Re: Rescue disk?

[Sylvain Briole]

Hi Kent,

>>The problem : the new hard disk is too big to be correctly recognized by the
>>BIOS, so I disabled it in the BIOS configuration. I have burned Sarge 3.1
>>netinst CD, and ran the install without any problem, with Grub on /dev/hda
>>(the new hard disk). This computer has no floppy drive : only CD-ROM drive.
>>I booted the computer on the CD-ROM drive, using the well known (for me, under
>>Woody) commando by lilo prompt : rescue root=/dev/hda1
>>But this time, it does not function.
>>Is there any rescue possibility in Sarge?
>>I have read there about Tomsrbt or Damn Small Linux to repair problem with
>>MBR/Grub : but I am not looking for such a solution, but only a convenient
>>method to boot on a CD and then use /dev/hda1 as root.
> I'm confused by your description.

Sorry : my english knowledge is a little bit old : it is difficult for me to be
completely clear!

> First you say the problem is that your hard drive is not recognized by
> the BIOS.

Exactly.

> Then you imply that's not a problem, because the install proceeded
> without a problem.

Exactly : I boot from the Netinst Sarge CD, then install Sarge without any
problem till the first reboot (after Grub install on MBR).

> Then you indicate you're trying to boot via CD. Why? Is it because the
> machine can't find the hard drive and boot from it? What CD are you
> booting from? The Sarge installer?

The machine can not find the hard drive : I must boot from the CD (this is the
only other peripheral that I may use).
The CD I am booting from : the Netinst Sarge CD.

> What is not working about "rescue root=/dev/hda1"? What errors/symptoms
> are you getting? Does this CD use lilo, or Grub?

AFAIK, it uses Isolinux:
- when I try : rescue root=/dev/hda1
  I become : "Could not find kernel image: rescue"
- then, I have tried :
  linux root=/dev/hda1
  and also :
  linux root=0301 (that should be /dev/hda1)
  and the boot process functions till the error message :

  VFS : Cannot open root device "0301" or unknown block(3,1)
  Please append a correct "root=" boot option
  Kernel panic : VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(3,1)
  
Thanks,

Sylvain.


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Re: Rescue disk?

[Kent West]

Sylvain Briole wrote:

>Hi!
>
>I am facing a "little" problem with my Sarge install.
>I was an happy Woody user for a long time, and I need to do a fresh install of
>Sarge on a computer with BIOS problem. This computer ran Woody without any
>problem, but I have received a new hard disk for this one, on which I would 
>like
>to install Sarge.
>The problem : the new hard disk is too big to be correctly recognized by the
>BIOS, so I disabled it in the BIOS configuration. I have burned Sarge 3.1
>netinst CD, and ran the install without any problem, with Grub on /dev/hda (the
>new hard disk). This computer has no floppy drive : only CD-ROM drive.
>I booted the computer on the CD-ROM drive, using the well known (for me, under
>Woody) commando by lilo prompt : rescue root=/dev/hda1
>But this time, it does not function.
>
>Is there any rescue possibility in Sarge?
>I have read there about Tomsrbt or Damn Small Linux to repair problem with
>MBR/Grub : but I am not looking for such a solution, but only a convenient
>method to boot on a CD and then use /dev/hda1 as root.
>
>I thank you in advance for any tip,
>
>Sylvain.
>
>
>  
>
I'm confused by your description.

First you say the problem is that your hard drive is not recognized by
the BIOS.

Then you imply that's not a problem, because the install proceeded
without a problem.

Then you indicate you're trying to boot via CD. Why? Is it because the
machine can't find the hard drive and boot from it? What CD are you
booting from? The Sarge installer?

What is not working about "rescue root=/dev/hda1"? What errors/symptoms
are you getting? Does this CD use lilo, or Grub?

As I ask these questions, I think I've begun to fathom what you're
saying, but I'm not sure, so I'm asking for clarification.

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Re: rescue disk

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Tony Godshall wrote:
According to Hugo Vanwoerkom,
George Iordanou wrote:
I want to create a rescue disk. I went to debian's official webpage
and i downloaded the unstable version which consists of the following
files:
boot.img
cd-drivers.img
net-drivers.img
root.img
How can i create a bootable rescue disk? I want to get into my system
using the floppy's kernel.
Is a bootable rescue CD OK? mkrescue is part of Lilo and creates either 
floppies or CD with "mkrescue --iso", which iso your burn with cdrecord.

I modified mkrescue --iso, which is a script, to come up with a menu 
that actually says which partition is going to boot, rather than "Linux".

Booting that CD gives you the option of using the partition you ran 
mkrescue from or what is on the MBR ("harddisk").

Sounds handy.
Can you post a patch?

=
--- mkrescue.orig   2004-09-13 14:14:15.0 -0500
+++ mkrescue2004-12-01 09:14:32.0 -0600
@@ -427,6 +427,10 @@
 echo " " >>$mountconfig
 echo "image=linux" >>$mountconfig
+if [ $isoimage = yes ]; then
+   echo "label=$image" >>$mountconfig
+fi
+
 if [ ! -z $initrd ]; then
echo "  initrd=initrd" >>$mountconfig
 fi
==
This refers to the current Sarge version of lilo (which contains mkrescue)
I want to make another change: to add all the images of the current 
partition. E.g. I have two images of the current partition that differ 
only in a string on the append: "network". Then in the boot I look for 
that string and if it exists I bring up PPP at boot. If not I don't. 
Many times I need a rescue boot (after failures of the d-i) but I don't 
want the internet. So both of those images should be on the rescue CD.

I'll advise when I got something.
HTH
H

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Re: rescue disk

[Jason Rennie]

On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 07:56:43PM +0200, George Iordanou wrote:
> Unfortunately i haven't exactly understood the procedure. Do i need
> knoppix? I have the installation cd of sarge.

Knoppix is a "live" Debian distribution on a CD.  I.e. you don't have
to install it, just put in the Knoppix CD, boot the computer and up
comes Knoppix.  Since everything is on the CD, it does not rely on
your hard drive being in working order.  If something is broken on
your HD, you can use Knoppix to fix it.  I.e. Knoppix is the ultimate
Linux rescue disk.

All you have to do is to burn the Knoppix distribution onto a CD.
Here's the image I used:

  http://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/knoppix/KNOPPIX_V3.6-2004-08-16-EN.iso

The full list of mirrors is here:

  http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html

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Re: rescue disk

[Tony Godshall]

According to Hugo Vanwoerkom,
> George Iordanou wrote:
> >I want to create a rescue disk. I went to debian's official webpage
> >and i downloaded the unstable version which consists of the following
> >files:
> >
> >boot.img
> >cd-drivers.img
> >net-drivers.img
> >root.img
> >
> >How can i create a bootable rescue disk? I want to get into my system
> >using the floppy's kernel.
> >
> 
> Is a bootable rescue CD OK? mkrescue is part of Lilo and creates either 
> floppies or CD with "mkrescue --iso", which iso your burn with cdrecord.
> 
> I modified mkrescue --iso, which is a script, to come up with a menu 
> that actually says which partition is going to boot, rather than "Linux".
> 
> Booting that CD gives you the option of using the partition you ran 
> mkrescue from or what is on the MBR ("harddisk").

Sounds handy.

Can you post a patch?


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Re: rescue disk

[Wayne Topa]

George Iordanou([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> Thanks a lot for your help.
> 
> 
> > if you have a bootable disk with chroot, you can run the mkrescue (or
> > maybe mkboot for a bootdisk). I usually use knoppix.
> Unfortunately i haven't exactly understood the procedure. Do i need
> knoppix? I have the installation cd of sarge.
> 
<- snip ->
> What is mkrescue?
> 
> Excuse me, i'm very confused and i'm trying to understand the
> procedure so that i fix the problem. Thanks a lot for your feedback

$ which mkrescue
/usr/sbin/mkrescue

$ dpkg -S /usr/sbin/mkrescue
lilo: /usr/sbin/mkrescue

$man mkrescue
MKRESCUE(8)

NAME
   mkrescue - make rescue floppy

SYNOPSIS
   /usr/sbin/mkrescue - make a bootable rescue floppy or CD using the
default kernel specified in lilo.conf.

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Re: rescue disk

[Chris Lale]

On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 16:29, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> George Iordanou wrote:
> > I want to create a rescue disk. I went to debian's official webpage
> > and i downloaded the unstable version which consists of the following
> > files:
> > 
> > boot.img
> > cd-drivers.img
> > net-drivers.img
> > root.img
> > 
> > How can i create a bootable rescue disk? I want to get into my system
> > using the floppy's kernel.
> > 
> 
> Is a bootable rescue CD OK? mkrescue is part of Lilo and creates either 
> floppies or CD with "mkrescue --iso", which iso your burn with cdrecord.
> 
> I modified mkrescue --iso, which is a script, to come up with a menu 
> that actually says which partition is going to boot, rather than "Linux".
> 
> Booting that CD gives you the option of using the partition you ran 
> mkrescue from or what is on the MBR ("harddisk").

dfsbuild is a Sarge package. I have not tried it, but it produces a
grub-booting CD ISO for you to burn:

Debian From Scratch (DFS) is a live bootable CD that is designed to
provide a fully-featured kernel and a fully-featured rescue environment.
The rescue environment contains filesystem tools, editors, C development
environment, etc.

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Re: rescue disk

[George Iordanou]

Thanks a lot for your help.


> if you have a bootable disk with chroot, you can run the mkrescue (or
> maybe mkboot for a bootdisk). I usually use knoppix.
Unfortunately i haven't exactly understood the procedure. Do i need
knoppix? I have the installation cd of sarge.


> Is a bootable rescue CD OK? mkrescue is part of Lilo and creates either
> floppies or CD with "mkrescue --iso", which iso your burn with cdrecord.
I am using Grub not Lilo

> I modified mkrescue --iso, which is a script, to come up with a menu
> that actually says which partition is going to boot, rather than "Linux".
> Booting that CD gives you the option of using the partition you ran
> mkrescue from or what is on the MBR ("harddisk").
What is mkrescue?

Excuse me, i'm very confused and i'm trying to understand the
procedure so that i fix the problem. Thanks a lot for your feedback


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Re: rescue disk

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

George Iordanou wrote:
I want to create a rescue disk. I went to debian's official webpage
and i downloaded the unstable version which consists of the following
files:
boot.img
cd-drivers.img
net-drivers.img
root.img
How can i create a bootable rescue disk? I want to get into my system
using the floppy's kernel.
Is a bootable rescue CD OK? mkrescue is part of Lilo and creates either 
floppies or CD with "mkrescue --iso", which iso your burn with cdrecord.

I modified mkrescue --iso, which is a script, to come up with a menu 
that actually says which partition is going to boot, rather than "Linux".

Booting that CD gives you the option of using the partition you ran 
mkrescue from or what is on the MBR ("harddisk").

HTH
H



Thanks,
George


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Re: rescue disk

[Kevin Mark]

On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 08:47:41PM +0200, George Iordanou wrote:
> I want to create a rescue disk. I went to debian's official webpage
> and i downloaded the unstable version which consists of the following
> files:
> 
> boot.img
> cd-drivers.img
> net-drivers.img
> root.img
> 
> How can i create a bootable rescue disk? I want to get into my system
> using the floppy's kernel.
> 
> Thanks,
> George
> 
> 
Hi George,
if you have a bootable disk with chroot, you can run the mkrescue (or
maybe mkboot for a bootdisk). I usually use knoppix.
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Re: rescue disk

[George Iordanou]

I've actually managed to create a boot disk using dd command. I cannot
mount my / filesystem though

Partition table:
/dev/hda1 /boot
/dev/hda2 /home
/dev/hda3 /

boot: linux rescue root=/dev/hda3

Isn't this the right command to mount the / system using the CD/floppy's kernel?

Cheers,
George


On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:21:56 -0600, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 20:47 +0200, George Iordanou wrote:
> 
> 
> > I want to create a rescue disk. I went to debian's official webpage
> > and i downloaded the unstable version which consists of the following
> > files:
> >
> > boot.img
> > cd-drivers.img
> > net-drivers.img
> > root.img
> >
> > How can i create a bootable rescue disk? I want to get into my system
> > using the floppy's kernel.
> 
> Have you tried Knoppix?
> 
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Re: rescue disk

[Ron Johnson]

On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 20:47 +0200, George Iordanou wrote:
> I want to create a rescue disk. I went to debian's official webpage
> and i downloaded the unstable version which consists of the following
> files:
> 
> boot.img
> cd-drivers.img
> net-drivers.img
> root.img
> 
> How can i create a bootable rescue disk? I want to get into my system
> using the floppy's kernel.

Have you tried Knoppix?

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Re: rescue disk for powerPC (beige G3)

[Noah L. Meyerhans]

On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 12:34:46PM -0800, Micha Feigin wrote:
> I am trying to run a beige G3 mac (powerpc) with only linux on it (no
> mac-os) which rools out bootX if I can.

I actually don't think this is possible.  The beige G3 seems to occupy
some strange space between NewWorld and OldWorld, and neither yaboot nor
qwik can boot it.  I struggled with this for some time before giving up
and using BootX on a really tiny MacOS 9 installation.  It sucks, but it
works.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] might be able to give you more info,
though I don't think they'll be able to help you get rid of BootX.

noah

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Re: rescue disk install

[Osamu Aoki]

As I see kernel configuration of recent 2.2.19, most of USB staffs are
compiled as modules.  That means you may eed to add those module names
to /etc/modules or manually do insmod/modprobe those modules to enable
USB functionality  Good luck :-)

(I do not have such a fancy PC so above are just specuration.)

On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 02:05:56PM -0600, Jeff Conder wrote:
> Thanks for the ideas Brian.
> 
> Luckily I had a 6 pin connector on the tower and another
> keyboard. It got me up an installed - now the moment
> of truth :o  I'm going to reboot and see if the system
> works. I installed the USB keyboard driver.
> 
> btw - this is my first install.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jeff
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 9:56 AM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: rescue disk install
> 
> On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 01:20:13AM -0600, Jeff Conder wrote:
> > Has anyone installed potato on a system with a USB keyboard?
> > I have a rescue and root disk, but when I'm asked to insert
> > the root disk and press return, nothing happens. I put the
> > root disk in but can't get the install to continue. It doesn't
> > seem to recognize my keboard.
> >
> > Thanks - Jeff
> 
> I haven't tried a USB-only keyboard with linux, but...
> 
> Did you try enabling USB keyboard support in the BIOS?  I'm not sure
> what that does, but it may work...
> 
> Do you have a USB/pin-6 or whatever adapter for it?  Or does it have
> both a USB and pin-6 connections on the same cable?  Mine does, and I
> simultaneously plug in both ends so I have normal keyboard support and
> can use the built-in USB hub.
> 
> Otherwise, you may have to make your own boot disk with USB keyboard
> support if there aren't any currently available.
> 
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RE: rescue disk install

[Jeff Conder]

Thanks for the ideas Brian.

Luckily I had a 6 pin connector on the tower and another
keyboard. It got me up an installed - now the moment
of truth :o  I'm going to reboot and see if the system
works. I installed the USB keyboard driver.

btw - this is my first install.


Thanks

Jeff

-Original Message-
From: Brian Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 9:56 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: rescue disk install

On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 01:20:13AM -0600, Jeff Conder wrote:
> Has anyone installed potato on a system with a USB keyboard?
> I have a rescue and root disk, but when I'm asked to insert
> the root disk and press return, nothing happens. I put the
> root disk in but can't get the install to continue. It doesn't
> seem to recognize my keboard.
>
> Thanks - Jeff

I haven't tried a USB-only keyboard with linux, but...

Did you try enabling USB keyboard support in the BIOS?  I'm not sure
what that does, but it may work...

Do you have a USB/pin-6 or whatever adapter for it?  Or does it have
both a USB and pin-6 connections on the same cable?  Mine does, and I
simultaneously plug in both ends so I have normal keyboard support and
can use the built-in USB hub.

Otherwise, you may have to make your own boot disk with USB keyboard
support if there aren't any currently available.

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RE: rescue disk install

[Jeff Conder]

Thanks for the ideas Brian.

Luckily I had a 6 pin connector on the tower and another
keyboard. It got me up an installed - now the moment
of truth :o  I'm going to reboot and see if the system
works. I installed the USB keyboard driver.

btw - this is my first install.


Thanks

Jeff

-Original Message-
From: Brian Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 9:56 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: rescue disk install

On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 01:20:13AM -0600, Jeff Conder wrote:
> Has anyone installed potato on a system with a USB keyboard?
> I have a rescue and root disk, but when I'm asked to insert
> the root disk and press return, nothing happens. I put the
> root disk in but can't get the install to continue. It doesn't
> seem to recognize my keboard.
>
> Thanks - Jeff

I haven't tried a USB-only keyboard with linux, but...

Did you try enabling USB keyboard support in the BIOS?  I'm not sure
what that does, but it may work...

Do you have a USB/pin-6 or whatever adapter for it?  Or does it have
both a USB and pin-6 connections on the same cable?  Mine does, and I
simultaneously plug in both ends so I have normal keyboard support and
can use the built-in USB hub.

Otherwise, you may have to make your own boot disk with USB keyboard
support if there aren't any currently available.

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Re: rescue disk install

[Brian Nelson]

On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 01:20:13AM -0600, Jeff Conder wrote:
> Has anyone installed potato on a system with a USB keyboard?
> I have a rescue and root disk, but when I'm asked to insert
> the root disk and press return, nothing happens. I put the
> root disk in but can't get the install to continue. It doesn't
> seem to recognize my keboard.
> 
> Thanks - Jeff

I haven't tried a USB-only keyboard with linux, but...

Did you try enabling USB keyboard support in the BIOS?  I'm not sure
what that does, but it may work...

Do you have a USB/pin-6 or whatever adapter for it?  Or does it have
both a USB and pin-6 connections on the same cable?  Mine does, and I
simultaneously plug in both ends so I have normal keyboard support and
can use the built-in USB hub.

Otherwise, you may have to make your own boot disk with USB keyboard
support if there aren't any currently available.

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RE: rescue disk install

[Jeff Conder]

Has anyone installed potato on a system with a USB keyboard?
I have a rescue and root disk, but when I'm asked to insert
the root disk and press return, nothing happens. I put the
root disk in but can't get the install to continue. It doesn't
seem to recognize my keboard.

Thanks - Jeff

Re: rescue disk install

[Osamu Aoki]

Hi,

On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 09:17:40PM -0600, Jeff Conder wrote:
> Hi - I have not been able to get past the rescue disk install.

Which version potato/woody stable/testing?  I assume potato ;-)

> I've read and searched through the documents and haven't
> found anything that relates to what I perceive is the problem.
> 
> Any help on this would be appreciated:
> 
> My system is - 900MHz Athelon, 128M RAM, 60G IDE Hard
> drive, Adaptec SCSI PCI adapter, HP 10/100 Fast Ethernet
> PCI card, USB keyboard & mouse.

Nice.  I just installed potato to 486DX4 50MHz. (Here)

> I downloaded the i386 rescue binary for compact install
> and for basic install, same problems. Used rawrite2 to
> make a floppy. The floppy works fine, get the boot: prompt.

How about root and driver-? disks?

> I have tried normal boot (return), linux mem=128m, and
> linux mem=128m kbd-reset

That"s good but ... (W/o them can still boot with 64MB)

> My symptoms are - No major error messages, but can't
> stop the scroll. ATA keboard is not found during the
> process. I get to a prompt asking for the root disk
> to be inserted, then I'm suppose to press the ENTER
> key.

Only after you enter root disk into /dev/fd0

> But, my keyboard does not seem to work. I can't
> get past this point.
> 


See official install guide:
http://www.debian.org/doc/admin-manuals


Also this is helpful.
http://www.debian.org/doc/ddp

Also peek-into my experiences in my web page...  Good luck ;-)
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Re: rescue disk doesn't rescue me

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Werner Reisberger wrote:

> I am using Debian 2.0r4 and trying to boot my brand new PC since 4 days
> with several rescue disks I prepared with dd on my good old Linux PC.
> 
> I even tried to boot with a self prepared root.bin disk but a reader
> of this list told me that I don't need to do this with a fairly new dist
> (yes I have a 1.44 floppy drive).
> 
> The following happens when I insert the rescue disk in my brand new PC
> pressing enter at the boot prompt:
> 
> It recognizes the hardware (including the SCSI controller and the SCSI
> disk) but at the end it issues the following:
> 
> Partition check:
>  sda:Dev 08:00 Sun disklabel: bad magic 
>  unknown partition table
> 
>  # this line is probably caused because my HD is completely untouched

This is probably a bad advice :-), but anyway:

I would try to boot from a MS-DOS floppy and then try to fdisk
the disk from DOS first (only to have a consistent partition table).

> RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
> VFS: Mounted root (minix filesystem)
> # until now it's looks good but the
> boot process hangs at this stage

This seems a bug in the Linux kernel.

As a workaround you could replace the "linux" file in the boot
floppy by a custom made one, by using the good old Linux PC.

Re: Rescue disk woe; floppy is OK !?

[Kent West]

At 10:04 AM 2/24/1999 -0600, Brendel, Rob wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to install debian's stable linux distribution from floppies on
>> an old 486 machine.  But it always stalls at the installation of the
>> kernel.  I'm prompted to insert the Rescue disk, but the system doesn't
>> recognize it.  I've tried many different disks from different machines,
>> but they all hang the same way at the same point.  I can boot from all of
>> them fine to start
>> the installation, but they _all_ hang at the kernel installation step.
>> 
>> I create the rescue disk using rawrite2.exe with this command:
>> rawrite2 -f resc1440.bin -d a:
>> 
>> This is the 'Rescue Disk', right?  From DOS I can list the files created,
>> among them:
>> 
>> ldlinux.sys
>> linux
>> root.bin
>> debian.txt
>> syslinux.cfg
>> rdev.sh
>> install.sh
>> 
>> Am I doing something wrong here?  Is this not the Rescue Disk?  If I'm
>> doing this right, any ideas about why I always hang at the same point?

Yes, this is the rescue disk. It sounds like you've tried different
physical floppies, but in case I'm misreading the info above and you're
using the same floppy, try a different one (and then another, and then
another); floppies are notorious for causing problems during a Debian install.

Another option might be to try some of the optional boot images, such as
the Tecra disks. As a general rule, the Tecra images aren't needed on
desktop PCs, but you might give it a try. I'm sure others on this list can
give you more and better suggestions than I have. 

>> Here are some questions for down the road, assuming I can get past this
>> problem:
>> 
>> My DOS partition is still my boot.  How do I switch to Linux from DOS? Do
>> I always have to boot in with the rescue disk?

You can:
 1) set up LILO to give you a multi-boot configuration
 2) if you have a recent DOS (5? 6.x), you can set up a multi-boot
configuration with the [menu]-type commands in config.sys in conjunction
with loadlin
 3) use loadlin to manually start Linux from a DOS prompt
 4) use a Linux boot disk; this is the method I'd start with, and then
"graduate" up to one of the other methods.


>> Any suggestions on installing the packages when the only way I can get
>> files onto this thing is on floppies?  I'll ftp them onto another machine
>> (WinNT); then do I rawrite2.exe each one onto floppies?  Or can I just
>> WinZIP them across several ones, or gz/tar under NT, or what?  I'm not
>> sure how I'll proceed here, so I have all these pre-newbie questions.  My
>> goal is just to use the machine for lyx, so I guess I'll need Xwindow and
>> lyx, and not much more.

Sorry; I can't speak to this. However, if you'll put a modem in it (even a
slow one), you can ftp the rest of the install to it pretty easily (but
slow means overnight for three or four nights probably, whereas fast means
half a night).

>Is there a resource similar to the install.txt for what to do once Linux is
>up and running, that might answer these types of questions?
>
>> Thanks for any help,
>> Rob Brendel

Re: Rescue disk fails for initial installation

[Branden Robinson]

On Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 06:15:28PM -0500, Bucky Pope wrote:
> I have an old IBM PC that I'm trying to install from diskettes (no CD
> drive).  When I boot the rescue disk (most recent on the web) and hit
> enter, I get the following message:

Uh, it does have an 80386 or later processor, right?

Linux absolutely, positively will not work on 8086, 8088, 80186, 80286, NEC
V20, etc.

Just checking the obvious possibilities first.  :)

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Re: Rescue disk fails for initial installation

[Robert J. Alexander]

This might not be the easiest way but ...

Try downloading tom's root/boot diskette (www.toms.net/rb) and see if
the box will IPL from it. 

If it does follow the instrucctions in the append I just made to the
list ...

Good luck. Bob

Bucky Pope wrote:
> 
> I have an old IBM PC that I'm trying to install from diskettes (no CD
> drive).  When I boot the rescue disk (most recent on the web) and hit
> enter, I get the following message:
> 
> Loading root.bin...
> 
> The boot process then hangs with the diskette light on solid, does not
> repond to c-t-a.  I've tried commands like Linux hd=...
> but that doesn't change anything since it's failing on the initail load.
> 
> Is there some way to track the events of the load process to see where
> it is hanging.
> 
> I've played around with several BIOS setting, changed hdisks, but no
> luck.  The same rescue disk works on a new PC (not the one I want to
> convert to Linux.).
> 
> -bucky pope
> 
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Re: Rescue disk creation

[Jiri Baum]

Hello,
> p.s.  On boot from the hard drive I get
> FA:
> 
> someone else posted something similar

Yes - if memory serves, the answer was that it's a prompt with the options
[F]loppy and list-[A]ll. Numbers (1,2 etc) denote HD partitions.


Hope that's right...

Jiri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: RESCUE DISK |& X ICONS

[Daniel Martin]

"BOB'S MAIL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 2.  How do I install incons for applications in X  -- or set a desk top
> etc.?

You need to install a window manager other than the basic twm which
comes with X.  I'd recommend fvwm2 or fvwm95 for people just starting
out.  You can customize these relatively easily and they come with
loads of icons.

Re: RESCUE DISK |& X ICONS

[Jack Kern]

On Sun, Sep 27, 1998 at 11:29:37PM -0700, BOB'S MAIL wrote:
> 1.  How do I create a floppy Rescue Disk from a recently installed Debian
> 2.0 system?

You need the file "resc1440.bin" from your cd or ftp site.  Place a new
formatted diskette in your floppy drive.  Then do

dd if=resc1440.bin of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 conv=sync ; sync

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Re: Rescue Disk

[shaul]

I think that in most cases simply dd the approptaite file will do.

dd if=resc1440.bin of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 conv=sync ; sync 

> Can anyone tell me the correct procedure for creating a rescue disk after
> installation.
> I had a problem with my floppy during the install and it could not create
> one, now
> the floppy is fixed and I would like to make one. Thanks in advance.

Re: rescue disk with Linux 2.0.35

[Christophe Broult]

Christophe Broult <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hello,
> 
> Is there a version of the rescue disk with Linux 2.0.35?

I've found how I could version 2.0.35 after reading section ``8.3
Replacing the Kernel'' http://www.debian.org/2.0/install.html:-(

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Re: Rescue disk is SLOW to load

[Mike Roberts]

> On 26 Aug, Mike Roberts wrote:
> > I and a friend both have the same problem on our older 386 machines -
> > the resue disk for hamm takes about 15 to 20 minutes to load the root
> > filesystem and the kernel image.  These same floppies work just fine
> > on newer systems.  We've both already completed the installs, but why
> > does it take so long?  Granted, the processors are slower, but we
> > didn't see this problem with 1.3.
> > 
> 
> Which rescue disk?  Are you using "resc1440-fast.bin" or
> "resc1440.bin"?  The "resc1440.bin" is known to be atrociously slow,
> but safe.  "resc1440-fast.bin" is *much* faster at loading.

Well, the only rescue disk that was there when I made it.  I see now
there are two versions.

Thanks,
Mike

Re: Rescue disk is SLOW to load

[stephen . p . ryan]

On 26 Aug, Mike Roberts wrote:
> I and a friend both have the same problem on our older 386 machines -
> the resue disk for hamm takes about 15 to 20 minutes to load the root
> filesystem and the kernel image.  These same floppies work just fine
> on newer systems.  We've both already completed the installs, but why
> does it take so long?  Granted, the processors are slower, but we
> didn't see this problem with 1.3.
> 

Which rescue disk?  Are you using "resc1440-fast.bin" or
"resc1440.bin"?  The "resc1440.bin" is known to be atrociously slow,
but safe.  "resc1440-fast.bin" is *much* faster at loading.
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Re: Rescue disk hurts my ethernet card

[Nathan E Norman]

On Sat, 14 Jun 1997, Hamish Moffatt wrote:

:On Thu, Jun 12, 1997 at 04:39:53PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:> When I rebooted to linux I noticed several network error 
[snip]
:> configuration tool (grrr...). The second case (1.2, Apr 97)
:
:> Am I the only one with such an expirience? I should add that I
:
:Interesting. I've got quite a few NE2000s and haven't had them
:lose their configuration, but I have had quite a few (about
:three now) die completely. I'm currently using an WD 8013 in my
:PC, which on a couple of occasions has had invalid PROM
:states; the DOS driver won't load, and I haven't had the
:EtherEZ stuff on hand to reconfigure it. Usually, I boot
:Linux and Linux revives it.
:
:8013 seems to be quite a good card. Better than the NE2000's
:I've got. And I bought it for $1.50 Australian out of a junk
:basket at a local electronics store; marked "no drivers."
:Better than the $40 NE2000s. I also bought (for $5) a big
:VLB IDE/IO/SCSI card (Adaptec 1520 based), also "no drivers."

I've had a lot of good luck with SMC 8013s.  I also like the 3Com
Etherlink IIIs, but they're hard to find cheap.  I ran into about 15
8013s that someone was throwing away since they'd upgraded to PCI cards
... not a bad price for me :)  At $1.50 they're a great deal ... I also
like the two hardware jumpers on the SMC versions for troubleshooting.

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Re: Rescue disk hurts my ethernet card

[jghasler]

Joost writes:
> I think that it is however possible to fry hardware with linux: while
> trying 1.3 I inserted a wrong module for the cdrom interface and it fried
> the cdrom drive.

IMHO anything that can be truly "fried" in this way (that is, physically
damaged) is broken as designed.

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Re: Rescue disk hurts my ethernet card

[J.P.D. Kooij]

On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
> 
> > fit in the kernel. If you can tell me about the I/O ports of your network
> > card we can give you magic words to put on the boot command line for that
> > device that reserve its ports and prevent other drivers from touching them.
> 
> Fraid the reserve boot command did not help this problem, it's EEProm IO
> ports may not have been in the region I had the card set to or one of the
> drivers may be ill behaved. 

I've struggled with some software configurable isa ne2k's. They appeared
to function quite nicely with linux, but win95's autoprobing had severe
difficulties with the cards. The dos configuration utility would let me 
change io and irq settings just fine, I could also write them to the 
"register" but not to the card's eeprom, giving me an error in the 
card's own setup utility.

The problem appeared to be that the cards used a different combination of irq
and io for configuration and actual operation. It listened only half the
time to the operation addresses and the configuration addresses were
conflicting with other hardware. 

This kept me stumped for quite a while and until I figured it out I too
had long bought pci cards (which also gave some trouble .) 

This was the solution in my case:  
-on the motherboard bios setup, disable com2:, freeing irq 3. 
-with the dos utility, set the io and irq to what the card uses to 
receive programming data.
-then set it to what would suit the computer's available interrupts and 
io addresses. Don't forget to write the settings to the card's eeprom.

In your case, the conflicts may ofcourse be a little bit harder to 
resolve before you can access the card again. Maybe it doesn't work 
altogether on your card. Maybe it's really burnt. You can always try.

>I've long since gotten rid of it, now have a RealTek PCI NE2k. 

Hmmm, I bought winbonds. They don't work without a patch. It would be 
great if this patch would make it to the next bootfloppy, or even better 
- 2.0.31. Until then, I have to make my own rescue-floppy kernels.

> I heard of two fried network cards, one was mine and one was a friends,
> both D-Link DE-250's and both fried by booting the rescue disk. My other
> De-250 just got disabled during linux's boot, had a bit of a time figuring
> out why Linux didn't want to use my card till I figured it out.

Please check my solution if that may help you, if the reprogrammed io and 
irq aren't too outrageous there may still be hope. 

I think that it is however possible to fry hardware with linux: while
trying 1.3 I inserted a wrong module for the cdrom interface and it fried
the cdrom drive. 

Good luck,


Joost


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Re: Rescue disk hurts my ethernet card

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Thu, Jun 12, 1997 at 04:39:53PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> When I rebooted to linux I noticed several network error 
> messages, and ping showed "Network is unreachable".
> Apparently the rescue disk had confused my WD8013 ethernet
> card. Then I booted do DOS -- and it complety hang after
> probing the ethernet card: "WD80x3 adress PROM contents are
> invalid". I did a hard reset, and, look, my ethernet card
> automagically awoke from paralyzation -- what the hell had
> happened?
> 
> I remember that I had similar problems with two cheapo NE2000
> clones after installing Debian the first time. One (Debian 1.1,
> Dec 96) came back to life after consulting the DOS 
> configuration tool (grrr...). The second case (1.2, Apr 97)

> Am I the only one with such an expirience? I should add that I

Interesting. I've got quite a few NE2000s and haven't had them
lose their configuration, but I have had quite a few (about
three now) die completely. I'm currently using an WD 8013 in my
PC, which on a couple of occasions has had invalid PROM
states; the DOS driver won't load, and I haven't had the
EtherEZ stuff on hand to reconfigure it. Usually, I boot
Linux and Linux revives it.

8013 seems to be quite a good card. Better than the NE2000's
I've got. And I bought it for $1.50 Australian out of a junk
basket at a local electronics store; marked "no drivers."
Better than the $40 NE2000s. I also bought (for $5) a big
VLB IDE/IO/SCSI card (Adaptec 1520 based), also "no drivers."


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Re: Rescue disk hurts my ethernet card

[Bruce Perens]

The EEPROM getting scrambled is a result of drivers probing for devices
on the bus that don't happen to be there, and hitting the network card
instead. This happens more with the rescue disk than with a custom kernel
because the rescue disk is built for every scsi and ethernet card we could
fit in the kernel. If you can tell me about the I/O ports of your network
card we can give you magic words to put on the boot command line for that
device that reserve its ports and prevent other drivers from touching them.

This isn't strictly a Debian problem - it'll happen to any generic kernel
with all of the device drivers built in. Also, well-designed hardware wants
you to say the exact right magic words before it makes its EEPROM writable.
It doesn't write it for just any random I/O. I'd suggest that others stay
away from net cards that exhibit this behavior.

Thanks

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Re: Rescue disk hurts my ethernet card

[Jason Gunthorpe]

On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:

> The EEPROM getting scrambled is a result of drivers probing for devices
> on the bus that don't happen to be there, and hitting the network card
> instead. This happens more with the rescue disk than with a custom kernel
> because the rescue disk is built for every scsi and ethernet card we could
> fit in the kernel. If you can tell me about the I/O ports of your network
> card we can give you magic words to put on the boot command line for that
> device that reserve its ports and prevent other drivers from touching them.

Fraid the reserve boot command did not help this problem, it's EEProm IO
ports may not have been in the region I had the card set to or one of the
drivers may be ill behaved. I've long since gotten rid of it, now have a
RealTek PCI NE2k. 

I heard of two fried network cards, one was mine and one was a friends,
both D-Link DE-250's and both fried by booting the rescue disk. My other
De-250 just got disabled during linux's boot, had a bit of a time figuring
out why Linux didn't want to use my card till I figured it out.

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Re: Rescue disk hurts my ethernet card

[Jason Gunthorpe]

On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Lee Bradshaw wrote:

> I had a similar problem with tcpdump.  After I saw it referenced in a
> message here I decided to see what kind of info it would print out.  The
> info on my card (3C509) looked correct, but after running tcpdump, I
> couldn't connect to any other machines.  The light on my hub indicated
> the card wasn't alive.  Rebooting in win95 :^( and then back into debian
> fixed the problem.

While we are lamenting about the rescue disk nuking ethernet cards,
I had a DLink-250 that the rescue disk would disable (changed the EEPROM
somehow). I forget the exact details but I do know that during boot Linux 
can FRY (permantly harm) those DE-250 cards, it damages the eeprom in some
way that the setup programs will not rewrite it.

I forget what I did to fix it, I think I moved the base address.

Jason


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Re: Rescue disk hurts my ethernet card

[Lee Bradshaw]

I had a similar problem with tcpdump.  After I saw it referenced in a
message here I decided to see what kind of info it would print out.  The
info on my card (3C509) looked correct, but after running tcpdump, I
couldn't connect to any other machines.  The light on my hub indicated
the card wasn't alive.  Rebooting in win95 :^( and then back into debian
fixed the problem.

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Re: rescue disk fails booting, cannot install ..

[Stelios Parnassidis]

> 
> So the solution for me would be the download the compressed root image
> of the rescue disk and rebuild a rescue disk using a kernel of my own.
> 

In reply to my own question above:

Thanks to a message of

> From: Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Writing to a boot floppy.

> If you mount the boot floppy that you created when you installed your
> system (-t msdos) you will see that it contains various files. The file
> named linux on the floppy is the kernel image file. When you rebuild your
> kernel, you will find the new image file in linux/arch/i386/boot/zImage,


I had not realized that the rescue disk has an msdos filesystem, so everything
i need should be now clear. I should only have to put my own kernel on the
floppy and go on. Sorry for the Bandwidth,

cheers,
stelios

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Re: Rescue Disk (was Password)

[Chuma Agbodike]

> 
> I'm sorry to hear you didn't get it to work on the first try.  After
> receiving your message, I went ahead and manufactured the floppy on my
> (Debian) system.  Here's how I did it.
> 
> First, I noticed that superformat is already installed on my system.
> I think it's part of the default Debian installation.
> 
> Second, I noticed that the /dev file for the 1743K floppy drive
> already exists on the system, but under a different name!  In the
> readme for CatRescue, it is referred to as /dev/fd0H1743 but on my
> system it is /dev/fd0u1743.
> 
> Third, I formatted a blank floppy using the command
>superformat -s21 -t83 /dev/fd0
> 
> Fourth, I ran the following command from the top of the CatRescue101E
> source tree:
> zcat image.gz | dd bs=1024 of=/dev/fd0u1743
> 
> Note the lowercase 'u' instead of the uppercase 'H' in the device file
> name.
> 
> My advice: try the installation again -- this product is worth the
> effort :-)
> 

Thanks Nathan. I did everything you recommended. Still no go.
I will assume now that my floppy drive cannot handle non standard
format. I can rawrite to it and make new INSTALL BOOT and ROOT disks.

The floppy diskette still gave me errors. And when I tried to boot
from it anyway, just to see. I get:

LILO CatRescue
Error 0x04
LILO CatRescue
Error 0x04

Until I reset the system via the  push button.

I really appreciate your assistance.

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Re: Rescue Disk (was Password)

[Chuma Agbodike]

Nathan L. Cutler wrote:
> 
> > "Chuma" == Chuma Agbodike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Chuma> But HOW does one make RESCUE disk properly. Mine surely
> Chuma> didn't rescue me!
> 
>
> 
> If you know how to do Archie searches, try searching for an exact
> match of CatRescue101E.tgz, perhaps it will turn up an ftp site near
> you.
> 
> --
Thanks Nathan, I just did a search and downloaded it.

Speaking of ARCHIE servers, which are the ones that get HITs frequently?
The one I use is FTP SEARCH at Trondheim, Norway. Most of it's hits
are in Europe. Much as am happy to find what am looking for, some of the
sites can be rather slow. I once had no choice but download an 8 meg
postscript file at 700bps, with a 28.8K modem even though I was careful
to get in at a time I thought traffic would be low (2 am sunday central
european time).
I pulled in this Rescue program from umc.edu at 2.6K bps Decent!

Best regards

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Re: rescue disk set

[Clemmitt Sigler]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clemmitt Sigler)
Subject: Re: rescue disk set
Newsgroups: linux.debian.user
Distribution: world
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Organization:
Keywords: linux,fsck,hard,drive

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Brian C. White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|> > Last night, my aging micropolis 1.5 gig drive decided to scramble itself.
|> > "Self," I think, "Just boot up off the boot and root disks, and fsck the
|> > root partition back into order."
[snip]
|> > Found that the root inode is gone due to sectors
|> > 0,1,2, and 3 being NFG.. time to re-lowlevel and pray...
|>
|> I was just thinking the same the other day.
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I recently had the same problem -- my Linux root partition on my hard
drive went wonkers while I was running Linux.  I did a whereis to try
to find some binary, but it never returned.  I couldn't start an xterm.
I went to the text consoles, but I couldn't log on.  Everything just
hung.  The "three finger salute" didn't work, either.  I had no choice
but to push the reset button.

Linux wouldn't boot.  My rescue package has fsck, so I fsck'ed the
partition.  First time it had alot of errors, second time I think just 3.
Now there's still one error I can't get rid of.  When I try to boot from
the root partition, some process that tries to start dies, and then the
kernel(?) keeps on trying to start it, giving an infinite loop (PID number
of this process keeps incrementing, it keeps on dying).  Right now I
forget the error message from fsck, I'll post it if you need it to give me
some pertinent info.

A knowledgeable sys admin friend of mine says I have a bad sector and
I need to run some other recovery Linux recovery tool to fix and recover
from this.  He says there is a tool like this for Ultrix, for
example.  Anyone know what I need to run/do?  Sorry for my general
ignorance.

Many TIA.  I know this isn't the right group, but I saw the opportunity
and seized it.

Clemmitt Sigler
Va. Tech Physics Dept.
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Re: rescue disk set

[Christian Schwarz]

I was looking for a rescue disk, too. I posted to debian-devel list a few
weeks ago. The answers were that none exists, so far.

My problems was that I need a tar (gnu tar would be good) to be able to
restore my backups (if I should need that some time). I got the answer
that the root disk contains a "star" program that extracts tar archives it
gets via stdin.

But I also think that a _real_ rescue disk would be fine. I had one some
time ago for Slackware. Nice was that it also contained the manual pages
for important programs as mke2fs, tar, etc. 

And some version of vi would be fine to have on the disk, too, since I
don't like ae very much.

I would like to have it work with the standard Debian boot disks. I don't
think this is a problem. If space is enough we could use this as the
"only" ramdrive that is loaded after the boot disk. If that's too much for
a single disk we could build something that is mountet on the standard
root disk tree. The old Slackware rescue disk used a gzipped filesystem (I
think via zfs but this should be obsolete now) and had the kernel on the
disk too. This was nice since one needed only one disk. Perhaps we could
create a fs that's 2880k (those who have only 4mb ram would need two
disks, propably).

As Brian suggested, it would be nice if this would be done by the
root/boot disk maintainer. AFAIK this is Bruce Perens but he wants
to pass maintaince to someone else. 

Cheers,

Chris
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Re: rescue disk set

[Brian C. White]

> Last night, my aging micropolis 1.5 gig drive decided to scramble itself.
> "Self," I think, "Just boot up off the boot and root disks, and fsck the
> root partition back into order." A noble thought, but to my utter dismay,
> I found out that the boot/root set doesn *not* have fsck on it! Does
> anyone have a rescue-type boot set that can be incorporated into
> the Debian distribution? I actually had to install the base floppy
> set onto a little used partition on another drive, and then boot
> off that to get fsck. Found that the root inode is gone due to sectors
> 0,1,2, and 3 being NFG.. time to re-lowlevel and pray...

I was just thinking the same the other day.  I have some scripts that
created a 3-disk set (boot, root, & utils) to do just this, but they
were from when I originally installed Debian 0.93 and I'm _sure_ they
would die by the 3rd line, now.

Between the root & utils disk, I had tar, gzip, fsck, tcsh (yes, I like
my csh), mke2fs, and all the useful stuff with libs I could cram on 2 disks.

I would be happy to provide them if anyone wants to undertake such a
responsibility.  They need work to convert them for use with shared
libs to make sure all necessary shared libs also got copied to disk.

I'd have to say, though, that this ties quite closely with building base
disks and would probably be best for that maintainer to take over.
 
  Brian
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