Re: hard drive configuration
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 02:28:26PM +0200, Andrej Kacian wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:28:32 -0700 > Freeman wrote: > > >The disadvantage is wasted space, since each partition has some expansion > >room that equals lost contiguous bulk space. (Reading up on LVM's is on my > >todo list.) > > You really should, there's no reason not to use LVM, especially for wacky > setup like yours. :) > Thanx. On this list, that is quite a complement! ;) I'll assign a higher priority to the LVM todo. -- Regards, Freeman "Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO (or Linux) is the answer." --Somebody -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110611220625.GB4954@Deneb.office
Re: hard drive configuration
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:28:32 -0700 Freeman wrote: >The disadvantage is wasted space, since each partition has some expansion >room that equals lost contiguous bulk space. (Reading up on LVM's is on my >todo list.) You really should, there's no reason not to use LVM, especially for wacky setup like yours. :) -- Andrej Kacian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110611142826.57e95e65@penny
Re: hard drive configuration
On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 04:50 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 06/11/2011 04:22 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > [snip] > > > > I don't like to insert a CD either :). > > > > I can't tell if you're telling a joke or being eccentric. Both :), kidding here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307788991.2378.126.camel@debian
Re: hard drive configuration
On 06/11/2011 04:22 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: [snip] I don't like to insert a CD either :). I can't tell if you're telling a joke or being eccentric. -- "Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df33a74.9040...@cox.net
Re: hard drive configuration
On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 04:17 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > On 6/10/2011 2:11 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 21:49 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> for single user or > >> > >> / > >> /home > >> /media/big -> /home/$user1/big > >> /media/big -> /home/$user2/big > > > > For a single user I switched from / + /home to / only. > > For special tasks I add e.g. /music_productions to /mnt or /home. > > > > The advantage to have / only, including /home is, that you don't need > > think that much about allocation of free space. You anyway can do > > separated backups. And having tons of individual mounted directories > > won't speed up anything or won't have any other advantage. It might be > > different for servers or what ever, but for a single user? > > Always have a /boot partition with kernel file etc so you can still boot > the machine if you roast your / filesystem. Sure, live CDs are handy, > but it's more handy if you can boot to a prompt and troubleshoot without > inserting a CD. Plausible. I've got a multi-boot, so if one Linux fails, I can boot another to repair it. I don't like to insert a CD either :). Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307784157.2378.75.camel@debian
Re: hard drive configuration
On 6/10/2011 2:11 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 21:49 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> for single user or >> >> / >> /home >> /media/big -> /home/$user1/big >> /media/big -> /home/$user2/big > > For a single user I switched from / + /home to / only. > For special tasks I add e.g. /music_productions to /mnt or /home. > > The advantage to have / only, including /home is, that you don't need > think that much about allocation of free space. You anyway can do > separated backups. And having tons of individual mounted directories > won't speed up anything or won't have any other advantage. It might be > different for servers or what ever, but for a single user? Always have a /boot partition with kernel file etc so you can still boot the machine if you roast your / filesystem. Sure, live CDs are handy, but it's more handy if you can boot to a prompt and troubleshoot without inserting a CD. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df332be.10...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: hard drive configuration
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 09:23:08AM -0700, prad wrote: > in the past we've had two partitions: > / > /data > into the latter went home, www, mail and we'd softlink from the > appropriate places. the nice thing about this setup has always been that > when we upgraded or tried a different system there wasn't any data > copying to do. > > now we've been experimenting with xfs on which there will be openvs > containers to run the web/mail servers. containers go into /var/lib/vz > and we're thinking of keeping them in a separate partition > too. additionally, we've split things up so there are partitions for > /usr /usr/local /tmp /home and so on. > > so i'm musing over whether to have a /data partition as before - it > doesn't seem to make quite the same sense at this stage. however, when > it comes time to change to the next debian, i keep thinking having the > data separate may be an advantage. > > do people have favorite partitioning schemes with appropriate > justifications for them? > I take it to the extreme. /home includes a lot of potentially obsolete or wrong configs during a move to a new system. And there can still be important configs and tweaks in /etc and /usr. And I have lot so data in srv. So I break it up into 7 or 8 partitions. Extra advantages: 1. easily staggered backups according to priorities 2. quick disk checks at boot. Each partition is set to a disk check interval with a unique prime number so partition checks rarely overlap. The disadvantage is wasted space, since each partition has some expansion room that equals lost contiguous bulk space. (Reading up on LVM's is on my todo list.) These are about to burst because I am downloading big files. sda1, 2 & 4 are primaries. 3 is the extended. FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda5 3.3G 2.6G 475M 85% / tmpfs 505M 0 505M 0% /lib/init/rw udev 504M 228K 504M 1% /dev tmpfs 505M 0 505M 0% /dev/shm /dev/sda2 77M 46M 27M 64% /boot /dev/sda6 2.9G 2.7G 118M 96% /usr /dev/sda7 4.1G 3.3G 625M 85% /usr/share /dev/sda8 9.2G 7.8G 900M 90% /home /dev/sda112.2G 1.7G 363M 83% /var /dev/sda124.9G 2.8G 1.9G 60% /srv /dev/sda101.6G 104K 1.5G 1% /tmp /dev/sda4 65G 65G 253M 100% /mnt/Library /dev/sda1 18G 17G 400M 98% /mnt/XP -- Regards, Freeman "Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO (or Linux) is the answer." --Somebody -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110610232832.GA5532@Europa.office
Re: hard drive configuration
On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 00:54 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 10 iun 11, 21:11:49, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > The advantage to have / only, including /home is, that you don't need > > think that much about allocation of free space. You anyway can do > > separated backups. And having tons of individual mounted directories > > won't speed up anything or won't have any other advantage. It might be > > different for servers or what ever, but for a single user? > > It's very convenient for new/re-installs, or if you want to share /home > (i.e. between a sid and a stable install) ;) For a reinstall it's also ok to backup home and restore it later, but ok, for usage with two different installs this is an advantage, OTOH it contains a risk. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307745380.13487.390.camel@debian
Re: hard drive configuration
On Vi, 10 iun 11, 21:11:49, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > The advantage to have / only, including /home is, that you don't need > think that much about allocation of free space. You anyway can do > separated backups. And having tons of individual mounted directories > won't speed up anything or won't have any other advantage. It might be > different for servers or what ever, but for a single user? It's very convenient for new/re-installs, or if you want to share /home (i.e. between a sid and a stable install) ;) Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: hard drive configuration
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 21:49 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > for single user or > > / > /home > /media/big -> /home/$user1/big > /media/big -> /home/$user2/big For a single user I switched from / + /home to / only. For special tasks I add e.g. /music_productions to /mnt or /home. The advantage to have / only, including /home is, that you don't need think that much about allocation of free space. You anyway can do separated backups. And having tons of individual mounted directories won't speed up anything or won't have any other advantage. It might be different for servers or what ever, but for a single user? 2 cents -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307733109.13487.310.camel@debian
Re: hard drive configuration
On Lu, 06 iun 11, 09:23:08, prad wrote: > in the past we've had two partitions: > / > /data > into the latter went home, www, mail and we'd softlink from the > appropriate places. the nice thing about this setup has always been that > when we upgraded or tried a different system there wasn't any data > copying to do. I like an approach closer to the FHS: / /home /home/$user/big for single user or / /home /media/big -> /home/$user1/big /media/big -> /home/$user2/big for more users with shared data. /home is big enough to hold all user configs and documents, while big is for big files :p like photos, music, movies, etc. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: hard drive configuration
On 06/06/2011 11:23 AM, prad wrote: in the past we've had two partitions: / /data into the latter went home, www, mail and we'd softlink from the appropriate places. the nice thing about this setup has always been that when we upgraded or tried a different system there wasn't any data copying to do. now we've been experimenting with xfs on which there will be openvs containers to run the web/mail servers. containers go into /var/lib/vz and we're thinking of keeping them in a separate partition too. additionally, we've split things up so there are partitions for /usr /usr/local /tmp /home and so on. so i'm musing over whether to have a /data partition as before - it doesn't seem to make quite the same sense at this stage. however, when it comes time to change to the next debian, i keep thinking having the data separate may be an advantage. do people have favorite partitioning schemes with appropriate justifications for them? I do something very similar. Note that /Data is on an LV but /home is it's own partition. $ pydf Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sdh592G 8748M 78G 9.3 [...] / /dev/mapper~vg-data_lv 5587G 2937G 2650G 52.6 [##.] /Data /dev/sdh193M 1025k 92M 1.1 [...] /dos /dev/sdh4 480G 22G 433G 4.7 [...] /home encfs 480G 22G 433G 4.7 [...] /home/ron/crypt -- "Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ded0da1.2030...@cox.net
Re: hard drive configuration
* prad [2011-06-06 09:23:08 -0700]: > in the past we've had two partitions: > / > /data > into the latter went home, www, mail and we'd softlink from the > appropriate places. the nice thing about this setup has always been that > when we upgraded or tried a different system there wasn't any data > copying to do. > > now we've been experimenting with xfs on which there will be openvs > containers to run the web/mail servers. containers go into /var/lib/vz > and we're thinking of keeping them in a separate partition > too. additionally, we've split things up so there are partitions for > /usr /usr/local /tmp /home and so on. > > so i'm musing over whether to have a /data partition as before - it > doesn't seem to make quite the same sense at this stage. however, when > it comes time to change to the next debian, i keep thinking having the > data separate may be an advantage. > > do people have favorite partitioning schemes with appropriate > justifications for them? In the past, I've done something simmilar, especially on multi-drive systems. I will usuaully have root (/) on a small raid1 mirror (hard or soft, your choice.) And then do soemthing simmilar w/ /data, whereas /data is running an LVM ontop of the RAID1 array for dynamic partitions. When in doubt, install the system entirely to (/) and then copy over any persistant data to newly created partitions with in the LVM group. Recently, I put together a squeeze system running XFS, this is my layout: ch...@leviathan.xaerolimit.net:~$ sudo pvs; sudo vgs; sudo lvs PV VG Fmt Attr PSize PFree /dev/sda2 swap lvm2 a-11.17g 0 /dev/sda4 tank lvm2 a-41.18g 3.18g /dev/sdb1 swap lvm2 a-11.17g 0 /dev/sdb2 tank lvm2 a-63.37g 13.37g /dev/sdc1 tank lvm2 a- 149.05g 149.05g /dev/sdd1 tank lvm2 a- 232.88g 232.88g /dev/sde1 tank lvm2 a- 465.76g 465.76g VG #PV #LV #SN Attr VSize VFree swap 2 1 0 wz--n- 22.34g 0 tank 5 7 0 wz--n- 952.23g 864.23g LVVG Attr LSize Origin Snap% Move Log Copy% Convert swap swap -wi-ao 22.34g distfiles tank -wi-a- 10.00g home tank -wi-ao 50.00g opt tank -wi-ao 5.00g portage tank -wi-a- 1.00g tmp tank -wi-ao 2.00g usr tank -wi-ao 10.00g var tank -wi-ao 10.00g ch...@leviathan.xaerolimit.net:~$ mount /dev/sda3 on / type xfs (rw) tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755) proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620) /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw) /dev/mapper/tank-home on /home type xfs (rw,grpquota,usrquota) /dev/mapper/tank-opt on /opt type xfs (rw) /dev/mapper/tank-tmp on /tmp type xfs (rw) /dev/mapper/tank-usr on /usr type xfs (rw) /dev/mapper/tank-var on /var type xfs (rw) ch...@leviathan.xaerolimit.net:~$ -- > A: Yes. > >Q: Are you sure? > >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110606164536.gc21...@gmail.com
