Re: what's the better mta?
George Bonser writes: > ...cnews allows you to easilly spool a few groups to a neighbor via UUCP. I also find it to require zero administration. -- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [EMAIL PROTECTED]Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what's the better mta?
On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > Is this really necessary? If you have only little news traffic, you should > consider the leafnode package. It is a zero-admin news server... easy to > configure, and very small. I would suggest newsX in that case instead of leafnode but cnews allows you to easilly spool a few groups to a neighbor via UUCP. George Bonser Why is it that the same people that tell us that manned space flight is a waste of money also tell us that we have been visited by aliens? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what's the better mta?
On Jul 29, George Bonser wrote: > > If you have one system that is your all-around linux box, I would suggest > that you go with cnews. Is this really necessary? If you have only little news traffic, you should consider the leafnode package. It is a zero-admin news server... easy to configure, and very small. > If you are setting up a dedicated news machine, > use INN and load it with as much RAM as you can afford plus a little more. > > > On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Bruno O. M. Simoes wrote: > > > Hi > > As I asked before, I also would like to know if there's a recomended _news_ > > server > > Regards > > Bruno Thank you, Marcus -- "Rhubarb is no Egyptian god." Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what's the better mta?
On Wed, Jul 30, 1997 at 11:48:25AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : Manoj Srivastava writes: : > Hacking sendmail.cf is a mindset. Once you get into it (lord help me, : > I've been there), there is an elegant simplicity about the rules. : : Perhaps someone who has gotten into sendmail could write a sendmail.cf : generator? I know about m4. It helps, but not enough. A wise man (Peter Gutman) once said... "HELO, my $name is sendmail.cf. Prepate to vi..." -- Jason Costomiris | Finger for PGP 2.6.2 Public Key [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "There is a fine line between idiocy My employers like me, but not| and genius. We aim to erase that line" enough to let me speak for them. | --Unknown http://www.jasons.org/~jcostom -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what's the better mta?
"jghasler" == jghasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: jghasler> Perhaps someone who has gotten into sendmail could write a jghasler> sendmail.cf generator? I know about m4. It helps, but not jghasler> enough. Actually this is precisely what Debian's "sendmailconfig" is supposed to do, at least for the most common cases. This is run during installation, so ideally people can get sendmail going without having to learn the m4 config language right away. - PGP E4 70 6E 59 80 6A F5 78 63 32 BC FB 7A 08 53 4C __ _Debian GNU Johnie Ingram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mm mm / /(_)_ __ _ ___ __"netgod"irc.linpeople.orgmm mm / / | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / m m m / /__| | | | | |_| |> < Those who do not understand UNIX mm mm \/_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\_\ are doomed to repeat it, poorly. GO BLUE -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what's the better mta?
On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Adrian Bridgett wrote: > I have just installed my own newsserver running inn. Why is cnews better? > Less resource hungry? Easier to setup? It is MUCH less resource hungry for a small site that must have its systems wear many hats. I use cnews+nntpd+msgidd (msgidd comes with nntpd but you will have to recompile it to get msgidd support) on a system with 5 feed sites (using a slightly hacked version of nntplink) with 32MB of RAM. Granted, they are not fill feeds, comp, sci, misc, bit, linux, and a few more but no alt.* to speak of. There are even patches available with nntplink to create a daemon version of relaynews but I have never used them. George Bonser Why is it that the same people that tell us that manned space flight is a waste of money also tell us that we have been visited by aliens? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what's the better mta?
Manoj Srivastava writes: > Hacking sendmail.cf is a mindset. Once you get into it (lord help me, > I've been there), there is an elegant simplicity about the rules. Perhaps someone who has gotten into sendmail could write a sendmail.cf generator? I know about m4. It helps, but not enough. -- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [EMAIL PROTECTED]Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what's the better mta?
On Jul 29, George Bonser wrote > > If you have one system that is your all-around linux box, I would suggest > that you go with cnews. If you are setting up a dedicated news machine, > use INN and load it with as much RAM as you can afford plus a little more. >From inn's description: INN is Debian's preferred news transport system. I have just installed my own newsserver running inn. Why is cnews better? Less resource hungry? Easier to setup? TIA Adrian -- .signature in post -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what's the better mta?
On Jul 29, Bruno O. M. Simoes wrote > I'm installing a linux box as mail server, and would like to know what is > the better MTA to use. > I'm thinking about smail, but I guess sendmail is most popular. > Anyway, I don't discard another mta, since it's realy good. I use exim and have been happy with it. It is based on smail (but re-written from scratch). It's easy to configure and comes with extensive (i.e. long but complete) documentation. Adrian -- .signature in post -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what's the better mta?
Hi, >>"George" == George Bonser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> You sound just like my wife, bless her heart. She advances equally >> cogent (near identical, in fact) arguments detailing to me exactly >> why Microsoft operating sytems are so much, much better than the >> garbage that Unix puts out. George> Now, now. I was not talking about being brain dead, just George> talking about saftware that you can program in language that George> is more like what you think in rather than in code. You're right, that wsa a cheap shot. I do apologize. I was merely defending an extremely useful and facile program. It is quite the rage, righ now, to malign sendmail, and with some justofocation. Sendmail.cf has one of the highest learning curves in the business. Hacking sendmail.cf is a mindset. Once you get into it (lord help me, I've been there), there is an elegant simplicity about the rules. Sendmail, though quite complicated to configure, allows for some fairly sophisticated mail handling. Sometimes I think that gets lost in the noise. manoj -- Chaotic Evil means never having to say you're sorry. Manoj Srivastava mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mobile, Alabama USAhttp://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what's the better mta?
Jason Costomiris writes: > On Tue, Jul 29, 1997 at 08:52:47AM -0700, George Bonser wrote: > : > : I use smail. It is a lot easier to get configured than sendmail and there > : have been fewer security problems with it. If you have a small site, run > : it out of inetd and use your hosts.allow and hosts.deny to manage access > : if you are connected to the net full time. > > The problem with smail is that you are vulnerable to being used as a > spam relay. With sendmail, qmail or exim, I can turn that off. Here's Only 'til Soenke makes a new release. Should be come soon. Regards Joey -- / Martin Schulze * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * 26129 Oldenburg / / No question is too silly to ask, / /but, of course, some are too silly to answer -- perl book / -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what's the better mta?
> You sound just like my wife, bless her heart. She advances
> equally cogent (near identical, in fact) arguments detailing to me
> exactly why Microsoft operating sytems are so much, much better than
> the garbage that Unix puts out.
Now, now. I was not talking about being brain dead, just talking about
saftware that you can program in language that is more like what you think
in rather than in code.
I find no comparison between exim and any Windows programs. It simply
takes expressions written in a human language rather than a machine
language. If you are in a jam and mail is bouncing and you are in a big
hurry to get it fixed, I think that it is a bit easier (for me) to think
in english than in #*&$^#*&$^&^#%^#.
>
> To both of you, I say that there is a place for everything,
> and lots of people do prefer simplicity.
>
> manoj
> perl -wMMath::BigInt -e'$^V=new Math::BigInt+qq;$^F$^W783$[$%9889$^F47$|88768
> $^W596577669$%$^W5$^F3364$[$^W$^F$|838747$[8889739$%$|$^F673$%$^W98$^F76777$=
> 56;;$^U=$]*(q.25..([EMAIL
> PROTECTED]))=>do{print+chr$^V%$^U;$^V/=$^U}while$^V!=$^W'
>
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Re: what's the better mta?
Hi,
>>"George" == George Bonser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
George> All that gibberish that you posted concerning rulesets is one
George> of the main reasons that I trashed sendmail after using for
George> about a year.
George> If I had a smtp only site, I would use exim. The relay policy
George> is very clear and simple to configure. None of that
George> &@%#%^&$##$ $*(&^#$# garbage that sendmail uses.
You sound just like my wife, bless her heart. She advances
equally cogent (near identical, in fact) arguments detailing to me
exactly why Microsoft operating sytems are so much, much better than
the garbage that Unix puts out.
To both of you, I say that there is a place for everything,
and lots of people do prefer simplicity.
manoj
perl -wMMath::BigInt -e'$^V=new Math::BigInt+qq;$^F$^W783$[$%9889$^F47$|88768
$^W596577669$%$^W5$^F3364$[$^W$^F$|838747$[8889739$%$|$^F673$%$^W98$^F76777$=
56;;$^U=$]*(q.25..([EMAIL
PROTECTED]))=>do{print+chr$^V%$^U;$^V/=$^U}while$^V!=$^W'
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Re: what's the better mta?
On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Jason Costomiris wrote: > > The problem with smail is that you are vulnerable to being used as a > spam relay. Unles you put something like Blackmail ( ftp.bitgate.com) in front of it. > With sendmail, qmail or exim, I can turn that off. Here's > a sample sendmail .mc file, which gets used with the m4 macros to generate > your sendmail.cf... This includes spam rejection/relay protection. This > spits out a *working* (no tweaking required) sendmail.cf, complete with > the ability to do virtual hosts and rewrite outgoing addresses. It also > replaces the Mprog mailer with smrsh, instead of bash, which takes care of > a large portion of sendmail holes. THe latest smail (not included with debian) has PLENTY of anti-relay protection. All that gibberish that you posted concerning rulesets is one of the main reasons that I trashed sendmail after using for about a year. If I had a smtp only site, I would use exim. The relay policy is very clear and simple to configure. None of that &@%#%^&$##$ $*(&^#$# garbage that sendmail uses. George Bonser Why is it that the same people that tell us that manned space flight is a waste of money also tell us that we have been visited by aliens? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what's the better mta?
On Tue, Jul 29, 1997 at 08:52:47AM -0700, George Bonser wrote:
:
: I use smail. It is a lot easier to get configured than sendmail and there
: have been fewer security problems with it. If you have a small site, run
: it out of inetd and use your hosts.allow and hosts.deny to manage access
: if you are connected to the net full time.
The problem with smail is that you are vulnerable to being used as a
spam relay. With sendmail, qmail or exim, I can turn that off. Here's
a sample sendmail .mc file, which gets used with the m4 macros to generate
your sendmail.cf... This includes spam rejection/relay protection. This
spits out a *working* (no tweaking required) sendmail.cf, complete with
the ability to do virtual hosts and rewrite outgoing addresses. It also
replaces the Mprog mailer with smrsh, instead of bash, which takes care of
a large portion of sendmail holes.
divert(-1)
#
# /etc/spamlist: domains, one per line to deny mail from
# /etc/LocalIP: local IP addresses
#
# Happy spam thwarting.
#
divert(0)dnl
VERSIONID(`@(#)lart.mc 8.8.5 (dogbert.sjis.com) 4/24/97')
OSTYPE(linux)dnl
FEATURE(always_add_domain)dnl
FEATURE(use_cw_file)dnl
FEATURE(`virtusertable',`hash -o /etc/virtusertable')dnl
FEATURE(`genericstable',`hash -o /etc/genericstable')dnl
FEATURE(use_ct_file)dnl
FEATURE(nouucp)dnl
FEATURE(local_procmail, /usr/bin/procmail)dnl
define(`confME_TOO', True)dnl
FEATURE(`smrsh', `/usr/sbin/smrsh')dnl
MAILER(local)dnl
MAILER(smtp)dnl
MASQUERADE_AS(yoursite.goeshere.com)dnl
LOCAL_CONFIG
F{SpamList} /etc/spamlist
F{LocalIP} /etc/LocalIP
LOCAL_RULESETS
Scheck_rcpt
# first: get client addr
R$+ $: $(dequote "" $&{client_addr} $) $| $1
R0 $| $*$@ ok no client addr: directly invoked
R$={LocalIP}$* $| $*$@ ok from here
# not local, check rcpt
R$* $| $* $: $>3 $2
# remove local part, maybe repeatedly
R$*<@$=w.>$*$>3 $1 $3
# still something left?
R$*<@$+>$* $#error $@ 5.7.1 $: 571 we do not relay
Scheck_compat
R<$+> $| $+ $1 $| $2
R$+ $| <$+> $1 $| $2
R$+ ! $+ ! $+ $| $+ [EMAIL PROTECTED] $| $4
R$* @ $* $={SpamList} $| $* $# error $: 552 SpamFilter: email from
junkmailer's domains not accepted.
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Re: what's the better mta?
On Tue, Jul 29, 1997 at 12:03:15PM -0300, Bruno O. M. Simoes wrote: : So my question is wich is the most used, principally because I want to have : a good support, anyway. I would take some like "exim" that must to be good, : but a small people know it. Sendmail is definitely the most popular/best supported. 99% of all the problems associated with sendmail can be corrected by just reading a bit, and deciding on a reasonable configuration, rather than blindly accepting the defaults. -- Jason Costomiris | Finger for PGP 2.6.2 Public Key [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "There is a fine line between idiocy My employers like me, but not| and genius. We aim to erase that line" enough to let me speak for them. | --Unknown http://www.jasons.org/~jcostom -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what's the better mta?
I use smail. It is a lot easier to get configured than sendmail and there have been fewer security problems with it. If you have a small site, run it out of inetd and use your hosts.allow and hosts.deny to manage access if you are connected to the net full time. On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Bruno O. M. Simoes wrote: > Hi > I'm installing a linux box as mail server, and would like to know what is > the better MTA to use. > I'm thinking about smail, but I guess sendmail is most popular. > Anyway, I don't discard another mta, since it's realy good. > Do you have any sugestion? > thank you > Bruno > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > George Bonser Why is it that the same people that tell us that manned space flight is a waste of money also tell us that we have been visited by aliens? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what's the better mta?
If you have one system that is your all-around linux box, I would suggest that you go with cnews. If you are setting up a dedicated news machine, use INN and load it with as much RAM as you can afford plus a little more. On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Bruno O. M. Simoes wrote: > Hi > As I asked before, I also would like to know if there's a recomended _news_ > server > Regards > Bruno > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > George Bonser Why is it that the same people that tell us that manned space flight is a waste of money also tell us that we have been visited by aliens? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what's the better mta?
On Jul 29, Bruno O. M. Simoes wrote > >If you're not familiar with any mta it would be a good idea > >to install one and try to configure it. If you fail, purge > >it and install the next one. You'll find the mta you like > >best. > So my question is wich is the most used, principally because I want to have > a good support, anyway. I would take some like "exim" that must to be good, > but a small people know it. I believe Smail is well supported, sendmail, too. Although only few people really are familiar with it. If you need some freakin' setup get a sendmail guru first and then decide to use it. Exim might be supported well, too. I haven't seen q+a about it. Qmail is well supported and zmailer... hmm... someone tried to re-package it, that's all I know. Regards Joey -- Individual Network e.V._/ OrgaTech [EMAIL PROTECTED]_/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Geschaeftszeit: Di+Mi+Fr, 15-18 Uhr _/Tel: (0441) 9808556 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what's the better mta?
Hi Joey >Using Debian GNU/Linux you are able to use some different MTAs. I know this... >You shoul depend your decision which one to use on you personal >experiences and your needs. You're right. >The question 'which is the better mta' can't be answered. >It's the same as with 'is emacs better than vi' &c. I agree. >If you're not familiar with any mta it would be a good idea >to install one and try to configure it. If you fail, purge >it and install the next one. You'll find the mta you like >best. So my question is wich is the most used, principally because I want to have a good support, anyway. I would take some like "exim" that must to be good, but a small people know it. Regards Bruno > >Joey > >-- >Individual Network e.V._/ OrgaTech >[EMAIL PROTECTED]_/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Geschaeftszeit: Di+Mi+Fr, 15-18 Uhr _/Tel: (0441) 9808556 > > >-- >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] . >Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what's the better mta?
On Jul 29, Bruno O. M. Simoes wrote > I'm installing a linux box as mail server, and would like to know what is > the better MTA to use. > I'm thinking about smail, but I guess sendmail is most popular. > Anyway, I don't discard another mta, since it's realy good. > Do you have any sugestion? Using Debian GNU/Linux you are able to use some different MTAs. You shoul depend your decision which one to use on you personal experiences and your needs. The question 'which is the better mta' can't be answered. It's the same as with 'is emacs better than vi' &c. If you're not familiar with any mta it would be a good idea to install one and try to configure it. If you fail, purge it and install the next one. You'll find the mta you like best. Joey -- Individual Network e.V._/ OrgaTech [EMAIL PROTECTED]_/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Geschaeftszeit: Di+Mi+Fr, 15-18 Uhr _/Tel: (0441) 9808556 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
