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On Mi, 22 dec 10, 08:27:38, John Hasler wrote: Lisi writes: It is, however, easier if the names are in some easily remembered progression (e.g. Hardy, Intrepid, Jaunty etc.) than if they are random (Woody, Sarge, Etch, Lenny ...) They are characters from the movie Toy Story. I've never seen it, but I got the impression back when the decision to use them was made that the progression is obvious if you have. Not really. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:30:33AM EST, John Hasler wrote: [..] I have not seen a movie in more than twenty years and probably never will see one again. I find the entire entertainment industry and everyone associated with it faintly disgusting, and, in any case, like popular music, movies are 99% boring crap. The ocassional gem (usually a rhinestone) is not worth sorting through the rest. Not sure about ‘gems’.. but if you have not seen it already, you might have fun watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56ahqtLA3ZYfeature=related Quite relevant. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101226193652.gh4...@turki.gavron.org
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On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 06:41:54PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Darac Marjal wrote: On 22/12/10 16:47, John Hasler wrote: Out of curiosity why don't Windows and Mac count? The companies spend billions hammering the code name/number for the next version into everyone's head before releasing it. Despite never having used Windows even I know that Microsoft's current OS release is Windows 7 and the the previous one was Vista. I don't know what Apple calls their current version, though. Apple are still on version 10. They same as it's been for the last 10 years. Wow.. it really has been that long. OS X (10) was the shift to a Mach Kernel and BSD based platform. Major releases (courtesy of WikiPedia): * Mac OS X Public Beta http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Public_Beta Kodiak * Mac OS X v10.0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.0 Cheetah * Mac OS X v10.1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.1 Puma * Mac OS X v10.2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.2 Jaguar * Mac OS X v10.3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.3 Panther * Mac OS X v10.4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.4 Tiger * Mac OS X v10.5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.5 Leopard * Mac OS X v10.6 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.6 Snow Leopard - current * Mac OS X v10.7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.7 Lion - upcoming Doesn't seem the best nomenclature. There is already duplication. A panther is a puma, jaguar, or leopard, depending on location. They'll be in the calicoes and tabbies soon enough, after bobcat and lynx. -- Regards, Freeman Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO (or Linux) is the answer. --Somebody -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101223025346.ga8...@europa.office
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John Hasler put forth on 12/22/2010 10:35 AM: Lisi writes: But I don't see how that is supposed to make it easy to remember them! You are supposed to have seen the movie nine times and been so thrilled with the special effects that you memorized the list of characters. The number of characters is finite, and thus the reason the team is sticking with the 2 year release cycle instead of going bi-annually or quarterly. :) What, you thought they stuck with 2 years due to any other reason? :P -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d130aa3.5020...@hardwarefreak.com
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Dne, 22. 12. 2010 17:30:33 je John Hasler napisal(a): Petrus Validus writes: The Toy Story movies are good, I would recommend them. I have not seen a movie in more than twenty years and probably never will see one again. I find the entire entertainment industry and everyone associated with it faintly disgusting, and, in any case, like popular music, movies are 99% boring crap. The ocassional gem (usually a rhinestone) is not worth sorting through the rest. -- John Hasler +1 The only movies I can make myself watch at all are pre-1960, particularly the French and Italian movies of the era. Also, some older Russian stuff is not bad. And, of the more recent stuff, Almodovar. I could never stand Hollywood. Hearing Hollywood stuff being called movies makes me cringe. They are capital investments, not works of cineastic art. It's like comparing a telephone book to a Dostoevsky's novel just because, technically, they're both books. Just my 2¢. -- Cheerio, Klistvud http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com Certifiable Loonix User #481801 Please reply to the list, not to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1293093927.716...@compax
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Darac Marjal put forth on 12/22/2010 3:14 PM: On 22/12/10 16:47, John Hasler wrote: Out of curiosity why don't Windows and Mac count? The companies spend billions hammering the code name/number for the next version into everyone's head before releasing it. Despite never having used Windows even I know that Microsoft's current OS release is Windows 7 and the the previous one was Vista. I don't know what Apple calls their current version, though. Apple are still on version 10. They same as it's been for the last 10 years. Both the Linux kernel and Postfix follow the same trend. Both have been on major revision 2 for---ever now. Considering the way the versioning is done on both Linux and Postfix, there will never be a 3.x release of either, as the core architecture will never undergo another major change. For either to do so would require a redefinition of major change. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d13122f.2080...@hardwarefreak.com
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Stan Hoeppner wrote: Both the Linux kernel and Postfix follow the same trend. Both have been on major revision 2 for---ever now. Considering the way the versioning is done on both Linux and Postfix, there will never be a 3.x release of either, as the core architecture will never undergo another major change. For either to do so would require a redefinition of major change. I think you will find that the kernel will advance as I understand it, the 2.6 is the current normal branch and 2.7 is development, once 2.7 makes it to 2.8, then 2.9 will be dev . 3.0 / 3.1 and so on. It's just that we have lived with 2.2, 2.4 and now 2.6 kernels for so long it doesn't seem to change often ... but it will in time, I'm sure. Cheers -- Kind Regards AndrewM Andrew McGlashan Broadband Solutions now including VoIP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d13308c.2060...@affinityvision.com.au
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On 23 December 2010 21:20, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: I think you will find that the kernel will advance as I understand it, the 2.6 is the current normal branch and 2.7 is development, once 2.7 makes it to 2.8, then 2.9 will be dev . 3.0 / 3.1 and so on. It's just that we have lived with 2.2, 2.4 and now 2.6 kernels for so long it doesn't seem to change often ... but it will in time, I'm sure. I remembered a message from Linus talking about versioning from a while ago http://kerneltrap.org/node/436 And -- 24x7x365 != 24x7x52 Stupid or bad maths? erno hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktincshjnw1ab7qjzqv1jxus9l8f9p1au5kpij...@mail.gmail.com
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In 4d13308c.2060...@affinityvision.com.au, Andrew McGlashan wrote: Stan Hoeppner wrote: Both the Linux kernel and Postfix follow the same trend. Both have been on major revision 2 for---ever now. Considering the way the versioning is done on both Linux and Postfix, there will never be a 3.x release of either, as the core architecture will never undergo another major change. For either to do so would require a redefinition of major change. I think you will find that the kernel will advance as I understand it, the 2.6 is the current normal branch and 2.7 is development, once 2.7 makes it to 2.8, then 2.9 will be dev . 3.0 / 3.1 and so on. (One of) The old way(s) was to use x.odd as development versions and x.even as stable versions, with various meanings for stable. Last I checked, that has gone away though. Things that are normally considered major changes in software, like changes in ABI or other backward compatibility issues e.g., are no longer done on the 2.7 branch. Instead, they are simply done on the 2.6.x branch and downstream is expected to put up with it. Instead of stable versions being part of the release planning, a version is usually declared stable sometime after it's release when it's relatively clear there are few major bugs and someone steps up to do the minor maintenance work. If all Free Software was maintained in such a way, it would be much more difficult (maybe impossible) for Debian to exist in it's current form as new packages entering Sid would causes an order of magnitude more cascading breakages, and running a mixed system would be a recipe for disaster. The kernel is a bit of a special case though AND the kernel developers are very aware of the havoc poor maintenance on their part could cause and have their own socio-technical solutions that have worked very well at least since 2.6.16. It's just that we have lived with 2.2, 2.4 and now 2.6 kernels for so long it doesn't seem to change often ... but it will in time, I'm sure. I don't think they will actually change the 2.6 moniker to 2.7 / 2.8 / 3.0 in the future. I think it is more likely that they will just drop it from standard usage, so that the kernel I am currently running on this system will simply be Linux 32.5. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 23:24:25 +1000 Adrian Levi adrian.l...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 December 2010 21:20, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: I think you will find that the kernel will advance as I understand it, the 2.6 is the current normal branch and 2.7 is development, once 2.7 makes it to 2.8, then 2.9 will be dev . 3.0 / 3.1 and so on. It's just that we have lived with 2.2, 2.4 and now 2.6 kernels for so long it doesn't seem to change often ... but it will in time, I'm sure. I remembered a message from Linus talking about versioning from a while ago http://kerneltrap.org/node/436 http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7732 http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-kernel/2008/7/15/2497424 http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=818 http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20051106172616929 Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101223092647.869b2ea8.cele...@gmail.com
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On Tuesday 21 December 2010 22:16:42 Mark Goldshtein wrote: It is, however, easier if the names are in some easily remembered progression (e.g. Hardy, Intrepid, Jaunty etc.) than if they are random (Woody, Sarge, Etch, Lenny ...) - I always found Ubuntu's system more confusing in terms of actually REMEMBERING the names in the first place, though the alphabetical progression thing does make finding a given release's place in the timeline easier. I rather like Debian's naming system, but then again I liked toy story and find the system cute. ...I really dig cute! It all comes down to different people like different styles and things, not everybody will be pleased no matter what you do, so you find a system that in some way works and matches the heart of what your project is about. (Hacker humor?) And you move on, it really is not that big a deal! TeddyB (--- cute! LOL) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1748302267-1293008933-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-8346256...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:09:39 -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote: On 2010-12-21 2:16 PM, Mark Goldshtein wrote: I am just curious, how novices 'get lost' with, for example, Debian Stable 2011? Of course, after that, you may add 6.0 and Squeeze and whatever the Team wants, for example, full GNU v3 license text. My experience is with Suse (all numbers) and FreeBSD (all numbers). Wind$ws doesn't count! And, for that matter, Mac doesn't count. There are numbers in Debian (5.0, 5.0.6, 5.0.7...). To try to remember Sid, Lenny, Squeeze, which one is the newest, etc. Lenny 5.x Squeeze 6.x Sid (always on top) I don't see where is the difficulty. Yes, of course, the packages are constantly updating, which happens in FreeBSD all the time, but knowing which base you are at, WITH A NUMBER, is cleaner IMO. John Hasler said it best all fought out on debian-devel many years ago. I did not mean to begin a war, nor did I anticipate the (few) personal flames I received. I simply didn't follow the archives far enough back. To me, it seems reasonable to talk about this as newcomers (me included) are not aware of the inners of these naming decisions, but my vote would go for the current system. Also, Debian release support cycles are (hopefully) one of the longest you can find out there (2 years) so you have enough time to remember both, the release codename and the number ;-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.12.22.10.33...@gmail.com
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To me, it seems reasonable to talk about this as newcomers (me included) are not aware of the inners of these naming decisions, but my vote would go for the current system. [SNIP] Camaleón --- Camaleón, a newcommer??? I just don't see that, you are able to like help almost everybody who post an issue... I so thought you're a SysAdmin... Maybe even a Devloper! TeddyB
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o Jim Pazarena deb...@paz.bz: what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS? having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer. And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the goofy naming system which throws the novice? Rumors are, there is a Debian based operating system out there, that numbers it's releases year/month and gives them alphabetically ascending code names... flori -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2010-12-22$13.07...@x.vimhelp.de.vu
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Rumors are, there is a Debian based operating system out there, that numbers it's releases year/month and gives them alphabetically ascending code names... flori --- Yes, and just like Voldermort, we must not speak it's evil name... TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2076394613-1293025463-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-20303902...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
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On 12/22/2010 3:44 PM, teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net wrote: Rumors are, there is a Debian based operating system out there, that numbers it's releases year/month and gives them alphabetically ascending code names... can you let's us know the name of that new Debian based OS? flori --- Yes, and just like Voldermort, we must not speak it's evil name... TeddyB -- Eric KOM 2 Hennie Van Till, White River, 1240 eric...@namekom.co.za www.erickom.co.za | www.erickom.za.net | www.kom.za.org Key fingerprint: 513E E91A C243 3020 8735 09BB 2DBC 5AD7 A9DA 1EF5 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d120446.1010...@namekom.co.za
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My experience is with Suse (all numbers) and FreeBSD (all numbers). Wind$ws doesn't count! And, for that matter, Mac doesn't count. Out of curiosity why don't Windows and Mac count? -- Petrus Validus petrus.vali...@gmail.com If there isn't a way, I'll make one. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1293027273.4156.8.ca...@axon.8eews
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Lisi writes: It is, however, easier if the names are in some easily remembered progression (e.g. Hardy, Intrepid, Jaunty etc.) than if they are random (Woody, Sarge, Etch, Lenny ...) They are characters from the movie Toy Story. I've never seen it, but I got the impression back when the decision to use them was made that the progression is obvious if you have. BTW what is Ubuntu going to do after Zoftig Zebra? -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87tyi5evc5@thumper.dhh.gt.org
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They are characters from the movie Toy Story. I've never seen it, but I got the impression back when the decision to use them was made that the progression is obvious if you have. The Toy Story movies are good, I would recommend them. BTW what is Ubuntu going to do after Zoftig Zebra? Good question...I have wondered this too. Maybe they have another naming convention lined up? Starting back from the As again would only make things confusing. Regarding Ubuntu, however, I find that it's just easier to use the version number than the code name only because there are far more releases than Debian. But regarding Debian I prefer using the release names as opposed numbers. -- Petrus Validus petrus.vali...@gmail.com If there isn't a way, I'll make one. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1293030307.4156.18.ca...@axon.8eews
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On Wednesday 22 December 2010 14:27:38 John Hasler wrote: Lisi writes: It is, however, easier if the names are in some easily remembered progression (e.g. Hardy, Intrepid, Jaunty etc.) than if they are random (Woody, Sarge, Etch, Lenny ...) They are characters from the movie Toy Story. Yes, I know. But I don't see how that is supposed to make it easy to remember them! I do now know the progression since Sarge, but am very hazy on what came before that. I think that Potato came before Woody, but I may not be right. And were there any others between them, or after them and before Sarge? Though they are certainly less irritatingly twee than Hardy etc. But, provided that one remembers that the first was Warty Warthog, it is easy to work out whether or not something is missing. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201012221523.16574.lisi.re...@gmail.com
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:23:16 + Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 22 December 2010 14:27:38 John Hasler wrote: Lisi writes: It is, however, easier if the names are in some easily remembered progression (e.g. Hardy, Intrepid, Jaunty etc.) than if they are random (Woody, Sarge, Etch, Lenny ...) They are characters from the movie Toy Story. Yes, I know. But I don't see how that is supposed to make it easy to remember them! I do now know the progression since Sarge, but am very hazy on what came before that. I think that Potato came before Woody, but I may not be right. And were there any others between them, or after them and before Sarge? Though they are certainly less irritatingly twee than Hardy etc. But, provided that one remembers that the first was Warty Warthog, it is easy to work out whether or not something is missing. Lisi http://tinyurl.com/34dfgz2 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101222102913.6d70d...@t61.debian-linux
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Petrus Validus writes: The Toy Story movies are good, I would recommend them. I have not seen a movie in more than twenty years and probably never will see one again. I find the entire entertainment industry and everyone associated with it faintly disgusting, and, in any case, like popular music, movies are 99% boring crap. The ocassional gem (usually a rhinestone) is not worth sorting through the rest. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87hbe5epna@thumper.dhh.gt.org
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Lisi writes: But I don't see how that is supposed to make it easy to remember them! You are supposed to have seen the movie nine times and been so thrilled with the special effects that you memorized the list of characters. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87d3otepf2@thumper.dhh.gt.org
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John Hasler wrote: Lisi writes: But I don't see how that is supposed to make it easy to remember them! You are supposed to have seen the movie nine times and been so thrilled with the special effects that you memorized the list of characters. Ahhh... so that's an essential qualification for using Debian? :-) -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. Infnord practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d122d14.1070...@meetinghouse.net
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Out of curiosity why don't Windows and Mac count? The companies spend billions hammering the code name/number for the next version into everyone's head before releasing it. Despite never having used Windows even I know that Microsoft's current OS release is Windows 7 and the the previous one was Vista. I don't know what Apple calls their current version, though. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/878vzheov7@thumper.dhh.gt.org
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I wrote: You are supposed to have seen the movie nine times and been so thrilled with the special effects that you memorized the list of characters. Miles Fidelman writes: Ahhh... so that's an essential qualification for using Debian? :-) Can't be. I use it. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/874oa5en6p@thumper.dhh.gt.org
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Original Message From: petrus.vali...@gmail.com To: jhas...@debian.org Subject: Re: lenny squeeze etc etc Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:05:07 -0500 They are characters from the movie Toy Story. I've never seen it, but I got the impression back when the decision to use them was made that the progression is obvious if you have. The Toy Story movies are good, I would recommend them. BTW what is Ubuntu going to do after Zoftig Zebra? Good question...I have wondered this too. Maybe they have another naming convention lined up? Starting back from the As again would only make things confusing. Regarding Ubuntu, however, I find that it's just easier to use the version number than the code name only because there are far more releases than Debian. But regarding Debian I prefer using the release names as opposed numbers. -- Petrus Validus petrus.vali...@gmail.com If there isn't a way, I'll make one. How about double wrapping as in AAron AArdvark Larry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1293030307.4156.18.ca...@axon.8eews -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/380-2201012322173429...@netptc.net
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Miles Fidelman writes: Ahhh... so that's an essential qualification for using Debian? :-) - Well, Technically, Squeeze could mean a lot of things to a lot of diffrent people... Just putting that out there I've gone way past helpful this time; TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/777453478-1293047506-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-7030373...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
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How about double wrapping as in AAron AArdvark I like it! :D -- Petrus Validus petrus.vali...@gmail.com If there isn't a way, I'll make one. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1293048359.4156.25.ca...@axon.8eews
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:27:38 -0600 John Hasler jhas...@debian.org wrote: Lisi writes: It is, however, easier if the names are in some easily remembered progression (e.g. Hardy, Intrepid, Jaunty etc.) than if they are random (Woody, Sarge, Etch, Lenny ...) They are characters from the movie Toy Story. I've never seen it, but I got the impression back when the decision to use them was made that the progression is obvious if you have. BTW what is Ubuntu going to do after Zoftig Zebra? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Beyond_Zebra! Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101222155057.ae2ebf94.cele...@gmail.com
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On 22/12/10 16:47, John Hasler wrote: Out of curiosity why don't Windows and Mac count? The companies spend billions hammering the code name/number for the next version into everyone's head before releasing it. Despite never having used Windows even I know that Microsoft's current OS release is Windows 7 and the the previous one was Vista. I don't know what Apple calls their current version, though. Apple are still on version 10. They same as it's been for the last 10 years. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d126a29.40...@darac.org.uk
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Darac Marjal wrote: On 22/12/10 16:47, John Hasler wrote: Out of curiosity why don't Windows and Mac count? The companies spend billions hammering the code name/number for the next version into everyone's head before releasing it. Despite never having used Windows even I know that Microsoft's current OS release is Windows 7 and the the previous one was Vista. I don't know what Apple calls their current version, though. Apple are still on version 10. They same as it's been for the last 10 years. Wow.. it really has been that long. OS X (10) was the shift to a Mach Kernel and BSD based platform. Major releases (courtesy of WikiPedia): * Mac OS X Public Beta http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Public_Beta Kodiak * Mac OS X v10.0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.0 Cheetah * Mac OS X v10.1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.1 Puma * Mac OS X v10.2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.2 Jaguar * Mac OS X v10.3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.3 Panther * Mac OS X v10.4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.4 Tiger * Mac OS X v10.5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.5 Leopard * Mac OS X v10.6 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.6 Snow Leopard - current * Mac OS X v10.7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.7 Lion - upcoming Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. Infnord practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d128cc2.3060...@meetinghouse.net
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Dne, 21. 12. 2010 03:45:51 je Jerome BENOIT napisal(a): Hi , On 21/12/10 10:18, Jim Pazarena wrote: what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS? having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer. And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the goofy naming system which throws the novice? do you really think that novices are lost with `goofy name' (as you said) rather than version number ? Novices are generally lost with version numbers. Jerome Well, novices that can get confused by such simple stuff as version numbers, or goofy names, should seriously reconsider whether Debian is the right distribution for them IMHO. Or else get ready for an uphill struggle, where distro names will be the least of their problems. -- Cheerio, Klistvud http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com Certifiable Loonix User #481801 Please reply to the list, not to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1292923666.1802...@compax
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Justin The Cynical cyni...@penguinness.org wrote: On 12/20/2010 20:45, Petrus Validus wrote: On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 18:18 -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote: what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS? having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer. And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the goofy naming system which throws the novice? Don't forget Apple's OS X: Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, etc... Or Microsoft with longhorn, blackcomb, mantis, and so on. Heck, for that matter, Linus named one of the kernel releases something along the lines of 'rabid badger' (it was in the readme, wish I had kept it as I can't find any reference to it now). Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names However, these names are negligible compared to Pan: http://pan.rebelbase.com/ How about Release 0.105: When Churchill opened the door, it was a new car, a Chevrolet Nova.? -- Prosperity makes friends, adversity tries them. -- Publilius Syrus http://chubig.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ieq4h5$lm...@dough.gmane.org
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:18:37 -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote: what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS? having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer. And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the goofy naming system which throws the novice? I like the codename (besides the release number), looks like a more personal way to designate your beloved system. Numbers remind me Cylons... and even Cylons have a name ;-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.12.21.12.57...@gmail.com
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Bob Proulx wrote: Additionally in Debian the release number doesn't really figure into package upgrades. It doesn't matter that Lenny is 5 and Squeeze is 6 because the upgrade happens at the package level and every package has its own version number. The number of the release is relatively insignificant. Good point. -- Jimmy Johnson Debian Squeeze Beta-2 - KDE 4.5.3 - EXT4 at sda7 Registered Linux User #380263 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d1103ed.9060...@gmail.com
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On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 5:51 AM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Jim Pazarena wrote: having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer. And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the goofy naming system which throws the novice? In my experience it is the opposite. Novices get lost with all of the numbers, numbers, numbers but relate better to named things. I am just curious, how novices 'get lost' with, for example, Debian Stable 2011? Of course, after that, you may add 6.0 and Squeeze and whatever the Team wants, for example, full GNU v3 license text. -- Sincerely Yours' Mark Goldshtein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktibdsp6ku20vgbkvupgponnerdkywasjb8x...@mail.gmail.com
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On 2010-12-21 2:16 PM, Mark Goldshtein wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 5:51 AM, Bob Proulxb...@proulx.com wrote: Jim Pazarena wrote: having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer. And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the goofy naming system which throws the novice? In my experience it is the opposite. Novices get lost with all of the numbers, numbers, numbers but relate better to named things. I am just curious, how novices 'get lost' with, for example, Debian Stable 2011? Of course, after that, you may add 6.0 and Squeeze and whatever the Team wants, for example, full GNU v3 license text. My experience is with Suse (all numbers) and FreeBSD (all numbers). Wind$ws doesn't count! And, for that matter, Mac doesn't count. To try to remember Sid, Lenny, Squeeze, which one is the newest, etc. Yes, of course, the packages are constantly updating, which happens in FreeBSD all the time, but knowing which base you are at, WITH A NUMBER, is cleaner IMO. John Hasler said it best all fought out on debian-devel many years ago. I did not mean to begin a war, nor did I anticipate the (few) personal flames I received. I simply didn't follow the archives far enough back. -- Jim Pazarena deb...@paz.bz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d115de3.4000...@paz.bz
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On Tuesday 21 December 2010 22:16:42 Mark Goldshtein wrote: I am just curious, how novices 'get lost' with, for example, Debian Stable 2011? Of course, after that, you may add 6.0 and Squeeze and whatever the Team wants, for example, full GNU v3 license text. a) Suppose that there are several Stable releases in the same calendar year? b) I personally find that it depends on how many there are. A handful? Numbers are easier. More, names are easier. E.g., I installed Open SuSE on my granddaughter's laptop, but cannot remember the exact number (11.x). My husband is on Lenny. Easy to remember. But I actually don't know which out of the possible 5.x.x. And as for Sarge and Woody (3.1 and 3.0???) It is, however, easier if the names are in some easily remembered progression (e.g. Hardy, Intrepid, Jaunty etc.) than if they are random (Woody, Sarge, Etch, Lenny ...) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201012220653.18543.lisi.re...@gmail.com
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Hi , On 21/12/10 10:18, Jim Pazarena wrote: what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS? having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer. And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the goofy naming system which throws the novice? do you really think that novices are lost with `goofy name' (as you said) rather than version number ? Novices are generally lost with version numbers. Jerome -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d1014df.8070...@rezozer.net
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Jim Pazarena wrote: what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS? It isn't just Debian. Most of the software distributions use names for their releases *in addition to* the version numbering just like Debian does. Debian isn't unique here. Just like car companies name their car models too. People tend to relate better to things with names than to numbers. Additionally in Debian the release number doesn't really figure into package upgrades. It doesn't matter that Lenny is 5 and Squeeze is 6 because the upgrade happens at the package level and every package has its own version number. The number of the release is relatively insignificant. The developers have tried different release patterns in the past. They keep discussing new patterns for the future on debian-devel. But so far no one has really come up with a perfect release process. having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer. And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the goofy naming system which throws the novice? In my experience it is the opposite. Novices get lost with all of the numbers, numbers, numbers but relate better to named things. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Jim Pazarena wrote: what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS? having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer. And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the goofy naming system which throws the novice? This was all fought out on debian-devel many years ago. No point in bringing it up now. All the discussion is in the archive. I suggest that you don't read it. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87aajzg7dh@thumper.dhh.gt.org
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Jim Pazarena said: what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS? having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer. And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the goofy naming system which throws the novice? - Windows 98, 2000 Pro., ME, XP, Vista, SeveN, Yeah, were completely going out on a limb there... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1206374790-1292906015-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-3833770...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
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On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 18:18 -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote: what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS? having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer. And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the goofy naming system which throws the novice? Don't forget Apple's OS X: Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, etc... -- Petrus Validus petrus.vali...@gmail.com If there isn't a way, I'll make one. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1292906737.1621.81.ca...@axon.8eews
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On 12/20/2010 20:45, Petrus Validus wrote: On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 18:18 -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote: what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS? having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer. And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the goofy naming system which throws the novice? Don't forget Apple's OS X: Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, etc... Or Microsoft with longhorn, blackcomb, mantis, and so on. Heck, for that matter, Linus named one of the kernel releases something along the lines of 'rabid badger' (it was in the readme, wish I had kept it as I can't find any reference to it now). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d103ead.4070...@penguinness.org
