Re: dialup modem recommendation for debian sagre?
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:42 am, Katipo wrote: --- Yuri Gorshkov wrote: --- --- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- --- Hash: SHA1 --- --- Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: --- --- --- --- The only dialup modem to get is an external USRobotics 56K modem. It --- hooks up to your serial port and is always recognized w/o driver needs. --- I will never ever get another modem. I also live where there is no --- broadband. --- --- --- Hey, believe me... The best modem you can buy is the old Courier V.EVR --- and 25MHz clock speed. They're doing great even on terrible lines, have --- HST (as the last option) and they're reliable. You may also try an --- unofficial firmware if you have a bad line. Here in Russia we use ID_SDL --- and it performs great (but is almost unknown by non-Russian users...). --- Also we have very bad lines here sometimes... so... stick with USR (or --- Paradyne... if you want to pay $1000 for a dial-up modem ;)) --- --- --- --- Just get a Maestro Woomera. --- --- It's based on a Rockwell 56K chip, so it's recognised during install, --- and has many other features including self-adjusting resistance level to --- compensate for line fluctuations. --- In five years, in a rural setting with wild line fluctuations, I've --- never had a connection drop at my end. --- --- I second that and we run it off a telephone line that is not much better than two tin cans with a piece of string in between, in the bush. -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 +++ I did not wish to take a cabin passage, but rather to go before the mast and on the deck of the world, for there I could best see the moonlight amid the mountains. I do not wish to go below now. ...Henry David Thoreau *** Debian Sarge 3.1.. loving it ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dialup modem recommendation for debian sagre?
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 06:28:44AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: The only dialup modem to get is an external USRobotics 56K modem. It hooks up to your serial port and is always recognized w/o driver needs. I will never ever get another modem. I also live where there is no broadband. I can personally recommend these, too: although it's been many years since I last used it. Worked very well with a variety of modem scripts and PPP tools. I generally got a better transfer rate (not that I'd split hairs over 2KB/s these days) than some other ones I tried, too. -- Jon Dowland http://jon.dowland.name/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dialup modem recommendation for debian sagre?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: The only dialup modem to get is an external USRobotics 56K modem. It hooks up to your serial port and is always recognized w/o driver needs. I will never ever get another modem. I also live where there is no broadband. Hey, believe me... The best modem you can buy is the old Courier V.EVR and 25MHz clock speed. They're doing great even on terrible lines, have HST (as the last option) and they're reliable. You may also try an unofficial firmware if you have a bad line. Here in Russia we use ID_SDL and it performs great (but is almost unknown by non-Russian users...). Also we have very bad lines here sometimes... so... stick with USR (or Paradyne... if you want to pay $1000 for a dial-up modem ;)) - -- .---. | ^. .^ | Meow! I'm a little kitten trapped in this .signature cookie! | = ^ = | Let me out and I'll be your friend. | v---v | And remember: each time you use Windows, God kills a kitten! `---' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDgGzIoMxqz7LeBAgRAoEmAKDcAvKc73riclAX9wTnIgiEXDoQsgCcCkJz a0zYgx1RL8EPu4caMDsYtXQ= =AfM/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Yuri Gorshkov n:Gorshkov;Yuri email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] note;quoted-printable:ICQ UIN: 147097952=0D=0A= IRC: RusNet, Wild, Wild[pda] (use irc.rinet.ru:6669)=0D=0A= Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo: connect_failed=0D=0A= GPG key ID: B2DE0408=0D=0A= GPG key fingerprint: 2407 9EDA ABC1 9204 D21F 2D34 A0CC 6ACF B2DE 0408 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: dialup modem recommendation for debian sagre?
Yuri Gorshkov wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: The only dialup modem to get is an external USRobotics 56K modem. It hooks up to your serial port and is always recognized w/o driver needs. I will never ever get another modem. I also live where there is no broadband. Hey, believe me... The best modem you can buy is the old Courier V.EVR and 25MHz clock speed. They're doing great even on terrible lines, have HST (as the last option) and they're reliable. You may also try an unofficial firmware if you have a bad line. Here in Russia we use ID_SDL and it performs great (but is almost unknown by non-Russian users...). Also we have very bad lines here sometimes... so... stick with USR (or Paradyne... if you want to pay $1000 for a dial-up modem ;)) Just get a Maestro Woomera. It's based on a Rockwell 56K chip, so it's recognised during install, and has many other features including self-adjusting resistance level to compensate for line fluctuations. In five years, in a rural setting with wild line fluctuations, I've never had a connection drop at my end. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dialup modem recommendation for debian sagre?
robert wrote: - Original Message - From: Katipo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:42 AM Subject: Re: dialup modem recommendation for debian sagre? Just get a Maestro Woomera. It's based on a Rockwell 56K chip, so it's recognised during install, and has many other features including self-adjusting resistance level to compensate for line fluctuations. In five years, in a rural setting with wild line fluctuations, I've never had a connection drop at my end. Most external serial modems will work with linux (debian)! I use a Topic, works like a swiss watch.I've used it on Debian, Knoppix, Kanotix and Ubuntu. webguy Depends on where you are. Anything will work in the city where everything is nice and stable. But where you have a powerline going over an electric fence, for example, and that electric fence gets turned on, an electric field is set up and you'll drop your connection. This doesn't happen with a Woomera. It alters its resistance factor immediately, to compensate so you don't lose the connection. It also stores a history of each connection so that it can react even more efficiently in the future on each line you may happen to connect through. It has a number of other features that should be standard on all modems, but aren't. The Woomera was researched and created for the rural environment, and I believe that's what the OP was inquiring about. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dialup modem recommendation for debian sagre?
Bruno Buys wrote: I moved recently, and there´s no easy/cheap broadband in the new address. So, what do I need to run a dialup modem on my debian sarge? Guess the best model I can find would be a hard pci us-robotics or similar (there are winmodems available, but I´m avoiding these). Are they debian friendly? Does anybody here have one of these? What packages do I need? Thanks! The only dialup modem to get is an external USRobotics 56K modem. It hooks up to your serial port and is always recognized w/o driver needs. I will never ever get another modem. I also live where there is no broadband. H -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: dialup modem recommendation for debian sagre?
Guess the best model I can find would be a hard pci us-robotics indeed! What packages do I need? kppp or wvdial Cheers, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dialup modem recommendation for debian sagre?
Bruno Buys writes: I moved recently, and there´s no easy/cheap broadband in the new address. So, what do I need to run a dialup modem on my debian sarge? Hook up your modem, run pppconfig, and follow instructions. Guess the best model I can find would be a hard pci us-robotics or similar... No. The best you could do is buy an old USR external modem on eBay. (there are winmodems available, but I´m avoiding these). Are they debian friendly? Some winmodems can be used with Linux but they are not at all friendly. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dialup modem recommendation for debian sagre?
John Hasler wrote: Bruno Buys writes: I moved recently, and there´s no easy/cheap broadband in the new address. So, what do I need to run a dialup modem on my debian sarge? Hook up your modem, run pppconfig, and follow instructions. To the point. I like that. Thanks John. Guess the best model I can find would be a hard pci us-robotics or similar... No. The best you could do is buy an old USR external modem on eBay. I´d rather not buy on internet. Besides, I need to connect today. Shippings to brasil take to long... An usr hard pci modem would be the best modem I can buy on ordinary street vendors asround here. (there are winmodems available, but I´m avoiding these). Are they debian friendly? Some winmodems can be used with Linux but they are not at all friendly. I was referring to the usr. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dialup modem recommendation for debian sagre?
--- Bruno Buys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Hasler wrote: Bruno Buys writes: (there are winmodems available, but I´m avoiding these). Are they debian friendly? Some winmodems can be used with Linux but they are not at all friendly. I was referring to the usr. Most internal PCI modems -- that aren't winmodems -- will work fine with Sarge; whether they're U.S. Robotics or not. Go to a used computer shop (if there are any around you); they'll probably have a box of them stripped from old systems that they're not doing anything with. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dialup modem recommendation for debian sagre?
John M. Gabriele wrote: --- Bruno Buys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Hasler wrote: Bruno Buys writes: (there are winmodems available, but I´m avoiding these). Are they debian friendly? Some winmodems can be used with Linux but they are not at all friendly. I was referring to the usr. Most internal PCI modems -- that aren't winmodems -- will work fine with Sarge; whether they're U.S. Robotics or not. Go to a used computer shop (if there are any around you); they'll probably have a box of them stripped from old systems that they're not doing anything with. I can do that. Thanks John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dialup modem recommendation for debian sagre?
John M. Gabriele wrote: Go to a used computer shop (if there are any around you); they'll probably have a box of them stripped from old systems that they're not doing anything with. Yes, that is the way to go. A couple of weeks ago somone threw away an IBM PC in the basement of my building. The person stripped out everything he could (even the EDO RAM). But I think he didn't need the modem. I took it out and tested it on my box. Luckily it was USR 56K* V.92 Performance Pro Modem 5610b. Works like a charm using wvdial :) Its hard to find a hardware dialup modem here, and if you do find them they are around $70. So that find was a really nice one for me. Good Luck /kds -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dialup modem recommendation for debian sagre?
John M. Gabriele writes: Most internal PCI modems -- that aren't winmodems -- will work fine with Sarge; whether they're U.S. Robotics or not. They will get by, but they will put your computer at increased risk of lightning damage. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dialup modem recommendation for debian sagre?
[This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Hasler wrote: Bruno Buys writes: I moved recently, and there´s no easy/cheap broadband in the new address. So, what do I need to run a dialup modem on my debian sarge? Hook up your modem, run pppconfig, and follow instructions. Guess the best model I can find would be a hard pci us-robotics or similar... Be very careful there. There are many kinds of hardware PCI modems. Almost all of them contain some signal processing hardware, which is what distinguishes them from the typical software modem. But hardly any of them contain hardware which emulates the traditional 16550 serial port or the defacto standard Hayes AT command set behind it. Almost all hardware modems for sale on Ebay will not work with Debian out of the box. There are many 3Com/USR hardware PCI modem types. Only one of those actually emulates 16550 and Hayes ATDT and it appears at a strange serial port location. Knoppix won't find it. Sarge won't find it. You will have to research and fiddle around and try nonfree drivers and it is a huge pain in the ass. 16550+Hayes emulation just never caught on in the PCI modem market, and it's a damn shame. (I suspect it was because of Hayes' stupid software patent on their plusplusplus delay feature. 16550 emulation isn't expensive any more, and helps performance, but the Hayes royalty was expensive. Yet another unexpected harmful effect of software patents.) The Ebay vendors do not know this. Most of them do not care either. They know nothing but Microsoft, and in that world all modems come with a CD which automatically installs an appropriate driver. They will sell you a hardware modem that works with Linux! and throw in a CD with some random driver they downloaded from linmodems.org but never tested, and you will never get it working. No. The best you could do is buy an old USR external modem on eBay. (there are winmodems available, but I´m avoiding these). Are they debian friendly? Some winmodems can be used with Linux but they are not at all friendly. Winmodem is a 3Com trademark. There are many non-3Com hardware modems on Ebay that are useless crap because nobody has written the part of the Linux driver to do the AT command set. Web sites like linmodems.org and start.at/modem are years out of date, and unmaintained, and full of wrong recommendations and instructions which DO NOT WORK in the general case. They are also full of anectdotes (it works for me!!!) from people who just happened to get lucky. I assure you, for every it works for me!!! cluebie there are ten frustrated would be Linux users who gave up on Linux and went back to MS-Windows because they could not get their garbage PCI hardware modem working. Save yourself hours of frustration. PCI modems are an MS-Windows-only thing. Stay away. Buy an external modem for your serial port. This goes double for Card-bus. Card-bus is the PCI-like PCMCIA slot in most laptops. You will probably never get a Cardbus modem working. Cameron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dialup modem recommendation for debian sagre?
On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:26 am, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: --- [This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.] --- In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Hasler wrote: --- Bruno Buys writes: --- I moved recently, and there´s no easy/cheap broadband in the new --- address. So, what do I need to run a dialup modem on my debian sarge? --- --- Hook up your modem, run pppconfig, and follow instructions. --- --- Guess the best model I can find would be a hard pci us-robotics or --- similar... --- --- Be very careful there. There are many kinds of hardware PCI --- modems. Almost all of them contain some signal processing hardware, --- which is what distinguishes them from the typical software --- modem. But hardly any of them contain hardware which emulates --- the traditional 16550 serial port or the defacto standard Hayes --- AT command set behind it. Almost all hardware modems --- for sale on Ebay will not work with Debian out of the box. --- There are many 3Com/USR hardware PCI modem types. Only one of --- those actually emulates 16550 and Hayes ATDT and it appears at --- a strange serial port location. Knoppix won't find it. --- Sarge won't find it. --- --- You will have to research and fiddle around and try nonfree drivers --- and it is a huge pain in the ass. 16550+Hayes emulation just never --- caught on in the PCI modem market, and it's a damn shame. --- (I suspect it was because of Hayes' stupid software patent on --- their plusplusplus delay feature. 16550 emulation isn't expensive --- any more, and helps performance, but the Hayes royalty was expensive. --- Yet another unexpected harmful effect of software patents.) --- --- The Ebay vendors do not know this. Most of them do not care either. --- They know nothing but Microsoft, and in that world all modems come --- with a CD which automatically installs an appropriate driver. --- They will sell you a hardware modem that works with Linux! --- and throw in a CD with some random driver they downloaded from --- linmodems.org but never tested, and you will never get it working. --- --- --- --- --- No. The best you could do is buy an old USR external modem on eBay. --- --- (there are winmodems available, but I´m avoiding these). Are they debian --- friendly? --- --- Some winmodems can be used with Linux but they are not at all friendly. --- --- Winmodem is a 3Com trademark. There are many non-3Com hardware --- modems on Ebay that are useless crap because nobody has written --- the part of the Linux driver to do the AT command set. --- Web sites like linmodems.org and start.at/modem are years out of date, --- and unmaintained, and full of wrong recommendations and instructions --- which DO NOT WORK in the general case. --- They are also full of anectdotes (it works for me!!!) from --- people who just happened to get lucky. --- I assure you, for every it works for me!!! cluebie there are --- ten frustrated would be Linux users who gave up on Linux and went --- back to MS-Windows because they could not get their garbage PCI --- hardware modem working. --- --- Save yourself hours of frustration. PCI modems are an MS-Windows-only --- thing. Stay away. Buy an external modem for your serial port. --- This goes double for Card-bus. Card-bus is the PCI-like PCMCIA --- slot in most laptops. You will probably never get a Cardbus modem --- working. --- --- --- Cameron A bit expensive, but because we never look like getting anything except dial up through copper wire, I have had for the last 9 years, a Maestro Woomera external modem that does everything, including allowing me to monitor the speed of the connection constantly, except wash the car. Best investment I have ever made. HTH -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 +++ In the long run you hit only what you aim at. Therefore, though you should fail immediately, you had better aim at something high. .Henry David Thoreau *** Debian Sarge 3.1.. loving it ___
Re: dialup modem recommendation for debian sagre?
A bit expensive, but because we never look like getting anything except dial up through copper wire, I have had for the last 9 years, a Maestro Woomera external modem that does everything, including allowing me to monitor the speed of the connection constantly, except wash the car. Best investment I have ever made. Exactly right! Never had a dropped connection at my end. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dialup modem recommendation for debian sagre?
On Monday 07 November 2005 11:22 am, Bruno Buys wrote: John M. Gabriele wrote: --- Bruno Buys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Hasler wrote: Bruno Buys writes: (there are winmodems available, but I´m avoiding these). Are they debian friendly? Some winmodems can be used with Linux but they are not at all friendly. I was referring to the usr. Most internal PCI modems -- that aren't winmodems -- will work fine with Sarge; whether they're U.S. Robotics or not. Go to a used computer shop (if there are any around you); they'll probably have a box of them stripped from old systems that they're not doing anything with. I can do that. Thanks John. I have an X-media v.92 56k serial modem that I used just last month before moving up to DSL. It worked great with WVDIAL and a quick setup in Debian. It's for sale if you're interested. Contact me via email at: trailnut707 AT Yahoo DOT com if you're interested. --Rob
