Re: Vivaldi & apt-get?

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2016-11-14, John Conover  wrote:
>
> When updating vivaldi in Wheezy 7.X, I get "The following packages
> have been kept back" vivaldi-stable.
>
> Vivaldi updates fine in Jessie 8.X.
>
> Both were i386, (32 bit,) installed via ".deb" files.
>
> How do I fix Wheezy?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>

Where did you get the .deb files from? Have you asked the provider
whether they still support wheezy?

-- 

Liam

Re: vivaldi?

[Bob Holtzman]

On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 03:09:53PM +0100, Siard wrote:
> David Christensen:
> > Gene Heskett:
> > > http://freedomoutpost.com/2016/01/isis-to-activate-thousands-of-sleeper-cells-in-2016-to-destabilize-the-west/
> > 
> > I see the web page.
> >
> > > There I found a flash, tried to play it,
> > 
> > Following the paragraph "Baghdadi added: ...", I see a grayed area
> > with the text "A plugin is needed to display this content".  Clicking
> > on it has no effect.
> 
> I'd suggest not to install flashplugin-nonfree, but
> browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash instead.
> It makes the Pepper Flash plugin from Chrome available for NPAPI web
> browsers such as Iceweasel and Seamonkey, using the latest Flash
> version, which is 20.0.0.228 at the moment.

Which, at a guess, means it comes from Google. If true, ain't no way
that goes on my system! If I'm wrong, please educate me.

-- 
Bob Holtzman
A man is a man who will fight with a sword or
conquer Mt. Everest in snow. But the bravest of all
owns a '34 Ford and tries for six thousand in low.

Re: vivaldi?

[Bob Holtzman]

On Sun, Jan 03, 2016 at 10:08:07PM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> Hi Gene, all,
> I think Gene should be handled with respect and patience
> 
> > Comments please, and what browser are you all using that doesn't hassle
> > the user to death, it Just Works, like firefox did 3 years ago.
> 
> The popup you see is because your flashplayer (plugin) is outdated. Whenever
> you update it, the pop up goes away until the next update is released. This
> happens for good or bad very often recently - 3-4 times a year.
> 
> But the installation of the flash plugin is not that complicated. At least
> you know how one works with a console (there is install script you run via
> sudo)
> 
> The other thing I'm doing is using the latest version of firefox and not
> icew. But this comes to personal preference.
> I do not like chrome, though it is not bad. I do not like it because it
> comes from google.

That's not the only reason to dislike it. I found it impossible to lock
it down like I can with iceweasel/fireffox

-- 
Bob Holtzman
A man is a man who will fight with a sword or
conquer Mt. Everest in snow. But the bravest of all
owns a '34 Ford and tries for six thousand in low.

Re: vivaldi?

[James Cloos]

> "GH" == Gene Heskett  writes:

GH> So I downloaded the vivaldi-beta deb, and tried to use apt-get to 
GH> install, but that spit out several dozen pages of E: lines and didn't.

To install a downloaded deb, try:  dpkg --install file.deb

GH> Comments please, and what browser are you all using that doesn't hassle 
GH> the user to death, it Just Works, like firefox did 3 years ago.

You can always install firefox (or seamonkey) from the upstream tar:

http://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.39/linux-i686/en-US/seamonkey-2.39.tar.bz2
http://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.39/contrib/seamonkey-2.39.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2
https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/43.0.4/linux-i686/en-US/firefox-43.0.4.tar.bz2
https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/43.0.4/linux-x86_64/en-US/firefox-43.0.4.tar.bz2

(Seamonkey is the continuation of the original mozilla UI.)

-JimC
-- 
James Cloos  OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6

Re: vivaldi?

[David Christensen]

On 01/03/2016 07:44 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Sunday 03 January 2016 21:56:46 David Christensen wrote:

Did you click on something to produce that error message?


Yes, the listed links.


Then your IceWeasel and/or Wheezy are broken.  I would do a backup, 
wipe, fresh install (or re-image), and restore cycle.



David

Re: vivaldi?

[Joel Rees]

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 9:06 AM, John Hasler  wrote:
> Bob writes:
>> What is your substitute? Also I haven't heard of a lot of security
>> problems w/ iceweasel. Enlighten me please.
>
> Lisi writes:
>> e.g.
>> https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20151216182759.GA3513@pisco.westfalen.local
>
> So what?  Those are Firefox bugs.  They were fixed.  "sudo apt install 
> iceweasel"

or apt-get update

> and Bob's your uncle.

As John implies here, every web browser has these kinds of bugs show
up reguarly. It's a symptom of the features wars that the big
companies wage to try to control the market, and, since we want to use
the web with everyone else, we get dragged into the wake whether we
wanted to ski or not.

Firefox has does not have especially more than anyone else.

-- 
Joel Rees

Ranting is free.
http://free-is-not-free.blogspot.jp/

Re: vivaldi?

[Bob Holtzman]

On Sun, Jan 03, 2016 at 11:33:05PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 03 January 2016 22:43:36 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 03, 2016 at 05:21:17PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Sunday 03 January 2016 15:02:59 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > So I installed googles chromium,
> > >
> > > Which?  Google Chrome or chromium (debian package).
> > >
> > > > but it crashes and you have to use the
> > > > reload button, hundreds of times a day.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have a clue what that is all about?  googles idea of an
> > > > easter egg that disappears if you register chromium which I assume
> > > > turns it into chrome?
> > >
> > >  No, they are not the same thing.  There is chromium, which is a Debian
> > > package and Open Source, and Google Chrome, which is proprietary and Just
> > > Works (most of the time).
> > >
> > > > Comments please, and what browser are you all using that doesn't hassle
> > > > the user to death, it Just Works, like firefox did 3 years ago.
> > >
> > > I find that Flash on Iceweasel and Google Chrome both work on Wheezy for
> > > almost everything.  I don't use Iceweasel a lot because of all the
> > > security issues.
> >
> > What is your substitute? Also I haven't heard of a lot of security
> > problems w/ iceweasel. Enlighten me please.
> 
> e.g.
> https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20151216182759.GA3513@pisco.westfalen.local

I'm getting "no such message", "Sorry, no match found for message-id
20151216182759.GA3513" or "No such Message-ID known". 

Found a post in the debian-security-announce news group about the 
vulnerabilities but it said that they had been patched. They are a 
use-after-free and a flaw in the handling of add-ons installation.
Are these the ones you refer to? If not, got another link?  
 

Re: vivaldi?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 04 January 2016 17:06:44 Curt wrote:
> On 2016-01-03, John Hasler  wrote:
> > BTW there is a Firefox plugin that will make Youtube use HTML5 instead
> > of Flash.
>
> I use the latest version of Firefox; Youtube defaults to HTML5 for the
> most part, but I get no sound.
>
> I've gleaned, perhaps incorrectly, that it may have to do with the fact
> that my HDMI "watchamacallit" is card 0 and my ALC662 "chip" (that I use
> for sound) is card 1.
>
> I created an .asoundrc workaround file in my home directory many moons
> ago to get sound because of the above arrangement.
>
> Well, anyway, I've hijacked the thread and will be shot at dawn.

And you didn't even say "was".  Shooting is too good. ;-)

Lisi

Re: vivaldi?

[Curt]

On 2016-01-03, John Hasler  wrote:
>
> BTW there is a Firefox plugin that will make Youtube use HTML5 instead
> of Flash.

I use the latest version of Firefox; Youtube defaults to HTML5 for the
most part, but I get no sound.

I've gleaned, perhaps incorrectly, that it may have to do with the fact
that my HDMI "watchamacallit" is card 0 and my ALC662 "chip" (that I use
for sound) is card 1.

I created an .asoundrc workaround file in my home directory many moons
ago to get sound because of the above arrangement.

Well, anyway, I've hijacked the thread and will be shot at dawn.

Re: vivaldi?

[Siard]

David Christensen:
> Gene Heskett:
> > http://freedomoutpost.com/2016/01/isis-to-activate-thousands-of-sleeper-cells-in-2016-to-destabilize-the-west/
> 
> I see the web page.
>
> > There I found a flash, tried to play it,
> 
> Following the paragraph "Baghdadi added: ...", I see a grayed area
> with the text "A plugin is needed to display this content".  Clicking
> on it has no effect.

I'd suggest not to install flashplugin-nonfree, but
browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash instead.
It makes the Pepper Flash plugin from Chrome available for NPAPI web
browsers such as Iceweasel and Seamonkey, using the latest Flash
version, which is 20.0.0.228 at the moment.

This way, the video mentioned above plays fine here in Iceweasel,
Seamonkey, Opera and Vivaldi.

As for YouTube, in www.youtube.com/html5 you can set YouTube to use
html5 wherever possible.

Re: vivaldi?

[Floris]

Op Sun, 03 Jan 2016 16:02:59 +0100 schreef Gene Heskett  
:



Greetings all;


So I downloaded the vivaldi-beta deb, and tried to use apt-get to
install, but that spit out several dozen pages of E: lines and didn't.


vivaldi-beta is an older version use the snapshot version. Vivaldi
is still alpha/beta software so the beta version isn't more stable than
the snapshot.

You don't install deb packages with apt. Use

dpkg -i vivaldi-some-version.deb
apt-get install -f

vivaldi creates an entry in /etc/apt/sources.d/ to make it easy
to update with apt-get


So I stepped into the deb with mc, and copied its contents to the
directories it would have been put in, even ran the postinst thing.
Didn't run from a cli.


So now you are sure your installation is broken.
At you own risk! Try to remove those files.

success,

btw. Vivaldi runs fine over here

floris

Re: vivaldi?

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 03 January 2016 21:56:46 David Christensen wrote:

> On 01/03/2016 02:14 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Well, slashdot can crash chrome just sitting there on the front
> > page, presumably when an attempt is made to load some off-my-screen
> > bit of slashdot.
> >
> > http://www.cbsnews.com/news/armed-militia-takeover-oregon-debate-mea
> >ning-of-terrorist/
>
> Testing IceWeasel 38.5.0 on a fresh install of
> debian-7.9.0-amd64-xfce, I see a web page with lots of text and
> images.  I do not see any error messages.
>
> > http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-marshal-south-dakota-shoots-kills-sou
> >th-carolina-murder-suspect/
>
> I see a pop-up/ overlay for ~10 seconds, then I see the web page.
>
> > http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-quiet-power-of-meditation/
>
> I see the web page.
>
> > http://www.cbsnews.com/news/activists-target-gun-makers-with-unload-
> >your-401k/
>
> I see the web page.
>
> > Thats 4 that give this:
> > Error 413 Request Entity Too Large, purported from the varnish cache
> > server, whatever the heck that is.
>
> Did you click on something to produce that error message?
>
Yes, the listed links.

> > http://freedomoutpost.com/2016/01/isis-to-activate-thousands-of-slee
> >per-cells-in-2016-to-destabilize-the-west/
>
> I see the web page.
>
> > There I found a flash, tried to play it,
>
> Following the paragraph "Baghdadi added: ...", I see a grayed area
> with the text "A plugin is needed to display this content".  Clicking
> on it has no effect.
>
>
> If I browse to YouTube, and click on the top video "Coldplay - Birds
> (Official video)", it plays.  Testing two others, they work fine. 
> Note that I did not need to install browser-plugin-gnash, so YouTube
> is likely detecting what IceWeasel supports OOTB and sending a
> suitable video stream.
>
> > clicked on the update now
> > button. it went thru the download of a 32 bit version in a tar.gz,
> > supposedly saving it in ~/Downloads. This is the only flash file in
> > Downloads:
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 gene gene5979889 Aug 25  2013
> > flashplayer_11_sa.i386.tar.gz
> > I have unpacked it and installed it several times, no effect.
>
> I think you've boogered your machine.  Put in another system drive (or
> USB stick), do a plain vanilla install of Wheezy with Xfce, take an
> image, and then try IceWeasel.
>
>
> David


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: vivaldi?

[David Christensen]

On 01/03/2016 02:14 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

Well, slashdot can crash chrome just sitting there on the front page,
presumably when an attempt is made to load some off-my-screen bit of
slashdot.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/armed-militia-takeover-oregon-debate-meaning-of-terrorist/


Testing IceWeasel 38.5.0 on a fresh install of debian-7.9.0-amd64-xfce, 
I see a web page with lots of text and images.  I do not see any error 
messages.




http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-marshal-south-dakota-shoots-kills-south-carolina-murder-suspect/


I see a pop-up/ overlay for ~10 seconds, then I see the web page.



http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-quiet-power-of-meditation/


I see the web page.



http://www.cbsnews.com/news/activists-target-gun-makers-with-unload-your-401k/


I see the web page.



Thats 4 that give this:
Error 413 Request Entity Too Large, purported from the varnish cache
server, whatever the heck that is.


Did you click on something to produce that error message?



http://freedomoutpost.com/2016/01/isis-to-activate-thousands-of-sleeper-cells-in-2016-to-destabilize-the-west/


I see the web page.



There I found a flash, tried to play it,


Following the paragraph "Baghdadi added: ...", I see a grayed area with 
the text "A plugin is needed to display this content".  Clicking on it 
has no effect.



If I browse to YouTube, and click on the top video "Coldplay - Birds 
(Official video)", it plays.  Testing two others, they work fine.  Note 
that I did not need to install browser-plugin-gnash, so YouTube is 
likely detecting what IceWeasel supports OOTB and sending a suitable 
video stream.




clicked on the update now
button. it went thru the download of a 32 bit version in a tar.gz,
supposedly saving it in ~/Downloads. This is the only flash file in
Downloads:
-rw-r--r-- 1 gene gene5979889 Aug 25  2013
flashplayer_11_sa.i386.tar.gz
I have unpacked it and installed it several times, no effect.


I think you've boogered your machine.  Put in another system drive (or 
USB stick), do a plain vanilla install of Wheezy with Xfce, take an 
image, and then try IceWeasel.



David

Re: vivaldi?

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 03 January 2016 19:00:10 John Hasler wrote:

> Lisi writes:
> > Had you thought of actually installing Iceweasel from the
> > repositories?  You might find it worked better, as well as updating
> > better.
>
> It works fine for me.  Has for years.

I nuked all the gnash and lightspark stuff, then reinstalled iceweasel.
Some of the flash interference is still there, but when I click on the 
allow, every site but one worked.

I am still getting the request entity too big errors from cbsnews, but 
the rest seems to be working generally better.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: vivaldi?

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 03 January 2016 18:33:05 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 03 January 2016 22:43:36 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 03, 2016 at 05:21:17PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Sunday 03 January 2016 15:02:59 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > So I installed googles chromium,
> > >
> > > Which?  Google Chrome or chromium (debian package).
> > >
> > > > but it crashes and you have to use the
> > > > reload button, hundreds of times a day.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have a clue what that is all about?  googles idea of
> > > > an easter egg that disappears if you register chromium which I
> > > > assume turns it into chrome?
> > >
> > >  No, they are not the same thing.  There is chromium, which is a
> > > Debian package and Open Source, and Google Chrome, which is
> > > proprietary and Just Works (most of the time).
> > >
> > > > Comments please, and what browser are you all using that doesn't
> > > > hassle the user to death, it Just Works, like firefox did 3
> > > > years ago.
> > >
> > > I find that Flash on Iceweasel and Google Chrome both work on
> > > Wheezy for almost everything.  I don't use Iceweasel a lot because
> > > of all the security issues.
> >
> > What is your substitute? Also I haven't heard of a lot of security
> > problems w/ iceweasel. Enlighten me please.
>
> e.g.
> https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20151216182759.ga3...@pisco.west
>falen.local
>
> Lisi
Which is the version I have installed.

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: vivaldi?

[John Hasler]

Bob writes:
> What is your substitute? Also I haven't heard of a lot of security
> problems w/ iceweasel. Enlighten me please.

Lisi writes:
> e.g. 
> https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20151216182759.GA3513@pisco.westfalen.local

So what?  Those are Firefox bugs.  They were fixed.  "sudo apt install 
iceweasel"
and Bob's your uncle.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: vivaldi?

[John Hasler]

Lisi writes:
> Had you thought of actually installing Iceweasel from the
> repositories?  You might find it worked better, as well as updating
> better.

It works fine for me.  Has for years.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: vivaldi?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 03 January 2016 22:43:36 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 03, 2016 at 05:21:17PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Sunday 03 January 2016 15:02:59 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > So I installed googles chromium,
> >
> > Which?  Google Chrome or chromium (debian package).
> >
> > > but it crashes and you have to use the
> > > reload button, hundreds of times a day.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have a clue what that is all about?  googles idea of an
> > > easter egg that disappears if you register chromium which I assume
> > > turns it into chrome?
> >
> >  No, they are not the same thing.  There is chromium, which is a Debian
> > package and Open Source, and Google Chrome, which is proprietary and Just
> > Works (most of the time).
> >
> > > Comments please, and what browser are you all using that doesn't hassle
> > > the user to death, it Just Works, like firefox did 3 years ago.
> >
> > I find that Flash on Iceweasel and Google Chrome both work on Wheezy for
> > almost everything.  I don't use Iceweasel a lot because of all the
> > security issues.
>
> What is your substitute? Also I haven't heard of a lot of security
> problems w/ iceweasel. Enlighten me please.

e.g. 
https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20151216182759.GA3513@pisco.westfalen.local

Lisi

Re: vivaldi?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 03 January 2016 22:14:24 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 03 January 2016 16:31:41 David Christensen wrote:
> > On 01/03/2016 01:17 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Sunday 03 January 2016 15:43:51 David Christensen wrote:
> > >>   browser-plugin-gnash
> > >
> > > This has been installed for quite some time, several months.
> >
> > Please provide an example URL that causes the annoyance.
> >
> >
> > David
>
> Well, slashdot can crash chrome just sitting there on the front page,
> presumably when an attempt is made to load some off-my-screen bit of
> slashdot.
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/armed-militia-takeover-oregon-debate-meaning-of
>-terrorist/
> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-marshal-south-dakota-shoots-kills-south-caro
>lina-murder-suspect/
> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-quiet-power-of-meditation/
> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/activists-target-gun-makers-with-unload-your-40
>1k/ Thats 4 that give this:
> Error 413 Request Entity Too Large, purported from the varnish cache
> server, whatever the heck that is.
>
> http://freedomoutpost.com/2016/01/isis-to-activate-thousands-of-sleeper-cel
>ls-in-2016-to-destabilize-the-west/ There I found a flash, tried to play it,
> clicked on the update now button. it went thru the download of a 32 bit
> version in a tar.gz, supposedly saving it in ~/Downloads. This is the only
> flash file in Downloads:
> -rw-r--r-- 1 gene gene5979889 Aug 25  2013
> flashplayer_11_sa.i386.tar.gz
> I have unpacked it and installed it several times, no effect.

All five played fine in Google Chrome.  The last three played fine in 
Iceweasel.  The first two had a large blank space at the top in Iceweasel, 
but otherwise played fine.

I have flashplugin-nonfree installed, not gnash, which I have found 
unsatisfactory.

Some of it did take a while to download.

Had you thought of actually installing Iceweasel from the repositories?  You 
might find it worked better, as well as updating better.

Lisi

Re: vivaldi?

[Bob Holtzman]

On Sun, Jan 03, 2016 at 05:21:17PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 03 January 2016 15:02:59 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > So I installed googles chromium,
> 
> Which?  Google Chrome or chromium (debian package).
> 
> > but it crashes and you have to use the 
> > reload button, hundreds of times a day.
> 
> > Does anyone have a clue what that is all about?  googles idea of an
> > easter egg that disappears if you register chromium which I assume turns
> > it into chrome?
> 
>  No, they are not the same thing.  There is chromium, which is a Debian 
> package and Open Source, and Google Chrome, which is proprietary and Just 
> Works (most of the time).
> 
> > Comments please, and what browser are you all using that doesn't hassle
> > the user to death, it Just Works, like firefox did 3 years ago.
> 
> I find that Flash on Iceweasel and Google Chrome both work on Wheezy for 
> almost everything.  I don't use Iceweasel a lot because of all the security 
> issues. 

What is your substitute? Also I haven't heard of a lot of security
problems w/ iceweasel. Enlighten me please.

Re: vivaldi?

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 03 January 2016 16:54:28 Felix Miata wrote:

> Gene Heskett composed on 2016-01-03 10:02 (UTC-0500):
> > Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.
>
> With so many giving trouble, have you considered creating a new login
> user to test with? I find it hard to believe you can find no browser
> capable of using the web, or every browser crashing. I've found found
> none incapable for many many moons.
>
> Maybe you have a filesystem problem that's affecting HTTP connections.
> Maybe a forced / filesystem check would find and fix a problem.
>
> I do not have Flash installed on this system, and have no problem
> doing what needs doing among 5-6 different Gecko and KHTML web
> browsers, e.g. on cbsnews:
> http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Moz/ff38esrFS1920x1200x120.jpg

I have no problems with .jpg, they just work.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: vivaldi?

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 03 January 2016 16:31:41 David Christensen wrote:

> On 01/03/2016 01:17 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 03 January 2016 15:43:51 David Christensen wrote:
> >>   browser-plugin-gnash
> >
> > This has been installed for quite some time, several months.
>
> Please provide an example URL that causes the annoyance.
>
>
> David

Well, slashdot can crash chrome just sitting there on the front page, 
presumably when an attempt is made to load some off-my-screen bit of 
slashdot.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/armed-militia-takeover-oregon-debate-meaning-of-terrorist/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-marshal-south-dakota-shoots-kills-south-carolina-murder-suspect/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-quiet-power-of-meditation/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/activists-target-gun-makers-with-unload-your-401k/
Thats 4 that give this:
Error 413 Request Entity Too Large, purported from the varnish cache 
server, whatever the heck that is.

http://freedomoutpost.com/2016/01/isis-to-activate-thousands-of-sleeper-cells-in-2016-to-destabilize-the-west/
There I found a flash, tried to play it, clicked on the update now 
button. it went thru the download of a 32 bit version in a tar.gz, 
supposedly saving it in ~/Downloads. This is the only flash file in 
Downloads:
-rw-r--r-- 1 gene gene5979889 Aug 25  2013 
flashplayer_11_sa.i386.tar.gz
I have unpacked it and installed it several times, no effect.

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: vivaldi?

[John Hasler]

Gene writes:
> Yes, I have seen that requester many many times, but when I go to the 
> adobe site like the suggested link goes to, the only version it offers 
> me is exactly what I've had for ay least 2 years, the last one afer 
> which they stated that no new linux compatibles would be released, that 
> was the last one.

> Can you explain that?

You should know better than to do what Adobe tells you (the alert is
coming from the Adobe server software at the site you are accessing.  It
has nothing to do with Firefox).  Get rid of anything you got directly
from Adobe.  Install the flashplugin-nonfree package.  When you get that
"alert" run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install".  Adobe is not
releasing new versions for Linux but they are patching security bugs.

Better yet, get rid of Adobe and install Gnash.

BTW there is a Firefox plugin that will make Youtube use HTML5 instead
of Flash.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: vivaldi?

[Felix Miata]

Gene Heskett composed on 2016-01-03 10:02 (UTC-0500):

> Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.

With so many giving trouble, have you considered creating a new login user to
test with? I find it hard to believe you can find no browser capable of using
the web, or every browser crashing. I've found found none incapable for many
many moons.

Maybe you have a filesystem problem that's affecting HTTP connections. Maybe
a forced / filesystem check would find and fix a problem.

I do not have Flash installed on this system, and have no problem doing what
needs doing among 5-6 different Gecko and KHTML web browsers, e.g. on cbsnews:
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Moz/ff38esrFS1920x1200x120.jpg
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: vivaldi?

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 03 January 2016 16:08:07 deloptes wrote:

> Hi Gene, all,
> I think Gene should be handled with respect and patience
>
> > Comments please, and what browser are you all using that doesn't
> > hassle the user to death, it Just Works, like firefox did 3 years
> > ago.
>
> The popup you see is because your flashplayer (plugin) is outdated.
> Whenever you update it, the pop up goes away until the next update is
> released. This happens for good or bad very often recently - 3-4 times
> a year.
>
Yes, I have seen that requester many many times, but when I go to the 
adobe site like the suggested link goes to, the only version it offers 
me is exactly what I've had for ay least 2 years, the last one afer 
which they stated that no new linux compatibles would be released, that 
was the last one.

Can you explain that?

As a FWIW I have these installed: (hand copied from the synaptic screen, 
and these archives are not present in /var/cache/apt/archives. Accuracy 
of hand copying dubious)

flash-plugin-nonfree1.3.2+wheezy1
pepperflash-plugin-nonfree  1.4~bpo60+1
browser-plugin-lightspark   0.6.0.1-2
browser-plugin-gnash0.8.11~git20120629-1+deb7u1
konqueror-plugin-gnash  same version as above

All the usual lightspark suspects are installed, as are all the usual 
suspects for gnash.

I have put up with this slow destruction of what iceweasel can do, dating 
back to other installs as long as 2 years back.  No one else seems to be 
having problems with it they can't fix.

Whats next?  Nuke em all & see if iceweasel can fix it when its all 
missing?

> But the installation of the flash plugin is not that complicated. At
> least you know how one works with a console (there is install script
> you run via sudo)
>
> The other thing I'm doing is using the latest version of firefox and
> not icew. But this comes to personal preference.
> I do not like chrome, though it is not bad. I do not like it because
> it comes from google.
>
> regards


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: vivaldi?

[David Christensen]

On 01/03/2016 01:17 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Sunday 03 January 2016 15:43:51 David Christensen wrote:

  browser-plugin-gnash


This has been installed for quite some time, several months.


Please provide an example URL that causes the annoyance.


David

Re: vivaldi?

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 03 January 2016 15:43:51 David Christensen wrote:

> On 01/03/2016 07:02 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel
> > has been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime, bringing
> > up a requester that has a button labeled "allow and remember", but
> > it doesn't remember, you have to do it for every flash presented. 
> > Half of the time you click on it, the site has timed out, so you hit
> > reload hoping you can click the ok quick enough to make it work THIS
> > time. Usually it doesn't, so you never get to read or see that
> > story.
> >
> > And some news sites stories links are totally ignored, and some get
> > a "request entity to large" whatever the heck that is.
>
> On 01/03/2016 09:38 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>  > Version 37.0.2062.120 Built on Debian 7.6, running on Debian 7.9
>  > (281580)
>
> I am loath to install software by circumventing the Apt package system
> -- doing so has destabilized my systems more times than I can count.
> For me, the path of least resistance is Debian stable with minimal
> customization.
>
>
> Regarding IceWeasel on Wheezy, the default installation didn't seem to
> include support for Flash.  My guess is that the warning messages come
> from a JavaScript library (on the web server, or other Internet
> server) that detects the absence of an add-on to deal with the
> relevant MIME type.  Installing the following Debian package makes the
> warnings go away and allows me to watch videos on YouTube:
>
>  browser-plugin-gnash
>
This has been installed for quite some time, several months.
>
> David


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: vivaldi?

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 03 January 2016 13:14:39 Charlie Kravetz wrote:

> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 11:57:54 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >On Sunday 03 January 2016 10:37:06 Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> >> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 10:02:59 -0500
> >>
> >> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >> >Greetings all;
> >> >
> >> >Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel
> >> > has been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime,
> >> > bringing up a requester that has a button labeled "allow and
> >> > remember", but it doesn't remember, you have to do it for every
> >> > flash presented.  Half of the time you click on it, the site has
> >> > timed out, so you hit reload hoping you can click the ok quick
> >> > enough to make it work THIS time. Usually it doesn't, so you
> >> > never get to read or see that story.
> >> >
> >> >And some news sites stories links are totally ignored, and some
> >> > get a "request entity to large" whatever the heck that is.
> >> >
> >> >So I installed googles chromium, but it crashes and you have to
> >> > use the reload button, hundreds of times a day.
> >> >
> >> >Konqueror is as emasculated as iceweasel.
> >> >
> >> >So I downloaded the vivaldi-beta deb, and tried to use apt-get to
> >> >install, but that spit out several dozen pages of E: lines and
> >> > didn't.
> >> >
> >> >So I stepped into the deb with mc, and copied its contents to the
> >> >directories it would have been put in, even ran the postinst
> >> > thing. Didn't run from a cli.
> >> >
> >> >Poking around in the installed stuff, I find an invalid link
> >> >in /opt/vivaldi-beta/libwidevinecdm.so to
> >> > /opt/google/libwidevinecdm.so, on checking that I find I don't
> >> > have it, as the google stuff in /opt is, and I quote
> >> > "/opt/google/fucked-google" which is an empty directory!
> >> >
> >> >Does anyone have a clue what that is all about?  googles idea of
> >> > an easter egg that disappears if you register chromium which I
> >> > assume turns it into chrome?
> >> >
> >> >Comments please, and what browser are you all using that doesn't
> >> > hassle the user to death, it Just Works, like firefox did 3 years
> >> > ago.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks all;
> >> >
> >> >Cheers, Gene Heskett
> >>
> >> Best thing I have found is a fork of firefox called Pale Moon. It
> >> uses some of the plugins and extensions from firefox, but around
> >> version 25. I installed it over a month ago, and have not had a
> >> crash since then.
> >>
> >> http://www.palemoon.org/
> >
> >Downloaded and installed the installer to my /home directory.  On
> > running it I am unable to progress beyond the download of the
> > tar.bz2, which I have now done twice because after the download, the
> > installer can't find it!
> >
> >Why?  Because it asks for my sudo password, and when iceweasel
> > downloads it, iceweasel is running as a sudo root, and puts the
> > download in /root/Downloads. It cautions about running the installer
> > as root in the readme's it showed me a few times.  I have no access
> > to the tarball as me, so whats next?
> >
> >Thank you.
> >
> >Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Throw that installer back in your /home. Run it as non-root, move the
> first window out of the way, and click on install.

I have done that, about 6 times now, it opens no other windows UNTIL I 
have given it my sudo passwd.

Since I have 2 copies of it sitting in /root/Downloads I think I'll have 
a root mc session move one of them back and if needed change the perms. 
Then look at it and see if I can do it without that broken script.  Or 
better yet, edit the script if I can see whats wrong.

Thanks.


IMO whoever wrote that script needs to take another look at it since they 
do NOT want root to install it.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: vivaldi?

[David Christensen]

On 01/03/2016 07:02 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel has
been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime, bringing up a
requester that has a button labeled "allow and remember", but it doesn't
remember, you have to do it for every flash presented.  Half of the time
you click on it, the site has timed out, so you hit reload hoping you
can click the ok quick enough to make it work THIS time. Usually it
doesn't, so you never get to read or see that story.

And some news sites stories links are totally ignored, and some get
a "request entity to large" whatever the heck that is.


On 01/03/2016 09:38 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Version 37.0.2062.120 Built on Debian 7.6, running on Debian 7.9 (281580)

I am loath to install software by circumventing the Apt package system 
-- doing so has destabilized my systems more times than I can count. 
For me, the path of least resistance is Debian stable with minimal 
customization.



Regarding IceWeasel on Wheezy, the default installation didn't seem to 
include support for Flash.  My guess is that the warning messages come 
from a JavaScript library (on the web server, or other Internet server) 
that detects the absence of an add-on to deal with the relevant MIME 
type.  Installing the following Debian package makes the warnings go 
away and allows me to watch videos on YouTube:


browser-plugin-gnash


David

Re: vivaldi?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 03 January 2016 17:38:23 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I find that Flash on Iceweasel and Google Chrome both work on Wheezy
> > for almost everything.  I don't use Iceweasel a lot because of all the
> > security issues.
>
> Yes flash generally works, if you can get past that damned requester fast
> enough.  But when you don't respond, most sites that count clicks just
> ignore you.  cbsnews being the worst, if the adv isn't seen, then you
> can't see the story either.

I just don't get this at all.  You must have something set somewhere asking 
for this behaviour.  Flash just plays.  

Lisi

Re: vivaldi?

[Charlie Kravetz]

On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 11:57:54 -0500
Gene Heskett  wrote:

>On Sunday 03 January 2016 10:37:06 Charlie Kravetz wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 10:02:59 -0500
>>
>> Gene Heskett  wrote:
>> >Greetings all;
>> >
>> >Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel has
>> >been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime, bringing up a
>> >requester that has a button labeled "allow and remember", but it
>> > doesn't remember, you have to do it for every flash presented.  Half
>> > of the time you click on it, the site has timed out, so you hit
>> > reload hoping you can click the ok quick enough to make it work THIS
>> > time. Usually it doesn't, so you never get to read or see that
>> > story.
>> >
>> >And some news sites stories links are totally ignored, and some get
>> >a "request entity to large" whatever the heck that is.
>> >
>> >So I installed googles chromium, but it crashes and you have to use
>> > the reload button, hundreds of times a day.
>> >
>> >Konqueror is as emasculated as iceweasel.
>> >
>> >So I downloaded the vivaldi-beta deb, and tried to use apt-get to
>> >install, but that spit out several dozen pages of E: lines and
>> > didn't.
>> >
>> >So I stepped into the deb with mc, and copied its contents to the
>> >directories it would have been put in, even ran the postinst thing.
>> >Didn't run from a cli.
>> >
>> >Poking around in the installed stuff, I find an invalid link
>> >in /opt/vivaldi-beta/libwidevinecdm.so to
>> > /opt/google/libwidevinecdm.so, on checking that I find I don't have
>> > it, as the google stuff in /opt is, and I quote
>> > "/opt/google/fucked-google" which is an empty directory!
>> >
>> >Does anyone have a clue what that is all about?  googles idea of an
>> >easter egg that disappears if you register chromium which I assume
>> > turns it into chrome?
>> >
>> >Comments please, and what browser are you all using that doesn't
>> > hassle the user to death, it Just Works, like firefox did 3 years
>> > ago.
>> >
>> >Thanks all;
>> >
>> >Cheers, Gene Heskett
>>
>> Best thing I have found is a fork of firefox called Pale Moon. It uses
>> some of the plugins and extensions from firefox, but around version
>> 25. I installed it over a month ago, and have not had a crash since
>> then.
>>
>> http://www.palemoon.org/
>
>Downloaded and installed the installer to my /home directory.  On running 
>it I am unable to progress beyond the download of the tar.bz2, which I 
>have now done twice because after the download, the installer can't find 
>it!
>
>Why?  Because it asks for my sudo password, and when iceweasel downloads 
>it, iceweasel is running as a sudo root, and puts the download 
>in /root/Downloads. It cautions about running the installer as root in 
>the readme's it showed me a few times.  I have no access to the tarball 
>as me, so whats next?
>
>Thank you.
>
>Cheers, Gene Heskett

Throw that installer back in your /home. Run it as non-root, move the
first window out of the way, and click on install.

-- 
Charlie Kravetz
Linux Registered User Number 425914
[http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com]

Re: vivaldi?

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 03 January 2016 12:21:17 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 03 January 2016 15:02:59 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > So I installed googles chromium,
>
> Which?  Google Chrome or chromium (debian package).

The latter.  From its about screen:

Version 37.0.2062.120 Built on Debian 7.6, running on Debian 7.9 (281580)

It was updated a few weeks back, which I had hoped would fix the 
crashing, but it made zero diff in that regard.

> > but it crashes and you have to use the
> > reload button, hundreds of times a day.
> >
> > Does anyone have a clue what that is all about?  googles idea of an
> > easter egg that disappears if you register chromium which I assume
> > turns it into chrome?
>
>  No, they are not the same thing.  There is chromium, which is a
> Debian package and Open Source, and Google Chrome, which is
> proprietary and Just Works (most of the time).
>
> > Comments please, and what browser are you all using that doesn't
> > hassle the user to death, it Just Works, like firefox did 3 years
> > ago.
>
> I find that Flash on Iceweasel and Google Chrome both work on Wheezy
> for almost everything.  I don't use Iceweasel a lot because of all the
> security issues.
>
Yes flash generally works, if you can get past that damned requester fast 
enough.  But when you don't respond, most sites that count clicks just 
ignore you.  cbsnews being the worst, if the adv isn't seen, then you 
can't see the story either.

> Lisi


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: vivaldi?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 03 January 2016 15:02:59 Gene Heskett wrote:
> So I installed googles chromium,

Which?  Google Chrome or chromium (debian package).

> but it crashes and you have to use the 
> reload button, hundreds of times a day.

> Does anyone have a clue what that is all about?  googles idea of an
> easter egg that disappears if you register chromium which I assume turns
> it into chrome?

 No, they are not the same thing.  There is chromium, which is a Debian 
package and Open Source, and Google Chrome, which is proprietary and Just 
Works (most of the time).

> Comments please, and what browser are you all using that doesn't hassle
> the user to death, it Just Works, like firefox did 3 years ago.

I find that Flash on Iceweasel and Google Chrome both work on Wheezy for 
almost everything.  I don't use Iceweasel a lot because of all the security 
issues.

Lisi

Re: vivaldi?

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 03 January 2016 10:55:29 Ric Moore wrote:

> On 01/03/2016 10:19 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 03 January 2016 10:13:31 Ric Moore wrote:
> >> On 01/03/2016 10:02 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >>> Greetings all;
> >>>
> >>> Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel
> >>> has been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime,
> >>> bringing up a requester that has a button labeled "allow and
> >>> remember", but it doesn't remember, you have to do it for every
> >>> flash presented.
> >>
> >> Just remove flash-block plugin. :) Ric
> >
> > Where, locate comes back without finding it.
>
> Either go into tools/addons to disable it or use synaptic to see if
> you installed the package. That should do the trick. :) Ric

Apparently I don't have any addons installed, all it shows me are the get 
addons choices. I have also looked thru the about:config screen without 
finding anything that looks suspect.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: vivaldi?

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 03 January 2016 10:37:06 Charlie Kravetz wrote:

> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 10:02:59 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >Greetings all;
> >
> >Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel has
> >been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime, bringing up a
> >requester that has a button labeled "allow and remember", but it
> > doesn't remember, you have to do it for every flash presented.  Half
> > of the time you click on it, the site has timed out, so you hit
> > reload hoping you can click the ok quick enough to make it work THIS
> > time. Usually it doesn't, so you never get to read or see that
> > story.
> >
> >And some news sites stories links are totally ignored, and some get
> >a "request entity to large" whatever the heck that is.
> >
> >So I installed googles chromium, but it crashes and you have to use
> > the reload button, hundreds of times a day.
> >
> >Konqueror is as emasculated as iceweasel.
> >
> >So I downloaded the vivaldi-beta deb, and tried to use apt-get to
> >install, but that spit out several dozen pages of E: lines and
> > didn't.
> >
> >So I stepped into the deb with mc, and copied its contents to the
> >directories it would have been put in, even ran the postinst thing.
> >Didn't run from a cli.
> >
> >Poking around in the installed stuff, I find an invalid link
> >in /opt/vivaldi-beta/libwidevinecdm.so to
> > /opt/google/libwidevinecdm.so, on checking that I find I don't have
> > it, as the google stuff in /opt is, and I quote
> > "/opt/google/fucked-google" which is an empty directory!
> >
> >Does anyone have a clue what that is all about?  googles idea of an
> >easter egg that disappears if you register chromium which I assume
> > turns it into chrome?
> >
> >Comments please, and what browser are you all using that doesn't
> > hassle the user to death, it Just Works, like firefox did 3 years
> > ago.
> >
> >Thanks all;
> >
> >Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Best thing I have found is a fork of firefox called Pale Moon. It uses
> some of the plugins and extensions from firefox, but around version
> 25. I installed it over a month ago, and have not had a crash since
> then.
>
> http://www.palemoon.org/

Downloaded and installed the installer to my /home directory.  On running 
it I am unable to progress beyond the download of the tar.bz2, which I 
have now done twice because after the download, the installer can't find 
it!

Why?  Because it asks for my sudo password, and when iceweasel downloads 
it, iceweasel is running as a sudo root, and puts the download 
in /root/Downloads. It cautions about running the installer as root in 
the readme's it showed me a few times.  I have no access to the tarball 
as me, so whats next?

Thank you.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: vivaldi?

[Charlie Kravetz]

On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 10:02:59 -0500
Gene Heskett  wrote:

>Greetings all;
>
>Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel has 
>been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime, bringing up a 
>requester that has a button labeled "allow and remember", but it doesn't 
>remember, you have to do it for every flash presented.  Half of the time 
>you click on it, the site has timed out, so you hit reload hoping you 
>can click the ok quick enough to make it work THIS time. Usually it 
>doesn't, so you never get to read or see that story.
>
>And some news sites stories links are totally ignored, and some get 
>a "request entity to large" whatever the heck that is.
>
>So I installed googles chromium, but it crashes and you have to use the 
>reload button, hundreds of times a day.
>
>Konqueror is as emasculated as iceweasel.
>
>So I downloaded the vivaldi-beta deb, and tried to use apt-get to 
>install, but that spit out several dozen pages of E: lines and didn't.
>
>So I stepped into the deb with mc, and copied its contents to the 
>directories it would have been put in, even ran the postinst thing.
>Didn't run from a cli.
>
>Poking around in the installed stuff, I find an invalid link 
>in /opt/vivaldi-beta/libwidevinecdm.so to /opt/google/libwidevinecdm.so, 
>on checking that I find I don't have it, as the google stuff in /opt is, 
>and I quote "/opt/google/fucked-google" which is an empty directory!
>
>Does anyone have a clue what that is all about?  googles idea of an 
>easter egg that disappears if you register chromium which I assume turns 
>it into chrome?
>
>Comments please, and what browser are you all using that doesn't hassle 
>the user to death, it Just Works, like firefox did 3 years ago.
>
>Thanks all;
>
>Cheers, Gene Heskett

Best thing I have found is a fork of firefox called Pale Moon. It uses
some of the plugins and extensions from firefox, but around version 25.
I installed it over a month ago, and have not had a crash since then.

http://www.palemoon.org/

-- 
Charlie Kravetz
Linux Registered User Number 425914
[http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com]

Re: vivaldi?

[Ric Moore]

On 01/03/2016 10:19 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Sunday 03 January 2016 10:13:31 Ric Moore wrote:


On 01/03/2016 10:02 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

Greetings all;

Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel
has been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime, bringing
up a requester that has a button labeled "allow and remember", but
it doesn't remember, you have to do it for every flash presented.


Just remove flash-block plugin. :) Ric


Where, locate comes back without finding it.


Either go into tools/addons to disable it or use synaptic to see if you 
installed the package. That should do the trick. :) Ric



--
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

Re: vivaldi?

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 03 January 2016 10:13:31 Ric Moore wrote:

> On 01/03/2016 10:02 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel
> > has been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime, bringing
> > up a requester that has a button labeled "allow and remember", but
> > it doesn't remember, you have to do it for every flash presented.
>
> Just remove flash-block plugin. :) Ric

Where, locate comes back without finding it.

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Re: vivaldi?

[Ric Moore]

On 01/03/2016 10:02 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

Greetings all;

Trying to find a web browser that actually works here.  iceweasel has
been so emasculated that it asks about flash everytime, bringing up a
requester that has a button labeled "allow and remember", but it doesn't
remember, you have to do it for every flash presented.


Just remove flash-block plugin. :) Ric


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