Re: helix-player and RealPlayer

[Gerard Robin]

On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 06:03:09PM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote:

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you mixup things.

first, real player == helix player + real branding + two non-free
plugins (for mp3 and real media)

second, you *either* install helix player *or* real player, but not
both. and the one does not need the other anyway.


Ok, I have been had by the programmers who make helix, they are jokers.
Anyway, I keep helix, which is free and very nice.
But RealPlayer products an excellent sound with the mp3 files.

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Re: helix-player and RealPlayer

[Daniel Baumann]

José Alburquerque wrote:
> Daniel Baumann wrote:
>> you mixup things.
>>
>> first, real player == helix player + real branding + two non-free
>> plugins (for mp3 and real media)
>>
>> second, you *either* install helix player *or* real player, but not
>> both. and the one does not need the other anyway.
>>
>>   
> And aren't there packages for both? :-)

there are packages for both.

helix player is in debian, whereas real player is on
debian-unofficial.org since it requires a special written license from
Real in order to be legally allowed to distribute it (though, it's
temporarily removed, it will be back when the move of
debian-unofficial.org to debian-restricted.org is done).

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Re: helix-player and RealPlayer

[José Alburquerque]

Daniel Baumann wrote:

you mixup things.

first, real player == helix player + real branding + two non-free
plugins (for mp3 and real media)

second, you *either* install helix player *or* real player, but not
both. and the one does not need the other anyway.

  

And aren't there packages for both? :-)

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Re: helix-player and RealPlayer

[Daniel Baumann]

you mixup things.

first, real player == helix player + real branding + two non-free
plugins (for mp3 and real media)

second, you *either* install helix player *or* real player, but not
both. and the one does not need the other anyway.

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Re: helix

[Nick Hastings]

Hi,

* Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [041101 20:15]:
>
> David Dorward wrote:
>

> > You are looking at Helix Player, not RealPlayer. RealPlayer is a
> > non-free derivative of Helixplayer which has extra codecs. The
> > referenced page links to RealPlayer and a FAQ about the differences
> > between RealPlayer and Helix Player
> 
> I get it  !
> 
> So, is there somewhwere a ready to install RealPlayer (10.0.1) Debian 
> package ?
> I have just goolged, and I got nothing.
> Is it possible to build such a Package form the HelixPlayer ?

A couple of weeks ago I had success converting the rpm with alien. At the
time, the resulting deb required two packages that were not in Sid but
were in experimental. I think these packages were:

libatk1.0-0 and libpango1.0-0

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Re: helix

[Andrea Vettorello]

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:55:18 +, Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 

[...]

> 
> I get it  !
> 
> So, is there somewhwere a ready to install RealPlayer (10.0.1) Debian package ?
> I have just goolged, and I got nothing.
> Is it possible to build such a Package form the HelixPlayer ?
> 

Not one that i'm aware of. 

On the Debian alioth server there is a project page where is mentioned
that in future the  maintainer could create such a package. In the
meantime you can install the binary package in /usr/local or in your
home dir and copy or link the plugins on your Firefox plugin
directory. I don't know if the player embed itself on Firefox, with
Mozilla seems easier to define new MIME type...


Andrea


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Re: helix

[Jerome BENOIT]

David Dorward wrote:
Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You probably need with the non-free (freedom) RealPlayer 10
https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/

apparently the Sid package contains the newest one: 1.0.1
and "includes the mozilla plugin".

You are looking at Helix Player, not RealPlayer. RealPlayer is a
non-free derivative of Helixplayer which has extra codecs. The
referenced page links to RealPlayer and a FAQ about the differences
between RealPlayer and Helix Player
I get it  !
So, is there somewhwere a ready to install RealPlayer (10.0.1) Debian package ?
I have just goolged, and I got nothing.
Is it possible to build such a Package form the HelixPlayer ?
Thanks,
Jerome


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Re: helix

[David Dorward]

Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > You probably need with the non-free (freedom) RealPlayer 10
> > https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/

> apparently the Sid package contains the newest one: 1.0.1
> and "includes the mozilla plugin".

You are looking at Helix Player, not RealPlayer. RealPlayer is a
non-free derivative of Helixplayer which has extra codecs. The
referenced page links to RealPlayer and a FAQ about the differences
between RealPlayer and Helix Player

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Re: helix

[Jerome BENOIT]

Yes, I do:
https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/helixrealfaq.html
Jerome BENOIT wrote:

Andrea Vettorello wrote:
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 08:46:05 +, Jerome BENOIT 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thanks

Andrea Vettorello wrote:
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:44:36 +, Jerome BENOIT 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hello,
thanks for the reply.
I did it !
In fact, I am afraid that there is a missunderstanding.
After the installation I tried it on one of my favorite webpage:
I got some error messages, so I would like to test helix well built
web site to be sure from where comes the errors ?

IIRC Helixplayer don't have the realplayer codecs, maybe you're trying
to play some streming media...

Does it mean that we cannot yet read `Real' stuff (as available on 
the CNN website) ?


From what i know, not with Helixplayer you find on Debian.

You probably need with the non-free (freedom) RealPlayer 10
https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/

I went to the website,
and I compared with the Sid package:
apparently the Sid package contains the newest one: 1.0.1
and "includes the mozilla plugin".
Do I miss something ?

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Re: helix

[Jerome BENOIT]

Andrea Vettorello wrote:
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 08:46:05 +, Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks

Andrea Vettorello wrote:
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:44:36 +, Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello,
thanks for the reply.
I did it !
In fact, I am afraid that there is a missunderstanding.
After the installation I tried it on one of my favorite webpage:
I got some error messages, so I would like to test helix well built
web site to be sure from where comes the errors ?

IIRC Helixplayer don't have the realplayer codecs, maybe you're trying
to play some streming media...

Does it mean that we cannot yet read `Real' stuff (as available on the CNN website) ?

From what i know, not with Helixplayer you find on Debian.
You probably need with the non-free (freedom) RealPlayer 10 

https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/
I went to the website,
and I compared with the Sid package:
apparently the Sid package contains the newest one: 1.0.1
and "includes the mozilla plugin".
Do I miss something ?
Jerome

Andrea


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Re: helix

[Cathayan]

> Does it mean that we cannot yet read `Real' stuff (as available on the CNN website) ?
> 
> Jerome
> 

seems true. but realplayer is there if license is not the most concerned.


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Re: helix

[Andrea Vettorello]

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 08:46:05 +, Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> Andrea Vettorello wrote:
> > On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:44:36 +, Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>Hello,
> >>
> >>thanks for the reply.
> >>I did it !
> >>
> >>In fact, I am afraid that there is a missunderstanding.
> >>After the installation I tried it on one of my favorite webpage:
> >>I got some error messages, so I would like to test helix well built
> >>web site to be sure from where comes the errors ?
> >>
> >
> >
> > IIRC Helixplayer don't have the realplayer codecs, maybe you're trying
> > to play some streming media...
> 
> 
> Does it mean that we cannot yet read `Real' stuff (as available on the CNN website) ?
> 

>From what i know, not with Helixplayer you find on Debian.

You probably need with the non-free (freedom) RealPlayer 10 

https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/


Andrea


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Re: helix

[Jerome BENOIT]

Thanks
Andrea Vettorello wrote:
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:44:36 +, Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello,
thanks for the reply.
I did it !
In fact, I am afraid that there is a missunderstanding.
After the installation I tried it on one of my favorite webpage:
I got some error messages, so I would like to test helix well built
web site to be sure from where comes the errors ?

IIRC Helixplayer don't have the realplayer codecs, maybe you're trying
to play some streming media...

Does it mean that we cannot yet read `Real' stuff (as available on the CNN 
website) ?
Jerome
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Re: helix

[Andrea Vettorello]

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:44:36 +, Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> thanks for the reply.
> I did it !
> 
> In fact, I am afraid that there is a missunderstanding.
> After the installation I tried it on one of my favorite webpage:
> I got some error messages, so I would like to test helix well built
> web site to be sure from where comes the errors ?
> 

IIRC Helixplayer don't have the realplayer codecs, maybe you're trying
to play some streming media...


Andrea


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Re: helix

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hello,
thanks for the reply.
I did it !
In fact, I am afraid that there is a missunderstanding.
After the installation I tried it on one of my favorite webpage:
I got some error messages, so I would like to test helix well built
web site to be sure from where comes the errors ?
Thanks,
Jerome
Nick Hastings wrote:
* Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [041028 19:37]:
Hello List,
how can we test the Sid helixplayer ?

Install and run it.
sudo apt-get install helix-player 

Nick.

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Re: helix

[Nick Hastings]

* Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [041028 19:37]:
> Hello List,
> 
> how can we test the Sid helixplayer ?

Install and run it.

sudo apt-get install helix-player 

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Re: [SLUG] Re: Helix install from *bin files

[James Ponza]

do you have the gcc version that is specified in the file name?


On Monday 19 July 2004 13:51, Adam Bogacki wrote:
> I think I may have a corrupted download.
>
> > Tux:/home# chmod a+x hxplay*
> > Tux:/home# ./hxplay*
> > bash: ./hxplay-0.4.0.187-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin: cannot
> > execute binary file
>
> I'll try downloading again in the near future - does anyone have any
> better ideas ?
>
> Adam Bogacki,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Ryan Gammon wrote:
> > Hi Adam,
> >
> > You probably have to make that file executable first, eg:
> > chmod a+x realplay-0.4.0.186-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
> >
> > Adam Bogacki wrote:
> >> Hi, I've just downloaded hxplay-0.4.0.187-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
> >> and
> >> realplay-0.4.0.186-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
> >> but I find this happening ...
> >>
> >>> Tux:/home# ./realplay*
> >>> bash: ./realplay-0.4.0.186-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin:
> >>> Permission denied
> >>> Tux:/home# ./hxplay*
> >>> bash: ./hxplay-0.4.0.187-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin: Permission
> >>> denied
> >>> Tux:/home#
> >>
> >> I'm in my root account here.
> >>
> >> What am I missing ? [It's probably obvious but I've had a long day.]
> >>
> >> Sorry for bothering you guys.
> >>
> >> Adam Bogacki,
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Re: Helix install from *bin files

[Bill Thompson]

(top posting only to keep thread..top posting bad...)

Hi guys,

I had the same problem trying to get the helix installer to run on woody.
Since woody uses an older version of GCC you need to download the legacy
version of the installer:
legacy-hxplay-0.4.0.187-linux-2.2-libc6-i386.bin. The same is true for the
beta realplayer.

Good Luck,

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:51:41 +1200
Adam Bogacki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think I may have a corrupted download.
> 
> > Tux:/home# chmod a+x hxplay*
> > Tux:/home# ./hxplay*
> > bash: ./hxplay-0.4.0.187-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin: cannot 
> > execute binary file
> 
> I'll try downloading again in the near future - does anyone have any 
> better ideas ?
> 
> Adam Bogacki,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> Ryan Gammon wrote:
> 
> > Hi Adam,
> >
> > You probably have to make that file executable first, eg:
> > chmod a+x realplay-0.4.0.186-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
> >
> >
> > Adam Bogacki wrote:
> >
> >> Hi, I've just downloaded
> >hxplay-0.4.0.187-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin> and
> >> realplay-0.4.0.186-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
> >> but I find this happening ...
> >>
> >>
> >>  
> >>
> >>> Tux:/home# ./realplay*
> >>> bash: ./realplay-0.4.0.186-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin: 
> >>> Permission denied
> >>> Tux:/home# ./hxplay*
> >>> bash: ./hxplay-0.4.0.187-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin: Permission 
> >>> denied
> >>> Tux:/home#
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>
> >> I'm in my root account here.
> >>
> >> What am I missing ? [It's probably obvious but I've had a long day.]
> >>
> >> Sorry for bothering you guys.
> >>
> >> Adam Bogacki,
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>

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Re: Helix install from *bin files

[Adam Bogacki]

I think I may have a corrupted download.
Tux:/home# chmod a+x hxplay*
Tux:/home# ./hxplay*
bash: ./hxplay-0.4.0.187-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin: cannot 
execute binary file
I'll try downloading again in the near future - does anyone have any 
better ideas ?

Adam Bogacki,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ryan Gammon wrote:
Hi Adam,
You probably have to make that file executable first, eg:
chmod a+x realplay-0.4.0.186-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
Adam Bogacki wrote:
Hi, I've just downloaded hxplay-0.4.0.187-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
and
realplay-0.4.0.186-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
but I find this happening ...
 

Tux:/home# ./realplay*
bash: ./realplay-0.4.0.186-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin: 
Permission denied
Tux:/home# ./hxplay*
bash: ./hxplay-0.4.0.187-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin: Permission 
denied
Tux:/home#

  
I'm in my root account here.
What am I missing ? [It's probably obvious but I've had a long day.]
Sorry for bothering you guys.
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Re: helix gnome sound support not working

[Brian May]

> "Moritz" == Moritz Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Moritz> Do you have xmms configured to use the esd output plugin?
Moritz> (I've no idea about the other programs...)

I would have thought this was the default. Oh, wait, no, its trying to
use the OSS plugin. Thanks for your suggestion.

xmms works now. I wonder why gnome applications can't play sound (eg.
gnome-control-centre).
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Re: helix gnome sound support not working

[Moritz Schulte]

Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have not been able to get sound support working under Helix Gnome
> for several weeks now.
> 
> esdplay works fine, but no Gnome programs work (xmms and Gnome Control
> Centre for instance).

Do you have xmms configured to use the esd output plugin?
(I've no idea about the other programs...)

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Re: Helix/Ximian

[Remco van de Meent]

Joris Lambrecht wrote:
> [ using Debian (woody/potato) with 2.4.0 kernel and Xfree86 4.0.2 ]
>  
> I've recently move to the Gnome/Ximian (used to be Helix) environment.
> 
> Over at the gnome/ximian sites i've read about an auto-updater (seemed much
> like windowsupdate) for Ximian, i ran the shell command
> the ximian.updater page suggested but i guess i got it all wrong

On a Debian system, you can just run 
  
  $ apt-get update
  $ apt-get -u dist-upgrade

to get the latest and greatest Ximian GNOME packages. The first time
you ran the go-gnome.org script, it updated your /etc/apt/sources.list
to include an entry for Helix GNOME.


cheers,
Remco.

Re: Helix gnome control center freezes

[Steve Cooper]

When I try to run gnomecc it crashes out of X and returns me to my KDM prompt.  
Is Gnome currently broken under Woody?

==
Steve Cooper
(working for somebody else in Redmond, WA)

>
> Subject: Re: Helix gnome control center freezes
> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:31:20 +0100
> From: Paolo Pedaletti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Seung-woo Nam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Salve Seung-woo Nam,
>
> > Has anyone had the same problem?
>
> me too :-(
>
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Re: Helix gnome control center freezes

[Juergen Fiedler]

At Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:08:57 -0500,
Seung-woo Nam wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone:
> 
> Since I upgraded my Debian system from 2.2_rev0 to 2.2_rev2, all the Sawfish
> menus in Gnome control center wouldn't work (appearance, focus behaviour,
> etc.). When I click on any of those the window just freezes and doesn't show
> any contents of menus. I know Helix gnome is not a part of official Debian
> dist but since it happened after the upgrade, I was wandering ther's any
> conflict between Helix Gnome and new Debian.
> 
> Has anyone had the same problem?

I had exactly the same problem. Running sawfish-capplet directly 
from a terminal ought to give you some insight in what is going
wrong. In my case (a fresh install), rep was missing.
'apt-get install rep' solved my sawfish problems.

HTH,
j

Re: Helix gnome control center freezes

[Kristian Rink]

And Remco van de Meent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> gave word to the following thoughts:

> I can't provide a solution but I've had the same problem. Try running
> the control center using strace. You'll probably see that it tries to
> find all kind of librep/rep-gtk related things. You need to fiddle
> around with that a little, I'm afraid (put some extra symbolic links in
> or so).

Dunno if is the same problem as you guys are having, but I experienced severe 
trouble after installing potato and HelixGnome and trying to run the GNOME with 
my 'old' user configuration, had the control center freezing several times, 
didn't display desktop icons even if the files were installed and things like 
this... Those days I just backed up and then removed all my .gnome* 
configuration stuff in my $HOME and allowed GNOME to build a new configuration, 
and then I re-installed some configuration files out of the backed-up 
directories. Seems it was working fine, after... :)
HTH, have a nice evening...

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Re: Helix gnome control center freezes

[Remco van de Meent]

Seung-woo Nam wrote:
> Since I upgraded my Debian system from 2.2_rev0 to 2.2_rev2, all the
> Sawfish menus in Gnome control center wouldn't work (appearance,
> focus behaviour, etc.). When I click on any of those the window just
> freezes and doesn't show any contents of menus. I know Helix gnome is
> not a part of official Debian dist but since it happened after the
> upgrade, I was wandering ther's any conflict between Helix Gnome and
> new Debian. Has anyone had the same problem?

I can't provide a solution but I've had the same problem. Try running
the control center using strace. You'll probably see that it tries to
find all kind of librep/rep-gtk related things. You need to fiddle
around with that a little, I'm afraid (put some extra symbolic links in
or so).


Cheers,
Remco.

Re: Helix gnome control center freezes

[Paolo Pedaletti]

Salve Seung-woo Nam,

> Has anyone had the same problem?

me too :-(


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Re: helix gnome vs. woody gnome

[Kai Weber]

+ [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> packages? Are they as stable? Is there any strange behavior? Do they
> contain as many programs as are available in the Helix packages? What are
> the pros and cons of each?

I switched over to a clean woody only system some days ago. I have to
do some configuration but it works.

I have to say, besides the (nicer) splash screens of helixcode the
difference between HelixCode's and Debian packages are minimal. I
switched back, because I had some trouble with dependencies due to my
awfull mix of package sources.

I now prefer the use of a clean woody system.

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Re: Helix-gnome control center problems

[Leen Besselink]

On Sat, 9 Dec 2000, Rob VanFleet wrote:

> For some reason, the gnome control center doesn't want me to configure any
> sawfish aspects.  When I click on any of the sawfish configuration options, 
> the
> left pane displays nothing, and eventually, the entire app freezes and has to
> be killed.
>
> Another thing I noticed is that the control center often thinks that
> Enlightenment is the default window manager, even though it is sawfish that is
> actually running.  I don't know if this has anything to with the previous
> problem, but I thought I would mention it.

Well, what I did was, set it to sawfish for a moment and then set it back
to enlightenment that seemed to help a little for both problems. But I
think we should report it as a bug.

>
> -Rob
>

Re: Helix-gnome control center problems

[Jamil]

I had this problem as well, you need to install the rep packages from helixcode
manually for some reason they don't install with task-helix-gnome.

Jamil
> For some reason, the gnome control center doesn't want me to configure any
> sawfish aspects.  When I click on any of the sawfish configuration options, 
> the
> left pane displays nothing, and eventually, the entire app freezes and has to
> be killed.
> 
> Another thing I noticed is that the control center often thinks that
> Enlightenment is the default window manager, even though it is sawfish that is
> actually running.  I don't know if this has anything to with the previous
> problem, but I thought I would mention it.
> 
> -Rob
> 
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Re: Helix Gnome

[Josh McKinney]

You don't need to.

On approximately Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 10:35:22AM -0500, Marcelo Chiapparini 
wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> Should I deinstall  Gnome in order to install Helix Gnome in a Debian 2.2
> machine?
> Thanks in advance
> Marcelo
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Re: Helix-Gnome not installable

[Michael Epting]

Sometime this morning, Helix made new packages available.  I´ll bet
it all works OK now, so ignore my earlier post.

On Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 09:55:07PM -0500, Joel Dinel wrote:
> I can't seem to install Helix Gnome on my woody box.
> 
> dimmu:~# apt-get install task-helix-gnome
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
> or been moved out of Incoming.

Re: Helix-Gnome not installable

[Michael Epting]

Since the problem is a conflict between Helix and Debian versions
of some libraries, perhaps you can temporarily comment out the Debian
lines in your sources.list, do an apt-get update and then try 
apt-get install task-helix-gnome.  Don´t forget to fix your 
sources.list afterwards or you won´t be able to keep your Woody
current on an hourly basis!  Also, you might need to avoid installing
the Debian versions afterwards, just by being careful with 
apt-get upgrade.

Another possibility, which I normally use, is to just wait for the
Helix guys to catch up.  (and they used to say that Debian was slow
to provide current versions of packages).

On Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 09:55:07PM -0500, Joel Dinel wrote:
> I can't seem to install Helix Gnome on my woody box.
> 
> dimmu:~# apt-get install task-helix-gnome
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
> or been moved out of Incoming.
> ...

Re: Helix-Gnome not installable

[Jason Gunthorpe]

On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Joel Dinel wrote:

> I can't seem to install Helix Gnome on my woody box.

Thats an interesting apt quirk, just list all the packages at once:

auric{jgg}~/apt2/build/bin#./apt-get install task-helix-gnome task-helix-core 
sawfish-gnome rep-gtk-gnome libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
  libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2: Depends: libgdk-pixbuf2 (= 0.9.0-0.2) but 0.9.0-helix5 
is to be installed
  rep-gtk-gnome: Depends: rep-gtk (= 0.14-1) but 0.14-helix2 is to be installed
E: Sorry, broken packages

Tada.

This appears to be because the helix folks are mixing and matching
libraries from debian and them. they were supposed to be using the debian
versions :|  

For instance if I use the new APT I can resolve this.. 

auric{jgg}~/apt2/build/bin#./apt-get install task-helix-gnome 
libgdk-pixbuf2=o=debian rep-gtk=o=debian
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Selected version 0.9.0-0.2 (Debian:unstable) for libgdk-pixbuf2
Selected version 0.14-1 (Debian:unstable) for rep-gtk
[..]
22 packages upgraded, 100 newly installed, 1 to remove and 238  not upgraded.
Need to get 38.1MB/61.9MB of archives. After unpacking 123MB will be used.

By picking the Debian versions of the problem libraries..

Jason

Re: Helix-Gnome not installable

[Christoph Simon]

> So I apt-get install task-helix-core. I get the same message, but wirh 
> sawfish-gnome. I install sawfush-gnome, now I get this same message about 
> rep-gtk-gnome. This goes on and on through more packages until :
> 
> dimmu:~# apt-get install libgdk-pixbuf2
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> Sorry, libgdk-pixbuf2 is already the newest version
> 
> So it comes down to this. Apt complains about dependencies until it gets down 
> to the 'core' package, which is already installed. I did try removing in, and 
> reinstalling it to no avail.
> 
> Has anybody else encountered this? Is there woody boxes out there running 
> Helix?!

I do run helix gome since a while. Recently, sawfish was uninstalled
in favor of sawfish. Try installing sawfish without gnome.

HTH

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Re: Helix-Gnome not installable

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> Has anybody else encountered this? Is there woody boxes out there
> running Helix?!

I see this also, but I've already got a working install of Helix
Gnome, so it's not a big deal...for me. Can't offer any advice as to
how to get it to work, but thought I'd let you know it's not just you.

Perhaps give it a day or two and the maintainers will fix it?

Good luck,
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Re: HELIX and potato

[Damon Muller]

Hi Johann,

Quoth Johann Spies, 
> Excuse my ignorance, but after reading lynx's man page, I still do not
> understand what is actually happening in a command like this or let me
> put it this way: I do not understand how it can help to install
> helix-gnome or why it has to be run as root.  As I understand it 
> lynx is passing the html-source from go-gnome.org to bash.  Why would
> one like to do it and why is it a security risk?  Is it because it is
> run as root?

If you have a look at that page using a web browser, you'll see it's
just a bourne shell script. Thus you are using lynx to pipe the shell
script contained on the web page to STDOUT through the shell.

So what you are essentially doing is running the shell script contained
on that web site as root.

This is exactly the same as downloading the page (using wget or
something), saving it to a file, setting the executable bit, and running
it as root.

HTH,

damon

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Re: HELIX and potato

[Hubert Chan]

Rob Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> If I installed helix gnome in this way, and have since put the helix
> stuff in my sources file and have been getting updates from them, is
> there something else I should do to right it?  I've noticed that
> task-helix-gnome is always held back and never updated.

Try doing "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade".  Packages often get held back
due to changes in the dependencies (ie. they depend on new packages that are
not yet installed).  apt-get dist-upgrade will install the new packages.

Hubert

Re: HELIX and potato

[Rob Hudson]

If I installed helix gnome in this way, and have since put the helix
stuff in my sources file and have been getting updates from them, is
there something else I should do to right it?  I've noticed that
task-helix-gnome is always held back and never updated.

Anderson, Tim   TL33E said these things on 20001107.1430:
| Yes, exactly.  The point is that it's not a good idea to blindly run a
| script as root - who knows what it could do?Not suggesting that the
| helixcode people are going to deliberately screw your system up, but it
| could be intercepted or cracked somehow.   Look at 'horrifying suggestion'
| from last week, I think there's a description of what the script does in
| there as well.
| Has anyone talked to the helix people about this, why are they advocating
| such a thing when Debian has such a good packaging system?
| 
| tim 
| 
| > -Original Message-
| > From:   Johann Spies [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > Sent:   Tuesday, November 07, 2000 3:23 AM
| > To: Debian
| > Subject:Re: HELIX and potato
| > 
| > On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 09:19:40PM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote:
| > > On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 11:47:56AM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote:
| > > > lynx -source http://go-gnome.org | sh
| > > 
| > > we have been through this before, don't EVER run anything like that.
| > > 
| > Excuse my ignorance, but after reading lynx's man page, I still do not
| > understand what is actually happening in a command like this or let me
| > put it this way: I do not understand how it can help to install
| > helix-gnome or why it has to be run as root.  As I understand it 
| > lynx is passing the html-source from go-gnome.org to bash.  Why would
| > one like to do it and why is it a security risk?  Is it because it is
| > run as root?
| > 
| > Johann.
| > -- 
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| >  "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and  
| >   the life; he that believeth in me, though he were 
| >   dead, yet shall he live."  John 11:25 
| 
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RE: HELIX and potato

[Anderson, Tim TL33E]

Yes, exactly.  The point is that it's not a good idea to blindly run a
script as root - who knows what it could do?Not suggesting that the
helixcode people are going to deliberately screw your system up, but it
could be intercepted or cracked somehow.   Look at 'horrifying suggestion'
from last week, I think there's a description of what the script does in
there as well.
Has anyone talked to the helix people about this, why are they advocating
such a thing when Debian has such a good packaging system?

tim 

> -Original Message-
> From: Johann Spies [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 3:23 AM
> To:   Debian
> Subject:  Re: HELIX and potato
> 
> On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 09:19:40PM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 11:47:56AM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote:
> > > lynx -source http://go-gnome.org | sh
> > 
> > we have been through this before, don't EVER run anything like that.
> > 
> Excuse my ignorance, but after reading lynx's man page, I still do not
> understand what is actually happening in a command like this or let me
> put it this way: I do not understand how it can help to install
> helix-gnome or why it has to be run as root.  As I understand it 
> lynx is passing the html-source from go-gnome.org to bash.  Why would
> one like to do it and why is it a security risk?  Is it because it is
> run as root?
> 
> Johann.
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>  "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and  
>   the life; he that believeth in me, though he were 
>   dead, yet shall he live."  John 11:25 

Re: HELIX and potato

[Johann Spies]

On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 09:19:40PM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 11:47:56AM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote:
> > lynx -source http://go-gnome.org | sh
> 
> we have been through this before, don't EVER run anything like that.
> 
Excuse my ignorance, but after reading lynx's man page, I still do not
understand what is actually happening in a command like this or let me
put it this way: I do not understand how it can help to install
helix-gnome or why it has to be run as root.  As I understand it 
lynx is passing the html-source from go-gnome.org to bash.  Why would
one like to do it and why is it a security risk?  Is it because it is
run as root?

Johann.
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Re: HELIX and potato

[Ethan Benson]

On Tue, Nov 07, 2000 at 09:57:12AM +1300, plutoplanet wrote:
> I guess so, but is it any more a security risk than running a binary
> from helixcode?

yes

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Re: HELIX and potato

[Ethan Benson]

On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 11:47:56AM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote:
> I don't know if this is the preferred way to get Helix Gnome
> installed, but I typed this at the command prompt and it worked...
> 
> lynx -source http://go-gnome.org | sh

we have been through this before, don't EVER run anything like that.

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Re: HELIX and potato

[Bob Bernstein]

On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 03:33:17PM -0500, Anderson, Tim wrote:

> The best way would surely be to add the helixcode site to sources.list.

Yes. The first below will get you Helix; after 'apt-get update' look for the
'task' debs. iirc 'apt-get install task-helix-gnome' will get you the
complete Gnome distribution a la Helixcode. There's also
task-helix-gnome-dev.

The second contains some really interesting Helixcode stuff.

deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable main

deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/evolution/distributions/Debian ./

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Re: HELIX and potato

[Hubert Chan]

> Debian Ghost said these things on 20001106.1400:
> | Hey Guys,
> | I notice that there is no helix gnome package for potato.
> | Is there an eazy way to implement helix into potato? I am using regular
> | gnome and want to go to helix.

The "woody" helix packages work fine in potato.  I guess they just call it
"woody" because it's unstable in the same sense that woody is - i.e. packages
change constantly.

Hubert

RE: HELIX and potato

[Anderson, Tim TL33E]

well, the binaries wouldn't be run as root, so yes.

> -Original Message-
> Subject:  RE: HELIX and potato
> 
> I guess so, but is it any more a security risk than running a binary
> from helixcode?
> 
>  Original Message 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >Wasn't there some discussion about this method last week?  I think 
> >the
> >thread was 'Horrifying suggestion'
> >The best way would surely be to add the helixcode site to 
> >sources.list.
> >
> >tim
> >

RE: HELIX and potato

[plutoplanet]

I guess so, but is it any more a security risk than running a binary
from helixcode?

 Original Message 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: RE: HELIX and potato
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:33:17 -0500 

>
>Wasn't there some discussion about this method last week?  I think 
>the
>thread was 'Horrifying suggestion'
>The best way would surely be to add the helixcode site to 
>sources.list.
>
>tim
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From:plutoplanet [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent:Monday, November 06, 2000 3:10 PM
>> To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-user@lists.debian.org
>> Subject: RE: HELIX and potato
>> 
>> Login as root and do the following:
>> #lynx -source http://go-gnome.com | sh
>> 
>
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Re: HELIX and potato

[Rob Hudson]

I don't know if this is the preferred way to get Helix Gnome
installed, but I typed this at the command prompt and it worked...

lynx -source http://go-gnome.org | sh

-Rob.

Debian Ghost said these things on 20001106.1400:
| Hey Guys,
| I notice that there is no helix gnome package for potato.
| Is there an eazy way to implement helix into potato? I am using regular
| gnome and want to go to helix.
| 
| Any advice?
| 
| Thanks!
| 
| D. Ghost
| 
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RE: HELIX and potato

[Anderson, Tim TL33E]

Wasn't there some discussion about this method last week?  I think the
thread was 'Horrifying suggestion'
The best way would surely be to add the helixcode site to sources.list.

tim

> -Original Message-
> From: plutoplanet [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 3:10 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject:  RE: HELIX and potato
> 
> Login as root and do the following:
> #lynx -source http://go-gnome.com | sh
> 

RE: HELIX and potato

[plutoplanet]

Login as root and do the following:
#lynx -source http://go-gnome.com | sh

Good Luck
 Original Message 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: RE: HELIX and potato
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:00:16 -0500 (EST)

>Hey Guys,
>I notice that there is no helix gnome package for potato.
>Is there an eazy way to implement helix into potato? I am using 
>regular
>gnome and want to go to helix.
>
>Any advice?
>
>Thanks!
>
>D. Ghost
>
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Re: helix gnome & WindowMaker

[G Mc.Pherson]

Hi Stefan,

On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, stefan goeman wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> After an upgrade (and a reboot) I have problems running WindowMaker under 
> Helix Gnome.
> Gnome complains saying running a non gnome compliant windowmanger and 
> WindowMaker does
> not start and I can't use Gnome either. I have to delete my .gnome 
> directory so that the sawfish windowmanager is being used.
> 
> Anybody else noticed this problem?

  Sort of. Upgrading wm-properties-capplet to version 1.2.2 has caused
helix-gnome to fail when it's loading from gdm manager. I've posted a bug
report with helix about it. 

Gord

Re: Helix Icons

[Kjetil Ødegaard]

* Joel Dinel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> How can you go about changing the color of the text for the icons in Helix
> gnome ? Right now, it's black text on a gray background. I'd like white
> text with no background (shaped text). I know where to set the shaped text
> (in the gnome file manager). but I can't seem to change the color to
> something else than black. It's a problem, because my background is black
> as well and I can't see the icons :)

There's actually no configuration option for this; you will have to add
this manually to your .gtkrc:


style "gnome-desktop-icon" {
fg[NORMAL] = { 1.0, 1.0, 1.0 }
bg[NORMAL] = { 0.0, 0.0, 0.0 }
}

widget_class "*DesktopIcon*" style "gnome-desktop-icon"


This sets the foreground color to white and background to black (if you
use `Shaped text' the second line won't make any difference).

Just remember that if you change GTK+--themes, your .gtkrc file might be
over-written.

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Re: Helix gnome on debian 2.2....

[Andrew D Dixon]

 
use
    >apt-get install task-helix-gnome
after you set up your sources.list file.  The install instructions
at
    http://www.helixcode.com
are very good.  I installed helix-gnome from fvwm2 without a hitch
(I did have to restart my potato box though) but since then I have hosed
sawmill but I think that this is a seperate issue.
Rus wrote:

Hi,
an introduction.. my name's Rus.. I've been using RedHat for a bit.. and
now I'm making the jump to debs.. :-) Anyways...
I'm just wondering if their is anything I should know about installing
Helix gnome on top of Debian 2.2? I don't just want to 'upgrade what ive
got'.. I'd also like all the new programs/utilities/etc. that make up the
Helix install... Also
would i be correct in saying that I shouldn't have gnome running while
I download and install? I
dunno.. I just don't want to kill of my Debian install.. whilse also being
able to have the funky looking verison of gnome that my RedHat mate has!!
:-) Anyways, thankyou
very much for you time, Rus

Re: Helix applet woes....

[Tal Danzig]

On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:15:15 +0100, Rus said:

>  Hi, I've pseudo-successfully managed to isntall Helix Gnome on my 2.2 
>   system.. BUT.. I am having a little bit of trouble with 3 things..
>   
>   1) I am using the Sawfish WM and IIR there should be a menu or something 
>   available for each window allowing you to save preferences such as size 
>   and location (accessible via the icon in the top left hand corner?) and 
>   that option isn't there on my version...
>   
>   2) The 'Desk Guide' applet (the one that manages desktops/workspaces 
>   etc.) comes up with an error message saying 'This WM is not gnome 
>   compliant..' and only displays workspace #1.. none of the others.. no 
>   matter how I configure it...
>   
>   3) The 'Tasklist' applet (the one which displays the applications runing 
>   with little boxes ala Windows9x..) also displays the 'Panel' and any 
>   icons on the desktop as boxes also...

Hello

I belive the sawfish-gnome package should fix the above three problems.

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Re: Helix gnome on debian 2.2....

[Rino Mardo]

On Sun, Sep 24, 2000 at 07:20:49AM +0100 or thereabouts, Rus wrote:
> Hi, an introduction.. my name's Rus.. I've been using RedHat for a bit.. and 
> now I'm making the jump to debs.. :-)
> 
> Anyways... I'm just wondering if their is anything I should know about 
> installing Helix gnome on top of Debian 2.2? I don't just want to 'upgrade 
> what ive got'.. I'd also like all the new programs/utilities/etc. that make 
> up the Helix install...
> 
> Also would i be correct in saying that I shouldn't have gnome running while I 
> download and install?
> 
> I dunno.. I just don't want to kill of my Debian install.. whilse also being 
> able to have the funky looking verison of gnome that my RedHat mate has!! :-)
> 
> Anyways, thankyou very much for you time,
> 
> Rus


you need this in your /etc/apt/sources.list:


deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian woody main



then do:

1. apt-get update
2. apt-get install task-helix-gnome
3. make coffee
4. sit back and watch


doing this in console is better since you need to restart your X when it's
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RE: helix-gnome for Debian 2.2 ?

[Dexter Graphic]

Thanks for helping me understand how the Debian apt-get program 
can be used instead of the Helix-Gnome updater utility to install
the latest version of Gnome from the HelixCode web site.

Here is a summary of what I've learned:
1. Login as root. Note: I assume that Gnome and maybe even X should
not be running when you upgrade the helix-gnome components, so use 
the command "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" to get completely out of X and 
Gnome before starting. Do the following from the bash command line.
2. Add "deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/Debian 
unstable main" to the bottom of the list in "/etc/apt/sources.list"
using the text editor of your choice (I use ae or the editor in mc.)
3. Connect to the Internet (I use pon Prodigy.)
4. Run "apt-get update" to download a list of packages and update 
your system's package database.
5. Run apt-get upgrade to download and install any packages that 
have been updated.
6. Assuming everything downloaded and installed ok, disconnect from
the internet (I use poff) and restart your system. I guess you could
also use "/etc/init.d/gdm start" to just restart gdm, but being used
to Windows I just like to reboot for good measure. 

Success story not:
Even thought all of this seemed to work as it was supposed to, I 
never did get my Gnome upgraded because the files were too big and
my connection kept timing out. I figure that this was caused by my
poor phone-line quality and slow Internet connection (26,000 bps)
but I guess it could also be that something is misconfigured. Web
browsing with either Lynx or Navigator seems to work fine. Oh well,
I'll just wait and order another CD when the next version is out.

Cheers,
Dexter 


 

Re: helix-gnome for Debian 2.2 ?

[Jürgen A. Erhard]

> "Eric" == Eric G Miller  writes:

Eric> On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:10:15AM -0700, Dexter Graphic wrote:
>> >apt-get install task-helix-gnome?
>> 
>> Does anyone know if the helix-gnome updater will work with 
>> Debian 2.2? I have the helix-gnome 1.0 CD and a very slow 
>> connection so it would be nice if I could just update the 
>> parts of gnome that have changed in version 1.2. 
>> 
>> My concern is that the updater works with Red Hat packages 
>> rather than Debian packages.

They do have Debian packages (and nice ones at that... I've been
running Helix-GNOME here since shortly after last LinuxTag).

I can't tell you about their binary installer app, but their basic
install script... well, see below.

Eric> The beauty is, you don't need it. apt will do the job just splendidly.
Eric> If you want a GUI front-end, I guess gnome-apt works okay (don't know
>> from experience).  Besides, heard there were some security probs with
Eric> that thing...

Take a look at that go-gnome script Helix makes you download
first... that on uses apt.  (It edits the sources.list and runs an
apt-get update... then spits out a msg telling you to apt-get upgrade.
The beauty of apt: the Debian-specific part is miniscule compared to
what they do for RedHat, SuSE etc)

Oh, and the security probs are (IIRC) in their binary installer.
Since they don't use that on Debian (that basically does what apt
already does), Debian is not vulnerable (and some msg on bugtraq (I
think) even said so)

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Re: Helix and Galeon

[Rino Mardo]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:10:59AM -0400 or thereabouts, Joey Tsai wrote:
> 
> I don't think there is a Galeon Debian package, in either Debian "proper" or
> from Helixcode.  I heard Helix was going to package it, but I also heard it

oh there is.  lookie in
http://silverchair.futureks.net/~solomon/galeon/potato.html

i got my answer in a few minutes (this mailing list is great!) and installed
galeon on my gnome-helix setup.  works like a charm.



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Re: helix-gnome for Debian 2.2 ?

[Eric G . Miller]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:10:15AM -0700, Dexter Graphic wrote:
> >apt-get install task-helix-gnome?
> 
> Does anyone know if the helix-gnome updater will work with 
> Debian 2.2? I have the helix-gnome 1.0 CD and a very slow 
> connection so it would be nice if I could just update the 
> parts of gnome that have changed in version 1.2. 
> 
> My concern is that the updater works with Red Hat packages 
> rather than Debian packages.

The beauty is, you don't need it. apt will do the job just splendidly.
If you want a GUI front-end, I guess gnome-apt works okay (don't know
from experience).  Besides, heard there were some security probs with
that thing...

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Re: helix-gnome for Debian 2.2 ?

[John Gilger]

Anselm Almeida wrote:

>  Hi there,
>
> Will the helix-gnome .deb packages at the helix  site work with
> Debian 2.2?  The Debian site says that helix-gnome .deb packages are
> available at the helix-gnome site, but the only .deb packages available
> there are meant for woody.  Are they compatible with Debian 2.2?
> I am not on the debian-user list, so please e-mail me
> at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Thanks a lot
>
> Anselmo Almeida
> NIO, GOA

I am running the latest version of helix-gnome on Debian 2.2. It works great!

This is how you get it:

1.  Use the editor of your choice to add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list:
"deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable main"

2.  As root, update your packages using "apt-get update"

3.  As root, install Helix GNOME using "apt-get install task-helix-gnome"

Wait a few minutes, depending on your modem speed, then sit back and enjoy!

HTH

John

Re: Helix and Galeon

[Moritz Schulte]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:10:59AM -0400, Joey Tsai wrote:

> I don't think there is a Galeon Debian package, in either Debian
> "proper" or from Helixcode.  I heard Helix was going to package it,
> but I also heard it wasn't packaged in Debian because of licensing
> issues (similar to KDE before QT went GPL).

/* afaik */

Galeon does not have licensing problems any more. Galeon's license is
now the GPL with the additional clause, which says, that the code can
be linked with the Mozilla rendering engine.

BTW, the Mozilla developers are planning to release Mozilla under a
GPL/MPL dual license.

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RE: helix-gnome for Debian 2.2 ?

[Dexter Graphic]

>apt-get install task-helix-gnome?

Does anyone know if the helix-gnome updater will work with 
Debian 2.2? I have the helix-gnome 1.0 CD and a very slow 
connection so it would be nice if I could just update the 
parts of gnome that have changed in version 1.2. 

My concern is that the updater works with Red Hat packages 
rather than Debian packages.

Dexter

Re: Helix and Galeon

[Joey Tsai]

:: Rino Mardo ::
> Hi.  I have gnome-helix installed from woody and been wanting to try Galeon.
> Anyone done it yet?  Is there a .deb package for Galeon?

I don't think there is a Galeon Debian package, in either Debian "proper" or
from Helixcode.  I heard Helix was going to package it, but I also heard it
wasn't packaged in Debian because of licensing issues (similar to KDE before QT
went GPL).

// joey tsai

Re: helix-gnome for Debian 2.2 ?

[Antonio Rodriguez]

Isn't that apt-get install task-helix-gnome?

Rino Mardo wrote:

> Yes you can and I have it working with potato.  Here's part of my 
> sources.list:
>
> deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian woody main
>
> You have to install it as "apt-get install task-helix-core".
>
> On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:05:59PM +0530 or thereabouts, Anselm Almeida wrote:
> >  Hi there,
> >
> >   Will the helix-gnome .deb packages at the helix  site work with
> > Debian 2.2?  The Debian site says that helix-gnome .deb packages are
> > available at the helix-gnome site, but the only .deb packages available
> > there are meant for woody.  Are they compatible with Debian 2.2?
> >   I am not on the debian-user list, so please e-mail me
> > at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >   Thanks a lot
> >
> > Anselmo Almeida
> > NIO, GOA
> >
> >
> >
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Re: helix-gnome for Debian 2.2 ?

[Rino Mardo]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 06:04:33AM -0400 or thereabouts, Antonio Rodriguez 
wrote:
> Isn't that apt-get install task-helix-gnome?
> 

either works.


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Re: helix-gnome for Debian 2.2 ?

[Antonio Rodriguez]

Yes, it will work. There is no big difference between the two yet. (potato and 
woody).

Anselm Almeida wrote:

>  Hi there,
>
> Will the helix-gnome .deb packages at the helix  site work with
> Debian 2.2?  The Debian site says that helix-gnome .deb packages are
> available at the helix-gnome site, but the only .deb packages available
> there are meant for woody.  Are they compatible with Debian 2.2?
> I am not on the debian-user list, so please e-mail me
> at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Thanks a lot
>
> Anselmo Almeida
> NIO, GOA
>
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Re: helix-gnome for Debian 2.2 ?

[Rino Mardo]

Yes you can and I have it working with potato.  Here's part of my sources.list:



deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian woody main


You have to install it as "apt-get install task-helix-core".



On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:05:59PM +0530 or thereabouts, Anselm Almeida wrote:
>  Hi there,
>  
>   Will the helix-gnome .deb packages at the helix  site work with
> Debian 2.2?  The Debian site says that helix-gnome .deb packages are
> available at the helix-gnome site, but the only .deb packages available 
> there are meant for woody.  Are they compatible with Debian 2.2?
>   I am not on the debian-user list, so please e-mail me
> at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Thanks a lot
> 
> Anselmo Almeida
> NIO, GOA
> 
> 
> 
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Re: helix-code

[Morten Liebach]

On  4, sep, 2000 at 02:33:15 -0400, A.R. wrote:
> I have installed helix-code-gnome on a potato, so far seems to be
> working very good. I still have the downloaded files in my apt/archives
> directory. The point is: I want to store all that in a cd to be able to
> install it in another computer, used in conjunction with the official
> cds. I suppose that I need some packages.gz file, and some instructions
> for dselect,apt-get, etc. What is the best way to do all this?
> Thanks,
> Antonio.

Try and have a look at apt-move. You can make a mirrior with it, but you
need to have an ftp-server that supports rsync, and I don't think
Helix/Akamai does.

You could copy all files from the cache that has the word *helix* in
their name though.

YMMV, HTH
Morten

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Re: Helix Gnome solved!

[Dale L . Morris]

The fault is mine (as usual), there is a second part to the install
which entails apt-get install task-helix-gnome, which I'm doing now..

Dale L . Morris ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I always have trouble with Helix Gnome. This time I downloaded
> everything using apt-get update. But when I change my .xsession file
> to read gnome-session, I'm back into the old gnome desktop that came
> with 2.2. What am I doing wrong now? I'm running potato, but that
> shouldn't make a difference, correct?
> If I can't run it, how can I uninstall it?
> 
> thanks
> 
> Dale L . Morris ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Can I install this in potato or do I have to upgrade to woody? Is this
> > a recommended upgrade?
> > 
> > thanks
> > 
> > 
> > Morten Liebach ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > On  1, sep, 2000 at 11:42:22 +, stefan goeman wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > I know that there is something around like Helix Gnome.
> > > > 
> > > > Why should I consider using this instead of the normal Gnome packed 
> > > > with 
> > > > Debian?
> > > 
> > > The GNOME included in Debian Potato is not being upgraded now, and since
> > > the freeze on Potato a lot has happened on that front.
> > > 
> > > Helix GNOME is the bleeding, but stable, edge of GNOME.
> > > 
> > > I've run Helix for Woody on Potato for some months witout any problems
> > > whatsoever (except for those of my own making!). It's very stable and I
> > > like it a lot, much better than the one in Debian Potato.
> > > 
> > > Just put this line in your /etc/apt/sources.list:
> > > 
> > >   deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian\
> > >   unstable main
> > > 
> > > And use apt-get, dselect etc.
> > > 
> > > HTH
> > >   Morten
> > > 
> > 
> 

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Re: Helix Gnome

[Dale L . Morris]

I always have trouble with Helix Gnome. This time I downloaded
everything using apt-get update. But when I change my .xsession file
to read gnome-session, I'm back into the old gnome desktop that came
with 2.2. What am I doing wrong now? I'm running potato, but that
shouldn't make a difference, correct?
If I can't run it, how can I uninstall it?

thanks

Dale L . Morris ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Can I install this in potato or do I have to upgrade to woody? Is this
> a recommended upgrade?
> 
> thanks
> 
> 
> Morten Liebach ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On  1, sep, 2000 at 11:42:22 +, stefan goeman wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > I know that there is something around like Helix Gnome.
> > > 
> > > Why should I consider using this instead of the normal Gnome packed with 
> > > Debian?
> > 
> > The GNOME included in Debian Potato is not being upgraded now, and since
> > the freeze on Potato a lot has happened on that front.
> > 
> > Helix GNOME is the bleeding, but stable, edge of GNOME.
> > 
> > I've run Helix for Woody on Potato for some months witout any problems
> > whatsoever (except for those of my own making!). It's very stable and I
> > like it a lot, much better than the one in Debian Potato.
> > 
> > Just put this line in your /etc/apt/sources.list:
> > 
> > deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian\
> > unstable main
> > 
> > And use apt-get, dselect etc.
> > 
> > HTH
> > Morten
> > 
> 
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Re: Helix Gnome

[Moritz Schulte]

On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 08:00:19AM -0700, Dale L . Morris wrote:

> Can I install this in potato or do I have to upgrade to woody? Is this
> a recommended upgrade?

The Helix GNOME packages are also for potato. currently they run on
both, potato and woody. later, when it gets harder to let these
packages run on both versions, they will be splitted into two
versions. one, which is build for potato and one which is build for
woody...

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Re: Helix Gnome

[stefan goeman]

Hello,

Yes, I would also like to know this.

On Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:00:19 Dale L . Morris wrote:
> Can I install this in potato or do I have to upgrade to woody? Is this
> a recommended upgrade?
> 
> thanks
> 
> 
> Morten Liebach ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On  1, sep, 2000 at 11:42:22 +, stefan goeman wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > I know that there is something around like Helix Gnome.
> > > 
> > > Why should I consider using this instead of the normal Gnome packed with 

> > > Debian?
> > 
> > The GNOME included in Debian Potato is not being upgraded now, and since
> > the freeze on Potato a lot has happened on that front.
> > 
> > Helix GNOME is the bleeding, but stable, edge of GNOME.
> > 
> > I've run Helix for Woody on Potato for some months witout any problems
> > whatsoever (except for those of my own making!). It's very stable and I
> > like it a lot, much better than the one in Debian Potato.
> > 
> > Just put this line in your /etc/apt/sources.list:
> > 
> > deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian\
> > unstable main
> > 
> > And use apt-get, dselect etc.
> > 
> > HTH
> > Morten
> > 
> 
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Re: Helix Gnome

[Dale L . Morris]

Can I install this in potato or do I have to upgrade to woody? Is this
a recommended upgrade?

thanks


Morten Liebach ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On  1, sep, 2000 at 11:42:22 +, stefan goeman wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I know that there is something around like Helix Gnome.
> > 
> > Why should I consider using this instead of the normal Gnome packed with 
> > Debian?
> 
> The GNOME included in Debian Potato is not being upgraded now, and since
> the freeze on Potato a lot has happened on that front.
> 
> Helix GNOME is the bleeding, but stable, edge of GNOME.
> 
> I've run Helix for Woody on Potato for some months witout any problems
> whatsoever (except for those of my own making!). It's very stable and I
> like it a lot, much better than the one in Debian Potato.
> 
> Just put this line in your /etc/apt/sources.list:
> 
>   deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian\
>   unstable main
> 
> And use apt-get, dselect etc.
> 
> HTH
>   Morten
> 

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Re: Helix Gnome

[Morten Liebach]

On  1, sep, 2000 at 11:42:22 +, stefan goeman wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I know that there is something around like Helix Gnome.
> 
> Why should I consider using this instead of the normal Gnome packed with 
> Debian?

The GNOME included in Debian Potato is not being upgraded now, and since
the freeze on Potato a lot has happened on that front.

Helix GNOME is the bleeding, but stable, edge of GNOME.

I've run Helix for Woody on Potato for some months witout any problems
whatsoever (except for those of my own making!). It's very stable and I
like it a lot, much better than the one in Debian Potato.

Just put this line in your /etc/apt/sources.list:

deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian\
unstable main

And use apt-get, dselect etc.

HTH
Morten

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Re: Helix Gnome Evolution 0.3

[Felix Natter]

Andrew Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 09:03:57PM +0200, Felix Natter wrote:
> 
> > It seems like it will be better and surely safer than Outlook,
> 
> Why better and, most particularly, why safer?  Given that GNOME is
> built to allow components to interact with one another via scripting,
> there is no reason to suppose that the same problems faced by MS
> Office could not find their way into a GNOME environment.  Once you
> start building tools to make their interaction apparently seamless,
> you face the possibility that someone is going to exploit that
> seamlessness.  There is nothing magical about Free software that
> makes it immune to those problems.

1. If you install the program often (as in a company for example), you
can customize it to turn off some features without the user having the
ability to decide.

2. I have heard about many security-problem using Outlook/IE. With
open-source, there is no point in hiding information about potential
weaknesses of the software, there is no pressure to introduce new features
in the stable version (which should lead to more stable releases) and bugs
can be fixed more quickly.

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Re: Helix Gnome Evolution 0.3

[Jared Johnson]

> > >Hi, I was reading today on slashdot about Evolution 0.3.  They have a
> > download link for the tar.gz file.  I was wondering if the apt-get
> utility
> > will work if I use the spidermonkey.helixgnome.com source for the
> update?
> > Has anyone else tried this?

No, this won't work.  You can (or could), however, add a line to
/etc/apt/sources.list:

deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/evolution/distributions/Debian ./

so just do:  su; echo "deb
http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/evolution/distributions/Debian ./" >>
/etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install evolution

and maybe apt-get upgrade as well in case the dependancies don't reflect
new versions of stuff.

> I don't think that Evolution is targeted towards experienced users. I
> think
> the purpose of it is to get some Windows-users to switch to linux, and to
> provide an MS-exchange server. It seems like it will be better and surely
> safer than Outlook, so there is much reason for windows-users to switch
> to
> linux/GNOME. It would be great if evolution could use for example the
> GIMP
> ui (many windows), but in that case it might not succeed in providing an
> easy replacement for Outlook.

I think that i agree, kinda.  Perhaps not on the "safe" part (i agree with
the later mail on that subject) but i do believe evolution is geared toward
people migrating.  My hope is that it will first be better implimented (and
safer) and then be developed to accomodate advanced users as well and fit
different UI tastes.

> afaik there are other programs for experienced users (balsa ?, (x)emacs
> with VM/Gnus ...).

Spruce is an extremely good mail client when it comes to the smarter
programs that we look for in GNOME and GTK apps.  It could use some work,
but has come extremely far and I currently use it for all of my email
needs.  The latest stable version, 0.6.5, is not in the debian archive for
some reason, but can be found on my webserver at:

http://silverchair.futureks.net/~solomon/spruce_0.6.5-1_i386.deb
(packaged on woody)

I'm just about to try Pronto, which just appeard in woody.  From the
description, it looks very cool.  I'm excited :D



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Re: Helix Gnome Evolution 0.3

[Andrew Sullivan]

On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 09:03:57PM +0200, Felix Natter wrote:

> It seems like it will be better and surely safer than Outlook,

Why better and, most particularly, why safer?  Given that GNOME is
built to allow components to interact with one another via scripting,
there is no reason to suppose that the same problems faced by MS
Office could not find their way into a GNOME environment.  Once you
start building tools to make their interaction apparently seamless,
you face the possibility that someone is going to exploit that
seamlessness.  There is nothing magical about Free software that
makes it immune to those problems.

A

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Re: Helix Gnome Evolution 0.3

[Felix Natter]

Hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> At 12:03 PM 7/28/00 -0400, Ethan Pierce wrote:
> >Hi, I was reading today on slashdot about Evolution 0.3.  They have a
> download link for the tar.gz file.  I was wondering if the apt-get utility
> will work if I use the spidermonkey.helixgnome.com source for the update?
> Has anyone else tried this?
> >
> >Thanks -Ethan
> >
> >
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> I don't want to start a war here, but what's so great about Evolution? It
> looks more like a regression to me. It imitates M$ in more than one way: it
> looks like it, has the same bloat factor and packs way to many features in
> a single frame. Where is the innovation? I switched from KDE to Gnome
> because I saw smarter programs being developed by the Gnome team, but after
> seeing Gnumeric and now this Evolution I start to doubt.

I don't think that Evolution is targeted towards experienced users. I think
the purpose of it is to get some Windows-users to switch to linux, and to
provide an MS-exchange server. It seems like it will be better and surely
safer than Outlook, so there is much reason for windows-users to switch to
linux/GNOME. It would be great if evolution could use for example the GIMP
ui (many windows), but in that case it might not succeed in providing an
easy replacement for Outlook.

afaik there are other programs for experienced users (balsa ?, (x)emacs
with VM/Gnus ...).

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Re: Helix Gnome Evolution 0.3

[paul]

> ** On Jul 29, Ethan Pierce scribbled:
> > The main reason I am psyched for evolution is my girlfriend cant grasp pine
> > or mail.  She needs something graphical.  If I can avoid booting windows2000
> > so she can read her email in outlook I will be happy as a clam...hence
> > evolution is the perfect solution for the ms llamas :)
> And this is a perfect reasong for Evolution existence :-)), and a
> confirmation of what I wrote before. But, wrt. graphical clients - there are
> more than just Evolution - Netscape Communicator, balsa (also a GNOME app),
> heck - even the (X)Emacs VM can be considered graphical if used with XEmacs
> :)) and probably many more I haven't heard of :)
> 
> marek

don't forget mh (or nmh) and exim

-ptw

Re: Helix Gnome Evolution 0.3

[Marek Habersack]

** On Jul 29, Ethan Pierce scribbled:
> The main reason I am psyched for evolution is my girlfriend cant grasp pine
> or mail.  She needs something graphical.  If I can avoid booting windows2000
> so she can read her email in outlook I will be happy as a clam...hence
> evolution is the perfect solution for the ms llamas :)
And this is a perfect reasong for Evolution existence :-)), and a
confirmation of what I wrote before. But, wrt. graphical clients - there are
more than just Evolution - Netscape Communicator, balsa (also a GNOME app),
heck - even the (X)Emacs VM can be considered graphical if used with XEmacs
:)) and probably many more I haven't heard of :)

marek


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Re: Helix Gnome Evolution 0.3

[Ethan Pierce]

The main reason I am psyched for evolution is my girlfriend cant grasp pine
or mail.  She needs something graphical.  If I can avoid booting windows2000
so she can read her email in outlook I will be happy as a clam...hence
evolution is the perfect solution for the ms llamas :)
- Original Message -
From: "Marek Habersack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Hans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Helix Gnome Evolution 0.3

Re: Helix Gnome Evolution 0.3

[Marek Habersack]

** On Jul 29, Andre Berger scribbled:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marek Habersack) writes:
> 
> > it as on a marketing/support factor. If any of your customers would come to
> > you and say "hm... I would switch to Linux, but I kinda like the M$ Outlook.
> > If Linux had something like that...". Now you will be able to say "Voila!
> > Evolution - right here for you!" :-). Besides, the product will no doubt be
> > dozens of times more secure than any of the M$ incarnations of Outlook.
> 
> When my department switched to Linux (CorelLinux w/ KDE), our intent
> was to provide a familiar UI for the designated Ex-Windows users. (We
> purged that perverted slink stuff quickly in favor of woody w/ Gnome
> for technical reasons. And KDE can't handle 800x600 in a way that
> would make us happy.) The user fraction on their side were also seriously
> disappointed from "Linux Windows"... because they have to mount
> removables now: "But you have to admit that Windows is easier to use",
> repeated by two dozen people every once a while we show up. I guess it's
> psychologically important for "the man on the keyboard" not only to use
> SW that makes a difference on the system level but visualize the
> difference on the GUI level. This helps not to confuse apples and
> pears, and also won't force us to compete with MS's featuritis. 
I agree with you 100% - and Evolution as well as any other GNOME software
makes exactly that difference - the UI has different appearance, so that one
can immediately tell what is being used. My point wasn't that the software
must/should be a GPL-ed mirror of the "other" software, no - my point is
that the transition curve for the newcomer to the Linux OSes should be
minimized by providing the most common features/screen layout _by default_
in the software s/he is to use. You cannot and should not force anyone to
learn anything completely new when he is just a mere user, not programmer,
developer or die-hard hacker, whatever. I don't know whether you have ever
had anything to do with support services but if you would, then you'd know
how hard it is to persuade common users of software to using anything else
they familiar with. And that's the whole point I want to make - they want
software which is similar enough to what they have used before for them not
to spend weeks in learning everything anew.

marek


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Re: Helix Gnome Evolution 0.3

[Andre Berger]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marek Habersack) writes:

> it as on a marketing/support factor. If any of your customers would come to
> you and say "hm... I would switch to Linux, but I kinda like the M$ Outlook.
> If Linux had something like that...". Now you will be able to say "Voila!
> Evolution - right here for you!" :-). Besides, the product will no doubt be
> dozens of times more secure than any of the M$ incarnations of Outlook.

When my department switched to Linux (CorelLinux w/ KDE), our intent
was to provide a familiar UI for the designated Ex-Windows users. (We
purged that perverted slink stuff quickly in favor of woody w/ Gnome
for technical reasons. And KDE can't handle 800x600 in a way that
would make us happy.) The user fraction on their side were also seriously
disappointed from "Linux Windows"... because they have to mount
removables now: "But you have to admit that Windows is easier to use",
repeated by two dozen people every once a while we show up. I guess it's
psychologically important for "the man on the keyboard" not only to use
SW that makes a difference on the system level but visualize the
difference on the GUI level. This helps not to confuse apples and
pears, and also won't force us to compete with MS's featuritis. 

My 0,02 EUR
Andre
--- 
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Loses both and deserves neither

Re: Helix Gnome Evolution 0.3

[Marek Habersack]

** On Jul 29, Hans scribbled:
> At 12:03 PM 7/28/00 -0400, Ethan Pierce wrote:
> >Hi, I was reading today on slashdot about Evolution 0.3.  They have a
> download link for the tar.gz file.  I was wondering if the apt-get utility
> will work if I use the spidermonkey.helixgnome.com source for the update?
> Has anyone else tried this?
> >
> >Thanks -Ethan
> >
> >
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> >
> I don't want to start a war here, but what's so great about Evolution? It
> looks more like a regression to me. It imitates M$ in more than one way: it
> looks like it, has the same bloat factor and packs way to many features in
> a single frame. Where is the innovation? I switched from KDE to Gnome
> because I saw smarter programs being developed by the Gnome team, but after
> seeing Gnumeric and now this Evolution I start to doubt.
Nobody forces you to use Evolution. The advantage of such software is that
it provides a functionally and visually equivalent to proprietary software
while being 100% free. I suppose that advantage is obvious. You can look at
it as on a marketing/support factor. If any of your customers would come to
you and say "hm... I would switch to Linux, but I kinda like the M$ Outlook.
If Linux had something like that...". Now you will be able to say "Voila!
Evolution - right here for you!" :-). Besides, the product will no doubt be
dozens of times more secure than any of the M$ incarnations of Outlook.
There was an awful flamewar some time ago on debian-devel/debian-project
regarding non-free software. One of the arguments of one of the sides was
that as long as we cannot provide the users with 100% free equivalents to
the proprietary/non-free software we cannot remove the non-free section from
Debian. Well, Evolution is one (big) step towards the goal of having only
free software in your machine. 

That said, I will only state that I won't use Evolution for my own mail,
since I prefer other MUAs, but I find Evolution a great thing to have in our
(read: the free community) software pool :-)

marek


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Re: Helix Gnome Evolution 0.3

[Hans]

At 12:03 PM 7/28/00 -0400, Ethan Pierce wrote:
>Hi, I was reading today on slashdot about Evolution 0.3.  They have a
download link for the tar.gz file.  I was wondering if the apt-get utility
will work if I use the spidermonkey.helixgnome.com source for the update?
Has anyone else tried this?
>
>Thanks -Ethan
>
>
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>
I don't want to start a war here, but what's so great about Evolution? It
looks more like a regression to me. It imitates M$ in more than one way: it
looks like it, has the same bloat factor and packs way to many features in
a single frame. Where is the innovation? I switched from KDE to Gnome
because I saw smarter programs being developed by the Gnome team, but after
seeing Gnumeric and now this Evolution I start to doubt.

Hans
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Re: Helix Gnome Evolution 0.3

[Marek Habersack]

** On Jul 28, Kent West scribbled:
> Ethan Pierce wrote:
> > 
> > Sorry all, the sources.list line should read:
> > 
> > deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/evolution/distributions/Debian/ ./
> > 
> 
> I thought the . in "./" was a typo, so I didn't include it. I got a
> bunch of dependency errors. So I went back and added the . and tried
> again; still got dependency errors. Oh well, guess I'll wait a while to
> give 'er a spin
Try including the following line in addition to the above:

deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable main

it should work just fine now

marek


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Re: Helix Gnome Evolution 0.3

[Kent West]

Ethan Pierce wrote:
> 
> Sorry all, the sources.list line should read:
> 
> deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/evolution/distributions/Debian/ ./
> 

I thought the . in "./" was a typo, so I didn't include it. I got a
bunch of dependency errors. So I went back and added the . and tried
again; still got dependency errors. Oh well, guess I'll wait a while to
give 'er a spin

Thanks anyway!

Re: Helix Gnome Evolution 0.3

[Phil Brutsche]

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far way, someone said...

> Hi, I was reading today on slashdot about Evolution 0.3.  They have a
> download link for the tar.gz file.  I was wondering if the apt-get
> utility will work if I use the spidermonkey.helixgnome.com source for
> the update?  Has anyone else tried this?

The line for sources.list is
deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/evolution/distributions/Debian/ ./

After that do your usual 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get install evolution'.

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Re: Helix Gnome Evolution 0.3

[Ethan Pierce]

Sorry all, the sources.list line should read:

deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/evolution/distributions/Debian/ ./



>>> Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07/28/00 12:15PM >>>
Ethan Pierce wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I found the answer to my question.  Evolution .3 is a Microsoft 
> Outlook replacement for linux.  To get it via apt-get add the following to 
> sources.list
> 
> deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/evolution/distributions/Debian 
> 
> run - apt-get update
>   - apt-get install evolution
> 
> Enjoy - this looks promising and a great start to getting MS outta the office!
> 

Nope; apt-get update reports a mal-formed line.

Re: Helix Gnome Evolution 0.3

[Kent West]

Ethan Pierce wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I found the answer to my question.  Evolution .3 is a Microsoft 
> Outlook replacement for linux.  To get it via apt-get add the following to 
> sources.list
> 
> deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/evolution/distributions/Debian
> 
> run - apt-get update
>   - apt-get install evolution
> 
> Enjoy - this looks promising and a great start to getting MS outta the office!
> 

Nope; apt-get update reports a mal-formed line.

Re: Helix Gnome Evolution 0.3

[Ethan Pierce]

Sorry, I found the answer to my question.  Evolution .3 is a Microsoft Outlook 
replacement for linux.  To get it via apt-get add the following to sources.list

deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/evolution/distributions/Debian 

run - apt-get update
  - apt-get install evolution

Enjoy - this looks promising and a great start to getting MS outta the office!

>>> "Ethan Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07/28/00 12:00PM >>>
Hi, I was reading today on slashdot about Evolution 0.3.  They have a download 
link for the tar.gz file.  I was wondering if the apt-get utility will work if 
I use the spidermonkey.helixgnome.com source for the update?  Has anyone else 
tried this?

Thanks -Ethan


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Re: Helix Code Packages

[Morten Liebach]

On Sun, Jul 16, 2000 at 06:42:43PM -0400, Timothy Ritchey wrote:
> > deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable main
> 
> I've got this in my /etc/apt/souces.list file. Weird. I will keep looking at
> it.
> 
Uhm, this might be obvious, but gimp-1.1.24 is not installed with the
automagic install per the instructions on helixcode's website.
You have to fetch those other packages  later, same goes for all the
nice gtk & sawfish themes (~20MB extra).

HTH, HAND.

Regards
Morten

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Re: Helix Code Packages

[Timothy Ritchey]

> deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable main

I've got this in my /etc/apt/souces.list file. Weird. I will keep looking at
it.

tim

Re: Helix Code Packages

[Mike Werner]

Timothy Ritchey wrote:
> Greetings!
> I have a debian system running woody, and tried to load up the HelixCode
> using their installer. Everything seemed to work okay, but even though I
> selected the full install, many packages were not installed (such as the
> 1.1.24 gimp, etc.) When I did an apt-get update, apt-get upgrade. It said
> there were no updated packages, and when I tried apt-get install gimp, or
> searched for the packages in dselect they did not appear.
> 
> Here is the confusing part - once I had dselect update, the packages
> appeared, and I could install them. Is there something I don't know about
> apt-get update? I assumed it would have updated the package list. Am I doing
> something wrong?

Sounds like it.  What is this installer you mention?  I also run woody on
two machines here, and both are using Helix Gnome.  All I did to get that
installed was to add a line into my /etc/apt/sources.list for the Helix
site, run apt-get update, and then apt-get install task-helix-gnome  And
that's all it took.  For reference, my sources.list is:

deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free
deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable main
deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib 
non-free
deb http://kde.tdyc.com woody kde2 kde contrib

The third line down is, of course, the line for the Helix Gnome stuff.  Add
that line into your sources.list, run the update, then do the install of the
task-helix-gnome package, and you should be good to go.  In fact, that'll
install so many packages you might want to go back through and thin out a
few of 'em.  I'm slowly in the process of doing just that, though I'm in no
rush at all.

As for what dselect was doing, ya got me.  Me and dselect have never gotten
along, so I ignore it completely in favor of apt-get.
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Re: Helix Gnome Updater

[Mark Herrick]

Oh - I was under the impression it was a bit smarter than that :(
I don't think I'll bother then - Thanks Joachim.

On 09/07/00 at 22:44 Joachim Trinkwitz spake the following magic words:

>"Mark Herrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> I've installed Helix Gnome on my potato system using:
>> apt-get install task-helix-gnome
>> and it works great, but does anyone know where I can get debs for the
>> helix-updater?
>
>Not packaged after all I know, but what would you do with it? (The
>updater is only an imitation of apt, isn't it, and Helix is updating
>the GNOME debs quite so often.)
>
>Greetings,
>joachim


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Re: Helix Gnome Updater

[Joachim Trinkwitz]

"Mark Herrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I've installed Helix Gnome on my potato system using:
> apt-get install task-helix-gnome
> and it works great, but does anyone know where I can get debs for the
> helix-updater?

Not packaged after all I know, but what would you do with it? (The
updater is only an imitation of apt, isn't it, and Helix is updating
the GNOME debs quite so often.)

Greetings,
joachim

Re: Helix Gnome vs Debian Gnome -- worth the upgrade?

[Lee Elliott]

Kent West wrote:
> 
> Nathan E Norman wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 01:15:34PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> > > I tried to install HelixGNOME via the instructions for Debian on
> > > the helixcore website (lynx -source blah blah blah), and chose
> > > option 3 (full install), and it looked like everything was going
> > > fine, until I got a dependency error that libsound is apparently
> > > not available. I haven't been able to find this package anywhere
> > > .deb form, so I've just put HelixGNOME on the back burner for
> > > now.
> >
> > Erm, Helix supplies debs.  They work, too.
> >
> > # Helix GNOME
> > deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable main
> > deb-src http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable main
> >
> > --
> > Nathan Norman "Eschew Obfuscation"  Network Engineer
> > GPG Key ID 1024D/51F98BB7http://home.midco.net/~nnorman/
> > Key fingerprint = C5F4 A147 416C E0BF AB73  8BEF F0C8 255C 51F9 8BB7
> >
> >   -
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> 
> My bad. Although I had the first line in my sources.list file,
> when I did the install gdm was installed, only it came up broken
> (explanation below). So I tried to use kdm to see what effect it
> had and it was broken, so I did an "apt-get install kdm", which
> then complained about the missing libsound package.
> 
> So like the idiot that I am, I added my "problem with Helix" to
> this discussion, not thinking straight enough to realize that my
> problem was with KDE, not Helix.
> 
> I reckon I need to get one of them "Stupid" signs to display.
> 
> So here's my real problem with Helix: when I run gdm, it brings
> up a gnome login screen that if I accept the default X session of
> Gnome, dumps me into a screen with a Gnome-ish file-browser-type
> window that is partially off the screen and with a Gnome Tips
> window. I can close the tips window, but I can't access the title
> bar of the file-browser to move it or close it, etc. There is not
> Gnome taskbar (with the "foot" and other icons), and clicking on
> bare desktop background doesn't bring up any pop-up menus, no
> matter which button I use. So it appears that the install is
> broken on my machine.
> 
> If anyone knows the solution, great; if not, no biggie; like I
> said, I've just put HelixGNOME on the back burner for now.

Sounds like there's no window manager running.  If I use the Gradient
theme for Sawmill, the Sawmill window manager eventually crashes out and
leaves all my windows in this state.  I can close them via the File
menu, if present.  What I do, apart from not using the Gradient theme,
is to select another window manager via the Gnome Control Centre, try
it, and revert back to Sawmill to restart it.  Mind you, I run a Gnome
session, so I still have the Gnome Panel when Sawmill crashes.

LeeE
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...or something

Re: Helix Gnome vs Debian Gnome -- worth the upgrade?

[Kent West]

Nathan E Norman wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 01:15:34PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> > I tried to install HelixGNOME via the instructions for Debian on
> > the helixcore website (lynx -source blah blah blah), and chose
> > option 3 (full install), and it looked like everything was going
> > fine, until I got a dependency error that libsound is apparently
> > not available. I haven't been able to find this package anywhere
> > .deb form, so I've just put HelixGNOME on the back burner for
> > now.
> 
> Erm, Helix supplies debs.  They work, too.
> 
> # Helix GNOME
> deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable main
> deb-src http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable main
> 
> --
> Nathan Norman "Eschew Obfuscation"  Network Engineer
> GPG Key ID 1024D/51F98BB7http://home.midco.net/~nnorman/
> Key fingerprint = C5F4 A147 416C E0BF AB73  8BEF F0C8 255C 51F9 8BB7
> 
>   -
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My bad. Although I had the first line in my sources.list file,
when I did the install gdm was installed, only it came up broken
(explanation below). So I tried to use kdm to see what effect it
had and it was broken, so I did an "apt-get install kdm", which
then complained about the missing libsound package.

So like the idiot that I am, I added my "problem with Helix" to
this discussion, not thinking straight enough to realize that my
problem was with KDE, not Helix.

I reckon I need to get one of them "Stupid" signs to display.


So here's my real problem with Helix: when I run gdm, it brings
up a gnome login screen that if I accept the default X session of
Gnome, dumps me into a screen with a Gnome-ish file-browser-type
window that is partially off the screen and with a Gnome Tips
window. I can close the tips window, but I can't access the title
bar of the file-browser to move it or close it, etc. There is not
Gnome taskbar (with the "foot" and other icons), and clicking on
bare desktop background doesn't bring up any pop-up menus, no
matter which button I use. So it appears that the install is
broken on my machine.

If anyone knows the solution, great; if not, no biggie; like I
said, I've just put HelixGNOME on the back burner for now.

-- 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Helix Gnome vs Debian Gnome -- worth the upgrade?

[Nathan E Norman]

On Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 01:15:34PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> I tried to install HelixGNOME via the instructions for Debian on
> the helixcore website (lynx -source blah blah blah), and chose
> option 3 (full install), and it looked like everything was going
> fine, until I got a dependency error that libsound is apparently
> not available. I haven't been able to find this package anywhere
> .deb form, so I've just put HelixGNOME on the back burner for
> now.

Erm, Helix supplies debs.  They work, too.

# Helix GNOME
deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable main
deb-src http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable main

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Re: Helix Gnome vs Debian Gnome -- worth the upgrade?

[Kent West]

Darlock wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Morten Liebach wrote:
> 
> Currently I use the potato with Helix GNOME and runs fine, I was installed
> the Debian Potato GNOME and the upgrade works perfectly.
> 
> I have this line into sources.list:
> 
> deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable 
> main
> 
> The unstable Woody distro uses the HelixGnome, not the previous version of
> Debian Gnome, and It seems will be the future relation between Gnome and
> Debian...
> 
> __
> Josep Llauradó Selvas  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


I tried to install HelixGNOME via the instructions for Debian on
the helixcore website (lynx -source blah blah blah), and chose
option 3 (full install), and it looked like everything was going
fine, until I got a dependency error that libsound is apparently
not available. I haven't been able to find this package anywhere
.deb form, so I've just put HelixGNOME on the back burner for
now.

-- 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]