Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
On 23 Feb at 18:10 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 02/23/08 10:09, Chuck Rhode wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote this on Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 11:02:24AM -0500. My reply is below. Perhaps I can get away without the VT520 if I can tell unix to use the printer as the console output and a USB keyboard as the console input. You might be able to find a DecWriter in working condition. An LA36 would be bitchin' cool. The only Linux machine in the world with a TTY console... I had an LA36 for years. It was working fine, with a long serial cable to my computer; but I was told to remove it from the spare bedroom as it was cluttering up the place. So I tried to sell it, or even give it away. This was about 10 years ago, pre-ebay. I eventually took it down to the Council tip, or recycling centre, as it is now known. Bet it went into landfill... In my latest tidying up, last month, I found the schematics and some spare ribbons. More recycling :( -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA (Women are) like compilers. They take simple statements and make them into big productions. Pitr Dubovitch Hey Ron, I hope I' not teaching granny to suck eggs, but the standard sig-sep is dash-dash-space-newline, so unless you're so proud of your sig that you want it quoted back to you... Cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Buckinghamshire, England -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Signatures (was Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/24/08 07:03, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 23 Feb at 18:10 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA (Women are) like compilers. They take simple statements and make them into big productions. Pitr Dubovitch Hey Ron, I hope I' not teaching granny to suck eggs, but the standard sig-sep is dash-dash-space-newline, so unless you're so proud of your sig that you want it quoted back to you... I've got a window print showing that the signature is placed correctly. Will privately send it to you, if you want. Maybe Gemini just isn't up to snuff in handling signed documents. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA (Women are) like compilers. They take simple statements and make them into big productions. Pitr Dubovitch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHwYJ7S9HxQb37XmcRAn+PAJ4vVgj79YjihNJ3EIGPF5gSENW1SQCg1l8S 0eLf5rzy8mkBFut6gceZITg= =Pivu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Signatures (was Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?)
On 24 Feb at 14:43 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 02/24/08 07:03, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 23 Feb at 18:10 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA (Women are) like compilers. They take simple statements and make them into big productions. Pitr Dubovitch Hey Ron, I hope I' not teaching granny to suck eggs, but the standard sig-sep is dash-dash-space-newline, so unless you're so proud of your sig that you want it quoted back to you... I've got a window print showing that the signature is placed correctly. Will privately send it to you, if you want. No, Ron, I'm not the net-police; I don't need evidence; just thought I was being helpful :) Maybe Gemini just isn't up to snuff in handling signed documents. [snip] Maybe, but it's not had trouble before. I'd raise it with the developer, but I wouldn't know precisely what the complaint would be. More likely it's the list server doing something odd. This is the raw source of what I'm receiving: - Maybe Gemini just isn't up to snuff in handling signed documents. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA - I don't think the extra dash is a result of signing. But it doesn't bother me to snip a bit when replying to your posts :) Cheers, -- Tony van der Hoff| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Buckinghamshire, England -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Signatures (was Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/24/08 09:04, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 24 Feb at 14:43 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 02/24/08 07:03, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 23 Feb at 18:10 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA (Women are) like compilers. They take simple statements and make them into big productions. Pitr Dubovitch Hey Ron, I hope I' not teaching granny to suck eggs, but the standard sig-sep is dash-dash-space-newline, so unless you're so proud of your sig that you want it quoted back to you... I've got a window print showing that the signature is placed correctly. Will privately send it to you, if you want. No, Ron, I'm not the net-police; I don't need evidence; just thought I was being helpful :) I know. If I seemed harsh, it was definitely unintentional. Maybe Gemini just isn't up to snuff in handling signed documents. [snip] Maybe, but it's not had trouble before. I'd raise it with the developer, but I wouldn't know precisely what the complaint would be. More likely it's the list server doing something odd. This is the raw source of what I'm receiving: - Maybe Gemini just isn't up to snuff in handling signed documents. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA - I don't think the extra dash is a result of signing. But it doesn't bother me to snip a bit when replying to your posts :) I think it is a side-effect of signing, because when I look at Reply emails that I have *not* signed, they do *not* have the added ^- . So, I'd take one of these emails and show it to the Gemini developers. Who knows, maybe they'll blame it on Tbird not following the relevant RFCs... - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA (Women are) like compilers. They take simple statements and make them into big productions. Pitr Dubovitch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHwbhpS9HxQb37XmcRAqnTAJsHVDFhNr6vVOlCocFP6iZjA4kn0QCdFIMJ xeGskthW+o1R+3DdrvcTfmc= =2bFx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Signatures (was Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?)
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is a side-effect of signing, because when I look at Reply emails that I have *not* signed, they do *not* have the added ^- . So, I'd take one of these emails and show it to the Gemini developers. Who knows, maybe they'll blame it on Tbird not following the relevant RFCs... I think it's an enigmail issue. They list this as an advanced option: '--' is a signature separator: when signing, lines starting with '-' are replaced with '- -' by GnuPG according to the OpenPGP standard. This however makes the lines no longer appear as separator between the messsage body and a signature, which is normally displayed in grey. By enabling this option, enigmail enables some workarounds when reading and composing messages to treat such lines correctly. This confuses gmail's little mind, as well, but that shouldn't necessarily surprise us. -- Michael A. Marsh http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~mmarsh http://mamarsh.blogspot.com http://36pints.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Signatures (was Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?)
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 12:33:14 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/24/08 09:04, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 24 Feb at 14:43 Ron Johnson wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 02/24/08 07:03, Tony van der Hoff wrote: [...] Hey Ron, I hope I' not teaching granny to suck eggs, but the standard sig-sep is dash-dash-space-newline, so unless you're so proud of your sig that you want it quoted back to you... [...] Maybe Gemini just isn't up to snuff in handling signed documents. [snip] Maybe, but it's not had trouble before. I'd raise it with the developer, but I wouldn't know precisely what the complaint would be. More likely it's the list server doing something odd. This is the raw source of what I'm receiving: - Maybe Gemini just isn't up to snuff in handling signed documents. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA - I don't think the extra dash is a result of signing. But it doesn't bother me to snip a bit when replying to your posts :) I think it is a side-effect of signing, because when I look at Reply emails that I have *not* signed, they do *not* have the added ^- . So, I'd take one of these emails and show it to the Gemini developers. Who knows, maybe they'll blame it on Tbird not following the relevant RFCs... It seems to me that it is an inherent problem with inline signing: Google for pgp dash escaping or pgp trailing whitespace or something like that. When I get your messages, I also see the mutilated sig dash - -- until I tell mutt to verify your signature. As part of the verification process the leading - is removed, so it appears to be some sort of escape sequence. I see the same behavior if I save the raw message to disk and run gpg manually on it. However, this does not restore the proper signature separator because the trailing space remains missing. I found that I can add trailing spaces on any line of your message and it still validates, so there appears to be a convention to strip off trailing whitespace before checking the validity of the signature. (I have not read the relevant RFCs, but my guess would be that this is done to accommodate for the mangling of line endings that might happen with various MUAs on different operating systems.) This seems to make it impossible to have the proper dash-dash-space signature delimiter in an inline-signed message, unless there is a special escape sequence for that. (If there is indeed one then Thunderbird does not seem to know anything about it.) I think this is one of the reasons why inline signatures have been depreciated for quite a while; why not use PGP/MIME detached signatures instead? -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Signatures (was Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/24/08 13:07, Florian Kulzer wrote: [snip] It seems to me that it is an inherent problem with inline signing: Google for pgp dash escaping or pgp trailing whitespace or something like that. When I get your messages, I also see the mutilated sig dash - -- until I tell mutt to verify your signature. As part of the verification process the leading - is removed, so it appears to be some sort of escape sequence. I see the same behavior if I save the raw message to disk and run gpg manually on it. However, this does not restore the proper signature separator because the trailing space remains missing. I found that I can add trailing spaces on any line of your message and it still validates, so there appears to be a convention to strip off trailing whitespace before checking the validity of the signature. (I have not read the relevant RFCs, but my guess would be that this is done to accommodate for the mangling of line endings that might happen with various MUAs on different operating systems.) This seems to make it impossible to have the proper dash-dash-space signature delimiter in an inline-signed message, unless there is a special escape sequence for that. (If there is indeed one then Thunderbird does not seem to know anything about it.) I think this is one of the reasons why inline signatures have been depreciated for quite a while; why not use PGP/MIME detached signatures instead? Interesting. I'll research that. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA (Women are) like compilers. They take simple statements and make them into big productions. Pitr Dubovitch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHwew/S9HxQb37XmcRAliYAKDsiAHojC/nSi3ldSTi6TKcsb6JggCgzn5F bIRpLzU+nVnlpsL/iE4w+NE= =J6St -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Signatures (was Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?)
Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/24/08 13:07, Florian Kulzer wrote: It seems to me that it is an inherent problem with inline signing: Google for pgp dash escaping or pgp trailing whitespace or something like that. [ snippage ] Interesting. I'll research that. Yup, it's the inline signing. It's because of how PGP originally signed things. The block delimiters are -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-, -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- and -END PGP SIGNATURE-. As you can see, every single one of then starts with 5 dashes. For some reason the sig delimiter, which predates PGP, causes problems so any like that starts with a dash gets the first dash changed to - -. Much like mbox prepends a to any line that starts with From. Generally speaking the best way to get around all that is to multipart sign. The body and signature are separate MIME parts. Since MIME was designed to deal with encapsulating stuff like this and not interfere with its delimiters the original text is untouched. I can only think of two clients that can't deal with multipart signed messages. One hasn't been updated in almost 10 years and the other would rarely be used here. ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
Douglas A. Tutty wrote this on Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 11:02:24AM -0500. My reply is below. Perhaps I can get away without the VT520 if I can tell unix to use the printer as the console output and a USB keyboard as the console input. You might be able to find a DecWriter in working condition. -- .. Chuck Rhode, Sheboygan, WI, USA .. Weather: http://LacusVeris.com/WX .. 19° — Wind W 8 mph -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/23/08 10:09, Chuck Rhode wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote this on Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 11:02:24AM -0500. My reply is below. Perhaps I can get away without the VT520 if I can tell unix to use the printer as the console output and a USB keyboard as the console input. You might be able to find a DecWriter in working condition. An LA36 would be bitchin' cool. The only Linux machine in the world with a TTY console... - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA (Women are) like compilers. They take simple statements and make them into big productions. Pitr Dubovitch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHwGGoS9HxQb37XmcRAs8sAKDPNL1NZ7ILkOy8FbR83nixAMn7VgCgzpwv tFUSHRas9PiVDHvfU3Luqn0= =Yc8z -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
* Chuck Rhode [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080223 10:42]: Douglas A. Tutty wrote this on Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 11:02:24AM -0500. My reply is below. Perhaps I can get away without the VT520 if I can tell unix to use the printer as the console output and a USB keyboard as the console input. You might be able to find a DecWriter in working condition. This is going to be fun to watch. As soon as there is a pause, the head of the Decwriter automatically slides about an inch to the side, in order for the last characters typed to be visible. This means that, if you are looking at the paper, you often are not quite sure where the next character is going to be placed. Be advised that the Decwriter uses tractor feed paper exclusively. I do not recall whether the Decwriter has a clutch on the paper drive sprocket. RLH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 12:10:49PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/23/08 10:09, Chuck Rhode wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote this on Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 11:02:24AM -0500. My reply is below. Perhaps I can get away without the VT520 if I can tell unix to use the printer as the console output and a USB keyboard as the console input. You might be able to find a DecWriter in working condition. An LA36 would be bitchin' cool. The only Linux machine in the world with a TTY console... I remember back in the 70's, the non-profit my mom helped found. The Director's son set up the computer system and it used an IBM selectric as the keyboard. Normal output went to a TV (16 x 16 display) and it would print back to the selectric (e.g. printing out mailing lables). A flick of a switch would make the selectric a normal typewriter again for correspondance. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/23/08 16:32, Russell L. Harris wrote: * Chuck Rhode [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080223 10:42]: Douglas A. Tutty wrote this on Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 11:02:24AM -0500. My reply is below. Perhaps I can get away without the VT520 if I can tell unix to use the printer as the console output and a USB keyboard as the console input. You might be able to find a DecWriter in working condition. This is going to be fun to watch. As soon as there is a pause, the head of the Decwriter automatically slides about an inch to the side, in order for the last characters typed to be visible. This means that, if you are looking at the paper, you often are not quite sure where the next character is going to be placed. Be advised that the Decwriter uses tractor feed paper exclusively. I do not recall whether the Decwriter has a clutch on the paper drive sprocket. Viva VMS!!! Long live PDP!!! - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA (Women are) like compilers. They take simple statements and make them into big productions. Pitr Dubovitch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHwNBgS9HxQb37XmcRAjJIAJ9eBKlZPzP/PNSehu9kspg7tVQbrwCeICOd deo32s3lqcqmgKtxxNO+6ts= =E4Wt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
On 22 Feb at 5:08 H.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chuck Rhode wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote this on Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:39:30PM -0500. My reply is below. It would appear that there isn't. Employment applications piss me off. Every employer's is unique. Every employer's was designed on a Mac and saved as a *.pdf. Employers care nothing for attaching a blank application to an eMail without a thought as to how you're supposed to get it back to them. There ought'a be an ANSI Standard! And then there are the employers who think the only word processor in the world is MS Office and that every human being with a computer has it. Further, they have this unwritten 'law' that all documents must be sent in 'doc' format. I know a few who are totally lost if they are sent a PDF document and reply back to send the document in doc format since the one I sent was not opened by their computer. And these people have a job! [snip] But would you want to work for such a company? -- Tony van der Hoff| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Buckinghamshire, England -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/22/08 03:06, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 22 Feb at 5:08 H.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chuck Rhode wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote this on Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:39:30PM -0500. My reply is below. It would appear that there isn't. Employment applications piss me off. Every employer's is unique. Every employer's was designed on a Mac and saved as a *.pdf. Employers care nothing for attaching a blank application to an eMail without a thought as to how you're supposed to get it back to them. There ought'a be an ANSI Standard! And then there are the employers who think the only word processor in the world is MS Office and that every human being with a computer has it. Further, they have this unwritten 'law' that all documents must be sent in 'doc' format. I know a few who are totally lost if they are sent a PDF document and reply back to send the document in doc format since the one I sent was not opened by their computer. And these people have a job! [snip] But would you want to work for such a company? I guess you've never *needed* a job before. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA (Women are) like compilers. They take simple statements and make them into big productions. Pitr Dubovitch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHvqSnS9HxQb37XmcRAlkLAKCMrGx/1wI1ING9Yog5DQgBb6WjHgCfWTxd J9Z5s9uRIMrqAv5yVV5ykjA= =s7FK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
On 22 Feb at 10:32 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 02/22/08 03:06, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 22 Feb at 5:08 H.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chuck Rhode wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote this on Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:39:30PM -0500. My reply is below. It would appear that there isn't. Employment applications piss me off. Every employer's is unique. Every employer's was designed on a Mac and saved as a *.pdf. Employers care nothing for attaching a blank application to an eMail without a thought as to how you're supposed to get it back to them. There ought'a be an ANSI Standard! And then there are the employers who think the only word processor in the world is MS Office and that every human being with a computer has it. Further, they have this unwritten 'law' that all documents must be sent in 'doc' format. I know a few who are totally lost if they are sent a PDF document and reply back to send the document in doc format since the one I sent was not opened by their computer. And these people have a job! [snip] But would you want to work for such a company? I guess you've never *needed* a job before. Well, I sold my soul once, but that's another story :) -- Tony van der Hoff| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Buckinghamshire, England -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
If you ever watch someone (for example, at the county clerk's office) using an IBM electronic typewriter to fill out a form, you'll see constant manual adjustment of the platen, using the clutch which is built into the platen and is actuated by the knob of the platen. But common dot-matrix and daisy-wheel printers have no platen clutch. While they may have a micro up and down adjustment buttons, they are too slow and cumbersome for constant repeated use. While the IBM Selectric (and particularly, the Correcting Selectric II) also does a fine job and is easy to use with forms, the problem is that the Selectric needs periodic adjustment (by a skilled technician), including replacement of certain parts. Such maintenance appears no longer to be available commercially. Without periodic maintenance, the Selectric slowly degrades into an almost unusable state. Also, with only occasion use, ribbons and correcting tapes dry out and become unusable. Regrettably, in the present day, it appears impractical to keep the machine running. All things considered, it is difficult to improve upon an old type-bar machine for occasional use in filling out forms. A type-bar machine which is in good repair needs only an occasional ribbon; and so long as there are dot-matrix printers, ribbons can be had readily and cheaply. RLH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 06:28:10AM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote: If you ever watch someone (for example, at the county clerk's office) using an IBM electronic typewriter to fill out a form, you'll see constant manual adjustment of the platen, using the clutch which is built into the platen and is actuated by the knob of the platen. But common dot-matrix and daisy-wheel printers have no platen clutch. While they may have a micro up and down adjustment buttons, they are too slow and cumbersome for constant repeated use. While the IBM Selectric (and particularly, the Correcting Selectric II) also does a fine job and is easy to use with forms, the problem is that the Selectric needs periodic adjustment (by a skilled technician), including replacement of certain parts. Such maintenance appears no longer to be available commercially. Without periodic maintenance, the Selectric slowly degrades into an almost unusable state. Also, with only occasion use, ribbons and correcting tapes dry out and become unusable. Regrettably, in the present day, it appears impractical to keep the machine running. All things considered, it is difficult to improve upon an old type-bar machine for occasional use in filling out forms. A type-bar machine which is in good repair needs only an occasional ribbon; and so long as there are dot-matrix printers, ribbons can be had readily and cheaply. Right, but an old manual typewriter is hard to find, and a collectors' item (with associated price) along with it. I learned on a good solid Underwood. Those were the days... A dot-matrix (mine is 24-pin) can place text anywhere on the page (with the right controll codes). I guess I'll need to start writing the app. Hey, maybe I buy a Soekris, hook up a VT520, and plug in the dot-matrix printer, put OpenBSD on a CF card, with my app. Presto, instant manual/electric typewriter. Shouldn't cost more than $300 plus $1000 (for a new version of my Epson wide-carage 360 dpi printer). Perhaps I can get away without the VT520 if I can tell unix to use the printer as the console output and a USB keyboard as the console input. :)) doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 09:06:49AM +, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 22 Feb at 5:08 H.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] And then there are the employers who think the only word processor in the world is MS Office and that every human being with a computer has it. Further, they have this unwritten 'law' that all documents must be sent in 'doc' format. I know a few who are totally lost if they are sent a PDF document and reply back to send the document in doc format since the one I sent was not opened by their computer. And these people have a job! [snip] But would you want to work for such a company? If I have to keep buying computers that will run the latest microsoft, then keep buying the latest microsoft so that I can write doc files, who can afford such a job? Its cheaper to write PDFs and ps on my 486 with LaTex. :) Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 09:06:49AM +, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 22 Feb at 5:08 H.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] And then there are the employers who think the only word processor in the world is MS Office and that every human being with a computer has it. Further, they have this unwritten 'law' that all documents must be sent in 'doc' format. I know a few who are totally lost if they are sent a PDF document and reply back to send the document in doc format since the one I sent was not opened by their computer. And these people have a job! [snip] But would you want to work for such a company? If I have to keep buying computers that will run the latest microsoft, then keep buying the latest microsoft so that I can write doc files, who can afford such a job? Its cheaper to write PDFs and ps on my 486 with LaTex. :) Now, I understand that the human resources people usually want a document whose text they can put in their database which is searchable. But what pisses me off is they demand the applicants to send a MS Word document. Now, why in the world can't they just extract the text from a PDF document, may I ask? What other factor in the world can they hope to get from a Word document? The answer appears to be that they are on the other side of the table. They are not desperately looking for a job and have no incentive to do any such work -- they just want to make their own life easier. Not to mention that it reflects on their knowledge of the tools they are supposed to know how to use on a daily basis. Oh, and I can bet most of human resources people, heck, even management people, have never ever heard of Latex has a document preparation system. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/22/08 14:15, H.S. wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 09:06:49AM +, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 22 Feb at 5:08 H.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] And then there are the employers who think the only word processor in the world is MS Office and that every human being with a computer has it. Further, they have this unwritten 'law' that all documents must be sent in 'doc' format. I know a few who are totally lost if they are sent a PDF document and reply back to send the document in doc format since the one I sent was not opened by their computer. And these people have a job! [snip] But would you want to work for such a company? If I have to keep buying computers that will run the latest microsoft, then keep buying the latest microsoft so that I can write doc files, who can afford such a job? Its cheaper to write PDFs and ps on my 486 with LaTex. :) Now, I understand that the human resources people usually want a document whose text they can put in their database which is searchable. But what pisses me off is they demand the applicants to send a MS Word document. Now, why in the world can't they just extract the text from a PDF document, may I ask? What other factor in the world can they hope to get from a Word document? The answer appears to be that they are on the other side of the table. They are not desperately looking for a job and have no incentive to do any such work -- they just want to make their own life easier. Not to mention that it reflects on their knowledge of the tools they are supposed to know how to use on a daily basis. They use Word because Word is on their PC. Did you really have to ask that? Oh, and I can bet most of human resources people, heck, even management people, have never ever heard of Latex has a document preparation system. Are you crazy? They think that latex is the stuff you make dish- washing gloves out of. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA (Women are) like compilers. They take simple statements and make them into big productions. Pitr Dubovitch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHvzCFS9HxQb37XmcRAndoAJ9pDJD1GSvT208YTZQM7CnfVcHrxQCfaWtg 1p3z2CRfqtqawgU7Ly6DS+M= =0x56 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I often have forms to fill out and some would be better not hand-written. However, they all differ so I can't just set-up a template. What I really need is just a typewriter. Does anyone know of an app that will give me an interactive session with my Epson dot-matrix printer? I could feed that in (its an LQ-2080 and will do plain paper), use the enter key in the traditional typewriter way, etc. Indeed what an interesting idea. Something could flow like this. Pop the form in the printer and it prints a mark top left, feeds on through. Scan the form. Display with mark lined up as reference and click to position the cursor as necessary, typing in the info. Put form back into printer and print the entered text where set. Assumes of course the scanner and printer geometry is correct. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 12:06:05AM -0600, Depo Catcher wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: What I really need is just a typewriter. I can sale you one for the right price. Sure, I can probably buy one but I have a perfectly good printer (that does decent resolution for ps files too). If it was a serial printer, life would be a little easier. Use minicom: puts the lock in the right place and away I go. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:52:41PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/20/08 16:24, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I often have forms to fill out and some would be better not hand-written. However, they all differ so I can't just set-up a template. Does anyone know of an app that will give me an interactive session with my Epson dot-matrix printer? I could feed that in (its an LQ-2080 and will do plain paper), use the enter key in the traditional typewriter way, etc. It shouldn't be too big a deal to do, I just figured I'd see if there's already a solution before I try to reinvent a very old wheel. The problem, I think, is that, in multi-user systems printers are connected to application software via print queues instead of directly attached like in single-user OSs. Well, that could either be handled by something imitating lpd and putting a lock on the printer or by lpc to stop the printing but allow spooling to continue. Either way, this frees up the printer. /dev/lp0 is owned by root:lp so I suppose the person doing the typewriting would either have to belong to the lp group or be root. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 07:56:21PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 05:50:05AM +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I often have forms to fill out and some would be better not hand-written. However, they all differ so I can't just set-up a template. Does anyone know of an app that will give me an interactive session with my Epson dot-matrix printer? I could feed that in (its an LQ-2080 and will do plain paper), use the enter key in the traditional typewriter way, etc. It shouldn't be too big a deal to do, I just figured I'd see if there's already a solution before I try to reinvent a very old wheel. Very interesting. While I am not aware of any such app, doesn't cat /dev/lp0 (or equivalent) work? That would probably work in a line mode sort of way. That is you could get one line at a time. But that wouldn't help with horizontal position. You likely need a way to send each character individually so that you could space-bar your way across the page to the next blank. There is a technical manual that *almost* qualifies as a technical I have the technical document. Since I can just send regular ascii to print regular ascii, presumably it accepts spaces and carriage returns (I don't know if it accepts other ascii controll codes for movement, but I won't remember those and typewriters don't have those either (well, I suppose line feed without carrage return would be helpfull). Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 01:29:29PM +, Ramsay D. Seielstad wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I often have forms to fill out and some would be better not hand-written. However, they all differ so I can't just set-up a template. Does anyone know of an app that will give me an interactive session with my Epson dot-matrix printer? I could feed that in (its an LQ-2080 and will do plain paper), use the enter key in the traditional typewriter way, etc. While not exactly a typewriter, I scan an image of the form, save it as an image file and then load the image into The GIMP. Before I continue I save the file with a slightly different filename to protect the original in case I need to start over. The problems are two: 1. I don't have a scanner 2. The forms are sometimes multipart or have to be their origional form, not a copy. Thanks anyway. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
Could you do something as simple as: cat - /dev/lp0 ? - Original Message - From: Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:27 AM Subject: Re: typewriter function for an impact printer? On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 01:29:29PM +, Ramsay D. Seielstad wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I often have forms to fill out and some would be better not hand-written. However, they all differ so I can't just set-up a template. Does anyone know of an app that will give me an interactive session with my Epson dot-matrix printer? I could feed that in (its an LQ-2080 and will do plain paper), use the enter key in the traditional typewriter way, etc. While not exactly a typewriter, I scan an image of the form, save it as an image file and then load the image into The GIMP. Before I continue I save the file with a slightly different filename to protect the original in case I need to start over. The problems are two: 1. I don't have a scanner 2. The forms are sometimes multipart or have to be their origional form, not a copy. Thanks anyway. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 01:02:41PM -0500, Larry Irwin wrote: Could you do something as simple as: cat - /dev/lp0 ? Well, yes this works for line at a time. It doesn't work for character at a time It doesn't, by itself, lock /dev/lp0 so that lpd waits. --- Anyway, I don't want to bug people with how can I write an app that does this since I can poke away at it. I was just interested in if anybody knew of an off-the-shelf answer. It would appear that there isn't. Thanks all, Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
Douglas A. Tutty wrote this on Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:39:30PM -0500. My reply is below. It would appear that there isn't. Employment applications piss me off. Every employer's is unique. Every employer's was designed on a Mac and saved as a *.pdf. Employers care nothing for attaching a blank application to an eMail without a thought as to how you're supposed to get it back to them. There ought'a be an ANSI Standard! I am so pissed I've taken a passive/aggressive approach. Slavishly I convert the *.pdf to a series of *.jpg files with the *pdfimages* utility from the *poppler-utils* package. Even more slavishly I open an Oo.org document, insert a bunch of page breaks, and stuff each separate *.jpg in the background of its own separate page. Then I painstakingly type over the top of each image being sure to use a 10-point bold Courier font, which is way too big for the miniscule blanks the Mac people think are appropriate. I have to buck and weave with paragraph spacing and tab stops. Each application can take upwards of two hours to complete, but my time is worth less than nothing apparently, and I should appreciate the privilege I'm given to make such applications. Finally, I export the whole Oo.org document back to *.pdf and attach it to a return eMail. This saves me postage and sticks the employer with the expense of printing the application out. Turkeys! So far I've done this dozens of times without receiving the favor of a reply. -- .. Chuck Rhode, Sheboygan, WI, USA .. Weather: http://LacusVeris.com/WX .. 5° — Wind Calm — Sky overcast. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/08 21:54, Chuck Rhode wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote this on Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:39:30PM -0500. My reply is below. It would appear that there isn't. Employment applications piss me off. Every employer's is unique. Every employer's was designed on a Mac and saved as a *.pdf. Employers care nothing for attaching a blank application to an eMail without a thought as to how you're supposed to get it back to them. There ought'a be an ANSI Standard! I am so pissed I've taken a passive/aggressive approach. Slavishly I convert the *.pdf to a series of *.jpg files with the *pdfimages* utility from the *poppler-utils* package. Even more slavishly I open an Oo.org document, insert a bunch of page breaks, and stuff each separate *.jpg in the background of its own separate page. Then I painstakingly type over the top of each image being sure to use a 10-point bold Courier font, which is way too big for the miniscule blanks the Mac people think are appropriate. I have to buck and weave with paragraph spacing and tab stops. Each application can take upwards of two hours to complete, but my time is worth less than nothing apparently, and I should appreciate the privilege I'm given to make such applications. How do you sign your name to the employment application? Finally, I export the whole Oo.org document back to *.pdf and attach it to a return eMail. This saves me postage and sticks the employer with the expense of printing the application out. Turkeys! So far I've done this dozens of times without receiving the favor of a reply. Why am I not surprised? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA (Women are) like compilers. They take simple statements and make them into big productions. Pitr Dubovitch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHvlI5S9HxQb37XmcRAgweAKDcUWy2V6iyLsOBxNyRiksNqQuo4gCghkUC 09Ajvy+VFSqG+Sp4tfi9+80= =p8XD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
Chuck Rhode wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote this on Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:39:30PM -0500. My reply is below. It would appear that there isn't. Employment applications piss me off. Every employer's is unique. Every employer's was designed on a Mac and saved as a *.pdf. Employers care nothing for attaching a blank application to an eMail without a thought as to how you're supposed to get it back to them. There ought'a be an ANSI Standard! And then there are the employers who think the only word processor in the world is MS Office and that every human being with a computer has it. Further, they have this unwritten 'law' that all documents must be sent in 'doc' format. I know a few who are totally lost if they are sent a PDF document and reply back to send the document in doc format since the one I sent was not opened by their computer. And these people have a job! There, got my rant out :) -HS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Hello all, I often have forms to fill out and some would be better not hand-written. However, they all differ so I can't just set-up a template. What I really need is just a typewriter. Does anyone know of an app that will give me an interactive session with my Epson dot-matrix printer? I could feed that in (its an LQ-2080 and will do plain paper), use the enter key in the traditional typewriter way, etc. It shouldn't be too big a deal to do, I just figured I'd see if there's already a solution before I try to reinvent a very old wheel. Very interesting. While I am not aware of any such app, doesn't cat /dev/lp0 (or equivalent) work? I like the concept. Please post back your experience. Thanks, Doug. -- Raj Kiran Grandhi -- At the source of every error which is blamed on the computer, you will find at least two human errors, including the error of blaming it on the computer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 05:50:05AM +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Hello all, I often have forms to fill out and some would be better not hand-written. However, they all differ so I can't just set-up a template. What I really need is just a typewriter. Does anyone know of an app that will give me an interactive session with my Epson dot-matrix printer? I could feed that in (its an LQ-2080 and will do plain paper), use the enter key in the traditional typewriter way, etc. It shouldn't be too big a deal to do, I just figured I'd see if there's already a solution before I try to reinvent a very old wheel. Very interesting. While I am not aware of any such app, doesn't cat /dev/lp0 (or equivalent) work? That would probably work in a line mode sort of way. That is you could get one line at a time. But that wouldn't help with horizontal position. You likely need a way to send each character individually so that you could space-bar your way across the page to the next blank. What you really need is the control codes for the printer, I suspect and a simple loop to capture characters and feed them to the printer one at a time. YOu may need to translate some of them as well. There is a technical manual that *almost* qualifies as a technical manual and it shows you how to put the printer in hex dump mode which would allow you to verify that it uses regular ascii codes... it looks like it does, but you'd want to make sure. If that's the case, just send them to the printer. You'd have to experiment to see if you need line-feeds, carriage returns etc... technical manual: http://files.support.epson.com/pdf/lq2080/lq2080pg.pdf A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: typewriter function for an impact printer?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/08 16:24, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Hello all, I often have forms to fill out and some would be better not hand-written. However, they all differ so I can't just set-up a template. What I really need is just a typewriter. Does anyone know of an app that will give me an interactive session with my Epson dot-matrix printer? I could feed that in (its an LQ-2080 and will do plain paper), use the enter key in the traditional typewriter way, etc. It shouldn't be too big a deal to do, I just figured I'd see if there's already a solution before I try to reinvent a very old wheel. The problem, I think, is that, in multi-user systems printers are connected to application software via print queues instead of directly attached like in single-user OSs. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA (Women are) like compilers. They take simple statements and make them into big productions. Pitr Dubovitch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHvQOZS9HxQb37XmcRAtaUAJ49a0Zfdk0C9SSTVcAvCN+kNI36GACdGJ+T RrjJDkPGcGbOmlbSODLgpa0= =a+tf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ron Johnson wrote: What I really need is just a typewriter. I can sale you one for the right price. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
