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Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 01:06:02 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 03:55:24PM +, Camaleón wrote: >> I also followed "Linux Devices¹" (linux hardware related news) but has >> been recently adquired by a big magazine and the feeds are now gone :-( >> >> ¹http://www.linuxfordevices.com/ > > It seems to be back: > http://www.linuxfordevices.com/rss.xml I don't think so. The last feed there is dated on "2012-02-03", which means no news since 2 months. Anyway, after reading this article¹ coming from one of the original magazine authors (and having verified what it says) , I'm very reluctant to trust "linuxfordevices.com" and I don't think I'm adding that RSS source anymore. ¹http://www.angel.org/gadgetsense/?p=117 Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jmcpgm$2dp$8...@dough.gmane.org
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 03:55:24PM +, Camaleón wrote: > I also followed "Linux Devices¹" (linux hardware related news) but > has been recently adquired by a big magazine and the feeds are now > gone :-( > > ¹http://www.linuxfordevices.com/ It seems to be back: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/rss.xml -- "Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." -- Napoleon Bonaparte -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120414130602.GG28159@tal
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:30:13 +0700, Sthu wrote in message <4f7e7f68.119dcc0a.4d65.b...@mx.google.com>: > > >http://www.linux-magazine.com/rss/feed/lmi_full > >http://feeds.feedburner.com/LinuxMagazine > >http://feeds.feedburner.com/linuxjournalcom > >http://feeds.feedburner.com/Phoronix > >http://rss.slashdot.org/Slashdot/slashdot > > Thanks much for the links! ..you are using the ">" quote character where you should use the "> " quote "character" (combination), this causes real messy quote confusion with mail clients. ..in Claws Mail, menu bar option "Configuration" -> "Preferences" -> left side bar option "Compose" -> "Templates" -> middle tab option "Reply": Find the "Quotation mark" text window, and add a space character immediately after the ">". ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120411141105.26233...@nb6.lan
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 16:57:34 + (UTC), Camaleón wrote in message : > I prefer keep things separate (kinda "divide and conquer" approach), ..you've had any personal experiences become, um, legends? ;o) > that's why I use: > > - Pan (as newsreader for reading/post to mailing lists) ..me, I use Pan for newsgroup or UseNet reading, and claws-mail for mail lists and related stuff. > - Mutt (as e-mail client for personal things) > - Thunderbird (as e-mail client for work) > - Liferea (as news feeder for reading web magazines and newspapers) > > (heck, I now realize why my RAM consumption reaches up to "1.5 > GiB" :-P) > > I can easily use Thunderbird as e-mail client, newsreader and also > feed reader and thus removing two programs but I don't like mix up > these things and dedicated applications have their own advantages. > > Greetings, > -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120411140822.6f2f7...@nb6.lan
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
Good time of the day, Camaleón. Thank You again, for Your time and answer. You worte: >Feeds that have been read are not bolded (plain text style) while >unread feads are. In Liferea there's also an icon indicating the feed >current status (unread, updated...). You can also toggle on/off the >read status at your convenience. And it stays cached till it being removed on server - then removed from disc too? Or it remains there forever? What about this? :o/ >That's why RSS stands for "Really Simple Syndication" (note the >"really simple") :-P I see. ;o) Sthu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f83bc62.8439cc0a.4633.e...@mx.google.com
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 23:22:55 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: > Good time of the day, Camaleón. > > > Thank You for Your time and answer. > You worte: > >>It seems not to be a bug but how it works. What would be "a bug" is the >>behaviour I get in version 1.4, where deleted feeds are not recreated >>after updating the channel. >> >>> I will try other in case it will take too long - fixing the issue. >> >>Yup, that's the way to go. I don't think Liferea devels are going to >>change their mind in this regard :-) > > Then how do You/users differ the mess of read/unread feeds?! Easy peasy. Feeds that have been read are not bolded (plain text style) while unread feads are. In Liferea there's also an icon indicating the feed current status (unread, updated...). You can also toggle on/off the read status at your convenience. That's why RSS stands for "Really Simple Syndication" (note the "really simple") :-P Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jlv4o3$ss9$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
Good time of the day, Camaleón. Thank You for Your time and answer. You worte: >It seems not to be a bug but how it works. What would be "a bug" is >the behaviour I get in version 1.4, where deleted feeds are not >recreated after updating the channel. > >> I will try other in case it will take too long - fixing the issue. > >Yup, that's the way to go. I don't think Liferea devels are going to >change their mind in this regard :-) Then how do You/users differ the mess of read/unread feeds?! Sthu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f830ce6.0c7ecd0a.4682.a...@mx.google.com
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:26:21 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: > Good time of the day, Camaleón. > > > You worte: > >>Oops, that seems to be the case: >> >>Liferea downloads again and again deleted feed entries >>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liferea/+bug/659914 >> >>If that "logic" still applies, maybe you have to search a "new home" for >>your feeds :-) > > I have bug reported that too - though do not know if it wise - but may > Debian's maintainers will be faster in contacting w/ the developers. ;o) It seems not to be a bug but how it works. What would be "a bug" is the behaviour I get in version 1.4, where deleted feeds are not recreated after updating the channel. > I will try other in case it will take too long - fixing the issue. Yup, that's the way to go. I don't think Liferea devels are going to change their mind in this regard :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jluou6$ss9$7...@dough.gmane.org
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
Good time of the day, Camaleón. You worte: >Oops, that seems to be the case: > >Liferea downloads again and again deleted feed entries >https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liferea/+bug/659914 > >If that "logic" still applies, maybe you have to search a "new home" >for your feeds :-) I have bug reported that too - though do not know if it wise - but may Debian's maintainers will be faster in contacting w/ the developers. ;o) I will try other in case it will take too long - fixing the issue. Thanks for Your help! Sthu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f828f26.5031cc0a.74fe.8...@mx.google.com
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
Good time of the day, Camaleón. Thank You for Your time and answer. You worte: >> PK. You have convicted me w/ advantages of feeds over email. > >Hope this has no bad drawbacks :-) We'll see. :o) >> One thing that troubles my hearts - is it possible in the readers to >> remove items in a way that it never appears again on the list when >> the feeds are updated? >> >> I have tried w/ liferea - and it truly has more features than the >> claws-mail's plug-in - but to my sorrow it again re-lists the removed >> items so that I read through it again. >> >> Any idea? OR You simply discern it by read/unread tokens in font? > >Mmmm, there's an option (for every feed source) you can configure to >disable cache, not sure about what it does :-? I will tell You what it does. :o) - Adjusting it I have the number of the items I can see for present: say, I set it to zero - I see nothing at all, 10 - 10, and so on. But it in no way helps me in keep things in order - after I have read all the items (say, cache is set to 10) - then on feed update I get those very same feeds - just less in number. :o) >But now you tell... I have no special configuration for the feeds (all >use cache and are automatically managed by the app) but if I manually >deleted one feed, quit from Liferea, start it again and I update that >rss chanel, the feed I deleted is not coming back. Well, to me it behaves same way - no matter to quit or stay - on update all deleted items appear again. :o( >I'm using and old Liferea (1.4.18) so this could have been changed in >updated versions (or can be indeed seen as a bug :-P). What version >are you running? I believe so it was w/ me, but w/ new one it is a dilemma. - Nice You have mentioned that - I forgot that fact - so, I will bug report it. Sthu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f828d55.4527cc0a.670b.8...@mx.google.com
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 15:58:19 +, Camaleón wrote: >> I have tried w/ liferea - and it truly has more features than the >> claws-mail's plug-in - but to my sorrow it again re-lists the removed >> items so that I read through it again. >> >> Any idea? OR You simply discern it by read/unread tokens in font? > > Mmmm, there's an option (for every feed source) you can configure to > disable cache, not sure about what it does :-? > > But now you tell... I have no special configuration for the feeds (all > use cache and are automatically managed by the app) but if I manually > deleted one feed, quit from Liferea, start it again and I update that > rss chanel, the feed I deleted is not coming back. > > I'm using and old Liferea (1.4.18) so this could have been changed in > updated versions (or can be indeed seen as a bug :-P). (...) Oops, that seems to be the case: Liferea downloads again and again deleted feed entries https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liferea/+bug/659914 If that "logic" still applies, maybe you have to search a "new home" for your feeds :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jlsduu$f2u$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 22:15:21 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: > Good time of the day, Camaleón. > > > Thank You for Your time and answer: > > (snipped) > >>As I said, I think they're following different targets although the >>above is not always so, I mean, you can find a company using e-mail >>based alerts in a very similar way it does RSS and viceversa (you can >>get very, very long and detailed RSS feeds, holding images, audio, >>etc...). > > PK. You have convicted me w/ advantages of feeds over email. Hope this has no bad drawbacks :-) > One thing that troubles my hearts - is it possible in the readers to > remove items in a way that it never appears again on the list when the > feeds are updated? > > I have tried w/ liferea - and it truly has more features than the > claws-mail's plug-in - but to my sorrow it again re-lists the removed > items so that I read through it again. > > Any idea? OR You simply discern it by read/unread tokens in font? Mmmm, there's an option (for every feed source) you can configure to disable cache, not sure about what it does :-? But now you tell... I have no special configuration for the feeds (all use cache and are automatically managed by the app) but if I manually deleted one feed, quit from Liferea, start it again and I update that rss chanel, the feed I deleted is not coming back. I'm using and old Liferea (1.4.18) so this could have been changed in updated versions (or can be indeed seen as a bug :-P). What version are you running? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jlscir$f2u$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
Good time of the day, Camaleón. Thank You for Your time and answer: (snipped) >As I said, I think they're following different targets although the >above is not always so, I mean, you can find a company using e-mail >based alerts in a very similar way it does RSS and viceversa (you can >get very, very long and detailed RSS feeds, holding images, audio, >etc...). PK. You have convicted me w/ advantages of feeds over email. One thing that troubles my hearts - is it possible in the readers to remove items in a way that it never appears again on the list when the feeds are updated? I have tried w/ liferea - and it truly has more features than the claws-mail's plug-in - but to my sorrow it again re-lists the removed items so that I read through it again. Any idea? OR You simply discern it by read/unread tokens in font? Thank You ,again. Sthu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f81ab91.5051cd0a.3f65.5...@mx.google.com
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 07:52:53 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 04:57:34PM +, Camaleón wrote: >> - Pan (as newsreader for reading/post to mailing lists) - Mutt (as >> e-mail client for personal things) - Thunderbird (as e-mail client for >> work) - Liferea (as news feeder for reading web magazines and >> newspapers) >> >> (heck, I now realize why my RAM consumption reaches up to "1.5 GiB" >> :-P) > > I like rawdog for a lightweight agregator. Although its ~350 KiB (uncompressed size) made my eyes round as plates, is too simple to my liking :-) If I were using a lightweight DE or window manager it would be a perfect companion but using a full GNOME3 with gnome-shell I expect more integration between the RSS reader with its environment. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jls62n$f2u$4...@dough.gmane.org
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 04:57:34PM +, Camaleón wrote: > - Pan (as newsreader for reading/post to mailing lists) > - Mutt (as e-mail client for personal things) > - Thunderbird (as e-mail client for work) > - Liferea (as news feeder for reading web magazines and newspapers) > > (heck, I now realize why my RAM consumption reaches up to "1.5 GiB" :-P) I like rawdog for a lightweight agregator. -- "Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." -- Napoleon Bonaparte -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120407195253.GL5514@tal
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 10:38:49 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: (...) >> Because I consider news (rss feeds) to be a "temporary" source of bits >> (read and ditch) I don't want to "store" anywhere but just help to keep >> me updated/informed (they also allow me to avoid browsing the >> newspapers websites full of advertizing materials). Basically, I use >> rss feeds as a modern incarnation of the teletype: it's fast, simple >> and gets to the point. >> >> > Well. I think the email subscription of news does the same - first sends > You the material You have chosen, then You can easily delete it as any > other message. Seems same to tme? - But what is comfortable - I use the > very same program - the email client for both, whereas in case of using > feeds - I have to use for the very same purposes already two programs - > I can not call it wise, or s oit seems to me. Well, kind of... the main difference I see between e-mail based newsletters/alerts and RSS based ones is about: - Time: RSS feeds are usually updated quicker that e-mail alerts - Content: E-mail subscriptions usually include the complete (self- contained) data (full text story, images and even attached PDF or multimedia files), while RSS is usually a two-step system, you first get a snippet of the news and if you're interested in expanding the information you can follow the link to the complete source. - Transport channel: E-mail can have its own issues (spam handling, mail service blackouts, you need and account where to receive the subscriptions...) while atom/xml based feeds are less picky and they can be reached/fetched with no special tool nor additional requirement other than having an Internet connection. As I said, I think they're following different targets although the above is not always so, I mean, you can find a company using e-mail based alerts in a very similar way it does RSS and viceversa (you can get very, very long and detailed RSS feeds, holding images, audio, etc...). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jlpppb$60e$7...@dough.gmane.org
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
Good time of the day, Camaleón.
Thank You for Your time and extended answer!
You worte:
> Well, I am new to RSS, I have tried it w/ claws-mail plug-in and did not
> > like that I was unable to remove the read feeds permanently - that is it
> > was removed until next feeds update. Therefore, I like email
> > subscriptions more.
>
> I see.
>
> I can't tell for RRSyl plugin because I don't know how it works nor what
> it supports/features but many RSS readers can be configured in that
> regard (when/what to delete/archive), but what I do with RSS feeds is
> just keeping them for a period of time (which varies depending on the
> number of the updates a channel provides) and then they are automatically
> replaced by new content, which is the default approach, I guess. I don't
> store them in the disk unless Liferea (my rss reader) is doing it to keep
> its own caching.
>
> Seems I have to forget about the claws-mail plug-in and try the
specialized programs - For I like order and the mixture of read/unread
messages is annoying to me.
> > The one subscription I had before time wearied me w/ their swearing
> > (basically in linux software - I understand that the developers involved
> > may be immoral - but why spread it by news makers?!) so I had to decline
> > it. :o/ And now I am looking for replacement.
>
> Fair decision.
>
Oh! Thank You! I feel inspired to go on for good! :o)
> And now you tell, I was subscribed by e-mail to some techie magazines
> written in Spanish ("Kriptopolis", "RED"...) but I quitted because their
> editoral line was somehow changed as times goes on and well, I didn't
> like much the new one. I suppose the argument will sound you fairly
> familar ;-)
>
May be. :o)
> > Why do You prefer feeds over email, in case it is not a secret? ;o)
>
>
> I can tell you the secret but I'll have to destroy you afterwards...
>
>
Oh that's the end! :o)
> Because I consider news (rss feeds) to be a "temporary" source of bits
> (read and ditch) I don't want to "store" anywhere but just help to keep
> me updated/informed (they also allow me to avoid browsing the newspapers
> websites full of advertizing materials). Basically, I use rss feeds as a
> modern incarnation of the teletype: it's fast, simple and gets to the
> point.
>
Well. I think the email subscription of news does the same - first sends
You the material You have chosen, then You can easily delete it as any
other message. Seems same to tme? - But what is comfortable - I use the
very same program - the email client for both, whereas in case of using
feeds - I have to use for the very same purposes already two programs - I
can not call it wise, or s oit seems to me.
> For e-mails I have a quite different (and costly) policy, I store
> messages for years and years... and years. Yup, I know, like someone
> suffering from "Diogenes syndrome" but for e-mails O:-)
>
>
Oh, then I see the difference for You. ;o)
OK. Thank You, Camaleón for Your letter - it is always a pleasure and
profit to me - to read from You. ;o)
Have a good time!
Sthu.
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 12:30:13 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote:
> Good time of the day, Camaleón.
>
>
> Thank You for Your time and answer.
> You worte:
>
>>Sure, these are RSS feeds, no e-mail subscriptions anymore :-)
>
> Well, I am new to RSS, I have tried it w/ claws-mail plug-in and did not
> like that I was unable to remove the read feeds permanently - that is it
> was removed until next feeds update. Therefore, I like email
> subscriptions more.
I see.
I can't tell for RRSyl plugin because I don't know how it works nor what
it supports/features but many RSS readers can be configured in that
regard (when/what to delete/archive), but what I do with RSS feeds is
just keeping them for a period of time (which varies depending on the
number of the updates a channel provides) and then they are automatically
replaced by new content, which is the default approach, I guess. I don't
store them in the disk unless Liferea (my rss reader) is doing it to keep
its own caching.
> The one subscription I had before time wearied me w/ their swearing
> (basically in linux software - I understand that the developers involved
> may be immoral - but why spread it by news makers?!) so I had to decline
> it. :o/ And now I am looking for replacement.
Fair decision.
And now you tell, I was subscribed by e-mail to some techie magazines
written in Spanish ("Kriptopolis", "RED"...) but I quitted because their
editoral line was somehow changed as times goes on and well, I didn't
like much the new one. I suppose the argument will sound you fairly
familar ;-)
> Why do You prefer feeds over email, in case it is not a secret? ;o)
I can tell you the secret but I'll have to destroy you afterwards...
Because I consider news (rss feeds) to be a "temporary" source of bits
(read and ditch) I don't want to "store" anywhere but just help to keep
me updated/informed (they also allow me to avoid browsing the newspapers
websites full of advertizing materials). Basically, I use rss feeds as a
modern incarnation of the teletype: it's fast, simple and gets to the
point.
For e-mails I have a quite different (and costly) policy, I store
messages for years and years... and years. Yup, I know, like someone
suffering from "Diogenes syndrome" but for e-mails O:-)
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Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
Good time of the day, Kelly. Thank You for Your time and answer. You worte: >Although I use atom feeds a lot, I am thinking of using an atom to >email converter, especially if I set up a desktop email client. Would You share Your feeds choice? Sthu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f7e8456.8843cc0a.3be4.b...@mx.google.com
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
Good time of the day, Camaleón. Thank You for Your time and answer. You worte: >Sure, these are RSS feeds, no e-mail subscriptions anymore :-) Well, I am new to RSS, I have tried it w/ claws-mail plug-in and did not like that I was unable to remove the read feeds permanently - that is it was removed until next feeds update. Therefore, I like email subscriptions more. The one subscription I had before time wearied me w/ their swearing (basically in linux software - I understand that the developers involved may be immoral - but why spread it by news makers?!) so I had to decline it. :o/ And now I am looking for replacement. Why do You prefer feeds over email, in case it is not a secret? ;o) >http://www.linux-magazine.com/rss/feed/lmi_full >http://feeds.feedburner.com/LinuxMagazine >http://feeds.feedburner.com/linuxjournalcom >http://feeds.feedburner.com/Phoronix >http://rss.slashdot.org/Slashdot/slashdot Thanks much for the links! Sthu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f7e7f68.119dcc0a.4d65.b...@mx.google.com
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
Good time of the day, Kelly. Thank You for Your time and answer. You worte: >Not totally sure what you mean, are you looking for email lists and >rss/atom feeds to subscribe to? I'm looking for email / feed subscriptions - the news come to email box or feeds program. It is the email list subscription. >Personally, for mailing lists, I read Debian-User, Debian-Maintainer >and Debian-Developer. > >For feeds, I read a bunch of the Planets: Fedora, Gnome, KDE, Debian, >Freedesktop.org, Mozilla, HTML5, Jabber > >I also read feeds from Phoronix, LWN, Ars Technica Oh, that's great, thank You. Sthu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f7e7819.0bbccc0a.6c9a.a...@mx.google.com
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
Good time of the day, richard. You worte: >I think you may have contacted me by accident, as I the most evil >person on the debian list at the moment, unless it was a genuine >request Hmm. How did I ? I wrote to the list, and not to You directly, neither I knew Your email. Sthu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f7e76ab.cde7cc0a.2d6b.a...@mx.google.com
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
In linux.debian.user, Kelly Clowers wrote: > > Interesting, I always get bored by the actual magazines, and they are > so abstracted and removed from the community... > Usually the closer I get to the community and devs, the more I enjoy it. > > Although I use atom feeds a lot, I am thinking of using an atom to > email converter, especially if I set up a desktop email client. > I have used rss2email before, it works quite well. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120404174506.GA23643@radhesyama
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 09:08:57 -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 08:55, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 22:26:51 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote:
>>
>>> Can You recommend the debian / linux / free-software free
>>> email-subscription / feeds - the ones You prefer?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for Your time and advice.
>>
>> Sure, these are RSS feeds, no e-mail subscriptions anymore :-)
>>
>> http://www.linux-magazine.com/rss/feed/lmi_full
>> http://feeds.feedburner.com/LinuxMagazine
>> http://feeds.feedburner.com/linuxjournalcom
>> http://feeds.feedburner.com/Phoronix
>> http://rss.slashdot.org/Slashdot/slashdot
>>
>> I also followed "Linux Devices¹" (linux hardware related news) but has
>> been recently adquired by a big magazine and the feeds are now gone :-(
>>
>> ¹http://www.linuxfordevices.com/
>>
>>
> Interesting, I always get bored by the actual magazines, and they are so
> abstracted and removed from the community... Usually the closer I get to
> the community and devs, the more I enjoy it.
:-)
They're mostly written for a non-technical audience and sometimes is
reassuring reading things in plain parlance.
I also visit from time to time "Debian Planet", a very good source to get
in touch with Debian forthcoming stuff. And also follow a couple of
general security feeds ("Security Focus" and "US-CERT") to keep in touch
with the latests security holes.
> Although I use atom feeds a lot, I am thinking of using an atom to email
> converter, especially if I set up a desktop email client.
I prefer keep things separate (kinda "divide and conquer" approach),
that's why I use:
- Pan (as newsreader for reading/post to mailing lists)
- Mutt (as e-mail client for personal things)
- Thunderbird (as e-mail client for work)
- Liferea (as news feeder for reading web magazines and newspapers)
(heck, I now realize why my RAM consumption reaches up to "1.5 GiB" :-P)
I can easily use Thunderbird as e-mail client, newsreader and also feed
reader and thus removing two programs but I don't like mix up these
things and dedicated applications have their own advantages.
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Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 08:55, Camaleón wrote: > On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 22:26:51 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: > >> Can You recommend the debian / linux / free-software free >> email-subscription / feeds - the ones You prefer? >> >> >> Thanks for Your time and advice. > > Sure, these are RSS feeds, no e-mail subscriptions anymore :-) > > http://www.linux-magazine.com/rss/feed/lmi_full > http://feeds.feedburner.com/LinuxMagazine > http://feeds.feedburner.com/linuxjournalcom > http://feeds.feedburner.com/Phoronix > http://rss.slashdot.org/Slashdot/slashdot > > I also followed "Linux Devices¹" (linux hardware related news) but > has been recently adquired by a big magazine and the feeds are now > gone :-( > > ¹http://www.linuxfordevices.com/ > Interesting, I always get bored by the actual magazines, and they are so abstracted and removed from the community... Usually the closer I get to the community and devs, the more I enjoy it. Although I use atom feeds a lot, I am thinking of using an atom to email converter, especially if I set up a desktop email client. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-Eyad+Gy=ymjpazzgkn5z7zlw-0l2mcmnepsopy7i...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 08:26, Sthu Deus wrote: > Good time of the day. > > > Can You recommend the debian / linux / free-software > free email-subscription / feeds - the ones You prefer? Not totally sure what you mean, are you looking for email lists and rss/atom feeds to subscribe to? Personally, for mailing lists, I read Debian-User, Debian-Maintainer and Debian-Developer. For feeds, I read a bunch of the Planets: Fedora, Gnome, KDE, Debian, Freedesktop.org, Mozilla, HTML5, Jabber I also read feeds from Phoronix, LWN, Ars Technica Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_UZ49mtyHL=mtuvmd9hgruss-p6df0ruoxaoczvbw...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 22:26:51 +0700 Sthu Deus wrote: > Good time of the day. > > > Can You recommend the debian / linux / free-software > free email-subscription / feeds - the ones You prefer? > > > Thanks for Your time and advice. > > Hi I think you may have contacted me by accident, as I the most evil person on the debian list at the moment, unless it was a genuine request -- -- Best wishes / 73 Richard Bown e-mail: rich...@g8jvm.com Escaped for gmail, Now hosted by SimplyMailSolutions :) ;) Please avoid using old e-mail address of richard.b...@blueyonder.co.uk nil carborundum a illegitemis ## Ham Call G8JVM . OS Fedora FC16 x86_64 on a Dell Insiron N5030 laptop Maidenhead QRA: IO82SP38, LAT. 52 39.720' N LONG. 2 28.171 W ( degs mins ) QRV HF + VHF Microwave 23 cms:140W,13 cms:100W,6 cms:10W & 3 cms:5W ## -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120404165027.1f5c7...@lap.g8jvm.com
OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.
Good time of the day. Can You recommend the debian / linux / free-software free email-subscription / feeds - the ones You prefer? Thanks for Your time and advice. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f7c6843.8ea9cc0a.342d.b...@mx.google.com
Changing subscription from -digest to normal [was: Re: Unnecessary rebooting (was Re: Bash argument expanded inside alias)]
On Mi, 14 mar 12, 09:50:11, rcb wrote: > PPS. I think I need to change the list subscription from digest to > normal emails. I tried subject:help to debian-user-request, but the > message that came back was of no help. (Maybe this is offtopic here -- > in this email of course, and in the list in general)? A quick > indication will do. Why would it be offtopic? It's just a good idea to not mix more problems in the same mail and use an apropiate subject (like I did) Anyway, 'help' works only with majordomo@l.d.o and it goes in the body (not the subject), but for what you need I'm guessing you have unsubscribe the digest and subscribe the normal list, and this can be done with the proper subject to the corresponding -request list. Hope this helps, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Camaleón wrote: > On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:17:01 -0400, Tom H wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Camaleón wrote: This script and the BTS aren;t tied in to the box from which you report a script. As long as you have a Debian or Ubuntu or other Debian derivative box with devscripts installed, you should be able to auto-subscribe with this script to all the bugs that you've reported. >>> >>> As I read it, the script is basically a loop that retrieves the bug >>> number for all the bugs that have been sent by the reporter and sends >>> subcription e-mails to the BTS robot... but you still have to manually >>> reply to the incoming confirmation e-mails, right? And this is when the >>> Procmail recipe comes into play, I guess, to close the cycle. >> >> I don't remember the procmail reference but I'll trust you > > Never trust anyone, human people have many bugs and fail :-) > > The proposed procmail recipe is available here: > > http://git.madduck.net/v/etc/mailfilter.git?a=blob;f=procmail/rules/debian-debbugs-autosubscribe;hb=HEAD Thanks. I was just too busy to look up the link in the archives so had to choose to trust you!. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SxX996LYp=5xwqag0--2qrsax2ro-_fd4jsywrbgac...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:17:01 -0400, Tom H wrote: > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Camaleón wrote: (...) >>> This script and the BTS aren;t tied in to the box from which you >>> report a script. As long as you have a Debian or Ubuntu or other >>> Debian derivative box with devscripts installed, you should be able to >>> auto-subscribe with this script to all the bugs that you've reported. > > >> As I read it, the script is basically a loop that retrieves the bug >> number for all the bugs that have been sent by the reporter and sends >> subcription e-mails to the BTS robot... but you still have to manually >> reply to the incoming confirmation e-mails, right? And this is when the >> Procmail recipe comes into play, I guess, to close the cycle. > > I don't remember the procmail reference but I'll trust you Never trust anyone, human people have many bugs and fail :-) The proposed procmail recipe is available here: http://git.madduck.net/v/etc/mailfilter.git?a=blob;f=procmail/rules/debian-debbugs-autosubscribe;hb=HEAD > (I looked at the page for a few seconds at most (!) so I could easily have > misread/misunderstood. You certainly have to reconfirm your subscription > manually or otherwise... Yes, and that's an overwhelming task if it has to be done manually. >> It can be useful for mass-susbcriptions and mass-confirmation (when >> used alongside Procmail or a similar filter to do the job) but is still >> too much work -IMO- for bug reporters that are not using such mailing >> schema. > > I couldn't agree more but if the BTS developers want it this way, there > isn't another option... Sadly yes, that's what we have now. And it's not only the BTS infrastructure, people who help with Debian translation have to use a system that is almost 100% manually handled. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.11.02.14.05...@gmail.com
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Camaleón wrote: > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:53:47 -0400, Tom H wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Camaleón wrote: >>> On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:35:29 -0400, Tom H wrote: >>> >>> (...) >>> >>>> The madduck script automates subscribing to the bugs that you've filed >>>> for you. There's no need to do this manually. >>> >>> If I have correctly read the script, it can be fine for users using >>> procmail, is that right? >>> >>> If yes, I'm not such user, I use Mutt and my Gmail IMAP account and >>> from time to time, I use reportbug and even another computers which do >>> not run Debian... so I'm afraid the workaround won't be of any help in >>> my case :-( >> >> I haven't kept the script but I remember a loop with a "sendmail -f >> ...". You can substitute whatever command is equivalent on your box. > > Yep, I suppose that command could be replaced by invoking "mutt", instead. > >> This script and the BTS aren;t tied in to the box from which you report >> a script. As long as you have a Debian or Ubuntu or other Debian >> derivative box with devscripts installed, you should be able to >> auto-subscribe with this script to all the bugs that you've reported. > As I read it, the script is basically a loop that retrieves the bug > number for all the bugs that have been sent by the reporter and sends > subcription e-mails to the BTS robot... but you still have to manually > reply to the incoming confirmation e-mails, right? And this is when the > Procmail recipe comes into play, I guess, to close the cycle. I don't remember the procmail reference but I'll trust you (I looked at the page for a few seconds at most (!) so I could easily have misread/misunderstood. You certainly have to reconfirm your subscription manually or otherwise... > It can be useful for mass-susbcriptions and mass-confirmation (when used > alongside Procmail or a similar filter to do the job) but is still too > much work -IMO- for bug reporters that are not using such mailing schema. I couldn't agree more but if the BTS developers want it this way, there isn't another option... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sycpkxt-n-yofu1mddctsovvugwvatloy+jjyzerxn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
also sprach Camaleón [2011.10.30.1928 +0100]: > > This script and the BTS aren;t tied in to the box from which you report > > a script. As long as you have a Debian or Ubuntu or other Debian > > derivative box with devscripts installed, you should be able to > > auto-subscribe with this script to all the bugs that you've reported. > > As I read it, the script is basically a loop that retrieves the bug > number for all the bugs that have been sent by the reporter and sends > subcription e-mails to the BTS robot... but you still have to manually > reply to the incoming confirmation e-mails, right? And this is when the > Procmail recipe comes into play, I guess, to close the cycle. Sounds about right: http://madduck.net/blog/2008.06.20:auto-subscribing-to-debian-bugs-i-file/ -- .''`. martin f. krafft Related projects: : :' : proud Debian developer http://debiansystem.info `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduckhttp://vcs-pkg.org `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems "the question of whether computers can think is like the question of whether submarines can swim." -- edsgar w. dijkstra digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current)
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:53:47 -0400, Tom H wrote: > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Camaleón wrote: >> On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:35:29 -0400, Tom H wrote: >> >> (...) >> >>> The madduck script automates subscribing to the bugs that you've filed >>> for you. There's no need to do this manually. >> >> If I have correctly read the script, it can be fine for users using >> procmail, is that right? >> >> If yes, I'm not such user, I use Mutt and my Gmail IMAP account and >> from time to time, I use reportbug and even another computers which do >> not run Debian... so I'm afraid the workaround won't be of any help in >> my case :-( > > I haven't kept the script but I remember a loop with a "sendmail -f > ...". You can substitute whatever command is equivalent on your box. Yep, I suppose that command could be replaced by invoking "mutt", instead. > This script and the BTS aren;t tied in to the box from which you report > a script. As long as you have a Debian or Ubuntu or other Debian > derivative box with devscripts installed, you should be able to > auto-subscribe with this script to all the bugs that you've reported. As I read it, the script is basically a loop that retrieves the bug number for all the bugs that have been sent by the reporter and sends subcription e-mails to the BTS robot... but you still have to manually reply to the incoming confirmation e-mails, right? And this is when the Procmail recipe comes into play, I guess, to close the cycle. It can be useful for mass-susbcriptions and mass-confirmation (when used alongside Procmail or a similar filter to do the job) but is still too much work -IMO- for bug reporters that are not using such mailing schema. I'll wait for better days to come... Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.30.18.28...@gmail.com
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Camaleón wrote: > On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:35:29 -0400, Tom H wrote: > > (...) > >> The madduck script automates subscribing to the bugs that you've filed >> for you. There's no need to do this manually. > > If I have correctly read the script, it can be fine for users using > procmail, is that right? > > If yes, I'm not such user, I use Mutt and my Gmail IMAP account and from > time to time, I use reportbug and even another computers which do not run > Debian... so I'm afraid the workaround won't be of any help in my case :-( I haven't kept the script but I remember a loop with a "sendmail -f ...". You can substitute whatever command is equivalent on your box. This script and the BTS aren;t tied in to the box from which you report a script. As long as you have a Debian or Ubuntu or other Debian derivative box with devscripts installed, you should be able to auto-subscribe with this script to all the bugs that you've reported. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Sx=VNgvD2ww_=RXfGEhVO4fXPjJc=scodxckzbb9vd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:35:29 -0400, Tom H wrote: (...) > The madduck script automates subscribing to the bugs that you've filed > for you. There's no need to do this manually. If I have correctly read the script, it can be fine for users using procmail, is that right? If yes, I'm not such user, I use Mutt and my Gmail IMAP account and from time to time, I use reportbug and even another computers which do not run Debian... so I'm afraid the workaround won't be of any help in my case :-( Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.30.10.19...@gmail.com
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Stephen Powell wrote: > On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:22:50 -0400 (EDT), Sven Joachim wrote: >> On 2011-10-29 19:00 +0200, Stephen Powell wrote: >>> I could be wrong, but I believe that you are automatically "subscribed" >>> to bugs that you report yourself. >> >> You are indeed wrong. How did you get that idea? > > Based on past behavior of the bug tracking system. I always seemed > to get updates. But maybe it's because the poster CC'd me. I agree > with Walter Hurry, though. This should be the default behavior, > or at least an option when submitting a bug report. It shouldn't be a > manual process. Now I need to find all my own open bug reports and > subscribe to them. Bummer. I've read in the past a debian-devel thread (I think) about this and there were developers who were opposed to auto-subscription for bug reporters because they didn't want them to be "spammed" by every reply. And, illogically, their response to this problem is that the bug reported should be cc'd. I don't see why anyone would report a bug and not want to receive follow-ups but if that's the way that the BTS's developers want their software to behave, that's the way it's going to be. You see that across open source - and I'm sure that you'd see it across closed source if you had access to requests and how they're dealt with. The madduck script automates subscribing to the bugs that you've filed for you. There's no need to do this manually. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sw-f9m0mdwtb51yfv-bv2vv4rgfw_8u+ri7jswynwq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:22:50 -0400 (EDT), Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2011-10-29 19:00 +0200, Stephen Powell wrote: >> I could be wrong, but I believe that you are automatically "subscribed" >> to bugs that you report yourself. > > You are indeed wrong. How did you get that idea? Based on past behavior of the bug tracking system. I always seemed to get updates. But maybe it's because the poster CC'd me. I agree with Walter Hurry, though. This should be the default behavior, or at least an option when submitting a bug report. It shouldn't be a manual process. Now I need to find all my own open bug reports and subscribe to them. Bummer. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1448291256.415212.1319917522577.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:13:01 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Tom H wrote: >> Walter Hurry wrote: >> > Bob Proulx wrote: >> >> Auto-subscribing to Debian bugs I file [redacted the munged URL] >> > >> > 404 >> >> http://madduck.net/blog/2008.06.20:auto-subscribing-to-debian-bugs-i- file/ > > Thanks Tom for the correction. My cut-n-paste ran into my editor macro > for "i"->"I". Walter, Sorry for not catching it before posting. Thanks, Bob; no problem. I do think it is laughable that this is necessary, though. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j8hjsj$og4$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
Tom H wrote: > Walter Hurry wrote: > > Bob Proulx wrote: > >> Auto-subscribing to Debian bugs I file > >> [redacted the munged URL] > > > > 404 > > http://madduck.net/blog/2008.06.20:auto-subscribing-to-debian-bugs-i-file/ Thanks Tom for the correction. My cut-n-paste ran into my editor macro for "i"->"I". Walter, Sorry for not catching it before posting. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Walter Hurry wrote: > On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 12:23:45 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: >> >> Auto-subscribing to Debian bugs I file >> http://madduck.net/blog/2008.06.20:auto-subscribing-to-debian-bugs-I-file/ > > 404 http://madduck.net/blog/2008.06.20:auto-subscribing-to-debian-bugs-i-file/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SyOH8Qx5bKraMM-R2o4eGZSbU8CwL9Xkmwx=ya54y6...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 12:23:45 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Camaleón wrote: >> I would like to know if there is a way to get automatically subscribed¹ >> to Debian bugs I report. > > Auto-subscribing to Debian bugs I file > http://madduck.net/blog/2008.06.20:auto-subscribing-to-debian-bugs-I- file/ 404 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j8hgiq$5e7$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Stephen Powell wrote: > On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:54:08 -0400 (EDT), Camaleón wrote: >> >> I would like to know if there is a way to get automatically subscribed¹ >> to Debian bugs I report. >> >> I mean, something like a "tag" I can use when I report the bug by e-mail >> or something at reportbug I can select to automate this task. >> >> As far as I can see, this can be done manually after receiving the bug >> number confirmation but it requires of two extra e-mails from the bug >> reporter: one to "bug#-subscribe@" to get subscribed and a second one to >> confirm the subscription. > > I could be wrong, but I believe that you are automatically "subscribed" > to bugs that you report yourself. Unfortunately not. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SxzxBHoy9kJS6m-+TdCfkDEgnpewziA9pu8wE3=6+n...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
Camaleón wrote: > I would like to know if there is a way to get automatically subscribed¹ > to Debian bugs I report. Auto-subscribing to Debian bugs I file http://madduck.net/blog/2008.06.20:auto-subscribing-to-debian-bugs-I-file/ Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
Camaleón wrote at 2011-10-29 10:54 -0500: > I would like to know if there is a way to get automatically subscribed > to Debian bugs I report. I have noticed this also; I wonder how many times I have missed a comment about a bug report I submitted because I assumed that, as the submitter, I was automatically subscribed. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:54:08 +, Camaleón wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to know if there is a way to get automatically subscribed¹ > to Debian bugs I report. > > I mean, something like a "tag" I can use when I report the bug by e-mail > or something at reportbug I can select to automate this task. > > As far as I can see, this can be done manually after receiving the bug > number confirmation but it requires of two extra e-mails from the bug > reporter: one to "bug#-subscribe@" to get subscribed and a second one to > confirm the subscription. > > How are you people managing this? > > Thanks for any hints :-) > > ¹http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer.en.html#subscribe If the original submitter is not automatically subscribed (and yes, I believe you), that seems absolutely stupid to me. Sorry for the bluntness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j8he69$kua$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:23:31 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2011-10-29 17:54 +0200, Camaleón wrote: > >> I would like to know if there is a way to get automatically subscribed¹ >> to Debian bugs I report. > > There isn't, currently. Bug #351856¹ has some information on that > topic. 2006!! Sigh... Okay, thanks :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.29.17.33...@gmail.com
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:00:24 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: > On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:54:08 -0400 (EDT), Camaleón wrote: >> >> I would like to know if there is a way to get automatically subscribed¹ >> to Debian bugs I report. (...) > I could be wrong, but I believe that you are automatically "subscribed" > to bugs that you report yourself. The subscription process is intended > to allow you to subscribe to a bug reported by someone else, but which > you have decided is important to you. By "subscription" I mean to receive bug state or updates changes (like merges, package re-assignations or getting other user's comments) and this is not happening automatically, unless I have missed something. I only get bug status updates when someone (either devels, packagers or other users) add my personal e-mail address to the "CC" or "To" field but not when they reply to the bug number itself :-? In fact, when I reply to bugs I always add as "To" or "CC" to all of the involved people who participates in the bug report in addition to the bug report itself, just in case because I'm not sure that all of them will get the message by just replying to the bug number e-mail address. I'm not sure if this is the right approach, though. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.29.17.23...@gmail.com
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
On 2011-10-29 17:54 +0200, Camaleón wrote: > I would like to know if there is a way to get automatically subscribed¹ > to Debian bugs I report. There isn't, currently. Bug #351856¹ has some information on that topic. Sven ¹ http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=351856 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ty6rd84s@turtle.gmx.de
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
On 2011-10-29 19:00 +0200, Stephen Powell wrote: > I could be wrong, but I believe that you are automatically "subscribed" > to bugs that you report yourself. You are indeed wrong. How did you get that idea? Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87wrbnd85x@turtle.gmx.de
Re: [Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:54:08 -0400 (EDT), Camaleón wrote: > > I would like to know if there is a way to get automatically subscribed¹ > to Debian bugs I report. > > I mean, something like a "tag" I can use when I report the bug by e-mail > or something at reportbug I can select to automate this task. > > As far as I can see, this can be done manually after receiving the bug > number confirmation but it requires of two extra e-mails from the bug > reporter: one to "bug#-subscribe@" to get subscribed and a second one to > confirm the subscription. > > How are you people managing this? > > Thanks for any hints :-) > > ¹http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer.en.html#subscribe I could be wrong, but I believe that you are automatically "subscribed" to bugs that you report yourself. The subscription process is intended to allow you to subscribe to a bug reported by someone else, but which you have decided is important to you. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50717187.413448.1319907624555.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
[Semi-OT] Automatic subscription to self-opened bug reports
Hello, I would like to know if there is a way to get automatically subscribed¹ to Debian bugs I report. I mean, something like a "tag" I can use when I report the bug by e-mail or something at reportbug I can select to automate this task. As far as I can see, this can be done manually after receiving the bug number confirmation but it requires of two extra e-mails from the bug reporter: one to "bug#-subscribe@" to get subscribed and a second one to confirm the subscription. How are you people managing this? Thanks for any hints :-) ¹http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer.en.html#subscribe Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.29.15.54...@gmail.com
Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription
On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 11:46 +0100, Lisi wrote: > There must be some multi-millionaires who are blind!! It's new technology, not really for the masses. In 100 years and perhaps earlier it could be less expensive or completely removed from the market, hence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochlear_implant in Germany already is wide spread for the masses and similar technology for the eyes already is existing in an experimental state. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307884254.2416.94.camel@debian
Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription [OT]
On 12/06/11 20:46, Lisi wrote: > On Saturday 11 June 2011 16:42:12 Scott Ferguson wrote: >>> On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:27 +0100, Lisi wrote: > [snipped] That is not sarcasm incidentally. I would genuinely like to know how you can use braille to read things on the Internet. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refreshable_Braille_display >> >> >> Literally interpreting your question >> (I used to build machines for people with vision problems) > > Thanks, Scott. :-) > > I meant it literally. I had never come across or heard of a tactile computer > display. The nicest one I ever saw was an image display - a beautifully crafted Huon timber box with a tight grid of holes in the top. Each hole has a stainless steel rod sitting in it - each rod can be raised and lowered by a small drive - at rest they are flush with the top of the box, but can be raised about 1cm. A screen display is scanned and converted to a grayscale which is then analysed. The screen is "gridded" with blocks of pixels represented by individual rods - the darker the colour of the pixel block - the higher the rod is raised. The result is a 3D representation of the screen image. Very cool and beautifully made. When unpowered the rods sit flush with the surface of the box, making it easy to clean. The unit was completely designed by a blind person - including the software! Build by a sighted person using parts from an old SCSCI scanner and drives from a bunch of old, old, floppy disk drives (the really floppy sort). > > I am intrigued that they exist, but the RNIB (Royal National Institute for > Blind people) doesn't sell them and doesn't seem to know about them. > > I have googled, but am clearly asking the wrong question. > > Scratch that! I have tried again with Scott's search parameter and have > finally found them mentioned on the RNIB site. But they are, as you say, > prohibitively expensive. One is obviously not expected to want them, because > I had even searched the RNIB shop with "braille" and not found displays, only > inputs of various kinds. > > There must be some multi-millionaires who are blind!! > Lisi > > Dunno about blind multi-millionaires - but selling JAWS must have made more than a few millionaires. Cheers -- It's just a ride and we can change it any time we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money, a choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your door, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as one. ~ Bill Hicks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df4acb5.7040...@gmail.com
Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription [OT]
On 12/06/11 20:46, Lisi wrote: > On Saturday 11 June 2011 16:42:12 Scott Ferguson wrote: >>> On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:27 +0100, Lisi wrote: > [snipped] That is not sarcasm incidentally. I would genuinely like to know how you can use braille to read things on the Internet. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refreshable_Braille_display >> >> >> Literally interpreting your question >> (I used to build machines for people with vision problems) > > Thanks, Scott. :-) > > I meant it literally. I had never come across or heard of a tactile computer > display. The nicest one I ever saw was an image display - a beautifully crafted Huon timber box with a tight grid of holes in the top. Each hole has a stainless steel rod sitting in it - each rod can be raised and lowered by a small drive - at rest they are flush with the top of the box, but can be raised about 1cm. A screen display is scanned and converted to a grayscale which is then analysed. The screen is "gridded" with blocks of pixels represented by individual rods - the darker the colour of the pixel block - the higher the rod is raised. The result is a 3D representation of the screen image. Very cool and beautifully made. When unpowered the rods sit flush with the surface of the box, making it easy to clean. The unit was completely designed by a blind person - including the software! Build by a sighted person using parts from an old SCSCI scanner and drives from a bunch of old, old, floppy disk drives (the really floppy sort). > > I am intrigued that they exist, but the RNIB (Royal National Institute for > Blind people) doesn't sell them and doesn't seem to know about them. > > I have googled, but am clearly asking the wrong question. > > Scratch that! I have tried again with Scott's search parameter and have > finally found them mentioned on the RNIB site. But they are, as you say, > prohibitively expensive. One is obviously not expected to want them, because > I had even searched the RNIB shop with "braille" and not found displays, only > inputs of various kinds. > > There must be some multi-millionaires who are blind!! > Lisi > > Dunno about blind multi-millionaires - but selling JAWS must have made more than a few millionaires. Cheers -- It's just a ride and we can change it any time we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money, a choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your door, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as one. ~ Bill Hicks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df4ac72.7040...@gmail.com
Re: Subscription
On Sunday 12 June 2011 02:24:57 Scott Ferguson wrote: > Email the management. Just to let them know that you won't be buying > their product because you *can't* view the site, and that you'll be > emailing their shareholder to tell them you emailed the management - who > don't give a stuff, so now you're going to lobby everyone you know to > not buy their stuff - because you don't like being insulted or > marginalised, and you think your money is just as good as anyone else's. > And let 'em know you'll be spending up big with their opposition... > You can also point them at Debian.org as an example of how to do it right. > > If that doesn't work. Rent a wheelchair get some friends with big > cameras, buy a $1 share and shutdown their agm. It's easy if you've got > the time and know their pain points. ;-p :-)) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201106121150.06375.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription
On Saturday 11 June 2011 16:42:12 Scott Ferguson wrote: > > On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:27 +0100, Lisi wrote: [snipped] > >> That is not sarcasm incidentally. I would genuinely like to know how > >> you can use braille to read things on the Internet. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refreshable_Braille_display > > > Literally interpreting your question > (I used to build machines for people with vision problems) Thanks, Scott. :-) I meant it literally. I had never come across or heard of a tactile computer display. I am intrigued that they exist, but the RNIB (Royal National Institute for Blind people) doesn't sell them and doesn't seem to know about them. I have googled, but am clearly asking the wrong question. Scratch that! I have tried again with Scott's search parameter and have finally found them mentioned on the RNIB site. But they are, as you say, prohibitively expensive. One is obviously not expected to want them, because I had even searched the RNIB shop with "braille" and not found displays, only inputs of various kinds. There must be some multi-millionaires who are blind!! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201106121146.40508.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Subscription
On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 11:24 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 12/06/11 09:10, Lisi wrote: > > On Saturday 11 June 2011 17:54:35 Scott Ferguson wrote: > >> *cough* some of us do design websites the blind and visually handicapped > >> in mindit's just not noticed by those with normal vision. (sigh) ;-p > > > > Many don't bother. And just for the record I myself am partially sighted > > (our > > awful euphemism!). If someone can't be bothered to make the site visible, > > I > > can't be bothered to try and read it. > > > > As you rightly say, it is a shame to throw all those potential customers > > out > > with the rubbish. > > But I have got better things to do with my life than try > > desperately to make out what that mid-grey writing on a pale grey > > background > > is actually saying, or what that "pretty" graphic is successfully masking. > > Email the management. Just to let them know that you won't be buying > their product because you *can't* view the site, and that you'll be > emailing their shareholder to tell them you emailed the management - who > don't give a stuff, so now you're going to lobby everyone you know to > not buy their stuff - because you don't like being insulted or > marginalised, and you think your money is just as good as anyone else's. > And let 'em know you'll be spending up big with their opposition... > You can also point them at Debian.org as an example of how to do it right. > > If that doesn't work. Rent a wheelchair get some friends with big > cameras, buy a $1 share and shutdown their agm. It's easy if you've got > the time and know their pain points. ;-p > > > > Those like you who try to make things accessible are much appreciated - > > anyhow > > by me! > > > > Lisi After reading a long text on a private homepage, the last, very small words I read were "Click here to change the colours" ;). Sometimes there is such an option, but it's very good hidden. I'm not visible impaired, but who wishes to read "mid-grey writing on a pale grey background"? A lot of German companies don't care about minorities. They don't care about the broadcasting van. They wait until a report was send by a big television station, then thy claim everything just was a big misunderstanding and then 'they care' about minorities. This doesn't have a loss of image in Germany, hence nobody cares for minorities here, excepted guilty ones are needed to blame for something. German sheep dog shit on the sidewalk? No, it must be Romany people shit. I guess people all over the world are similar :(. If in your country the big cameras should help, wow! :) Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307870693.2416.29.camel@debian
Re: Subscription
On 12/06/11 09:10, Lisi wrote: > On Saturday 11 June 2011 17:54:35 Scott Ferguson wrote: >> *cough* some of us do design websites the blind and visually handicapped >> in mindit's just not noticed by those with normal vision. (sigh) ;-p > > Many don't bother. And just for the record I myself am partially sighted > (our > awful euphemism!). If someone can't be bothered to make the site visible, I > can't be bothered to try and read it. > > As you rightly say, it is a shame to throw all those potential customers out > with the rubbish. > But I have got better things to do with my life than try > desperately to make out what that mid-grey writing on a pale grey background > is actually saying, or what that "pretty" graphic is successfully masking. Email the management. Just to let them know that you won't be buying their product because you *can't* view the site, and that you'll be emailing their shareholder to tell them you emailed the management - who don't give a stuff, so now you're going to lobby everyone you know to not buy their stuff - because you don't like being insulted or marginalised, and you think your money is just as good as anyone else's. And let 'em know you'll be spending up big with their opposition... You can also point them at Debian.org as an example of how to do it right. If that doesn't work. Rent a wheelchair get some friends with big cameras, buy a $1 share and shutdown their agm. It's easy if you've got the time and know their pain points. ;-p > > Those like you who try to make things accessible are much appreciated - > anyhow > by me! > > Lisi > > > Cheers - I think of you the next time I need a biased opinion of site accessibility. -- The world is like a ride in an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question: "Is this real, or is this just a ride?" And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey, don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride." And we kill those people. ~ Bill Hicks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df41569.6050...@gmail.com
Re: Subscription
On Saturday 11 June 2011 18:42:28 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Sometimes the ignorance is funny. In my hometown there was a pharmacy > where people only could go in by stairs. You only needed to have a > sporting injury and couldn't go in. At least the target group should be > satisfied. We used to have a car-park (thankfully it has been blown up) that had lifts for those who, for whatever reason - pushchairs, wheelchairs etc. - could not use the stairs. To get to the lifts you had to go either up or down some stairs! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201106120015.30430.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Subscription
On Saturday 11 June 2011 17:54:35 Scott Ferguson wrote: > *cough* some of us do design websites the blind and visually handicapped > in mindit's just not noticed by those with normal vision. (sigh) ;-p Many don't bother. And just for the record I myself am partially sighted (our awful euphemism!). If someone can't be bothered to make the site visible, I can't be bothered to try and read it. As you rightly say, it is a shame to throw all those potential customers out with the rubbish. But I have got better things to do with my life than try desperately to make out what that mid-grey writing on a pale grey background is actually saying, or what that "pretty" graphic is successfully masking. Those like you who try to make things accessible are much appreciated - anyhow by me! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201106120011.00134.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription
2011/6/11 Anthony Campbell : > On 11 Jun 2011, darkestkhan wrote: >> >> Maybe it is time for big revolution in English language of XXI century >> - the revival of pronoun "one". >> For one thing, I'm still encountering pronoun "one", and it is quite >> often, so I wouldn't be so hasty to this judgment of effective death >> (though it may be caused by wandering in strange dark corners of >> Internet). >> >> darkestkhan > > I think the avoidance of 'one' is mainly an American usage. In British > English it is used quite frequently, In fact, there is a long-standing > joke about the tendency of members of the Royal Family, especially > Prince Charles, to say 'one' instead of 'I'. > > > -- > Anthony Campbell - a...@acampbell.org.uk Anthony You might mean USian, it seems that in Canada is usually used. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktikkkta+cybgfxtt52pg8f_f2so...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Subscription
On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 02:54 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 11/06/11 23:16, Lisi wrote: > > On Saturday 11 June 2011 13:12:25 shawn wilson wrote: > >> On Jun 11, 2011 5:27 AM, "Lisi" wrote: > >>> On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, > I guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff. > >>> > >>> I'm fascinated. How do you read braille from a monitor??! > >>> > >>> My blind friends (even one who can read Braille at a phenomenal rate) all > >> > >> use > >> > >>> text to speech software. Though the point about difficulty scanning > >>> still holds good. > >>> > >>> That is not sarcasm incidentally. I would genuinely like to know how you > >> > >> can > >> > >>> use braille to read things on the Internet. > >> > >> Yeah, there are braille tablets with mechanical 'dots'. However they cost > >> some real money. Also as one who constantly brushes dust, skin, and hair > >> off my macbook, I have no idea how you'd keep one of those clean. > > I've seen one made by Nokia that was wipeable - most of the haptic > devices are easy to clean. > NOTE: the haptic devices are very cool and allow you to feel images! > > > > > This: > > http://www.rnib.org.uk/shop/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?category=transcription_software&productID=HT10601 > > was all I was able to find this side of the pond, and it claims only to be > > able to translate word processor documents, not Internet pages. Have you a > > reference? > > > > I have also found this: > > http://www.tabletedia.com/news/1113.html > > but that refers to the future. > > > >> This is about 80% OT but you asked. I'm also sure that Google can get you > >> more reliable info on this topic than I. Hopefully if you design software > >> or web pages, you'll consider how you'd use it without eyes. > > > > We are a long way from web sites designed with blind people in mind. Most > > are > > designed without consideration even for the partially sighted! > > *cough* some of us do design websites the blind and visually handicapped > in mindit's just not noticed by those with normal vision. (sigh) ;-p > All of my sites are built with the visually handicapped in mind - they > must be navigable and intelligible with Lynx, that overpriced p.i.t.a. > JAWS - and the decent screen readers, braille displays as well. Even > harder is allowing for colour vision impaired (but doable) and ensuring > those that are (merely) vision impaired can navigate and access the > information with screen magnifiers. That also means ensuring that it's > easy to "tab" though contents, skip menus - all that has to be possible > as both a full screen layout and on mobile devices. > Then we have make sure that all browsers can display it as both large > screen and mobile (ie6 included). Technically I'm bad because I don't > use image tags - my sightless site testers had the same complaint Ralf > had about un-necessary words - so I try and just ensure the name is > instructive eg. cow_picture.png except in the rare circumstance that a > site requires a detailed description of a graphic for the > non-graphically orientated. > With many government clients these things are mandated in the contract - > with corporate clients it's just sensible. Despite what many of the web > "designeers" I hear from will tell you - failing to support the visually > handicapped or those using IE6 means locking can mean losing business. > I don't usually plug my business - and I'm certainly not a rarity > amongst designers - I know many who do a much better job than I. > Feel free to ask for a link. Sometimes the ignorance is funny. In my hometown there was a pharmacy where people only could go in by stairs. You only needed to have a sporting injury and couldn't go in. At least the target group should be satisfied. "With many government clients these things are mandated in the contract" this should be taken for granted. Cheers! Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307814148.2378.255.camel@debian
Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription
Excerpts from Lisi's message of 2011-06-11 12:43:23 +0200: > On Saturday 11 June 2011 11:07:36 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:27 +0100, Lisi wrote: > > > On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, > > > > I guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff. > > > > > > I'm fascinated. How do you read braille from a monitor??! > > > > I've got good eyes and don't have braille ;). But I'm a dyslexic. > > You misunderstood my question. "You" in English, in addition to being the > second person plural and singular pronoun, is also the third person singular > indefinate pronoun equivalent to the French "on". You (second person > singular) said "I guess using braille, people have to read much more > irrelevant stuff" and I asked how on earth these putative people, using > braille to read things on the Internet, did so. I cannot see how anyone uses > braille on the Internet, so I asked you (second person singular) how such a > person would do so. Reading web pages with a braille display is a matter of using a text browser, there are a number of those available on Linux. Regards, Philipp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307813781-sup-3856@eris
Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription
On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 17:33 +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote: > On 11 Jun 2011, darkestkhan wrote: > > > > Maybe it is time for big revolution in English language of XXI century > > - the revival of pronoun "one". > > For one thing, I'm still encountering pronoun "one", and it is quite > > often, so I wouldn't be so hasty to this judgment of effective death > > (though it may be caused by wandering in strange dark corners of > > Internet). > > > > darkestkhan > > I think the avoidance of 'one' is mainly an American usage. In British > English it is used quite frequently, In fact, there is a long-standing > joke about the tendency of members of the Royal Family, especially > Prince Charles, to say 'one' instead of 'I'. In my case, my English simply is broken. 'One' was for 'somebody' not for 'I'. Btw. I can't believe that it's possible to translate Hegel to English, since it's disputed what his message is. His individual German already needs translation into regular German. So somebody first has to be sure what Hegel wants to say, before he will be able to translate him. Very strange, resp. dubious, there are translations of Hegel: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hegel/ http://www.hegel.org/index.html Anyway, German is a very strange language and as a German native speaker with a large vocabulary and no gift for languages, my translations are sometimes similar to http://babelfish.yahoo.com/ "Don't Panic" (The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307812243.2378.243.camel@debian
Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription
On Sb, 11 iun 11, 11:13:50, darkestkhan wrote: > > Maybe it is time for big revolution in English language of XXI century > - the revival of pronoun "one". > For one thing, I'm still encountering pronoun "one", and it is quite > often, so I wouldn't be so hasty to this judgment of effective death > (though it may be caused by wandering in strange dark corners of > Internet). +1 Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On 11/06/11 23:16, Lisi wrote: > On Saturday 11 June 2011 13:12:25 shawn wilson wrote: >> On Jun 11, 2011 5:27 AM, "Lisi" wrote: >>> On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote: I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, I guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff. >>> >>> I'm fascinated. How do you read braille from a monitor??! >>> >>> My blind friends (even one who can read Braille at a phenomenal rate) all >> >> use >> >>> text to speech software. Though the point about difficulty scanning >>> still holds good. >>> >>> That is not sarcasm incidentally. I would genuinely like to know how you >> >> can >> >>> use braille to read things on the Internet. >> >> Yeah, there are braille tablets with mechanical 'dots'. However they cost >> some real money. Also as one who constantly brushes dust, skin, and hair >> off my macbook, I have no idea how you'd keep one of those clean. I've seen one made by Nokia that was wipeable - most of the haptic devices are easy to clean. NOTE: the haptic devices are very cool and allow you to feel images! > > This: > http://www.rnib.org.uk/shop/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?category=transcription_software&productID=HT10601 > was all I was able to find this side of the pond, and it claims only to be > able to translate word processor documents, not Internet pages. Have you a > reference? > > I have also found this: > http://www.tabletedia.com/news/1113.html > but that refers to the future. > >> This is about 80% OT but you asked. I'm also sure that Google can get you >> more reliable info on this topic than I. Hopefully if you design software >> or web pages, you'll consider how you'd use it without eyes. > > We are a long way from web sites designed with blind people in mind. Most > are > designed without consideration even for the partially sighted! *cough* some of us do design websites the blind and visually handicapped in mindit's just not noticed by those with normal vision. (sigh) ;-p All of my sites are built with the visually handicapped in mind - they must be navigable and intelligible with Lynx, that overpriced p.i.t.a. JAWS - and the decent screen readers, braille displays as well. Even harder is allowing for colour vision impaired (but doable) and ensuring those that are (merely) vision impaired can navigate and access the information with screen magnifiers. That also means ensuring that it's easy to "tab" though contents, skip menus - all that has to be possible as both a full screen layout and on mobile devices. Then we have make sure that all browsers can display it as both large screen and mobile (ie6 included). Technically I'm bad because I don't use image tags - my sightless site testers had the same complaint Ralf had about un-necessary words - so I try and just ensure the name is instructive eg. cow_picture.png except in the rare circumstance that a site requires a detailed description of a graphic for the non-graphically orientated. With many government clients these things are mandated in the contract - with corporate clients it's just sensible. Despite what many of the web "designeers" I hear from will tell you - failing to support the visually handicapped or those using IE6 means locking can mean losing business. I don't usually plug my business - and I'm certainly not a rarity amongst designers - I know many who do a much better job than I. Feel free to ask for a link. > > Lisi > > >From my point of view debian.org is very well designed. Kudo to the designer/s. Cheers -- Tuttle? His name's Buttle. There must be some mistake. Mistake? [Chuckles] We don't make mistakes. [Crash!] Bloody typical. They've gone back to metric without telling us. Terry Gilliam's "Brazil" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df39dcb.4050...@gmail.com
Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription
On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 01:42 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 11/06/11 20:07, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:27 +0100, Lisi wrote: > >> On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >>> I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, I > >>> guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff. > >> > >> I'm fascinated. How do you read braille from a monitor??! > > > > > > > > >> That is not sarcasm incidentally. I would genuinely like to know how you > >> can > >> use braille to read things on the Internet. > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refreshable_Braille_display The issue with braille seems to be, that the browser needs to be text based, some minutes ago a blind man at Linux audio users list mentioned, that he can't handle flash with his text based browsers, so I guess he's using brltty daemon. This flash thingy was only for playing a song. IMO all those java and flash stuff should be baned, if not really needed. I like to watch youtube, a blind person surely won't watch videos, so it's okay to use more than just HTML for this usage, but apart from that nobody really needs all that folderol. Does anybody watch intro videos on homepages? I always hope that the skip button does his job. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307811201.2378.230.camel@debian
Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription
On 11 Jun 2011, darkestkhan wrote: > > Maybe it is time for big revolution in English language of XXI century > - the revival of pronoun "one". > For one thing, I'm still encountering pronoun "one", and it is quite > often, so I wouldn't be so hasty to this judgment of effective death > (though it may be caused by wandering in strange dark corners of > Internet). > > darkestkhan I think the avoidance of 'one' is mainly an American usage. In British English it is used quite frequently, In fact, there is a long-standing joke about the tendency of members of the Royal Family, especially Prince Charles, to say 'one' instead of 'I'. -- Anthony Campbell - a...@acampbell.org.uk Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk - sample my ebooks at http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/acampbell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110611163353.ga2...@acampbell.org.uk
Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription
On 11/06/11 20:07, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:27 +0100, Lisi wrote: >> On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, I >>> guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff. >> >> I'm fascinated. How do you read braille from a monitor??! > > >> That is not sarcasm incidentally. I would genuinely like to know how you >> can >> use braille to read things on the Internet. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refreshable_Braille_display Literally interpreting your question (I used to build machines for people with vision problems) Cheers -- Tuttle? His name's Buttle. There must be some mistake. Mistake? [Chuckles] We don't make mistakes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df38cd4.4070...@gmail.com
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On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:22 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: > On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 05:05:04 -0400 (EDT), Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 23:13 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: > >> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:50:28 -0400 (EDT), "Morning Star" wrote: > >>> > >>> i want to join this mailing lists because i have a question about debian. > >> > >> See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ for instructions on how to > >> subscribe. > > > > It's bad that the Linux community tends to educate people with tons of > > redundant words, when they don't have a choice not to read it. > > > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ IMO would be the better link and if > > somebody already has subscribed and a subscription mail came through the > > list, this isn't fatal. > > > > Dyslexia, braille and other reasons should be good enough to reduce the > > amount of words for basic information. > > > > A thread with redundant words is ok, because everybody is free not to > > read it. > > > > No rant ;), just 2 cents, since I'm a dyslexic and wonder about this > > Linux own issue. E.g. read a book to set up your boot loaders menu and > > now read a book about how to subscribe to a Debian mailing list. > > > > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, I > > guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff. > > I was answering the question he asked, not the question he didn't ask. > Is it possible to use the list without subscribing? Yes, it is. > But that's not what he asked. He specifically said he wanted to > "join the list". And I gave him a link to the instructions. > > (OK, strictly speaking it was a statement, not a question. The question > was implied.) :) IMO Subscribe / Unsubscribe Your email address: doesn't need tons of text how to use it ;), so at least I would recommend this link http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ I guess with some hours trail and error it should be possible to subscribe, even by using this complicated thingy ;). 2 Cents, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307803601.2378.179.camel@debian
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On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 14:16 +0100, Lisi wrote: > On Saturday 11 June 2011 13:12:25 shawn wilson wrote: > > On Jun 11, 2011 5:27 AM, "Lisi" wrote: > > > On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, > > > > I guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff. > > > > > > I'm fascinated. How do you read braille from a monitor??! > > > > > > My blind friends (even one who can read Braille at a phenomenal rate) all > > > > use > > > > > text to speech software. Though the point about difficulty scanning > > > still holds good. > > > > > > That is not sarcasm incidentally. I would genuinely like to know how you > > > > can > > > > > use braille to read things on the Internet. > > > > Yeah, there are braille tablets with mechanical 'dots'. However they cost > > some real money. Also as one who constantly brushes dust, skin, and hair > > off my macbook, I have no idea how you'd keep one of those clean. > > This: > http://www.rnib.org.uk/shop/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?category=transcription_software&productID=HT10601 > was all I was able to find this side of the pond, and it claims only to be > able to translate word processor documents, not Internet pages. Have you a > reference? There's a daemon for Linux doing this. You can use braille even with, at least older Debian installers. Here it is brltty http://mielke.cc/brltty/ that's why I was thinking of w3m. Now I understand what you was asking for :). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307803028.2378.174.camel@debian
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 05:05:04 -0400 (EDT), Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 23:13 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: >> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:50:28 -0400 (EDT), "Morning Star" wrote: >>> >>> i want to join this mailing lists because i have a question about debian. >> >> See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ for instructions on how to subscribe. > > It's bad that the Linux community tends to educate people with tons of > redundant words, when they don't have a choice not to read it. > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ IMO would be the better link and if > somebody already has subscribed and a subscription mail came through the > list, this isn't fatal. > > Dyslexia, braille and other reasons should be good enough to reduce the > amount of words for basic information. > > A thread with redundant words is ok, because everybody is free not to > read it. > > No rant ;), just 2 cents, since I'm a dyslexic and wonder about this > Linux own issue. E.g. read a book to set up your boot loaders menu and > now read a book about how to subscribe to a Debian mailing list. > > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, I > guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff. I was answering the question he asked, not the question he didn't ask. Is it possible to use the list without subscribing? Yes, it is. But that's not what he asked. He specifically said he wanted to "join the list". And I gave him a link to the instructions. (OK, strictly speaking it was a statement, not a question. The question was implied.) -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1498338732.116594.1307802167679.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
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On Saturday 11 June 2011 12:30:03 Steven wrote: > I would genuinely like to know how you can > > > use braille to read things on the Internet. > > They can use special hardware for that, it 'translates' the written text > to a line of braille on a physical device. Googling "braille hardware > gave me this link on top: > http://www.indiana.edu/~iuadapts/technology/hardware/braille/index.html Thanks - I had seen Braille input devices and Braille production devices, but never Braille output devices. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201106111430.16515.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Subscription
On Saturday 11 June 2011 13:12:25 shawn wilson wrote: > On Jun 11, 2011 5:27 AM, "Lisi" wrote: > > On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, > > > I guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff. > > > > I'm fascinated. How do you read braille from a monitor??! > > > > My blind friends (even one who can read Braille at a phenomenal rate) all > > use > > > text to speech software. Though the point about difficulty scanning > > still holds good. > > > > That is not sarcasm incidentally. I would genuinely like to know how you > > can > > > use braille to read things on the Internet. > > Yeah, there are braille tablets with mechanical 'dots'. However they cost > some real money. Also as one who constantly brushes dust, skin, and hair > off my macbook, I have no idea how you'd keep one of those clean. This: http://www.rnib.org.uk/shop/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?category=transcription_software&productID=HT10601 was all I was able to find this side of the pond, and it claims only to be able to translate word processor documents, not Internet pages. Have you a reference? I have also found this: http://www.tabletedia.com/news/1113.html but that refers to the future. > This is about 80% OT but you asked. I'm also sure that Google can get you > more reliable info on this topic than I. Hopefully if you design software > or web pages, you'll consider how you'd use it without eyes. We are a long way from web sites designed with blind people in mind. Most are designed without consideration even for the partially sighted! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201106111416.55640.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Subscription
On Jun 11, 2011 5:27 AM, "Lisi" wrote: > > On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, I > > guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff. > > I'm fascinated. How do you read braille from a monitor??! > > My blind friends (even one who can read Braille at a phenomenal rate) all use > text to speech software. Though the point about difficulty scanning still > holds good. > > That is not sarcasm incidentally. I would genuinely like to know how you can > use braille to read things on the Internet. > Yeah, there are braille tablets with mechanical 'dots'. However they cost some real money. Also as one who constantly brushes dust, skin, and hair off my macbook, I have no idea how you'd keep one of those clean. So, people I've seen prefer speech. This too wasn't a cheap solution as windows software was $1k+ and a synthesizer was $200+. However, now most of the work is strictly software and there are free software solutions; emacs speak comes to mind (there's at least one other that I don't recall). There used to be issues with speech software on X. There's also an issue if a blind person needs access to the BIOS (though select computers used to output info through the serial port, and servers have ipmi). There also used to be an issue with remote apps on the windows side - I know Microsoft has pretty much solved this on their end but I don't know about citrix. Now, whatever the price of this adaptive software, most (all?) states in the US have programs that pay for all necessary adaptive software / hardware and training. Despite the large amount of money spent here, there are serious issues with people who don't know hoe to write web pages. The other big issue is new cell phones that have few physical buttons (I have been told that the iPhone is better on this front than Android). This is about 80% OT but you asked. I'm also sure that Google can get you more reliable info on this topic than I. Hopefully if you design software or web pages, you'll consider how you'd use it without eyes.
Re: Subscription
On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:27 +0100, Lisi wrote: > On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, I > > guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff. > > I'm fascinated. How do you read braille from a monitor??! > > My blind friends (even one who can read Braille at a phenomenal rate) all use > text to speech software. Though the point about difficulty scanning still > holds good. > > That is not sarcasm incidentally. I would genuinely like to know how you can > use braille to read things on the Internet. They can use special hardware for that, it 'translates' the written text to a line of braille on a physical device. Googling "braille hardware gave me this link on top: http://www.indiana.edu/~iuadapts/technology/hardware/braille/index.html I have no experience whatsoever with any kind of these devices and Linux, wearing a pair of glasses is enough for me to clearly read the screen. I am no expert by any means. > > Lisi > > Kind regards, Steven signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription
On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 11:43 +0100, Lisi wrote: > On Saturday 11 June 2011 11:07:36 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:27 +0100, Lisi wrote: > > > On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, > > > > I guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff. > > > > > > I'm fascinated. How do you read braille from a monitor??! > > > > I've got good eyes and don't have braille ;). But I'm a dyslexic. > > You misunderstood my question. "You" in English, in addition to being the > second person plural and singular pronoun, is also the third person singular > indefinate pronoun equivalent to the French "on". You (second person > singular) said "I guess using braille, people have to read much more > irrelevant stuff" and I asked how on earth these putative people, using > braille to read things on the Internet, did so. I cannot see how anyone uses > braille on the Internet, so I asked you (second person singular) how such a > person would do so. Ok, I guess I understand now. I don't know, but perhaps it's possible by using w3m. There are some sites made by blind people and those sides use a different style, compared to usual web pages. Please run $ w3m http://www.webbie.org.uk/webbie.htm This IMO is even more pleasant for people who are able to see ;). No folderol. Btw. I didn't read it. > > > My blind friends (even one who can read Braille at a phenomenal rate) all > > > use text to speech software. Though the point about difficulty scanning > > > still holds good. > > > > Try Orca or so, you can't use it for all applications. Fortunately blind > > people can use Linux easier than other OS, because there's software with > > good config files, so they don't need the GUI :). > > Very sadly, this is not true. There is marvellous text to speech software > available, very expensively, for Windows. I have looked into Linux and have > not so far found anything to touch it. Mind you, testing is as you (second > person singular) say difficult, because I am not good at managing without > some sort of visual hint. I like pictures very much! I guess even for blind people a relief will give more information than words sometimes can do. Regarding to accessibility I might be thinking of audio only. I guess on Windows and Mac it's harder for blind musicians, but I might be mistaken. FWIW even seeing and sane artists prefer engineers to handle the computer equipment. Herbie Hancock On Sesame Street http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5C4VF7xdcc Computers are bad designed for intuitive people. This 68000 CPU computer based synth is much better designed, regarding to the needs of musicians than Windows, Mac and Linux desktops are. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307790835.2378.153.camel@debian
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2011/6/11 Lisi : > On Saturday 11 June 2011 11:07:36 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > [snip] >> > That is not sarcasm incidentally. I would genuinely like to know how you >> > can use braille to read things on the Internet. >> >> A misunderstanding, perhaps regarding to my broken English. > > No, I fully understood you (second person singular). You (second person > singular) said that you (second person singular) are dyslexic. But _you_ > (second person singular) misunderstood _me_. It is difficult for me to know > what I should avoid on an international list, and "one" as a pronoun > effectively died in the mid twentieth century, so complicated periphrasis can > be avoided only by using the pronoun "you" in the third person instead of > using "one", which it has replaced in the language. > > And as you (second person singular) see here, attempts to clarify or rephrase > are necessarily very clumsy. > > Lisi > Maybe it is time for big revolution in English language of XXI century - the revival of pronoun "one". For one thing, I'm still encountering pronoun "one", and it is quite often, so I wouldn't be so hasty to this judgment of effective death (though it may be caused by wandering in strange dark corners of Internet). darkestkhan -- Feel free to CC me. jid: darkestk...@gmail.com May The Source be with You. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktiktgh0c46r6e4lz_vhrx2sfxn1...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription
On Saturday 11 June 2011 11:07:36 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:27 +0100, Lisi wrote: > > On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, > > > I guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff. > > > > I'm fascinated. How do you read braille from a monitor??! > > I've got good eyes and don't have braille ;). But I'm a dyslexic. You misunderstood my question. "You" in English, in addition to being the second person plural and singular pronoun, is also the third person singular indefinate pronoun equivalent to the French "on". You (second person singular) said "I guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff" and I asked how on earth these putative people, using braille to read things on the Internet, did so. I cannot see how anyone uses braille on the Internet, so I asked you (second person singular) how such a person would do so. > > My blind friends (even one who can read Braille at a phenomenal rate) all > > use text to speech software. Though the point about difficulty scanning > > still holds good. > > Try Orca or so, you can't use it for all applications. Fortunately blind > people can use Linux easier than other OS, because there's software with > good config files, so they don't need the GUI :). Very sadly, this is not true. There is marvellous text to speech software available, very expensively, for Windows. I have looked into Linux and have not so far found anything to touch it. Mind you, testing is as you (second person singular) say difficult, because I am not good at managing without some sort of visual hint. > On Linux audio users there are two blind users and they use Hydrogen by > setting up this drum machine by it's config file. The GUI can't be used > with Orca speech software. [snip] > > That is not sarcasm incidentally. I would genuinely like to know how you > > can use braille to read things on the Internet. > > A misunderstanding, perhaps regarding to my broken English. No, I fully understood you (second person singular). You (second person singular) said that you (second person singular) are dyslexic. But _you_ (second person singular) misunderstood _me_. It is difficult for me to know what I should avoid on an international list, and "one" as a pronoun effectively died in the mid twentieth century, so complicated periphrasis can be avoided only by using the pronoun "you" in the third person instead of using "one", which it has replaced in the language. And as you (second person singular) see here, attempts to clarify or rephrase are necessarily very clumsy. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110643.23612.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription
On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:27 +0100, Lisi wrote: > On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, I > > guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff. > > I'm fascinated. How do you read braille from a monitor??! I've got good eyes and don't have braille ;). But I'm a dyslexic. > My blind friends (even one who can read Braille at a phenomenal rate) all use > text to speech software. Though the point about difficulty scanning still > holds good. Try Orca or so, you can't use it for all applications. Fortunately blind people can use Linux easier than other OS, because there's software with good config files, so they don't need the GUI :). On Linux audio users there are two blind users and they use Hydrogen by setting up this drum machine by it's config file. The GUI can't be used with Orca speech software. I tried Orca with closed eyes, horrible. You and I, we have good luck that we are able to see. I guess impaired people very often need help when using Linux installers. I'm pissed off that the world is made for averaged people only ;), even that I'm more or less averaged myself, so there aren't that much issues for me, excepted of empathy for people who are different. For Linux there is software for children, that shows, that it's possible to give access to the computer for illiterates or mentally retarded, but there is no such software for adults like e.g. http://tuxpaint.org/ I guess illiterates or mentally retarded adults would prefer to use Gimp instead of tuxpaint ;). > That is not sarcasm incidentally. I would genuinely like to know how you can > use braille to read things on the Internet. A misunderstanding, perhaps regarding to my broken English. My eyes just need + 0.5 or + 0.75 glasses (= + 1.0 for the glasses from the supermarket), so I do have very good eyes. I'm not blind. My issues regarding to reading are caused by dyslexia. So, I'm using a monitor ;). Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307786856.2378.101.camel@debian
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:50:28 -0400, Morning Star wrote: > i want to join this mailing lists because i have a question about > debian. This is an open list, you can post at any time, no subscription needed. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.06.11.09.54...@gmail.com
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On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, I > guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff. I'm fascinated. How do you read braille from a monitor??! My blind friends (even one who can read Braille at a phenomenal rate) all use text to speech software. Though the point about difficulty scanning still holds good. That is not sarcasm incidentally. I would genuinely like to know how you can use braille to read things on the Internet. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201106111027.32725.lisi.re...@gmail.com
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On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 23:13 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:50:28 -0400 (EDT), "Morning Star" wrote: > > > > i want to join this mailing lists because i have a question about debian. > > See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ for instructions on how to subscribe. It's bad that the Linux community tends to educate people with tons of redundant words, when they don't have a choice not to read it. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ IMO would be the better link and if somebody already has subscribed and a subscription mail came through the list, this isn't fatal. Dyslexia, braille and other reasons should be good enough to reduce the amount of words for basic information. A thread with redundant words is ok, because everybody is free not to read it. No rant ;), just 2 cents, since I'm a dyslexic and wonder about this Linux own issue. E.g. read a book to set up your boot loaders menu and now read a book about how to subscribe to a Debian mailing list. I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, I guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307783104.2378.70.camel@debian
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On 11 June 2011 13:13, Stephen Powell wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:50:28 -0400 (EDT), "Morning Star" wrote: > > > > i want to join this mailing lists because i have a question about debian. > > See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ for instructions on how to > subscribe. > Yes, join the list if you have a substantial number of questions to ask, or you intend running Debian, or for any other instance of longer term use. But for one question, simply ask. This is why it's an open list. If nobody replies directly, the answer will be in the archive which is also readily publicly available. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
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