Re: Wally Lepore
Hi, Dňa Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:48:06 -0400 Wally Lepore napísal: > My absent from the list and this specific thread was simply > a decision to take 'pause', identify and correct my email problem. > > The debian-user list is the first active mailing list I've > joined in some 30 years being in computing and online. Don't worry, most of us are learning for whole life. There is no shame to stumble, a shame is remain lie down... ;-) regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Mail clients [was: Re: Wally Lepore]
Andrei POPESCU writes: > On Sb, 20 oct 12, 06:54:21, lee wrote: >> >> Wally wants to learn some C programming, thus I suggested he learn emacs >> and might use gnus and try out vim and/or joe, whatever he likes best. >> Perhaps I should have mentioned mutt as well, but mutt with imap can be >> rather awkward. > > Could you please elaborate on that? As far as I can tell it's just a > matter of configuring mutt correctly (the defaults are not really > optimal). Mutt + Gmail, now that is a challenge! Mutt isn't designed with the concept of folders in mind. It merely acknowledges the concept because the mails need to be stored /somewhere/. There isn't much I could elaborate. I was told mutt can be configured to make it less awkward to use with imap and I never bothered to figure out how to do that because I never really used it with imap because mutt is so awkward to use with imap :) I'm not really using imap anyway, and if I need it for some reason, I use seamonkey. Now if I seriously wanted to use imap, I'd set up gnus for it. And I'm not using gmail, either. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/874nlnddfg@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: Mail clients [was: Re: Wally Lepore]
On Du, 21 oct 12, 11:10:09, Erwan David wrote: > On 21/10/12 10:51, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Mutt + Gmail, now that is a challenge! > > > Not really, the challenge is mutt + heavy html emails... > GMail is easy once you activate imap and use mutt as an imap reader (in > that case it's better to use the header caching). Of course I'm using Gmail via IMAP ;) but it needs special handling: $ grep 'imap.gmail.com.*macro' .mutt/hooks_muttrc | wc 6 44 722 Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mail clients [was: Re: Wally Lepore]
On 21/10/12 10:51, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 20 oct 12, 06:54:21, lee wrote: >> >> Wally wants to learn some C programming, thus I suggested he learn emacs >> and might use gnus and try out vim and/or joe, whatever he likes best. >> Perhaps I should have mentioned mutt as well, but mutt with imap can be >> rather awkward. > > Could you please elaborate on that? As far as I can tell it's just a > matter of configuring mutt correctly (the defaults are not really > optimal). Mutt + Gmail, now that is a challenge! > Not really, the challenge is mutt + heavy html emails... GMail is easy once you activate imap and use mutt as an imap reader (in that case it's better to use the header caching). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5083bbf1.8020...@rail.eu.org
Mail clients [was: Re: Wally Lepore]
On Sb, 20 oct 12, 06:54:21, lee wrote: > > Wally wants to learn some C programming, thus I suggested he learn emacs > and might use gnus and try out vim and/or joe, whatever he likes best. > Perhaps I should have mentioned mutt as well, but mutt with imap can be > rather awkward. Could you please elaborate on that? As far as I can tell it's just a matter of configuring mutt correctly (the defaults are not really optimal). Mutt + Gmail, now that is a challenge! Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Wally Lepore
Neal Murphy writes: > On Friday, October 19, 2012 08:27:25 PM Chris Bannister wrote: >> ... >> > I will add that, if anyone does take the emacs+gnus route they will have >> a powerful and versatile system which a lot of developers/users swear by. >> >> On the other hand, a lot of developers/users swear by the vim+mutt route. > > Alas, not everyone who uses a computer is a developer. Wally wants to learn some C programming, thus I suggested he learn emacs and might use gnus and try out vim and/or joe, whatever he likes best. Perhaps I should have mentioned mutt as well, but mutt with imap can be rather awkward. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87wqyld9qa@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: Wally Lepore
Chris Bannister writes: > Huh? Last I looked, Gnus was a newsreader and requires emacs to be > installed. Look closer, it is a very powerful MUA as well. > Please don't confuse newcomers to Linux. I suggested that he learn to use emacs in some other posts. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/877gqletx3@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: Wally Lepore
> OK, Should I have said "Last I looked, Gnus was a newsreader but if > you jump through a few hoops and get used to a different paradigm it > can be used as an MUA. No more need to jump through hoops than with any other MUA. > If you know, and enjoy LISP then configuring it will be an enjoyable > experience."? No need for any elisp. All configuration can be done via menus. > A newcomer to Linux who is advised to use Gnus, should at least be > warned that they will be installing emacs. Installing Thunderbird pulls in libraries that are larger than Emacs. > On the other hand, a lot of developers/users swear by the vim+mutt > route. I use Emacs and Gnus, my wife uses Vi and Mutt. We're still married. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/876265q1si@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Wally Lepore
On Friday, October 19, 2012 08:27:25 PM Chris Bannister wrote: > ... > > I will add that, if anyone does take the emacs+gnus route they will have > a powerful and versatile system which a lot of developers/users swear by. > > On the other hand, a lot of developers/users swear by the vim+mutt route. Alas, not everyone who uses a computer is a developer.
Re: Wally Lepore
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 06:00:35PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Chris Bannister writes: > > Last I looked, Gnus was a newsreader... > > You didn't look very closely. Gnus works quite well for both news and > email and offers all the advantages of a newsreader such as groups, > killfiles, scoring, and threading. It is intended to be used for both. Ahh. OK, Should I have said "Last I looked, Gnus was a newsreader but if you jump through a few hoops and get used to a different paradigm it can be used as an MUA. If you know, and enjoy LISP then configuring it will be an enjoyable experience."? > > ...and requires emacs to be installed. > > So what? A newcomer to Linux who is advised to use Gnus, should at least be warned that they will be installing emacs. I will add that, if anyone does take the emacs+gnus route they will have a powerful and versatile system which a lot of developers/users swear by. On the other hand, a lot of developers/users swear by the vim+mutt route. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121020002725.GC11895@tal
Re: Wally Lepore
> I used emacs back when it was written in TECO and have used a few > flavors since. So have I, but I also use the current version. Hint: it has _menus_. > I'd *never* advise a new user to use emacs. I would. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ehkuowwz@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Wally Lepore
On Friday, October 19, 2012 07:00:35 PM John Hasler wrote: > > ...and requires emacs to be installed. > > So what? I used emacs back when it was written in TECO and have used a few flavors since. I'd *never* advise a new user to use emacs. They have enough to learn; they don't need to double or triple the load, or steepen the learning curve.
Re: Wally Lepore
Chris Bannister writes: > Last I looked, Gnus was a newsreader... You didn't look very closely. Gnus works quite well for both news and email and offers all the advantages of a newsreader such as groups, killfiles, scoring, and threading. It is intended to be used for both. > ...and requires emacs to be installed. So what? -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ipa6oyng@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Wally Lepore
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 05:37:03PM +0200, lee wrote: > Wally Lepore writes: > > > In fact, its very time consuming to have to structure emails in that > > fashion and its not something I look forward to. > > A decent MUA would make things a lot easier for you. Gnus is said to > work well with gmail. Huh? Last I looked, Gnus was a newsreader and requires emacs to be installed. Please don't confuse newcomers to Linux. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121019222643.GG7861@tal
Re: Wally Lepore
Lisi writes: > considerable lengths to try and get him there. I have even been told that I > should be ashamed of myself for telling him to just grab the bull by the > horns and do it. That is a misunderstanding. What I've been trying to say is that there's someone who's trying to actually do what we apparently always want people to do, i. e. read the documentation and really try to learn things and then ask good questions. In this case, the purpose of that seemed to be to get things done the right way, avoiding mistakes that can create difficulties and having to install again --- which can be more complicated than starting with a blank disk because you'll want to keep your data. That's something I found delightful, and I can understand when someone wants to know in advance what's supposed to happen when they do this or that. And our reaction to that is like "yuck, you're asking too many questions and we're getting tired of that so just try it out and make mistakes and end up installing again like we all did". There's something wrong with that, imho. It's just like: "What happens to the data on my /home partition when I run mkfs on it?" "Just try it and see what happens and if you don't like the result, just install again. What do you have to lose?" If I was Wally, I would disconnect the other disk before installing because otherwise, something could go wrong or I could make a mistake and lose what's on that disk. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87haprhlp6@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: Wally Lepore
Lisi writes: > It is getting beyond a joke. I can certainly say that I emphatically do not > want a _personal_ copy in addition to the mailing list one. This is a > problem that I have never met before, hope never to meet again, and it is > ridiculous. It happens from time to time on various lists since there's no general agreement about what to do. I made a folder I move such messages into, and that solves the problem for me. I don't understand how a few mails can cause so much inconvenience for you. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87zk3jg4v2@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: Wally Lepore - last words.
Wally Lepore writes: > feeling. I only replied to two email addresses: Lisi and the user-list > (reply-all). That is exactly what Lisi doesn't want you to do. She wants you to reply to the list only and *not* to her address. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87r4ovg3yp@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: Wally Lepore
Wally Lepore writes: > In fact, its very time consuming to have to structure emails in that > fashion and its not something I look forward to. A decent MUA would make things a lot easier for you. Gnus is said to work well with gmail. > I read all your posts in this thread and to be honest I became lost in > all the back and forth details in regards to email-filters, archives, > CC, Bcc etc. My gosh, is there an Acc? :) See http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc0822.txt --- there's a bit more to it than that, though. > Perhaps it would also be helpful if the debian user-list allowed > editing and deleting of email posts by their respective authors. If > that were available, perhaps I would consider cleaning up most of my > apparent 'redundant' posts. That would involve modifying the mails stored on recipients computers, in backups, mailing list archives and where ever else. I don't like the idea of someone else modifying data I have stored somewhere ... > Please consider emailing the debian-user admin and request removal of > this thread that contains my name on the subject line. Why would anyone do that? -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/877gqnhjvk@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: Wally Lepore
Jon Dowland writes: > failings. The mails you are receiving will have a proper List-Id > header. They are CCs and, of course, don't have a List-Id header. Even if they had one: If your filtering puts mails addressed to you through a CC header somewhere else just because it contains a List-Id header, then your filtering is misconfigured. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87vce7g4mw@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: Re: Wally Lepore - last words.
On Tue, 2012-10-16 at 20:02 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote: > what on earth is 'kill-file him' http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=%2Fdev%2Fnull http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki//dev/null -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1350434928.1236.304.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: Re: Wally Lepore - last words.
On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 02:48 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2012-10-16 at 20:02 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote: > > what on earth is 'kill-file him' > > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=%2Fdev%2Fnull > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki//dev/null Apologize, she refers to a Newsreader function http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_file -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1350435056.1236.306.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: Re: Wally Lepore - last words.
> The mail user agent Evolution, GNOME's mailer, easily can be configured > to reply only to the mailing list. > Edit > Preferences > Composer Preferences > [x] Group Rely goes only to > mailing list, if possible > Checked or unchecked it's always possible, instead of pushing the Group > Reply button, to push the arrow beside the button and to "Reply to All" > or "Rely to List", also available by shortcuts. > At the moment Wally perhaps is using a Microsoft MUA, can't see it in > the headers. Hi Ralf and user list members, I truly apologize for all this clutter but I have no idea what is going on. I checked the email I sent to Lisi (apologizing again) and my reply was as if someone else wrote the email. I just get that feeling. I only replied to two email addresses: Lisi and the user-list (reply-all). I don't see anything in the header that shows more than two email addresses. I also received an email from Lisi with a warning that was attached by google. It read: ***This message may not have been sent by: lisi.re...@gmail.com Learn more Report phishing I have no idea what is going on. By the way, what on earth is 'kill-file him'. I feel bad. I have no idea what's going on. I'm just trying to learn Debian. Regards Wally Hth, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caldxikramq1eynjgehq6xtiukzmnmhu6u256w3kq4jtavx-...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Wally Lepore - last words.
The mail user agent Evolution, GNOME's mailer, easily can be configured to reply only to the mailing list. Edit > Preferences > Composer Preferences > [x] Group Rely goes only to mailing list, if possible Checked or unchecked it's always possible, instead of pushing the Group Reply button, to push the arrow beside the button and to "Reply to All" or "Rely to List", also available by shortcuts. At the moment Wally perhaps is using a Microsoft MUA, can't see it in the headers. Hth, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1350430503.1236.239.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: Wally Lepore - last words.
I replied to Wally off-list. This whole thing is getting ridiculous. He says he has learnt - then promptly does it again! I shall not reply again. To the great relief, I am sure, of some, if he emails me off list again, I shall simply kill-file him, as several of you have suggested. On Tuesday 16 October 2012 21:41:28 Wally Lepore wrote: [snip] Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201210162350.12335.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Wally Lepore
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Looking at the archives I see that his replies do address a lot of > people who have not even participated in the thread (yet), for example > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/10/msg00603.html Andrei, Appreciate your advice but please read my post again. Everyone I included in that post is involved and has -in fact- responded to the mentioned thread. > > Wally, please don't address your mails directly to people unless > specifically asked to. > > I apologize to you and the list for my own breach of the CoC (one should > not complain on list about CCs). Will comply. Thank you Andrei Wally -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CALDXikoUt81MScWUXfeOS=4t+qrm3fwhg7gsawkshbqfaec...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Wally Lepore
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Lisi wrote: > On Tuesday 16 October 2012 10:06:30 Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> [changed the subject since it has nothing to do with Wally] > > My request does have something to do with Wally, in fact everything to do with > him. It is his emails that are generating this enormous number of private > emails. He sends private copies to people, and everyone else then just > clicks on "reply all". I have belonged to this list for a good many years > and this has _never_ happened before. It is specifically Wally's emails that > I am asking people not to send me. The list exists for that. There's an old saying, "Keep your reply short, its most memorable". Well I feel -in this case- 'short' is not appropriate. And memorable? Booting Debian was memorable. Truly a most memorable day! You were most supportive in helping me achieve that mission. Lisi, I thought we already addressed this matter. It was a simple email miscalculation. That's all! You brought this concern to my attention yesterday and I politely explained what happened. I corrected my mailing-list error, apologized and moved on. Over and done with. >He sends private copies to people, and everyone else then just > clicks on "reply all" I had no idea it would cause such an issue. I'm sorry about that. I did it one time! You make it sound like this is my mode of operation. I did it one time! I sent the private replies in a small series under the same thread to 'apparently' save time in communication and responding. It was a mistake. Fixed! In fact, its very time consuming to have to structure emails in that fashion and its not something I look forward to. I simply thought I it would speed things up. It was a simple mistake. Its corrected. Won't happen again! Perhaps yesterday, I was not clear and will explain myself once again. I could not keep up with all the helpful replies (to my questions) and figured that I would answer all posts by including those who participated in helping. That's all! Nothing more. I now understand that it was not the best way to communicate. I was made aware of my error, learned much and the rudder of the ship has been adjusted to steer 'back-on-course'. It is very difficult and time consuming to try and keep up with all the helpful replies, type long email responses, ask questions, work at my job, and meet the needs of my family. All in a single day! Thus to save time, I thought I could speed up the conversation and move it forward. I simply wanted to be sure that those few participants in the current thread were informed of my responses as I was not sure if all were being read on-list. I thought that was part of the etiquette process. Leaving replies unanswered (I thought) would not generate future help. Therefore, as simple as most of my reply have been, it tells those who have posted that I did -in fact- read their message. That's all. My questions may seem repetitive due to the fact that over 90% of the replies have been well above my current threshold of understanding. This mailing-list includes very intelligent Debian-users and programmers (like yourself) who are very patient and do their best to help newcomers. I understand your concern and continue to learn, comply, remain patient and re-read the replies over and over until I begin to understand. I read all your posts in this thread and to be honest I became lost in all the back and forth details in regards to email-filters, archives, CC, Bcc etc. My gosh, is there an Acc? :) Too much, too long. I only have so much space reserved in my brain for confusion and that space is currently reserved for Linux. Please let it be known that the debian-user 'code of conduct' is NOT ignored and IS complied with on a best efforts. Mistakes will accidentally occur and will be corrected. Trust me on this one I (like all of us) have limited time. I have been considering installing Linux for years but the down-time in doing so was not afforded. I finally found the time to get involved and in doing so, I approach the opportunity very methodically. I jumped to the other-side of the fence to see what's going on. To learn about GNU/Linux. Isn't that called Opportunity? Progress? Knowledge? Sharing? I am very thorough in my approach and delicately consider every message before its posted. At times (like all of us) we are exhausted from working a thread all day, become less proficient and make mistakes. It just happens at times. Perhaps it would also be helpful if the debian user-list allowed editing and deleting of email posts by their respective authors. If that were available, perhaps I would consider cleaning up most of my apparent 'redundant' posts. Your feelings in regards to certain replies from other users have certainly caused you unwarranted stress. I understand your concern but let it be known, your reply to my question that said, "just grab the bull by the horns and do it" was excellent encouragement. As a result, it forced
Re: [was: Re: Wally Lepore]
On Tue, 2012-10-16 at 10:44 +0100, Lisi wrote: > This is turning into a flame C'mon ;)! Btw. I hope my subject fit to the needs of both of you. Everybody subscribed to a mailing list, should use software that is able to handle all kinds of annoyance. In Germany we say "Der beweglichere macht platz!" "The more mobile clears the way for the less mobile!" This does mean, a young man on his skateboard takes care to clear the way for the grandma with the wheeled walker, but it also does mean that the person with more knowledge (agility), takes care about the person with less knowledge, without air of condescension. Not to confuse with the idiom "Der Klügere gibt nach!" "The cleverer give in." because nobody gives in to somebody else. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1350397647.1236.33.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: Wally Lepore
On Ma, 16 oct 12, 11:54:51, Lisi wrote: > On Tuesday 16 October 2012 11:35:39 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > In this particular case I don't think Wally needs help, just a bit more > > confidence in his abilities ;) but I have received lots of CCs in the > > past as well. > > Yes, so have I. But I am currently getting 95% or more of my personal email > from or about Wally. This has never happened before, and is causing me > considerable inconvenience. I have a fair number of filters set up that > place all list email in separate folders. But I do still have some personal > emails. Looking at the archives I see that his replies do address a lot of people who have not even participated in the thread (yet), for example http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/10/msg00603.html Wally, please don't address your mails directly to people unless specifically asked to. I apologize to you and the list for my own breach of the CoC (one should not complain on list about CCs). Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Wally Lepore
I for one am tired of reading OT threads about people's own mail filtering failings. The mails you are receiving will have a proper List-Id header. If your mailer cannot filter on them, then please fix your mailer or change it, don't clog thie list with more irrelevance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121016110120.GC15436@debian
Re: Wally Lepore
On Tuesday 16 October 2012 11:35:39 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > In this particular case I don't think Wally needs help, just a bit more > confidence in his abilities ;) but I have received lots of CCs in the > past as well. Yes, so have I. But I am currently getting 95% or more of my personal email from or about Wally. This has never happened before, and is causing me considerable inconvenience. I have a fair number of filters set up that place all list email in separate folders. But I do still have some personal emails. As I say, I have never in all the years I have been on this list had anything like this magnitude of an inconvenience. And I agree that Wally just needs more confidence, and I have gone to considerable lengths to try and get him there. I have even been told that I should be ashamed of myself for telling him to just grab the bull by the horns and do it. (Whatever it is that time.) But I just can't cope with the volume I am getting in my personal folder. I will look again at whether I can word a filter so that it does not exclude personal emails from list members, which I have no desire to do, but does exclude copies of things that are also going to the list. I mostly filter via my email client. The only type of filtering that I do in Gmail is null-filing. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201210161154.51232.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Wally Lepore
On Ma, 16 oct 12, 10:21:00, Lisi wrote: > On Tuesday 16 October 2012 10:06:30 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > [changed the subject since it has nothing to do with Wally] > > My request does have something to do with Wally, in fact everything to do > with > him. It is his emails that are generating this enormous number of private > emails. He sends private copies to people, and everyone else then just > clicks on "reply all". I have belonged to this list for a good many years > and this has _never_ happened before. It is specifically Wally's emails that > I am asking people not to send me. The list exists for that. In my experience the amount of CCs increases with the amount of own posts. Yes, depending on who participates, it may be more likely to get CCs in one thread rather than others, but I don't think it's quite fair to point out Wally specifically. > > Unfortunately the CoC is ignored a lot in this regard. You could set up > > a filter in Gmail to archive or delete such mails if you are 100% sure > > you don't need them. > > Yes, I know. But I don't actually want to filter the emails about and from > Wally, I just don't want the deluge I am getting of private emails. The list > exists for that, and I do filter the list to be separate. Sorry, I made unfounded assumptions about your mail setup. If you use Gmail exclusively[1] it might be enough to add the "Skip Inbox" action to your already existing debian-user filter, but my point is: it should be possible to create or adjust existing filters so that you filter out only the annoyances. [1] I'm receiving all list mail to a completely different account, to avoid a Gmail quirk. I generally don't recommend technical solutions to social problems, but in this particular case I don't see any other viable solution. > I can only assume that you have not tried to help Wally and been deluged in > this way. In this particular case I don't think Wally needs help, just a bit more confidence in his abilities ;) but I have received lots of CCs in the past as well. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Wally Lepore
On Tuesday 16 October 2012 10:22:27 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 16 oct 12, 12:06:30, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Unfortunately the CoC is ignored a lot in this regard. You could set up > > a filter in Gmail to archive or delete such mails if you are 100% sure > > you don't need them. > > To elaborate on the filter: > > In the Gmail web interface type this in the search box: > > to:debian-user@lists.debian.org OR cc:debian-user@lists.debian.org > > and look through the results (this will match all your messages as > well). If you are sure you don't ever need them in your Inbox expand the > the search box like a drop-down menu and click on "Create filter with > this search". The "Mark as read" and "Skip Inbox" actions should do what > you want. I know that, thank you. I have done it frequently. I don't want to filter all Wally's emails and all the replies to the list. You have clearly not understood at all, because you are telling me how to filter out Wally's stuff to the list. I do want to help and follow. I do _not_ want the emails about Wally sent to me as well as to the list. It is getting beyond a joke. I can certainly say that I emphatically do not want a _personal_ copy in addition to the mailing list one. This is a problem that I have never met before, hope never to meet again, and it is ridiculous. This is turning into a flame and I have no wish to quarrel with you. You are not getting deluged so it doesn't inconvenience you. Fine. You don't understand the problem. Fine. But please everyone else, just send the replies to Wally's stuff to the list and not to me personally as well. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201210161044.02400.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: List messages CCd to persons [was: Re: Wally Lepore]
On Ma, 16 oct 12, 12:06:30, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Unfortunately the CoC is ignored a lot in this regard. You could set up > a filter in Gmail to archive or delete such mails if you are 100% sure > you don't need them. To elaborate on the filter: In the Gmail web interface type this in the search box: to:debian-user@lists.debian.org OR cc:debian-user@lists.debian.org and look through the results (this will match all your messages as well). If you are sure you don't ever need them in your Inbox expand the the search box like a drop-down menu and click on "Create filter with this search". The "Mark as read" and "Skip Inbox" actions should do what you want. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Wally Lepore
On Tuesday 16 October 2012 10:06:30 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > [changed the subject since it has nothing to do with Wally] My request does have something to do with Wally, in fact everything to do with him. It is his emails that are generating this enormous number of private emails. He sends private copies to people, and everyone else then just clicks on "reply all". I have belonged to this list for a good many years and this has _never_ happened before. It is specifically Wally's emails that I am asking people not to send me. The list exists for that. > On Ma, 16 oct 12, 09:29:45, Lisi wrote: > > Please, everyone, could _everybody_ stop sending Wally Lepore messages to > > my npersonal inbox. It is becoming a real nuisance. I keep list > > separately for a reason. > > > > I realise that you may need to be sure to eliminate my name from the list > > if you want to "reply all", but if we can break this cycle I am sure that > > I will not be the only one to benefit. > > > > I would have thought, in fact, that "reply list" is to be preferred > > anyway. The Debian Code of Conduct says only to send a copy to an > > individual if it is expressly requested. > > Unfortunately the CoC is ignored a lot in this regard. You could set up > a filter in Gmail to archive or delete such mails if you are 100% sure > you don't need them. Yes, I know. But I don't actually want to filter the emails about and from Wally, I just don't want the deluge I am getting of private emails. The list exists for that, and I do filter the list to be separate. I can only assume that you have not tried to help Wally and been deluged in this way. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201210161021.00567.lisi.re...@gmail.com
List messages CCd to persons [was: Re: Wally Lepore]
[changed the subject since it has nothing to do with Wally] On Ma, 16 oct 12, 09:29:45, Lisi wrote: > Please, everyone, could _everybody_ stop sending Wally Lepore messages to my > npersonal inbox. It is becoming a real nuisance. I keep list separately for > a reason. > > I realise that you may need to be sure to eliminate my name from the list if > you want to "reply all", but if we can break this cycle I am sure that I will > not be the only one to benefit. > > I would have thought, in fact, that "reply list" is to be preferred anyway. > The Debian Code of Conduct says only to send a copy to an individual if it is > expressly requested. Unfortunately the CoC is ignored a lot in this regard. You could set up a filter in Gmail to archive or delete such mails if you are 100% sure you don't need them. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
