be on netinst but I don't know. If it is, boot that and you can test the mouse/keyboard problem without touching the existing install. If it works, great, if not... Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Since in the process of upgrading you'll end up replacing everything anyway, it may end up easier and faster to just do a reinstall. Since the gf is likely to install Windows anyway, you might try persuading her to leave a goodly chunk of drive space unpartitioned, and then after Windows is installed, you can go to http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ and install Debian from there on the unpartitioned space, without downloading/burning a CD image. Then she can dual-boot and have the best of both worlds, and not actually leave Debian behind completely. If she's the geek she seems to be, she might just enjoy the process for the nerdiness of it. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, Douglas A. Tutty shared this with us all: --} One of the later steps is to upgrade from latest sarge to latest-etch. --} Etch is now at r1. The tested upgrade path is r0. Since so much --} changed between r0 and r1, there may be problems; I don't know. --} I have installed several machines with the first netistall etch CD since the above change and have found no breakages. Update and then upgrade have worked a treat. Just watch the prompts. I'll wish you no luck, because it's not required. Be well, Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 +++ A trout leaps; clouds are moving in the bed of the stream. - ONITSURA Debian - Just the best way to do magic.
Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 11:35:04AM +1000, Charlie wrote: On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, Douglas A. Tutty shared this with us all: --} One of the later steps is to upgrade from latest sarge to latest-etch. --} Etch is now at r1. ?The tested upgrade path is r0. ?Since so much --} changed between r0 and r1, there may be problems; I don't know. --} I have installed several machines with the first netistall etch CD since the above change and have found no breakages. Update and then upgrade have worked a treat. Just watch the prompts. You saying that you successfully installed Etch r0 and upgraded to Etch-r1. I should hope that works. I was commenting on upgrading straight from Sarge to Etch-r1. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You need a more compliant girlfriend. Lucy Liu-bot comes to mind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Dated_a_Robot wtf did I just waste fifteen minutes reading? You do not point at wikipedia articles citing toons. Geez. It may have been an enjoyable episode *seen*, but read? Ick. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, Douglas A. Tutty shared this with us all: --} On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 11:35:04AM +1000, Charlie wrote: --} On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, Douglas A. Tutty shared this with us all: --} --} One of the later steps is to upgrade from latest sarge to latest-etch. --} --} Etch is now at r1. ?The tested upgrade path is r0. ?Since so much --} --} changed between r0 and r1, there may be problems; I don't know. --} --} --} --} I have installed several machines with the first netistall etch CD since the --} above change and have found no breakages. Update and then upgrade have worked --} a treat. Just watch the prompts. --} --} --} You saying that you successfully installed Etch r0 and upgraded to --} Etch-r1. I should hope that works. I was commenting on upgrading --} straight from Sarge to Etch-r1. --} --} Doug. Apologies sorry in fact I read it as:- Since so much changed between r0 and r1, there may be problems; I don't know. Thinking that was a sentence in its own right. Wrong reading obviously. Sorry again. Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 +++ No one is injured but by himself. MICHEL DE MONTAIGNE Debian - Just the best way to do magic. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I don't like it, but I also don't like reloading. :-) Ah, ya puss! Burn a backup CD and do it. Think of all those doors opening up for you. You can try anything! =[8]-) -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/26/07 21:32, s. keeling wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You need a more compliant girlfriend. Lucy Liu-bot comes to mind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Dated_a_Robot wtf did I just waste fifteen minutes reading? You do not point at wikipedia articles citing toons. Geez. What better way to supply context to those (like you) who wouldn't get the Lucy Liu-bot reference? No, really, I'm seriously asking. It may have been an enjoyable episode *seen*, but read? Ick. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG+zuGS9HxQb37XmcRAqzvAJ9cKjgdSpQZyhrM8MYGaUs73Ix7eACfVJmT l/1kVSXFBM4ZIA2kzhmuJU8= =Ida8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/26/07 21:47, Charlie wrote: On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, Douglas A. Tutty shared this with us all: --} On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 11:35:04AM +1000, Charlie wrote: --} On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, Douglas A. Tutty shared this with us all: --} --} One of the later steps is to upgrade from latest sarge to latest-etch. --} --} Etch is now at r1. ?The tested upgrade path is r0. ?Since so much --} --} changed between r0 and r1, there may be problems; I don't know. --} --} --} --} I have installed several machines with the first netistall etch CD since the --} above change and have found no breakages. Update and then upgrade have worked --} a treat. Just watch the prompts. --} --} --} You saying that you successfully installed Etch r0 and upgraded to --} Etch-r1. I should hope that works. I was commenting on upgrading --} straight from Sarge to Etch-r1. --} --} Doug. Apologies sorry in fact I read it as:- Since so much changed between r0 and r1, there may be problems; I don't know. Thinking that was a sentence in its own right. If /home is on a separate partition, I'd install Ubuntu from scratch. She's a User, and it's user-oriented distro. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG+zxSS9HxQb37XmcRAr/wAKC/zaSCL+A21kyDb7Ll1QDMZHLzTACgu0XX Qp9IuPdqBu/UZRNZ1lX9Nr8= =bwx1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
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On 09/25/07 21:33, Mike McCarty wrote:
These have (nearly) all been posted before, but some have requested
that they be reposted. If you don't like reading stuff
YET AGAIN, then just skip this message, please.
My GF installed a USB mouse, and her keyboard went away.
They work together with THE OTHER OS. IIRC (it's been
a while) using a debug startup allows us to get up to
a root login, and look around, but using ^D from there
makes the keyboard go away. I can't tell if this is
an X Window problem, or below that, or what. The current
work around is to use an old PS/2 style mouse. The symptoms
are just as if the keyboard were unplugged. There is no
response whatsoever.
USB keyboard? (I've always been leery of them, because of the
mutually-exclusive HID and {o,u}chi drivers.
My GF also can't mount a memory stick using a Dazzle
USB I/F through a hub. A regular disc (Western Digital)
mounts and runs fine on the same hub. When the Dazzle
is plugged directly into the USB port on the machine,
it can be mounted. This is extremely inconvenient, as
I remember that thread. There are definitely issues with hubs and
passive devices like memory sticks.
[snip]
So far, she's unable to get her printer to full functionality.
I kludged up a printer description which sorta works, but
not fully. It's an HP, but I don't at present recall the
exact model number. It is a combined Printer/FAX/Scanner.
So far, it just prints either in greyscale or color, depending
on how we've edited queue at the moment. We can't select different
print quality, color/greyscale, or any other options except by
editing the one queue associated with it.
M/F printers have *always* been problematic under Linux.
It is also supposed
to be able to read and print camera memory sticks, but that
only works in stand-alone mode, with no way to get the info
from the printer to the computer. Supposedly, this works
with THE OTHER OS, though that is unverified. Anyway, at
present it's running with my kludgy edit of another printer
description file, not one from Debian, and just as a simple
printer, it can't even do a realign. None of the other
functions are currently usable.
I doubt you'll ever find a solution until HP creates OSS drivers for
hylafax and SANE.
Another issue which has never been posted: She installed more
memory. She had 512 MB RAM, and now has 1.5 Gig. Unfortunately,
Debian seems only to recognize just under 1.0 Gig. I haven't
looked on the web for a fix for that, so I haven't posted
here. Part of the reason I haven't gone searching for a
solution, is that her reaction to that was to purchase a copy
of Windows XP.
That's easy to solve. Will require a kernel rebuild, though.
However, Debian kernels have had CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y for quite some
time now. More than a year.
She's sorta impulsive, sometimes.
Partly, she also wants access to a disc which was formatted
by Windows NT, and which she considers she has no access to
at present.
libntfs-3g12. Will need a FUSE-enabled kernel.
(Not quite true, but I try not to argue with her
very much.
Tsk tsk tsk.
It is true that she has some apps on there which
won't run under Debian.)
Well duh.
I dunno how much progress will be made, even if I can make
everything work by Saturday evening.
Certain things will work wonderfully for her. She'll discover,
though, that the grass isn't greener, just a different variety.
She seems kinda to have
made up her mind. I have, um, limited influence over her
behavior. :-)
You need a more compliant girlfriend. Lucy Liu-bot comes to mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Dated_a_Robot
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Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:10:17 -0500
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
USB keyboard? (I've always been leery of them, because of the
mutually-exclusive HID and {o,u}chi drivers.
I use a Dell USB keyboard, scavenged from an old desktop. It just
works:
usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
hub 1-1:1.0: USB hub found
hub 1-1:1.0: 3 ports detected
usb 1-1.1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3
usb 1-1.1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
input: NMB Dell USB 7HK Keyboard as /class/input/input6
input: USB HID v1.00 Keyboard [NMB Dell USB 7HK Keyboard] on
usb-:00:1d.0-1.1
input: NMB Dell USB 7HK Keyboard as /class/input/input7
input: USB HID v1.00 Device [NMB Dell USB 7HK Keyboard] on
usb-:00:1d.0-1.1
usbcore: registered new interface driver usbhid
drivers/hid/usbhid/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB HID core driver
I haven't had to do any sort of configuration or tweaking whatsoever.
I'm willing to accept that I may just be lucky.
Ron Johnson, Jr.
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Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 09/25/07 21:33, Mike McCarty wrote:
[snip]
USB keyboard? (I've always been leery of them, because of the
mutually-exclusive HID and {o,u}chi drivers.
Oops! I somehow neglected to specify...
PS/2 style keyboard
PS/2 style mouse
Keyboard works
PS/2 style keyboard
USB style mouse
Keyboard stops working
Same setup works with you-know-what.
[snip no fix yets]
Another issue which has never been posted: She installed more
memory. She had 512 MB RAM, and now has 1.5 Gig. Unfortunately,
Debian seems only to recognize just under 1.0 Gig. I haven't
looked on the web for a fix for that, so I haven't posted
here. Part of the reason I haven't gone searching for a
solution, is that her reaction to that was to purchase a copy
of Windows XP.
That's easy to solve. Will require a kernel rebuild, though.
However, Debian kernels have had CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y for quite some
time now. More than a year.
Ok, so how does one get a newer kernel, install it, and get
all the memory available?
She's sorta impulsive, sometimes.
Partly, she also wants access to a disc which was formatted
by Windows NT, and which she considers she has no access to
at present.
libntfs-3g12. Will need a FUSE-enabled kernel.
Again, how to obtain and install? I believe it is already
mountable and readable.
[snip]
Certain things will work wonderfully for her. She'll discover,
though, that the grass isn't greener, just a different variety.
She's quite familiar with Windows XP. She uses it at work.
She seems kinda to have
made up her mind. I have, um, limited influence over her
behavior. :-)
You need a more compliant girlfriend. Lucy Liu-bot comes to mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Dated_a_Robot
:-)
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Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:50:44 -0500 Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: [snipped the on-topic stuff] Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll sit in a boat and drink beer for a day. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/07/msg01537.html Mike Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
El mar, 25-09-2007 a las 21:33 -0500, Mike McCarty escribió: [snip of something I can't help with] She can't associate multiple queues with a single printer, but there is already another thread about that. There is currently no work around, but there is hope that using the CUPS I/F directly may work. Let us know when you try this out. I have several instances of each printer created in cups each one with different configuration (grayscale, color, color high quality) and it works great. Using gnome. So far, she's unable to get her printer to full functionality. I kludged up a printer description which sorta works, but not fully. It's an HP, but I don't at present recall the exact model number. It is a combined Printer/FAX/Scanner. So far, it just prints either in greyscale or color, depending on how we've edited queue at the moment. We can't select different print quality, color/greyscale, or any other options except by editing the one queue associated with it. It is also supposed to be able to read and print camera memory sticks, but that only works in stand-alone mode, with no way to get the info from the printer to the computer. Supposedly, this works with THE OTHER OS, though that is unverified. Anyway, at present it's running with my kludgy edit of another printer description file, not one from Debian, and just as a simple printer, it can't even do a realign. None of the other functions are currently usable. Does she have the hplip package installed? It includes an app called hp-toolbox which let's you do all the tasks you would do with the hp-director in WS (i.e. the cartridge cleaning/realignment, see how loaded the cartridges are, etc) Another issue which has never been posted: She installed more memory. She had 512 MB RAM, and now has 1.5 Gig. Unfortunately, Debian seems only to recognize just under 1.0 Gig. I haven't looked on the web for a fix for that, so I haven't posted here. Part of the reason I haven't gone searching for a solution, is that her reaction to that was to purchase a copy of Windows XP. apt-get install linux-image-686-bigmem She's sorta impulsive, sometimes. Partly, she also wants access to a disc which was formatted by Windows NT, and which she considers she has no access to at present. (Not quite true, but I try not to argue with her very much. It is true that she has some apps on there which won't run under Debian.) ntfs-3g if it is ntfs. I dunno how much progress will be made, even if I can make everything work by Saturday evening. She seems kinda to have made up her mind. I have, um, limited influence over her behavior. :-) Well, the windows' been bought already... -- Gabriel Parrondo GNU/Linux User #404138 GnuPG Public Key ID: BED7BF43 JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only difference between theory and practice is that, in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente
