Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 01:50:27PM -0400, Daniel B. wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: Well, I used to work as a watchmaker, and I can't think of any context where KB stands together as written with K meaning karat. That's not surprising--in SI, the prefix is the scale factor, and the remainder is the unit. I don't think there are any unit symbols that have multiple uppercase letters. Is Hz for Hertz not standard? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 01:50:27PM -0400, Daniel B. wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: Well, I used to work as a watchmaker, and I can't think of any context where KB stands together as written with K meaning karat. That's not surprising--in SI, the prefix is the scale factor, and the remainder is the unit. I don't think there are any unit symbols that have multiple uppercase letters. Is Hz for Hertz not standard? Yes, it is standard. Why do you ask? It's certainly not a unit symbol with multiple uppercase letters. Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 04:38:16PM -0400, Daniel B. wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 01:50:27PM -0400, Daniel B. wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: Well, I used to work as a watchmaker, and I can't think of any context where KB stands together as written with K meaning karat. That's not surprising--in SI, the prefix is the scale factor, and the remainder is the unit. I don't think there are any unit symbols that have multiple uppercase letters. Is Hz for Hertz not standard? Yes, it is standard. Why do you ask? It's certainly not a unit symbol with multiple uppercase letters. Daniel Ah! Missed the word uppercase. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Willie Wonka wrote: Serial ATA (SATA) data transfer rate specification = 1500 *mbps* or *mb/sec* (megabits per second). No. Megabits be per second is Mbps (lowercase m means milli). Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Willie Wonka wrote: ... 1 bit * 8 = 1 byte ^^ I forgot to capitalize my 'B' in Byte above The word byte doesn't need to be capitalized. (Were you thinking of the capitalized letter B by itself when it stands for the word byte?) Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Willie Wonka wrote: ... IOW - Is this how one would correctly display these rates ? 1500mbps = 1.5gbps = 187.5mBps = 1.875gBps ? I think you mean 1500Mbps = 1.5Gbps = 187.5MBps = 1.875GBps As you can see the capitalized 'B' appears a tad ...'out of place'(?), but it's likely /very/ necessary, in order to maintain clarity. If you're at all familiar with SI it shouldn't look out of place. Consider the scaled units mA, GW, kV, mPa, etc. While I may over-annunciate and over-emphasize when referring to Bytes, instead of bits (via my use of GB/MB/KB vs. gb/mb/kb), Why are you changing the capitalization of the prefix letters there? Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Mike McCarty wrote: Well, I used to work as a watchmaker, and I can't think of any context where KB stands together as written with K meaning karat. That's not surprising--in SI, the prefix is the scale factor, and the remainder is the unit. I don't think there are any unit symbols that have multiple uppercase letters. Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
On Monday, May 08, 2006 6:47 PM GMT, Daniel B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Willie Wonka wrote: ... IOW - Is this how one would correctly display these rates ? 1500mbps = 1.5gbps = 187.5mBps = 1.875gBps ? I think you mean 1500Mbps = 1.5Gbps = 187.5MBps = 1.875GBps AFAIK, SATA uses a start and stop bit for each byte, so the 1.5Gbps are still 150MB/sec, which explains the 120MB/sec people usually get from the interface at the common ~80% efficency for ATA interfaces. BTW, 187.5MB/sec = 0.1875GB/sec (0.1831 to be exact) not 1.875GB/sec which is 1875MB/sec. Regards, IraqiGeek www.iraqigeek.com Murphy's Computer Law 34: There's never time to do it right, but always time to do it over. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Am 2006-04-26 08:27:14, schrieb Ron Johnson: That's because we don't need any more. It gives our brains more room to successfully figure out how to convince people to pay US$80 for pieces of denim cloth stitched together by workers in Malaysian sweat shops. ;-/ Greetings Michelle Konzack -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Am 2006-04-26 10:35:22, schrieb Gene Heskett: Yes, sad isn't it, particularly since the keyboard configs used here for linux don't very well allow the painless typeing of such characters. I personally think our keyboard mapping should allow, via the alt keys, as much of the full 8 bit character set as is practical, but it seems to be sadly lacking there. Back when we were all using amiga's, it was no problem at all to type that stylized B for beta, or a copyright sign, all of which were simple alt+ keystrokes on the miggy's keyboard. Unforch, when I try that with kmail, it seems to be treated as a hotkey of some sort, which is totally uncouth behaviour IMNSHO. I have the same problem... Generaly using a german keyboard which allow me DE, EN, FR, ES, IT, TR AR and FA... Going to some arabic contry where the second Language is english I am lost... In the Maghreb (Morocco, Algeria, Tunesia) they are working with french keyboards which are nice too but I do not like it. I like to have a Holo-Keyboard ;-) or at least one, which can change the visible characters on the caps... (Yes, they exist already... haveing little 256-Color LCD's on each cap) I use Super_L plus AltGR or Shift to switch keyboard layouts on the fly) Greetings Michelle Konzack -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 04:59:08PM +0100, Magnus Therning wrote: It's not only Aussies who add 'r' at the end of words, then English do as well. Especially when two vowels collide: There is no 'r' added. What you are alluding to is changing the sound of the vowel. Consider father and fat. Father sounds like farther, whereas fat ... hang on lets not go there. :-) -- Chris. == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Michelle Konzack wrote:
Am 2006-04-19 10:50:06, schrieb Paul Johnson:
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 09:33, Mike McCarty wrote:
Pardon, but in this context the appropriate form is to expand
the umlaut. It is inappropriate to put characters like that
into a text-only message.
There isn't anything non-ISO about ä, including it in a message doesn't make
it not text only. The ae is a poorman form of æ.
You forget, that the american brain is limited
to 128 characters called US-ASCII.
You forget what the A in ASCII means. If you Europeans
want to take over something we made for ourselves, then
you should at least have used the techniques for extending
it which were built in. ASCII is a 7 bit code. It is extensible
by using the SI and SO which were specifically intended for
that. Also it has ESC and DLE which are useful for extending
and transmitting such kinds of codes.
But no, you have to screw it up.
Mike
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Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Michelle Konzack wrote:
Am 2006-04-21 15:18:18, schrieb Mike McCarty:
Guantanamo is not a territory. It is a base which is leased from
Right, same for Aserbaijan...
But the US-Governement treat it like this.
No. They treat it like any other base. It has no representation,
whereas people in territories do have representation. A territory
would have a better deal from the gov't.
Mike
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Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
According to Mike McCarty, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2006-04-19 10:50:06, schrieb Paul Johnson: On Wednesday 19 April 2006 09:33, Mike McCarty wrote: Pardon, but in this context the appropriate form is to expand the umlaut. It is inappropriate to put characters like that into a text-only message. There isn't anything non-ISO about ?, including it in a message doesn't make it not text only. The ae is a poorman form of ?. You forget, that the american brain is limited to 128 characters called US-ASCII. You forget what the A in ASCII means. If you Europeans want to take over something we made for ourselves, then you should at least have used the techniques for extending it which were built in. ASCII is a 7 bit code. It is extensible by using the SI and SO which were specifically intended for that. Also it has ESC and DLE which are useful for extending and transmitting such kinds of codes. But no, you have to screw it up. Mike nitpick Sadly you forget that most of the populations of the American continents do in fact use letters with accents and tildes which are sadly lacking in the supposedly American Standard Code. /nitpick Otherwise a very cogent comment. Best Regards, Tony -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Tony Godshall wrote:
According to Mike McCarty,
Michelle Konzack wrote:
You forget, that the american brain is limited
to 128 characters called US-ASCII.
You forget what the A in ASCII means. If you Europeans
want to take over something we made for ourselves, then
you should at least have used the techniques for extending
it which were built in. ASCII is a 7 bit code. It is extensible
by using the SI and SO which were specifically intended for
that. Also it has ESC and DLE which are useful for extending
and transmitting such kinds of codes.
But no, you have to screw it up.
Mike
nitpick
Sadly you forget that most of the populations of the American
continents do in fact use letters with accents and tildes
which are sadly lacking in the supposedly American Standard Code.
Well, since my first language is Spanish, I guess I *don't*
forget that. This fact has been mentioned by me in other
messages in this same thread.
/nitpick
Otherwise a very cogent comment.
Thanks.
Best Regards,
Mike
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Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Am 2006-04-19 10:50:06, schrieb Paul Johnson: On Wednesday 19 April 2006 09:33, Mike McCarty wrote: Pardon, but in this context the appropriate form is to expand the umlaut. It is inappropriate to put characters like that into a text-only message. There isn't anything non-ISO about ä, including it in a message doesn't make it not text only. The ae is a poorman form of æ. You forget, that the american brain is limited to 128 characters called US-ASCII. und weg Greetings Michelle Konzack -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Am 2006-04-21 15:18:18, schrieb Mike McCarty: Guantanamo is not a territory. It is a base which is leased from Right, same for Aserbaijan... But the US-Governement treat it like this. Greetings Michelle Konzack -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color? IS THERE A MODERATOR FOR THIS LIST???
Am 2006-04-21 15:19:23, schrieb Mike McCarty: Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2006-04-11 23:37:59, schrieb tom arnall: IS THERE A MODERATOR FOR THIS LIST??? NO, because it is debian-user and not debian-moderator ;-) Greetings Michelle Konzack Why, yes there are list admnistrators which sometimes act as moderators. Just recently, there was one who made some unfriendly threats around here... OK, I know some of them, but generaly they are very silent. Greetings Michelle Konzack -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 02:03 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2006-04-19 10:50:06, schrieb Paul Johnson: On Wednesday 19 April 2006 09:33, Mike McCarty wrote: Pardon, but in this context the appropriate form is to expand the umlaut. It is inappropriate to put characters like that into a text-only message. There isn't anything non-ISO about ä, including it in a message doesn't make it not text only. The ae is a poorman form of æ. You forget, that the american brain is limited to 128 characters called US-ASCII. That's because we don't need any more. It gives our brains more room to successfully figure out how to convince people to pay US$80 for pieces of denim cloth stitched together by workers in Malaysian sweat shops. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA There are few ironclad rules of diplomacy but to one there is no exception. When an official reports that talks were useful, it can safely be concluded that nothing was accomplished. John Kenneth Galbraith
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Sunday 23 April 2006 20:03, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2006-04-19 10:50:06, schrieb Paul Johnson: On Wednesday 19 April 2006 09:33, Mike McCarty wrote: Pardon, but in this context the appropriate form is to expand the umlaut. It is inappropriate to put characters like that into a text-only message. There isn't anything non-ISO about ä, including it in a message doesn't make it not text only. The ae is a poorman form of æ. You forget, that the american brain is limited to 128 characters called US-ASCII. Yes, sad isn't it, particularly since the keyboard configs used here for linux don't very well allow the painless typeing of such characters. I personally think our keyboard mapping should allow, via the alt keys, as much of the full 8 bit character set as is practical, but it seems to be sadly lacking there. Back when we were all using amiga's, it was no problem at all to type that stylized B for beta, or a copyright sign, all of which were simple alt+ keystrokes on the miggy's keyboard. Unforch, when I try that with kmail, it seems to be treated as a hotkey of some sort, which is totally uncouth behaviour IMNSHO. und weg Greetings Michelle Konzack -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 at 12:48:58PM -0500, Kent West wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: We should have gone all the way to simplified spelling. Surely you've seen that internet joke about simplified spelling, where the silent e gets dropped, and y's that sound like an i get replaced by an i, and the k sound of c is replaced by k, etc? Soon, the sample paragraph is pretty much unintelligible. Somewhat amusing. Sorry I don't have a link. slashdot -- Chris. == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Digby Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me re-iterate in case that wasn't clear enough. There are many text formats, of which ISO *is* one. But ASCII is the only subset common to almost all, and consequently IMHO is the most appropriate for a public formum where you can't make assumptions about the locale or operating system of all readers... Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt(at)digbyt.com http://www.digbyt.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Digby Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me re-iterate in case that wasn't clear enough. There are many text formats, of which ISO *is* one. But ASCII is the only subset common to almost all, and consequently IMHO is the most appropriate for a public formum where you can't make assumptions about the locale or operating system of all readers... Nobody needs to make assumptions. That's what the charset parameter in the Content-Type header is for. It is up to a properly configured user agent to translate the used encoding into one the display can handle. Of course not all characters might be available there. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 03:12:16PM +0100, Digby Tarvin wrote: If you are using a graphical display, then UTF provides a good way to avoid the problem if your mail reading software can do the translation. But I don't think you can assume everyone on a public mailing list is going to have that. So far, every place I have noticed I hae a choice, I've set my Linux system to use UTF-8 as its standard font. But I still get question marks when I use mutt. No doubt I'll find the reason someday. There;s probably yet another place to tell it about character sets. My point is, that even with good intentions and a real attempt at consistent follow-through, it's still not easy enough to set up a reasonable character set. -- hendrik Is that in the console or an xterm? Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do you need a graphical display for? If everything is properly set up, special characters will display just fine in text mode. For a few weeks I read mail using mutt, including -l10n-romanian, where special characters are used on regular basis and sometimes are a must. No problem reading that. Exactly. I could imagine native English speakers not to bother with other than ASCII character encodings. Because normally they only need ASCII characters. Others would use an encoding that covers their language + ASCII. If there are different encodings possible then the software has to translate between them. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Richard Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All very strange. I grew up with lowercase for small, uppercase for large: m milli- 10^-3 c centi- 10^-2 d deci-10^-1 D deca-10 H hecta- 10^2 K kilo-10^3 M mega-10^6 G giga-10^9 etc... Everything up to kilo is lowercase. See http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary_Appendix:SI_units#SI_prefixes_.28with_symbols_in_parentheses.29 Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 05:16:58PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: Digby Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are using a graphical display, then UTF provides a good way to avoid the problem if your mail reading software can do the translation. But I don't think you can assume everyone on a public mailing list is going to have that. Regards, DigbyT What do you need a graphical display for? If everything is properly set up, special characters will display just fine in text mode. For a few weeks I read mail using mutt, including -l10n-romanian, where special characters are used on regular basis and sometimes are a must. No problem reading that. Ok, 'graphical display' probably wasn't the best way to describe what I meant. I was trying to distinguish between displays capable of running a graphical environment like workstation consoles and X-Terminals from hardware such as the VT420s I often have to use at a customers site, or PDA's I use to read e-mail when travelling. The point is that a graphical application generally has some ability to control fonts, whereas a text mode application has to live with what it is given. If it has UTF components installed or is using a compatible character encoding, then it can do the necessary translating to make things display properly. If the character set is KOI8 and the message uses the non-ascii parts of ISO-Latin-1, it can show question marks or maybe a hex expansion, but it can't display the right character so the message will be hard to read. Sure, the world would be a better place if everyone on the net was running an operating system like Plan9 that has always fully supported UTF character encodings, and good for you if you have your system setup to correctly display someones name if they write it in Hangul, but I'll bet that if you send email with non-ascii characters in it, there will be a significant number of people that won't see what you intend them to. Regards, ?. -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt(at)digbyt.com http://www.digbyt.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color? IS THERE A MODERATOR FOR THIS LIST???
Mike McCarty wrote: Why, yes there are list admnistrators which sometimes act as moderators. Just recently, there was one who made some unfriendly threats around here... Mike References please. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color? IS THERE A MODERATOR FOR THIS LIST???
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 11:58:01 +0100, Doofus wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: Why, yes there are list admnistrators which sometimes act as moderators. Just recently, there was one who made some unfriendly threats around here... Mike References please. For a start, I can offer you a threat of forcibly assisted unsubscription: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/03/msg01252.html followed by setting up a tar pit for the thread in question: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/03/msg01528.html -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color? IS THERE A MODERATOR FOR THIS LIST???
Florian Kulzer wrote: On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 11:58:01 +0100, Doofus wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: Why, yes there are list admnistrators which sometimes act as moderators. Just recently, there was one who made some unfriendly threats around here... Mike References please. For a start, I can offer you a threat of forcibly assisted unsubscription: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/03/msg01252.html That was an interesting read. No well adjusted and reasonably polite person engaged in discussion with another should expect to be addressed with the kind of rhetoric Steve used in the referenced thread. You wouldn't stand listening to someone in the pub talking to you like that so why should you in here? Anand's threat (which it undoubtedly was) in his closing paragraph to remove Steve didn't bother me at all; I hate ranting personal abuse. But he lost the plot with or you continue on this topic, which translates to I'll remove you from the mailling list if I don't like what you're talking about. Anyone with that attitude shouldn't be allowed to run a mailling list. followed by setting up a tar pit for the thread in question: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/03/msg01528.html I have no understanding of what has been done here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color? IS THERE A MODERATOR FOR THIS LIST???
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 18:34:34 +0100, Doofus wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: [...] For a start, I can offer you a threat of forcibly assisted unsubscription: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/03/msg01252.html That was an interesting read. No well adjusted and reasonably polite person engaged in discussion with another should expect to be addressed with the kind of rhetoric Steve used in the referenced thread. You wouldn't stand listening to someone in the pub talking to you like that so why should you in here? Anand's threat (which it undoubtedly was) in his closing paragraph to remove Steve didn't bother me at all; I hate ranting personal abuse. But he lost the plot with or you continue on this topic, which translates to I'll remove you from the mailling list if I don't like what you're talking about. Anyone with that attitude shouldn't be allowed to run a mailling list. followed by setting up a tar pit for the thread in question: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/03/msg01528.html I have no understanding of what has been done here. Every message that was thenceforth posted to this particular thread was artificially delayed for one day before it was redistributed via the list. That made any sort of on-list discussion very awkward. It was don't continue with this topic implemented as a policy against all list subscribers, and it was a very effective measure. (The thread stopped after four more messages.) -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color? IS THERE A MODERATOR FOR THIS LIST???
Florian Kulzer wrote: On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 18:34:34 +0100, Doofus wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: [...] For a start, I can offer you a threat of forcibly assisted unsubscription: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/03/msg01252.html That was an interesting read. No well adjusted and reasonably polite person engaged in discussion with another should expect to be addressed with the kind of rhetoric Steve used in the referenced thread. You wouldn't stand listening to someone in the pub talking to you like that so why should you in here? Anand's threat (which it undoubtedly was) in his closing paragraph to remove Steve didn't bother me at all; I hate ranting personal abuse. But he lost the plot with or you continue on this topic, which translates to I'll remove you from the mailling list if I don't like what you're talking about. Anyone with that attitude shouldn't be allowed to run a mailling list. followed by setting up a tar pit for the thread in question: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/03/msg01528.html I have no understanding of what has been done here. Every message that was thenceforth posted to this particular thread was artificially delayed for one day before it was redistributed via the list. That made any sort of on-list discussion very awkward. It was don't continue with this topic implemented as a policy against all list subscribers, and it was a very effective measure. (The thread stopped after four more messages.) I've never heard of this being done anywhere before. I can't see why Anand didn't just ignore the thread. Effectively it was as stated above: I'm going to kill this discussion because I personally dislike it. Censorship. Disgusting in almost any scenario, I think. So much more so on a list associated with such an obsessively politically correct linux distribution, who's list administrators perpetually bleat about the need for openness and free one-sided access to all and sundry. Ergo, we're in a situation where any worthless spamming toe-rag in the world can hammer the debian list servers with anything he wants, but someone in here for all the right reasons has his (unfortunately expletive) views squashed because one of the listmasters takes umbrage with some of his opinions. Not very good really, is it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color? IS THERE A MODERATOR FOR THIS LIST???
On Sat, 2006-04-22 at 20:35 +0100, Doofus wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 18:34:34 +0100, Doofus wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: [...] [snip] Every message that was thenceforth posted to this particular thread was artificially delayed for one day before it was redistributed via the list. That made any sort of on-list discussion very awkward. It was don't continue with this topic implemented as a policy against all list subscribers, and it was a very effective measure. (The thread stopped after four more messages.) I've never heard of this being done anywhere before. I can't see why Anand didn't just ignore the thread. Exactly. Skip over the thread. Delete them from your email, Mark As Read, whatever. It's not that hard. Effectively it was as stated above: I'm going to kill this discussion because I personally dislike it. Censorship. Disgusting in almost any scenario, I think. So much more so on a list associated with such an obsessively politically correct linux distribution, who's list administrators perpetually bleat about the need for openness and free one-sided access to all and sundry. Ergo, we're Small men with power is a dangerous thing, no matter what side of the aisle you're on. in a situation where any worthless spamming toe-rag in the world can hammer the debian list servers with anything he wants, but someone in here for all the right reasons has his (unfortunately expletive) views squashed because one of the listmasters takes umbrage with some of his opinions. Not very good really, is it? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA The average girl would rather have beauty than brains because she knows that the average man can see much better than he can think. Ladies' Home Journal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Paul Johnson wrote: That's right, except it's kb or kB (for kilobits and kilobytes respectively), never KB or Kb. k is kilo, K is Karat. Paul just mistook prefixes and units... mm is milimeter, where first 'm' means mili and second 'm' means meter. One letter can have more meanings. On 19.04.06 11:49, Mike McCarty wrote: By convention, the k for kilo is permitted to be in either case. once again, the convention was that small 'k' means 1000, while capital K means 1024... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Where do you want to go to die? [Microsoft] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
On 16.04.06 22:56, Willie Wonka wrote: Explained another way (hopefully); If you bought a 1,000 Byte (1KB) HDD - you'd lose 24 *Bytes* Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: No. The big 'K' stands for 1024, 1000 is small 'k'. The big 'K' was chosen exactly to differ 1024 from 1000 - small 'k'. On 19.04.06 12:09, Mike McCarty wrote: Nope. Both the K and the k have been used in electronics to mean times 1000 since I got involved in about 1965 or so. I have never seen/heard about that, but you may be right. However, for computer busines (I'm kinda involved only since 1986) I've always and everywhere seen the explanation I provided above. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Enter any 12-digit prime number to continue. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 11:37:08AM +0100, Wulfy wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: Which was my point. Using Jaegermeister is locale independent. So? A misconfigured system is no reason for changing the spelling of something. Change the cause not the effect... Well, it's not really a *mis*spelling. It's been an accepted alternate apelling on typewriters and such for at least a century when those typewriters don't have the proper character on them. But it is only an apternate spelling. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 02:52:17PM +0100, Wulfy wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: Wulfy wrote: Digby Tarvin wrote: ISO is not the same as text. Most character sets only display ASCII in a standard way. Unicode is text... just not ASCII. So is Hiragana. So is Kanji. So is Arabic. So is Hebrew. So is Cyrillic. So? Digby said that ISO wasn't text only ASCII was... No I didn't. Please don't mis-quote me. What I originally said was ISO is not the same as text, Most character sets only display ASCII in a standard way Let me re-iterate in case that wasn't clear enough. There are many text formats, of which ISO *is* one. But ASCII is the only subset common to almost all, and consequently IMHO is the most appropriate for a public formum where you can't make assumptions about the locale or operating system of all readers... Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt(at)digbyt.com http://www.digbyt.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
From: Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tuesday 18 April 2006 05:31, Willie Wonka wrote: Maybe I'm dense, but; kb = kilobit KB = KiloByte mb = megabit MB = MegaByte 1 bit * 8 = 1 byte 1 Byte / 8 = 1 bit That's right, except it's kb or kB (for kilobits and kilobytes respectively), never KB or Kb. k is kilo, K is Karat. If I sent any private comments in reply to anything on the group, my sincerest apologies. The Reply To address evidently isn't set to the list, and hotmail loves to ignore the list address. Apparently, this is not a problem with the mail clients everyone *else* are using. Not that the @hotmail.com would be any indicator of my inability to use them or anything. That said ... What will happen when you run out of capital and lower case letters to identify your jumble of units? I mean, I know there's a GG-1, but would this mean, like, GigaGiga? And what if I said Gg? Would that be Gigagram? I mean, I know english is kinda strange, with # and ' and and stuff, but in some ways, it kinda' makes sense to avoid using letters for units of measurement. I guess we could mix them, too, though. k#, M#, and G#. Hmmm. Now it looks like BASIC. Blech. Love Friendship Blessed Be! Lynn Erika Kilroy _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Only if they want most people to read what they write. Should people who use Hindi characters change? How about Arabic? Hebrew? How about Linear B? If someone posts Arabic text then he might use Arabic characters with a proper encoding. Do you want people to post Arabic with ASCII characters? Why do we even want people only to post in English? Why not post in whatever your native tongue is? Because this is by definition an English list. But, if someone needs to include an Arabic word in his post I have no problem if he actually uses Arabic characters. If then not everybody can see them because of his local setup - well, so be it. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 01:09:08PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: Why do we even want people only to post in English? Because this is an English-language mailing list. There are other mailing lists for other languages. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
+++ Matus UHLAR - fantomas [21/04/06 08:54 +0200]: On 16.04.06 22:56, Willie Wonka wrote: Explained another way (hopefully); If you bought a 1,000 Byte (1KB) HDD - you'd lose 24 *Bytes* Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: No. The big 'K' stands for 1024, 1000 is small 'k'. The big 'K' was chosen exactly to differ 1024 from 1000 - small 'k'. On 19.04.06 12:09, Mike McCarty wrote: Nope. Both the K and the k have been used in electronics to mean times 1000 since I got involved in about 1965 or so. I have never seen/heard about that, but you may be right. However, for computer busines (I'm kinda involved only since 1986) I've always and everywhere seen the explanation I provided above. All very strange. I grew up with lowercase for small, uppercase for large: m milli- 10^-3 c centi- 10^-2 d deci-10^-1 D deca-10 H hecta- 10^2 K kilo-10^3 M mega-10^6 G giga-10^9 etc... It was simple in those days... before computers. But I wouldn't want to be without... Also before cereal packs started confusing calories and Kcal. Can we get any further OT I wonder? -- richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color? IS THERE A MODERATOR FOR THIS LIST???
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Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Am 2006-04-11 16:40:59, schrieb Ron Johnson: .us = 300,000,000 Not right, because the there are 150,000,000 illegal mexicans in the USA and 50,000,000 illegal prisoners in US-Teritory like Guantanamo. =8O .uk + .ca + .au + .nz = 60,600,000 + 33,000,000 + 20,200,000 + 4,100,000 = 117,900,000 We win... Sorry, you lost... Greetings Michelle Konzack -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Digby Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are using a graphical display, then UTF provides a good way to avoid the problem if your mail reading software can do the translation. But I don't think you can assume everyone on a public mailing list is going to have that. Regards, DigbyT What do you need a graphical display for? If everything is properly set up, special characters will display just fine in text mode. For a few weeks I read mail using mutt, including -l10n-romanian, where special characters are used on regular basis and sometimes are a must. No problem reading that. Regards Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
Paul Johnson wrote:
That's right, except it's kb or kB (for kilobits and kilobytes
respectively), never KB or Kb. k is kilo, K is Karat.
Paul just mistook prefixes and units...
mm is milimeter, where first 'm' means mili and second 'm' means
meter. One letter can have more meanings.
On 19.04.06 11:49, Mike McCarty wrote:
By convention, the k for kilo is permitted to be in either case.
once again, the convention was that small 'k' means 1000, while capital K
means 1024...
I can show you a meters tall stack of Electronics Magazines which
dispute that. Convention since I got involved (in about 1964 or so)
is k and K both mean 1000 when referring to electronics units.
Mike
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Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
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On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 11:37:08AM +0100, Wulfy wrote:
Mike McCarty wrote:
Which was my point. Using Jaegermeister is locale independent.
So? A misconfigured system is no reason for changing the spelling of
something. Change the cause not the effect...
Well, it's not really a *mis*spelling. It's been an accepted alternate
apelling on typewriters and such for at least a century when those
typewriters don't have the proper character on them. But it is only an
apternate spelling.
It's actually the original spelling. On old documents (I had to
read some Middle High German and some Old German for some courses
in University) one can see that the origin of the umlaut mark
(the diaresis) on the a and the o. It's actually written as
a little e above the letter. I don't recall what was written
over the u, as the origin of that umlaut is different from that
of the a and o (it is actually the assimilation of an i,
not an e).
So, that spelling pre-dates the use of the diaresis by several
centuries.
Mike
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Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Mike McCarty wrote: I can show you a meters tall stack of Electronics Magazines which dispute that. Convention since I got involved (in about 1964 or so) is k and K both mean 1000 when referring to electronics units. It's no good looking there for rigor: capitals for big numbers (but only over kilo); upper and lower case don't match; no Greek font means you have to mew. It's only English: what's most true is what's most used; makes life (and technical lists) more interesting though. Regards, Dave Whelan. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Michelle Konzack wrote:
Am 2006-04-11 16:40:59, schrieb Ron Johnson:
.us = 300,000,000
Not right, because the there are 150,000,000 illegal mexicans in the
USA and 50,000,000 illegal prisoners in US-Teritory like Guantanamo.
Guantanamo is not a territory. It is a base which is leased from
Cuba. So the Federal Government can lease land from Cuba, but I
can't buy a cigar from there.
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Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color? IS THERE A MODERATOR FOR THIS LIST???
Michelle Konzack wrote:
Am 2006-04-11 23:37:59, schrieb tom arnall:
IS THERE A MODERATOR FOR THIS LIST???
NO, because it is debian-user and not debian-moderator ;-)
Greetings
Michelle Konzack
Why, yes there are list admnistrators which sometimes act
as moderators. Just recently, there was one who made some
unfriendly threats around here...
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Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 15:18 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2006-04-11 16:40:59, schrieb Ron Johnson: .us = 300,000,000 Not right, because the there are 150,000,000 illegal mexicans in the USA and 50,000,000 illegal prisoners in US-Teritory like Guantanamo. Guantanamo is not a territory. It is a base which is leased from Cuba. So the Federal Government can lease land from Cuba, but I can't buy a cigar from there. Yes, they can, since the land was leased way before the Revolution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base The United States controls the land on both sides of the southern part of Guantánamo Bay (Bahía de Guantánamo in Spanish) under a lease set up in the wake of the 1898 Spanish-American War. The Cuban government denounces the lease on grounds that article 52 of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties voids treaties procured by force or its threatened use. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA This is the optimal setup for a geek. Your wife thinks you are with your girlfriend, your girlfriend thinks, you have to look for your wife, and you have time to do something with your computer. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=98180cid=8396791
Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Friday 21 April 2006 18:04, Ron Johnson wrote: On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 15:18 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2006-04-11 16:40:59, schrieb Ron Johnson: .us = 300,000,000 Not right, because the there are 150,000,000 illegal mexicans in the USA and 50,000,000 illegal prisoners in US-Teritory like Guantanamo. Guantanamo is not a territory. It is a base which is leased from Cuba. So the Federal Government can lease land from Cuba, but I can't buy a cigar from there. Yes, they can, since the land was leased way before the Revolution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base The United States controls the land on both sides of the southern part of Guantánamo Bay (Bahía de Guantánamo in Spanish) under a lease set up in the wake of the 1898 Spanish-American War. The Cuban government denounces the lease on grounds that article 52 of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties voids treaties procured by force or its threatened use. Yes, and Fidel knows full well who would win the argumment should he decide to get pushy about it. Cuba (He) I believe, does get what is today a small annual pittance for the lease I have NDI if its ever been renegotiated. The fact that he's denouncing it probably means that its 'granted in perpetuity' and not subject to renewal at intervals. Frankly, I have to admit I have a certain admiration for the man since he has been forced to walk a mighty thin rope without a net he personally didn't tie the knots in since the USSR came apart. The fact that he has succeeded in doing exactly that tells me he is an extremely sane individual. I fear for the cuban people when he finally does fall over as theres no other strong man in the wings. Such people generally get antsie and push the buttons to hasten the transfer of power, and it hasn't (that we know of) even been attempted. -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 03:12:16PM +0100, Digby Tarvin wrote: If you are using a graphical display, then UTF provides a good way to avoid the problem if your mail reading software can do the translation. But I don't think you can assume everyone on a public mailing list is going to have that. So far, every place I have noticed I hae a choice, I've set my Linux system to use UTF-8 as its standard font. But I still get question marks when I use mutt. No doubt I'll find the reason someday. There;s probably yet another place to tell it about character sets. My point is, that even with good intentions and a real attempt at consistent follow-through, it's still not easy enough to set up a reasonable character set. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
--- Willie Wonka wrote: [ This message is being forwarded to the list as well ] Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:04:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Willie Wonka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?) To: Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Willie Wonka wrote: [snip] Umm, it should be ATA, not IDE. IDE is a packaging issue, while ATA is an interface spec. Yeah, you're right, but that 'accident' happened LONG ago, and shoulld've been corrected then - and the IDE Acronym remains important to many...I did post that they were NOT good examples, but the DEBIAN-USER listserv robocop, seems to hold my posts for 9-12Hrs BEFORE actually posting them.sigh :-( Well, I used to work as a watchmaker, and I can't think of any context where KB stands together as written with K meaning karat. Note that carat and karat are both words, but they mean different things. The first is the name of the unit of weight for gem stones, the latter is the name for the unit of fineness of gold in 1/24 parts. Thanks - you've refreshed my memory; 12/18/24 *Karat* Gold -and- .007 ounces = 1 *Carat* in weight (How it's Made; TV Documentary on the History Channel :-)) There's NO need to repond to me *Off-list*, and I will gladly post a COPY of this therebut because of some inexplicable issues, you may NOT see it *On-List* until some 24hrs later, (some posts I made today, STILL have not shown up) - but anyway Regards __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Digby R. S. Tarvin writes: If you want your message to be understood by people that are not using graphical applications to read their email then it is best to stick to ASCII text. I'm using Gnus which is not graphical and it displays umlauts just fine. You don't need graphics to display ISO character sets. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Mike McCarty wrote: Wulfy wrote: Digby Tarvin wrote: ISO is not the same as text. Most character sets only display ASCII in a standard way. Unicode is text... just not ASCII. So is Hiragana. So is Kanji. So is Arabic. So is Hebrew. So is Cyrillic. So? Digby said that ISO wasn't text only ASCII was... the 'J' and the 'germeister'. If I use vi or cat to view the message, I see 'J=E4germeister' or 'J0xe4germeister', which is less than clear.. Not if you have your locale set to a UTF-8 locale like en_GB-UTF-8... When I read your original message I see a Cyrillic capital 'D' between Which was my point. Using Jaegermeister is locale independent. So? A misconfigured system is no reason for changing the spelling of something. Change the cause not the effect... [snip] Mike -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Mike McCarty wrote: Wulfy wrote: Digby Tarvin wrote: ISO is not the same as text. Most character sets only display ASCII in a standard way. Unicode is text... just not ASCII. So is Hiragana. So is Kanji. So is Arabic. So is Hebrew. So is Cyrillic. So? Digby said that ISO wasn't text only ASCII was... the 'J' and the 'germeister'. If I use vi or cat to view the message, I see 'J=E4germeister' or 'J0xe4germeister', which is less than clear.. Not if you have your locale set to a UTF-8 locale like en_GB-UTF-8... When I read your original message I see a Cyrillic capital 'D' between Which was my point. Using Jaegermeister is locale independent. So? A misconfigured system is no reason for changing the spelling of something. Change the cause not the effect. A UTF-8 locale will allow you to see any text, provided you have the proper fonts and most fonts have ISO-8895-* in, even if they don't have the non-Latin sets... And even if you don't want a UTF-8 locale, most modern e-mail clients can change the character encoding of the message. [snip] Mike -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Matthias Julius wrote: Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The ae is a poorman form of æ. In German it is perfectly legitimate to use ae instead of ä if you can not use that for what ever reason. It is just ugly. The character æ is used nowhere in German. Matthias But it is in Icelandic, along with þ and ð. Should the Icelanders change the spelling of their words to fit the ASCII only systems that most people use? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Wulfy wrote:
Matthias Julius wrote:
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The ae is a poorman form of æ.
In German it is perfectly legitimate to use ae instead of ä if you
can not use that for what ever reason. It is just ugly. The
character æ is used nowhere in German.
Matthias
But it is in Icelandic, along with þ and ð. Should the Icelanders
change the spelling of their words to fit the ASCII only systems that
most people use?
Only if they want most people to read what they write.
Should people who use Hindi characters change?
How about Arabic? Hebrew? How about Linear B?
Why do we even want people only to post in English? Why not post
in whatever your native tongue is? I guess I'll switch to Spanish,
since that's my first language.
Muchas gracias por ensenarme una via mucho mas mejor. Ya puedo
usar la lengua que me mas gusta en toda la via de me vida, en
toda circunstancia.
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Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Mike McCarty wrote: Only if they want most people to read what they write. Should people who use Hindi characters change? How about Arabic? Hebrew? How about Linear B? Why do we even want people only to post in English? Why not post in whatever your native tongue is? I guess I'll switch to Spanish, since that's my first language. Muchas gracias por ensenarme una via mucho mas mejor. Ya puedo usar la lengua que me mas gusta en toda la via de me vida, en toda circunstancia. Mike I don't speak Spanish, so the word I choose is random. If you wanted to refer to something with mañana in it's name, would you lose the tilde? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Wulfy wrote:
Mike McCarty wrote:
Only if they want most people to read what they write.
Should people who use Hindi characters change?
How about Arabic? Hebrew? How about Linear B?
Why do we even want people only to post in English? Why not post
in whatever your native tongue is? I guess I'll switch to Spanish,
since that's my first language.
Muchas gracias por ensenarme una via mucho mas mejor. Ya puedo
usar la lengua que me mas gusta en toda la via de me vida, en
toda circunstancia.
Mike
I don't speak Spanish, so the word I choose is random. If you wanted to
refer to something with mañana in it's name, would you lose the tilde?
The fourth word above ensenarme has that character as the
fifth letter. Spanish also uses the acute accent over vowels
as necessary. It is common among those who exchange e-mail
in Spanish not to use the special character you allude to,
and to omit accents. The other special letters used in Spanish
already have ASCII equivalents ch, ll, and rr,
and those are used where appropriate. I hear that the ch
has been removed from the spanish alphabet by the Academia Real.
I've yet to see a dictionary which follows that, though.
Miguelito
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Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 08:23:11PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wednesday 19 April 2006 11:44, Digby Tarvin wrote: If you want your message to be understood by people that are not using graphical applications to read their email then it is best to stick to ASCII text. I am in the UK, but I never try to use shift-3 to insert a pound symbol into an email, because I know that not everyone uses a compatable character set. But the character set is defined by the header. If your system can't determine and display the right character set, it's time to go spend $40 for an old 486, a Debian CD and some lunch. Besides, it's a very reasonable expectation for anybody on an English speaking list to be using ISO-Latin-1, Latin-15, UTF8 or ASCII, which save for ASCII have everything in common for the characters I know how to type. I will agree that it is very reasonable to assume the ASCII character set is available, but it is not reasonable to assume ISO-Latin-1 or Latin-15, because English language lists are read by many people for whom English is a second Language. Most educated people in China or Russia would have to be able to deal with english to take full advantage of the Internet, but would probably have their locale set appropriately for the languages they are likely to have to read in personal emails. If you are using a graphical display, then UTF provides a good way to avoid the problem if your mail reading software can do the translation. But I don't think you can assume everyone on a public mailing list is going to have that. Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt(at)digbyt.com http://www.digbyt.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wulfy wrote: Digby Tarvin wrote: When I read your original message I see a Cyrillic capital 'D' between the 'J' and the 'germeister'. If I use vi or cat to view the message, I see 'J=E4germeister' or 'J0xe4germeister', which is less than clear.. Not if you have your locale set to a UTF-8 locale like en_GB-UTF-8... Which was my point. Using Jaegermeister is locale independent. Mutt (and any recent user agent) should be able to recognize character encodings as defined in a mail header and translate it into whatever locale is used. Of course it can not display characters that don't have a representation in the encoding used by the locale or in the font you are using. But, it should not display some other characters (like a Cyrillic capital D instead of a German a umlaut). The whole character mess is going on and on. I can only encourage everybody to just use UTF-8 as character encoding. Which user agents are left that can not deal with that? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Paul Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 18 April 2006 05:31, Willie Wonka wrote: Maybe I'm dense, but; kb = kilobit KB = KiloByte mb = megabit MB = MegaByte 1 bit * 8 = 1 byte 1 Byte / 8 = 1 bit That's right, except it's kb or kB (for kilobits and kilobytes respectively), never KB or Kb. k is kilo, K is Karat. That may be true somewhere but it's not a very strong standard. aptitude agrees with you but the Firefox downloader does not not do NIST or Wikipedia or the AECMA I learned that upper case metric prefixes were used for multiples of units where lower case letters were used for divisions of units. Paul Scott -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paul Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 18 April 2006 05:31, Willie Wonka wrote: Maybe I'm dense, but; kb = kilobit KB = KiloByte mb = megabit MB = MegaByte 1 bit * 8 = 1 byte ^^ I forgot to capitalize my 'B' in Byte above 1 Byte / 8 = 1 bit That's right, except it's kb or kB (for kilobits and kilobytes respectively), never KB or Kb. k is kilo, K is Karat. Ok - thanks - now only if everyone would remember and use these... What I more than eluded to earlier; concerning SATA specs and serial signaling data transfer rates...have I found a solution ? IOW - Is this how one would correctly display these rates ? 1500mbps = 1.5gbps = 187.5mBps = 1.875gBps ? As you can see the capitalized 'B' appears a tad ...'out of place'(?), but it's likely /very/ necessary, in order to maintain clarity. While I may over-annunciate and over-emphasize when referring to Bytes, instead of bits (via my use of GB/MB/KB vs. gb/mb/kb), it seems my silly method may be more effective - otherwise we're in for some serious rabid-rabbits taking over - with all those *Karats* (Carrots) hanging around, ready to be eaten :-) Contextually though, they are completely different - like oh say using the acronym *IDE* , which can be Integrated Device Electronics -or- Integrated Development Environment ((in most 'computer' circles) and completely dependent upon the context of it's use). oh, the heck with it, lol ;-) I've seen some well-known hardware review sites refer to SATA drive specs as *1.5GBPS* (and similarly, 3.0GBps for SATA II / SATA 2 spec.) BTW - if anyone's a Jeweler, would the 'K' (Karat) ever be used in combination with a 'B' ? (capital or lowercase)and I never could remember if Karat is with a 'K' or a 'C' :doh: __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
On 18.04.06 05:31, Willie Wonka wrote: Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 16.04.06 22:56, Willie Wonka wrote: Explained another way (hopefully); If you bought a 1,000 Byte (1KB) HDD - you'd lose 24 *Bytes* No. The big 'K' stands for 1024, 1000 is small 'k'. The big 'K' was chosen exactly to differ 1024 from 1000 - small 'k'. But this can't be applied for 'M' because big 'M' is 1 000 000, while small 'm' is 0.001 (1/1000). So what do you propose as a solution ?? solution? strictly differ between decadic and binary prefixes, so use k for 1000, M for 100, G for 10, while Ki for 1024, Mi for 1048576, Gi for 1073741824 so if a HDD manufacturer speaks about 20GB HDD, count it as 20 000 000 000 B, so you won't be surprised it is not 20 GiB. Maybe I'm dense, but; kb = kilobit = 1000 b KB = KiloByte = 1024 B mb = megabit nope, small 'm' snands for 'mili' which is 1/1 000 000 e.g. one millionth part. MB = MegaByte megaByte, actually 100B, but is ocasionally used 1 bit * 8 = 1 byte 1 Byte / 8 = 1 bit yes, usually. the Byte was first defined as the smallest amount of data a CPU can ordinadily work with. currently, it's being used as 8 bit, however there were compurers that used e.g. 9-bit Byte. Serial ATA (SATA) data transfer rate specification = 1500 *mbps* or *mb/sec* (megabits per second). 1500 / 8 = 187.5 *MBps* or *MB/sec* - as I again say, small 'm' means 'mili' so it's not correct Luckily, HDD manufacturers count with KB/KiB (1024B)'s, so 10GB HDD was counted as 1 000 000 KB - 1 024 000 000 Bytes. This was because HDD's use 512B sectors, and it's easier to divide number of sectors by 2 than to multiply it by 512. Luckily ? I think not Why would I want to divide sectors anyway. what I meant, was that it would be even worse if they multiplied number of sectors by 512 and divide by 1000 to get some more of fake capacity... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Two words: Windows survives. - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin. - Matthew Alton -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 14:22 +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: mb = megabit nope, small 'm' snands for 'mili' which is 1/1 000 000 e.g. one millionth part. m = milli = 1 / 1 000 u (greek letter mu) = micro = 1 / 1 000 000 -- Matt Zagrabelny - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (218) 726 8844 University of Minnesota Duluth Information Technology Systems Services PGP key 1024D/84E22DA2 2005-11-07 Fingerprint: 78F9 18B3 EF58 56F5 FC85 C5CA 53E7 887F 84E2 2DA2 He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. -Jim Elliot signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Ron Johnson wrote:
On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 13:50 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
No. If you look closely, you'll see that I put those symbols
inside of slash marks. That means that they are phonemes,
and the /j/ phoneme indicates a sound similar to the consonantal
y in English, as in yet. As an example of another two words
Oh, j like jagermeister?
Yes, similar, except that should be Jaegermeister.
Note that the j you are using is the german j,
which has a different articulation from /j/ in English.
They do sound similar, though.
which are distinguished in my dialect via palatalization, consider
the words new and knew. The first I pronounce as /nu/ the
second as /njew/ (spelled with sort-of English letters as nyoo).
Similar differences are in boo /bu/ and imbue /Im:bju/, where
in the second word the b is palatal. The colon (:) marks the
accented/emphasized syllable.
OK. Then if it's really a yuh, why use a j?
You'd have to ask the people who set up the phonetic
alphabet for English. It may have to do with the
International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) already having
a symbol y which indicates a certain type of umlauted
u.
Mike
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Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 07:00, Mike McCarty wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 13:50 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: No. If you look closely, you'll see that I put those symbols inside of slash marks. That means that they are phonemes, and the /j/ phoneme indicates a sound similar to the consonantal y in English, as in yet. As an example of another two words Oh, j like jagermeister? Yes, similar, except that should be Jaegermeister. Nope, it's Jägermeister. It's one of my favorite drinks. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpRjr0LtZtNV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Paul Johnson wrote:
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 07:00, Mike McCarty wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 13:50 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
No. If you look closely, you'll see that I put those symbols
inside of slash marks. That means that they are phonemes,
and the /j/ phoneme indicates a sound similar to the consonantal
y in English, as in yet. As an example of another two words
Oh, j like jagermeister?
Yes, similar, except that should be Jaegermeister.
Nope, it's Jägermeister. It's one of my favorite drinks.
Pardon, but in this context the appropriate form is to expand
the umlaut. It is inappropriate to put characters like that
into a text-only message.
In any case, the articulation of the english /j/ and the german
/j/ is not the same.
Mike
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Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Paul Johnson wrote:
On Tuesday 18 April 2006 05:31, Willie Wonka wrote:
Maybe I'm dense, but;
kb = kilobit
KB = KiloByte
mb = megabit
MB = MegaByte
1 bit * 8 = 1 byte
1 Byte / 8 = 1 bit
That's right, except it's kb or kB (for kilobits and kilobytes respectively),
never KB or Kb. k is kilo, K is Karat.
By convention, the k for kilo is permitted to be in either case.
The M for mega is *never* lower case, as that means milli.
So mb means millibit, which one wonders what that could be.
A byte is not universally 8 bits, by the way.
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Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Willie Wonka wrote:
[snip]
Contextually though, they are completely different - like oh say using
the acronym *IDE* , which can be Integrated Device Electronics -or-
Integrated Development Environment ((in most 'computer' circles) and
completely dependent upon the context of it's use).
oh, the heck with it, lol ;-)
Umm, it should be ATA, not IDE. IDE is a packaging issue, while
ATA is an interface spec.
[snip]
BTW - if anyone's a Jeweler, would the 'K' (Karat) ever be used in
combination with a 'B' ? (capital or lowercase)and I never could
remember if Karat is with a 'K' or a 'C' :doh:
Well, I used to work as a watchmaker, and I can't think of any
context where KB stands together as written with K meaning
karat.
Note that carat and karat are both words, but they mean
different things. The first is the name of the unit of weight
for gem stones, the latter is the name for the unit of fineness
of gold in 1/24 parts.
Mike
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Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
On 16.04.06 22:56, Willie Wonka wrote:
Explained another way (hopefully);
If you bought a 1,000 Byte (1KB) HDD - you'd lose 24 *Bytes*
No. The big 'K' stands for 1024, 1000 is small 'k'.
The big 'K' was chosen exactly to differ 1024 from 1000 - small 'k'.
Nope. Both the K and the k have been used in electronics
to mean times 1000 since I got involved in about 1965 or so.
[snip]
Luckily, HDD manufacturers count with KB/KiB (1024B)'s, so 10GB HDD was
counted as 1 000 000 KB - 1 024 000 000 Bytes. This was because HDD's use
512B sectors, and it's easier to divide number of sectors by 2 than to
multiply it by 512.
HDD manufacturers do all kinds of things with numbers.
Mike
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Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 09:33, Mike McCarty wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: Nope, it's Jägermeister. It's one of my favorite drinks. Pardon, but in this context the appropriate form is to expand the umlaut. It is inappropriate to put characters like that into a text-only message. There isn't anything non-ISO about ä, including it in a message doesn't make it not text only. The ae is a poorman form of æ. In any case, the articulation of the english /j/ and the german /j/ is not the same. It has more of a /y/ sound in German, no? -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpbqzExNcypP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Paul Johnson wrote:
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 09:33, Mike McCarty wrote:
Paul Johnson wrote:
Nope, it's Jägermeister. It's one of my favorite drinks.
Pardon, but in this context the appropriate form is to expand
the umlaut. It is inappropriate to put characters like that
into a text-only message.
There isn't anything non-ISO about ä, including it in a message doesn't make
it not text only. The ae is a poorman form of æ.
In any case, the articulation of the english /j/ and the german
/j/ is not the same.
It has more of a /y/ sound in German, no?
That's difficult to say. I dunno what you mean by more
of a /y/ sound.
The phoneme /y/ occurs in German, but it sounds nothing
to my ears like /j/ in either language.
The german /j/ is articulated more forcefully than the
english /j/, and with the tip of the tongue pointed down
rather than up, as in English. It is also more aspirated
in German.
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Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 07:57 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wednesday 19 April 2006 07:00, Mike McCarty wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 13:50 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: No. If you look closely, you'll see that I put those symbols inside of slash marks. That means that they are phonemes, and the /j/ phoneme indicates a sound similar to the consonantal y in English, as in yet. As an example of another two words Oh, j like jagermeister? Yes, similar, except that should be Jaegermeister. Nope, it's Jägermeister. It's one of my favorite drinks. How do you type non-American Standard Code for Information Inter- change characters? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. General Douglas MacArthur
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 04:33:51PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 07:57 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wednesday 19 April 2006 07:00, Mike McCarty wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 13:50 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: No. If you look closely, you'll see that I put those symbols inside of slash marks. That means that they are phonemes, and the /j/ phoneme indicates a sound similar to the consonantal y in English, as in yet. As an example of another two words Oh, j like jagermeister? Yes, similar, except that should be Jaegermeister. Nope, it's Jägermeister. It's one of my favorite drinks. How do you type non-American Standard Code for Information Inter- change characters? NASCII, obviously. sheesh. you know, that thing you use to start your NASCAR?! A -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. General Douglas MacArthur signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 14:53 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 04:33:51PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 07:57 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wednesday 19 April 2006 07:00, Mike McCarty wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 13:50 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: No. If you look closely, you'll see that I put those symbols inside of slash marks. That means that they are phonemes, and the /j/ phoneme indicates a sound similar to the consonantal y in English, as in yet. As an example of another two words Oh, j like jagermeister? Yes, similar, except that should be Jaegermeister. Nope, it's Jägermeister. It's one of my favorite drinks. How do you type non-American Standard Code for Information Inter- change characters? NASCII, obviously. sheesh. you know, that thing you use to start your NASCAR?! NASCAR races are s boring. Gimme NHRA drag races (top fuel, of course) any day. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA To be stupid, selfish, and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost. Gustave Flaubert
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 05:06:42PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 14:53 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 04:33:51PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 07:57 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wednesday 19 April 2006 07:00, Mike McCarty wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 13:50 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: No. If you look closely, you'll see that I put those symbols inside of slash marks. That means that they are phonemes, and the /j/ phoneme indicates a sound similar to the consonantal y in English, as in yet. As an example of another two words Oh, j like jagermeister? Yes, similar, except that should be Jaegermeister. Nope, it's Jägermeister. It's one of my favorite drinks. How do you type non-American Standard Code for Information Inter- change characters? NASCII, obviously. sheesh. you know, that thing you use to start your NASCAR?! NASCAR races are s boring. Gimme NHRA drag races (top fuel, of course) any day. F1 baby, all the way. hell, what I really want is more GP motorcycles... but so it goes. Don't think by the above that I'm a fan of NASCAR, BTW... A -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA To be stupid, selfish, and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost. Gustave Flaubert signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 14:33, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 07:57 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wednesday 19 April 2006 07:00, Mike McCarty wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 13:50 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: No. If you look closely, you'll see that I put those symbols inside of slash marks. That means that they are phonemes, and the /j/ phoneme indicates a sound similar to the consonantal y in English, as in yet. As an example of another two words Oh, j like jagermeister? Yes, similar, except that should be Jaegermeister. Nope, it's Jägermeister. It's one of my favorite drinks. How do you type non-American Standard Code for Information Inter- change characters? I do it using compose-character--a and can't remember how I do it in Windows...stupid alt codes... Besides, even the US uses UTF-8, ISO-8859-1 or -15 now. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgp2zg5NUUtbg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 10:50:06AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wednesday 19 April 2006 09:33, Mike McCarty wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: Nope, it's J?germeister. It's one of my favorite drinks. Pardon, but in this context the appropriate form is to expand the umlaut. It is inappropriate to put characters like that into a text-only message. There isn't anything non-ISO about ?, including it in a message doesn't make it not text only. The ae is a poorman form of ?. ISO is not the same as text. Most character sets only display ASCII in a standard way. When I read your original message I see a Cyrillic capital 'D' between the 'J' and the 'germeister'. If I use vi or cat to view the message, I see 'J=E4germeister' or 'J0xe4germeister', which is less than clear.. If you want your message to be understood by people that are not using graphical applications to read their email then it is best to stick to ASCII text. I am in the UK, but I never try to use shift-3 to insert a pound symbol into an email, because I know that not everyone uses a compatable character set. Of course in a person to person email, if you know what your correspondent is using then it is OK, but definately a bad idea on a public list. Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt(at)digbyt.com http://www.digbyt.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Digby Tarvin wrote: ISO is not the same as text. Most character sets only display ASCII in a standard way. Unicode is text... just not ASCII. When I read your original message I see a Cyrillic capital 'D' between the 'J' and the 'germeister'. If I use vi or cat to view the message, I see 'J=E4germeister' or 'J0xe4germeister', which is less than clear.. Not if you have your locale set to a UTF-8 locale like en_GB-UTF-8... If you want your message to be understood by people that are not using graphical applications to read their email then it is best to stick to ASCII text. I looked at his original message using both vi and cat. It came through OK. It's a matter of locale and fonts not text. I am in the UK, but I never try to use shift-3 to insert a pound symbol into an email, because I know that not everyone uses a compatable character set. Of course in a person to person email, if you know what your correspondent is using then it is OK, but definately a bad idea on a public list. Regards, DigbyT -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 11:44, Digby Tarvin wrote: If you want your message to be understood by people that are not using graphical applications to read their email then it is best to stick to ASCII text. I am in the UK, but I never try to use shift-3 to insert a pound symbol into an email, because I know that not everyone uses a compatable character set. But the character set is defined by the header. If your system can't determine and display the right character set, it's time to go spend $40 for an old 486, a Debian CD and some lunch. Besides, it's a very reasonable expectation for anybody on an English speaking list to be using ISO-Latin-1, Latin-15, UTF8 or ASCII, which save for ASCII have everything in common for the characters I know how to type. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpm2wzQhwycm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Wulfy wrote:
Digby Tarvin wrote:
ISO is not the same as text. Most character sets only display ASCII in
a standard way.
Unicode is text... just not ASCII.
So is Hiragana. So is Kanji. So is Arabic. So is Hebrew. So is Cyrillic.
So?
When I read your original message I see a Cyrillic capital 'D' between
the 'J' and the 'germeister'. If I use vi or cat to view the message, I
see 'J=E4germeister' or 'J0xe4germeister', which is less than clear..
Not if you have your locale set to a UTF-8 locale like en_GB-UTF-8...
Which was my point. Using Jaegermeister is locale independent.
[snip]
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Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There isn't anything non-ISO about ä, including it in a message doesn't make it not text only. Right. The ae is a poorman form of æ. In German it is perfectly legitimate to use ae instead of ä if you can not use that for what ever reason. It is just ugly. The character æ is used nowhere in German. Matthias
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
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Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
On 16.04.06 22:56, Willie Wonka wrote: Explained another way (hopefully); If you bought a 1,000 Byte (1KB) HDD - you'd lose 24 *Bytes* No. The big 'K' stands for 1024, 1000 is small 'k'. The big 'K' was chosen exactly to differ 1024 from 1000 - small 'k'. But this can't be applied for 'M' because big 'M' is 1 000 000, while smal 'm' is 0.001 (1/1000). If you bought a 1,000,000 Byte (1MB) HDD - you'd lose 48 *KiloBytes* If you bought a 1,000,000,000 Byte (1GB) HDD - you'd lose 73 *MegaBytes* If you bought a 1,000,000,000,000 Byte (1TB) HDD - you'd lose 99 *GigaBytes* Luckily, HDD manufacturers count with KB/KiB (1024B)'s, so 10GB HDD was counted as 1 000 000 KB - 1 024 000 000 Bytes. This was because HDD's use 512B sectors, and it's easier to divide number of sectors by 2 than to multiply it by 512. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Honk if you love peace and quiet. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 07:32:50AM -0700, Willie Wonka wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: Willie Wonka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this example, I'll use [Sector=512Bytes] and [Track=4096Bytes = 8 Sectors]. Data (File) that occupies more space than 1 sector (512Bytes), will fill up those sectors until the Track/Block/Cluster (8 sectors) is full, ...and a larger File will then overflow onto the next Sectors/Track, and so on -- this is merely a consequence of *contiguous* writing of data. You can't mix tracks and sectors with blocks/clusters. The former are physical 'units' while the later are logical. I think I'll leave this part of the topic alone for now, since I need to brush up on my understanding of the 'physical' (CHS) vs 'logical' (LBA) differences, but indeed a *Track* in Linux seems to contain 63 sectors, as noticed again using 'hdparm' The cylinder/track/sector used to make sense in the ancient days of DOS floppy disks. The addressing technique was build into the hardware, and into the software. I can still remember programming with data structures containing cylinder/head/sector numbers. But hardware improved, eventually its capacity exceeded the old geometrical mode, so they had to fake it. Software still accepted the CHS model, so the hardware had to, too, even though it became increasingly uncoupled form the physical layout. Numbers like '63' became a codeword that indicated, ignore this number as meaningless in terms of disk geometry. Then came linear block addressing, which officially accepted the demise of the geometry as a programming model. -- hendrik ~$ sudo hdparm -I /dev/hda Configuration: Logical max current cylinders 16383 65535 heads 16 1 sectors/track 63 63 -- CHS current addressable sectors:4128705 LBAuser addressable sectors: 160836480 LBA48 user addressable sectors: 160836480 Cylinders are ring-shaped, vertically aligned areas of the HDD - think of stacking doughnuts or rings; one on top of each other, the only difference (besides the obvious), is that no 2 stacks of cylinders/doughnuts/rings are the same physical size...yet they are stacked vertically (according to the platters). This all starts to get real *funky* once you start using LBA, instead of *phsyical* address. And a track is one dough-nut. And because in reality the radius of the dough-nut and hence also its length, the number of sectors/track is variable. But the OS doesn't see this. The numbers are converted inside the HDD logic and passed to the BIOS/OS as if the number of sectors/track is constant. Otherwise a C/H/S address would make no sense to the BIOS/OS. I'll accept that info for now... thanks; I'll digest it over time, and research a bit more, before again addressing this sub-topic ;) The smallest physical unit is the sector which is always 512 B. When you format a partition you divide it in allocation units. In *nix they are called blocks, in MS clusters. Yes, I concur; but I'd refine it to *a group of sectors, which has a set size* perhaps. and that size is always 2^x * 512B where x is a positive integer value (zero allowed). How big it can get depends on filesystem limitations. Yep Ok Bye Andrei I appreciated this dialog/dialogue :-) All I can think of now, because I'm hungry is (donuts/doughnuts/dough-nuts). Regards __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 16.04.06 22:56, Willie Wonka wrote: Explained another way (hopefully); If you bought a 1,000 Byte (1KB) HDD - you'd lose 24 *Bytes* No. The big 'K' stands for 1024, 1000 is small 'k'. The big 'K' was chosen exactly to differ 1024 from 1000 - small 'k'. But this can't be applied for 'M' because big 'M' is 1 000 000, while smal 'm' is 0.001 (1/1000). So what do you propose as a solution ?? Maybe I'm dense, but; kb = kilobit KB = KiloByte mb = megabit MB = MegaByte 1 bit * 8 = 1 byte 1 Byte / 8 = 1 bit This is even more of a hot button issue since the advent of SATA and PCI-Express and Serial signaling rates across interfaces. E.g.; Serial ATA (SATA) data transfer rate specification = 1500 *mbps* or *mb/sec* (megabits per second). 1500 / 8 = 187.5 *MBps* or *MB/sec* - but since 8/10b encoding is used, the actual data transfer rate drops 20% - so the nominal/useful rate ends up being 150 *MB/sec* now, if you look up - you'll notice 150MB and 1500mb (which are both correct) - and SATA II specs (while not yet set in stone) are 300MB and 3000mbps. This also appears incorrect since 3000mbps / 8 = 375MBps (not 300), but many people do NOT account for the 8/10b encoding conversion, so they end up writing ALL sorts of differing specs about Transfer rates (the big Tel-Co(s) are great at this game). If you bought a 1,000,000 Byte (1MB) HDD - you'd lose 48 *KiloBytes* If you bought a 1,000,000,000 Byte (1GB) HDD - you'd lose 73 *MegaBytes* If you bought a 1,000,000,000,000 Byte (1TB) HDD - you'd lose 99 *GigaBytes* Luckily, HDD manufacturers count with KB/KiB (1024B)'s, so 10GB HDD was counted as 1 000 000 KB - 1 024 000 000 Bytes. This was because HDD's use 512B sectors, and it's easier to divide number of sectors by 2 than to multiply it by 512. Luckily ? I think not Why would I want to divide sectors anyway. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Ron Johnson wrote:
On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 17:10 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 10:36 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:32:48 +0300
Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
phonemes. In my dialect of spoken English, the words do and
dew are distinguished by the use of the hard /d/ in the first,
and the palatal /dj/ in the second. Other dialects do not so
distinguish, pronouncing both /du/. I say /du/ and /dju/,
respectively.
If I'm reading correctly, you pronounce dew (condensed atmospheric
moisture) and Jew the same way.
No. If you look closely, you'll see that I put those symbols
inside of slash marks. That means that they are phonemes,
and the /j/ phoneme indicates a sound similar to the consonantal
y in English, as in yet. As an example of another two words
which are distinguished in my dialect via palatalization, consider
the words new and knew. The first I pronounce as /nu/ the
second as /njew/ (spelled with sort-of English letters as nyoo).
Similar differences are in boo /bu/ and imbue /Im:bju/, where
in the second word the b is palatal. The colon (:) marks the
accented/emphasized syllable.
Mike
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Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 13:50 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 17:10 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 10:36 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:32:48 +0300 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] phonemes. In my dialect of spoken English, the words do and dew are distinguished by the use of the hard /d/ in the first, and the palatal /dj/ in the second. Other dialects do not so distinguish, pronouncing both /du/. I say /du/ and /dju/, respectively. If I'm reading correctly, you pronounce dew (condensed atmospheric moisture) and Jew the same way. No. If you look closely, you'll see that I put those symbols inside of slash marks. That means that they are phonemes, and the /j/ phoneme indicates a sound similar to the consonantal y in English, as in yet. As an example of another two words Oh, j like jagermeister? which are distinguished in my dialect via palatalization, consider the words new and knew. The first I pronounce as /nu/ the second as /njew/ (spelled with sort-of English letters as nyoo). Similar differences are in boo /bu/ and imbue /Im:bju/, where in the second word the b is palatal. The colon (:) marks the accented/emphasized syllable. OK. Then if it's really a yuh, why use a j? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA If a man does his best, what else is there? General George S. Patton -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Matus UHLAR - fantomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16.04.06 22:56, Willie Wonka wrote: Explained another way (hopefully); If you bought a 1,000 Byte (1KB) HDD - you'd lose 24 *Bytes* No. The big 'K' stands for 1024, 1000 is small 'k'. The big 'K' was chosen exactly to differ 1024 from 1000 - small 'k'. But this can't be applied for 'M' because big 'M' is 1 000 000, while smal 'm' is 0.001 (1/1000). If you bought a 1,000,000 Byte (1MB) HDD - you'd lose 48 *KiloBytes* If you bought a 1,000,000,000 Byte (1GB) HDD - you'd lose 73 *MegaBytes* If you bought a 1,000,000,000,000 Byte (1TB) HDD - you'd lose 99 *GigaBytes* Luckily, HDD manufacturers count with KB/KiB (1024B)'s, so 10GB HDD was counted as 1 000 000 KB - 1 024 000 000 Bytes. This was because HDD's use 512B sectors, and it's easier to divide number of sectors by 2 than to multiply it by 512. No they don't. This is what fdisk reports for my 20 GB HDD: Disk /dev/hda: 20.0 GB, 20003880960 bytes 240 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2584 cylinders Regards Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Willie Wonka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 16.04.06 22:56, Willie Wonka wrote: Explained another way (hopefully); If you bought a 1,000 Byte (1KB) HDD - you'd lose 24 *Bytes* No. The big 'K' stands for 1024, 1000 is small 'k'. The big 'K' was chosen exactly to differ 1024 from 1000 - small 'k'. But this can't be applied for 'M' because big 'M' is 1 000 000, while smal 'm' is 0.001 (1/1000). So what do you propose as a solution ?? Maybe I'm dense, but; kb = kilobit KB = KiloByte mb = megabit MB = MegaByte 1 bit * 8 = 1 byte 1 Byte / 8 = 1 bit AFAIK the only standard abbreviations are the clasic SI. 1k = 1000, 1M=1.000.000, and so on. I don't know of any other standard. Of course, this doesn't mean it doesn't exist :) Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
On Tuesday 18 April 2006 05:31, Willie Wonka wrote: Maybe I'm dense, but; kb = kilobit KB = KiloByte mb = megabit MB = MegaByte 1 bit * 8 = 1 byte 1 Byte / 8 = 1 bit That's right, except it's kb or kB (for kilobits and kilobytes respectively), never KB or Kb. k is kilo, K is Karat. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpEUZdglzaqM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Andrei Popescu wrote: Willie Wonka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually - Block sizes are what they are (in binary), because computers use Binary language to communicate/operate...Many HDD manufacturers just like to *lie* and use a diff integer base (base10)...to make the HDD look larger. Remember (if you use their base10 game) you lose approximately 99GiB per every TeraByte of space; 1 TB = 10^12 = 1,000,000,000,000 (base10 - decimal) 1 TiB = 2^40 = 1,099,511,627,776 (base2 - binary) Hi; Nice to see/have *any* reply in such an askewed thread (it's my fault though for even posting in this thread - after so many other branches have grown out sideways into various areas :-)). I didn't realize how large a post I created either - not to mention the fact; one of my paragraphs seem to have spontaneously regenerated/duplicated itself. :-O Your calculation is correct, but I would think the other way about this issue. Manufacturers will sell HDD of 1 TB = 1000 GB which is aprox. 931 GiB. So you loose 69 GiB for every TB. I see you're using the 93.1% rule though... To me, this is an incorrect way to calculate, since the differences in sizes, between binary and decimal values, increases as the HDD sizes increasei.e.; the larger the HDD, the larger the discrepancy between base10 and base2 - hence; Binary Example 1,024 1,048,576 1,073,741,824 1,099,511,627,776 notice the 'column' of numbers (aligned vertically, from the top); 024 048 073 099 The difference (between decimal/binary) as sizes increase is _never_ the same *percentage* wise...The binary total is *compounded* as the sizes increase...(to a degree, and for lack of a better word). Explained another way (hopefully); If you bought a 1,000 Byte (1KB) HDD - you'd lose 24 *Bytes* If you bought a 1,000,000 Byte (1MB) HDD - you'd lose 48 *KiloBytes* If you bought a 1,000,000,000 Byte (1GB) HDD - you'd lose 73 *MegaBytes* If you bought a 1,000,000,000,000 Byte (1TB) HDD - you'd lose 99 *GigaBytes* Pertaining to sizes of HDD -- The more you buy, the more you lose. The Larger the HDD, the Larger the amount of lost area, in the conversion. What you *appear* to be doing (as do many others; likely unintentionally) is just taking ~93.1% of a given base10 number. Hence; 1,000,000,000,000 * .931 = 931,000,000,000 = *your* 931 [G]iB *result* 1,000,000,000 * .931 = 931,000,000 = *your* 931 [M]iB *result* 1,000,000 * .931 = 931,000 = *your* 931 [K]iB *result* But by doing so, you can do this with ANY power of 10 and still arrive at the *same*percentage* as the sum/total...which is not the case IMHOI am open to correction though. To try and sum up my point; Everytime you step *up* using a power of 10, you lose MORE when converting to Binary. IMHO; 1024 * 1024 = Correct 1024 * 1000 = Incorrect 1000 * 1000 = Incorrect I think much of the confusion stems from the numeric *starting* point. Perhaps I'm just Full_of_$Hit ...and I have been wrong before in my life :-) Here is what I know about HDDs and stuff, someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Tracks are something else. Physically a HDD is divided into cylinders, heads, tracks and sectors. A track contains more sectors. I would have to draw to explain this nice, but I'm sure you can find that on the web. I actually already have nice pictures/diagrams of HDDs, but thank you ;-) Tracks are clusters of Sectors (of a set size) - AFAIK In this example, I'll use [Sector=512Bytes] and [Track=4096Bytes = 8 Sectors]. Data (File) that occupies more space than 1 sector (512Bytes), will fill up those sectors until the Track/Block/Cluster (8 sectors) is full, ...and a larger File will then overflow onto the next Sectors/Track, and so on -- this is merely a consequence of *contiguous* writing of data. Fragmentation occurs from Non-contiguous writes to the disk (storage of data). Definition; Contiguous describes two or more objects that are adjacent to each other. In computing, contiguous data is data that is moved or stored in a solid uninterrupted block. In general, contiguous data can be accessed more quickly than data that is stored in fragments because fewer access operations will be required. Files are sometimes stored in fragments so that storage space can be used more efficiently (all the small spaces can be used). Cylinders are ring-shaped, vertically aligned areas of the HDD - think of stacking doughnuts or rings; one on top of each other, the only difference (besides the obvious), is that no 2 stacks of cylinders/doughnuts/rings are the same physical size...yet they are stacked vertically (according to the platters). This all starts to get real *funky* once you start using LBA, instead of *phsyical* address. The smallest physical unit is the sector which is always 512 B. When you format a partition you divide it in allocation units. In *nix they are called blocks, in MS clusters. Yes,
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Willie Wonka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Binary Example 1,024 1,048,576 1,073,741,824 1,099,511,627,776 notice the 'column' of numbers (aligned vertically, from the top); 024 048 073 099 The difference (between decimal/binary) as sizes increase is _never_ the same *percentage* wise...The binary total is *compounded* as the sizes increase...(to a degree, and for lack of a better word). Explained another way (hopefully); If you bought a 1,000 Byte (1KB) HDD - you'd lose 24 *Bytes* If you bought a 1,000,000 Byte (1MB) HDD - you'd lose 48 *KiloBytes* If you bought a 1,000,000,000 Byte (1GB) HDD - you'd lose 73 *MegaBytes* If you bought a 1,000,000,000,000 Byte (1TB) HDD - you'd lose 99 *GigaBytes* Pertaining to sizes of HDD -- The more you buy, the more you lose. The Larger the HDD, the Larger the amount of lost area, in the conversion. Agree What you *appear* to be doing (as do many others; likely unintentionally) is just taking ~93.1% of a given base10 number. Hence; 1,000,000,000,000 * .931 = 931,000,000,000 = *your* 931 [G]iB *result* 1,000,000,000 * .931 = 931,000,000 = *your* 931 [M]iB *result* 1,000,000 * .931 = 931,000 = *your* 931 [K]iB *result* But by doing so, you can do this with ANY power of 10 and still arrive at the *same*percentage* as the sum/total...which is not the case IMHOI am open to correction though. To try and sum up my point; Everytime you step *up* using a power of 10, you lose MORE when converting to Binary. IMHO; 1024 * 1024 = Correct 1024 * 1000 = Incorrect 1000 * 1000 = Incorrect I think much of the confusion stems from the numeric *starting* point. Perhaps I'm just Full_of_$Hit ...and I have been wrong before in my life :-) I did the calculations only for the TB/TiB case, but you have to redo the calculation for ever given size. Real life case: my laptop has a 20GB HDD = 20 B /1024 /1024 = ~ 19.07 GiB = I lose ~ 903 MiB. For me this makes more logic, as there will never be a 20, 80, 200 GiB HDD, they are all 20, 80, 200 GB. What real size they have, you have to calculate for each one. Your rule is correct, but it doesn't tell me what the size of a given HDD is. Here is what I know about HDDs and stuff, someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Tracks are something else. Physically a HDD is divided into cylinders, heads, tracks and sectors. A track contains more sectors. I would have to draw to explain this nice, but I'm sure you can find that on the web. I actually already have nice pictures/diagrams of HDDs, but thank you ;-) Tracks are clusters of Sectors (of a set size) - AFAIK In this example, I'll use [Sector=512Bytes] and [Track=4096Bytes = 8 Sectors]. Data (File) that occupies more space than 1 sector (512Bytes), will fill up those sectors until the Track/Block/Cluster (8 sectors) is full, ...and a larger File will then overflow onto the next Sectors/Track, and so on -- this is merely a consequence of *contiguous* writing of data. You can't mix tracks and sectors with blocks/clusters. The former are physical 'units' while the later are logical. Fragmentation occurs from Non-contiguous writes to the disk (storage of data). Definition; Contiguous describes two or more objects that are adjacent to each other. In computing, contiguous data is data that is moved or stored in a solid uninterrupted block. In general, contiguous data can be accessed more quickly than data that is stored in fragments because fewer access operations will be required. Files are sometimes stored in fragments so that storage space can be used more efficiently (all the small spaces can be used). Cylinders are ring-shaped, vertically aligned areas of the HDD - think of stacking doughnuts or rings; one on top of each other, the only difference (besides the obvious), is that no 2 stacks of cylinders/doughnuts/rings are the same physical size...yet they are stacked vertically (according to the platters). This all starts to get real *funky* once you start using LBA, instead of *phsyical* address. And a track is one dough-nut. And because in reality the radius of the dough-nut and hence also its length, the number of sectors/track is variable. But the OS doesn't see this. The numbers are converted inside the HDD logic and passed to the BIOS/OS as if the number of sectors/track is constant. Otherwise a C/H/S address would make no sense to the BIOS/OS. The smallest physical unit is the sector which is always 512 B. When you format a partition you divide it in allocation units. In *nix they are called blocks, in MS clusters. Yes, I concur; but I'd refine it to *a group of sectors, which has a set size* perhaps. and that size is always 2^x * 512B where x is a positive integer value (zero allowed). How big it can get depends on filesystem limitations. Bye Andrei -- If you can't explain it
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:32:48 +0300
Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree. And the resulting text is not so unintelligible if you are
used to phonetic spelling.
Like the Romanian language has. (Just to be clear)
Are you sure? Many native speakers of languages *think* they have
phonetic spelling when they do not. I have, for example, had
conversations with several Russians who believe that Russian
is spelled phonetically. Phonetic means for each symbol there
is exactly one sound associated, and for each sound there is exactly
one symbol. Many speakers of Spanish believe it is spelled
phonetically (at least for the Madrid dialect) with just a few
exceptions (like the silent h). This is quite untrue, but
usually requires pointing out some counterexamples.
As an example of the latter, the s is pronounced z before
m and d, like in desde which is pronounced dezde
(meaning, roughly, since). I've had an argument one time with
a fellow from Spain on this point, and until I got another
speaker from Spain to listen, he wouldn't admit he had a
Catalan accent because he pronounced it desde.
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Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Magnus Therning wrote:
I can't believe I'm jumping into this.
On Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 06:28:54AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
* Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006 Apr 16 04:13 -0500]:
On Sun, 2006-04-16 at 09:13 +0100, Chris Lale wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
And c will still be needed for ch (as in church, not the k
in school/skool).
Don't forget that the non-US pronunciation of schedule is soft
(sh-edule),
Well, then pronounce it properly! :)
Then why do I hear Aussies (and some others) pronounce 'idea' as
'ide'er', or 'Daytona' as 'Daytoner'?
It's not only Aussies who add 'r' at the end of words, then English do
as well. Especially when two vowels collide:
So did Jack Kennedy. In my family, we all used to cringe when
he talked about Cuber. It's called the instrusive r. In
dialects using it, the r is normally dropped also unless it
occurs before a vowel. So, for example, in BAHstan (Boston)
one pahks the cah (parks the car). So the r at the end
of a word, or before a consonant, is not pronounced, but if
a word ends in a vowel then an extra r is added.
And nobody knows why.
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Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Paul Johnson wrote:
On Sunday 16 April 2006 04:28, Nate Bargmann wrote:
* Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006 Apr 16 04:13 -0500]:
On Sun, 2006-04-16 at 09:13 +0100, Chris Lale wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
And c will still be needed for ch (as in church, not the k
in school/skool).
Don't forget that the non-US pronunciation of schedule is soft
(sh-edule),
Well, then pronounce it properly! :)
Then why do I hear Aussies (and some others) pronounce 'idea' as
'ide'er', or 'Daytona' as 'Daytoner'?
Same reason Warshingtonians can't say -ash without adding an R. Wash
becomes Warsh, Slash becomes Slarsh, etc...
Not just Washingtonians. This is a general feature of the Low
Southern USA dialect. (Low as in not living on the mountain
top.)
Mike
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Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Andrei Popescu wrote: Willie Wonka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Binary Example 1,024 1,048,576 1,073,741,824 1,099,511,627,776 [snipped] To try and sum up my point; Everytime you step *up* using a power of 10, you lose MORE when converting to Binary. IMHO; 1024 * 1024 = Correct 1024 * 1000 = Incorrect 1000 * 1000 = Incorrect I think much of the confusion stems from the numeric *starting* point. Perhaps I'm just Full_of_$Hit ...and I have been wrong before in my life :-) I did the calculations only for the TB/TiB case, but you have to redo the calculation for ever given size. Real life case: my laptop has a 20GB HDD = 20 B /1024 /1024 = ~ 19.07 GiB = I lose ~ 903 MiB. For me this makes more logic, as there will never be a 20, 80, 200 GiB HDD, they are all 20, 80, 200 GB. What real size they have, you have to calculate for each one. Your rule is correct, but it doesn't tell me what the size of a given HDD is. I concur; -- however (and I should refine my statement earlier, about HDD Manu's in general, as a *lie* - to perhaps *exaggerate*, or a similarly less harsh word), - your 20GB HDD actually size (contains) is more than 20 Billion Bytes (likely ~20,587,000,000 bytes). This just makes for unnecessary further confusion..here's an example using the 'hdparm' utility (which I'm sure you're familiar with); e.g.; I have some 80GB HDDs here, which are actually 82,348MB -or- 78,533MiB ~$ sudo hdparm -I /dev/hda ... ... device size with M = 1024*1024: 78533 MBytes device size with M = 1000*1000: 82348 MBytes (82 GB) In this example, I'll use [Sector=512Bytes] and [Track=4096Bytes = 8 Sectors]. Data (File) that occupies more space than 1 sector (512Bytes), will fill up those sectors until the Track/Block/Cluster (8 sectors) is full, ...and a larger File will then overflow onto the next Sectors/Track, and so on -- this is merely a consequence of *contiguous* writing of data. You can't mix tracks and sectors with blocks/clusters. The former are physical 'units' while the later are logical. I think I'll leave this part of the topic alone for now, since I need to brush up on my understanding of the 'physical' (CHS) vs 'logical' (LBA) differences, but indeed a *Track* in Linux seems to contain 63 sectors, as noticed again using 'hdparm' ~$ sudo hdparm -I /dev/hda Configuration: Logical max current cylinders 16383 65535 heads 16 1 sectors/track 63 63 -- CHS current addressable sectors:4128705 LBAuser addressable sectors: 160836480 LBA48 user addressable sectors: 160836480 Cylinders are ring-shaped, vertically aligned areas of the HDD - think of stacking doughnuts or rings; one on top of each other, the only difference (besides the obvious), is that no 2 stacks of cylinders/doughnuts/rings are the same physical size...yet they are stacked vertically (according to the platters). This all starts to get real *funky* once you start using LBA, instead of *phsyical* address. And a track is one dough-nut. And because in reality the radius of the dough-nut and hence also its length, the number of sectors/track is variable. But the OS doesn't see this. The numbers are converted inside the HDD logic and passed to the BIOS/OS as if the number of sectors/track is constant. Otherwise a C/H/S address would make no sense to the BIOS/OS. I'll accept that info for now... thanks; I'll digest it over time, and research a bit more, before again addressing this sub-topic ;) The smallest physical unit is the sector which is always 512 B. When you format a partition you divide it in allocation units. In *nix they are called blocks, in MS clusters. Yes, I concur; but I'd refine it to *a group of sectors, which has a set size* perhaps. and that size is always 2^x * 512B where x is a positive integer value (zero allowed). How big it can get depends on filesystem limitations. Yep Ok Bye Andrei I appreciated this dialog/dialogue :-) All I can think of now, because I'm hungry is (donuts/doughnuts/dough-nuts). Regards __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
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The Dutch language has gone through spelling reform. But even so, not
all letters have single sounds, and not all sounds have single
spellings. What I have noticed, though, is that every case I've seen
in which one sound appears to have several spellings, there is some
local dialect of Dutch somewhere that pronounces the two spellings
differently.
So the persence of local variations in pronunciation is a barrier to
further regularization of spelling.
This is a general feature of all languages.
I'm sure the same would be true of English, although I suspect the
situation could be much better than it is now.
It is the cause of much of the spelling irregularity in English.
English started out as a collection of mutually unintelligible
dialects, which gradually merged. There used to be commentary
on the land of eggen and the land of eyyen (the g in egg
being pronounced variously as a modern g or as a y, compare
with german Ei). In various dialects, these words were
pronounced as indicated
through thruf throokh thrau throw
rough ruf rookh rau row
bough buf bookh bau bow
enough eenuf eenookh eenau eenow
kh = german ach Laut or Scottish loch
ou = as in house
ow = as in know
ee = as in meet
The pronunciation eenow can still be found.
When the dialects merged, some words came from one dialect,
others came from other dialects. So, the spelling, although
at one time consistent, is no longer.
And then there's the Battle of Hastings.
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