Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The archives are replete with very valid reasons why people don't trust aptitude. Not really. A lot of vague rumors flying about though. -Miles -- We are all lying in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. -Oscar Wilde -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 13:35:00 -0300, Gabriel Parrondo wrote: El jue, 20-09-2007 a las 08:56 -0700, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum escribió: I see that Gnome 2.20 was just released. Im running Debian Etch, which still seems to be stuck on Gnome 2.14, even though 2.16 was released about a year ago and 2.18 since then. What are the plans for integrating more up-to-date versions of Gnome into Etch, or into later versions of Debian? I dont have any special needs but would rather up as up to date as possible with apps and setup and bug fixes. Since Etch is now the stable distribution, it is frozen, which means that no newer apps will enter it (except for security fixes). If you want more up-to-date apps you'd rather use Lenny, which is the actual testing distribution. It has the advantage of being up-to-date while keeping a good level of stability. It's meant for final users (unlike stable, which is meant for servers) If you want to have the last version of every program then you should use Sid, which is always the unstable distribution... but, as you might have guessed from the name, it's not very stable. I'd just like to point out that testing and unstable mean different things when used in a Debian context than in the context of many other distributions and operating systems. IMHO Debian's unstable is far more stable than a stable release of Windows. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus＠therning．org Jabber: magnus．therning＠gmail．com http://therning.org/magnus signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/21/07 00:43, Miles Bader wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The archives are replete with very valid reasons why people don't trust aptitude. Not really. A lot of vague rumors flying about though. Vague rumors to you, first-hand experience to me. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG87t4S9HxQb37XmcRAhClAKDcYruHVNebPx+yY8XgTEHGkXjgVgCfSew0 Lf1WMD1Pcxe5A02knFVmcMQ= =Zhcb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 07:39:20AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 09/21/07 00:43, Miles Bader wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The archives are replete with very valid reasons why people don't trust aptitude. Not really. A lot of vague rumors flying about though. Vague rumors to you, first-hand experience to me. I know you, and many others, have had trouble with aptitude, but I feel its important to point out that aptitude does what one tells it too. Now, one may be unintentionally telling it to do something one doesn't want, but that is another issue. Aptitude appears, to me, to have much more sophisticated behavior than apt-get, and that behavior may appear cryptic if not downright intentionally destructive but that behavior *is* predictable, knowable and can be altered to fit the circumstance. It's, more often than not, I think, a matter of learning a different tool and understanding what it does. Thankfully, we have choice in the matter and can use the package-manager of choice. :) A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
El vie, 21-09-2007 a las 08:46 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West escribió: On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 07:39:20AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 09/21/07 00:43, Miles Bader wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The archives are replete with very valid reasons why people don't trust aptitude. Not really. A lot of vague rumors flying about though. Vague rumors to you, first-hand experience to me. I know you, and many others, have had trouble with aptitude, but I feel its important to point out that aptitude does what one tells it too. Now, one may be unintentionally telling it to do something one doesn't want, but that is another issue. Aptitude appears, to me, to have much more sophisticated behavior than apt-get, and that behavior may appear cryptic if not downright intentionally destructive but that behavior *is* predictable, knowable and can be altered to fit the circumstance. It's, more often than not, I think, a matter of learning a different tool and understanding what it does. From my personal experience, aptitude works much better if you use it as your package manager since the moment you install Debian than if you migrate to it after some time of using apt. Anyway, I gave up on it, is too smart for me :-P. -- Gabriel Parrondo GNU/Linux User #404138 GnuPG Public Key ID: BED7BF43 JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only difference between theory and practice is that, in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 03:28:24PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 09/20/07 13:40, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 03:10:38PM -0300, Gabriel Parrondo wrote: [snip] Of course it's not meant for final users in the same sense as ubuntu is, you may get some dependency problems from time to time, but nothing hard to solve with a few 'apt-get install ...' (don't use aptitude on a non-stable distro!) Could you elaborate on this? I have been using aptitude on sid for about two years without problems. It likes to purge packages that it really shouldn't. That bug was solved. nitpick aptitude by default does not _purge_ packages on autoremove. You have to set Aptitude::Purge-Unused true; in apt.conf /nitpick Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/21/07 12:42, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 03:28:24PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 09/20/07 13:40, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 03:10:38PM -0300, Gabriel Parrondo wrote: [snip] Of course it's not meant for final users in the same sense as ubuntu is, you may get some dependency problems from time to time, but nothing hard to solve with a few 'apt-get install ...' (don't use aptitude on a non-stable distro!) Could you elaborate on this? I have been using aptitude on sid for about two years without problems. It likes to purge packages that it really shouldn't. That bug was solved. That's good to know. nitpick aptitude by default does not _purge_ packages on autoremove. You have to set Aptitude::Purge-Unused true; in apt.conf /nitpick Did I write purge? I'd have sworn I changed that to removed. Oh well. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG9BGRS9HxQb37XmcRAkqsAKCl9YSp9csXt9IIMrPEywvZf37rYACfVyZs /JrONGTyI/Nyngt8zZGQwVw= =WoXT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/21/07 10:46, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 07:39:20AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 09/21/07 00:43, Miles Bader wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The archives are replete with very valid reasons why people don't trust aptitude. Not really. A lot of vague rumors flying about though. Vague rumors to you, first-hand experience to me. I know you, and many others, have had trouble with aptitude, but I feel its important to point out that aptitude does what one tells it too. Now, one may be unintentionally telling it to do something one doesn't want, but that is another issue. # aptitude upgrade doesn't mean remove GNOME, perl and everything they depend on. Aptitude appears, to me, to have much more sophisticated behavior than apt-get, Sophisticated, yes. Excessively clever, no. and that behavior may appear cryptic if not downright intentionally destructive but that behavior *is* predictable, knowable and can be altered to fit the circumstance. It's, more often than not, I think, a matter of learning a different tool and understanding what it does. Thankfully, we have choice in the matter and can use the package-manager of choice. :) This is true. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG9BDQS9HxQb37XmcRAsnTAKCFbiYHPi7VbPlZBK6tRH2/GDbXMgCeJ9YM prcibg37z1LsnuDtmioakXk= =oPWt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:43:28 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/21/07 10:46, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 07:39:20AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 09/21/07 00:43, Miles Bader wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The archives are replete with very valid reasons why people don't trust aptitude. Not really. A lot of vague rumors flying about though. Vague rumors to you, first-hand experience to me. I know you, and many others, have had trouble with aptitude, but I feel its important to point out that aptitude does what one tells it too. Now, one may be unintentionally telling it to do something one doesn't want, but that is another issue. # aptitude upgrade doesn't mean remove GNOME, perl and everything they depend on. And that has not happened to me. Seems like if that is hte best solution aptitude came up with for you, the package state on that machine was strange; and that would mean surely things will rise up and bite you at some later point. If ever aptitude (and not, thankfully, apt, in Sid) try and delete hug swaths of stuff, it would well behoove you to find out why -- usually, it is a Sid issue, and goes away after new processing, or the next upload, or something. Thankfully, we have choice in the matter and can use the package-manager of choice. :) This is true. Now that libapt has gotten the same algorithms aptitude uses, perhaps apt-get, aptitude, and synaptic behaviour will be closer to each others than it has been in the past. manoj -- Long computations which yield zero are probably all for naught. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/21/07 17:31, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:43:28 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 09/21/07 10:46, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 07:39:20AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 09/21/07 00:43, Miles Bader wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The archives are replete with very valid reasons why people don't trust aptitude. Not really. A lot of vague rumors flying about though. Vague rumors to you, first-hand experience to me. I know you, and many others, have had trouble with aptitude, but I feel its important to point out that aptitude does what one tells it too. Now, one may be unintentionally telling it to do something one doesn't want, but that is another issue. # aptitude upgrade doesn't mean remove GNOME, perl and everything they depend on. And that has not happened to me. Seems like if that is hte best solution aptitude came up with for you, the package state on that machine was strange; and that would mean surely things will rise up and bite you at some later point. But at the same time, #apt-get upgrade worked perfectly. If ever aptitude (and not, thankfully, apt, in Sid) try and delete hug swaths of stuff, it would well behoove you to find out why -- usually, it is a Sid issue, and goes away after new processing, or the next upload, or something. Like I said, apt-get never wanted to remove packages. Sometimes it would hold back *lots* of packages, but never remove them. Thankfully, we have choice in the matter and can use the package-manager of choice. :) This is true. Now that libapt has gotten the same algorithms aptitude uses, perhaps apt-get, aptitude, and synaptic behaviour will be closer to each others than it has been in the past. I've noticed recently that now apt-get occasionally *suggests* that certain obsolete packages be remove. And that's good. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG9EwVS9HxQb37XmcRAnCiAKDBoZAuEuoFIU7eqH12PzlHZijYVwCg15NW as8DhcbB6dnzGtR/3ZIYl6Q= =/sqZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:56:21 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/21/07 17:31, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:43:28 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 09/21/07 10:46, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 07:39:20AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 09/21/07 00:43, Miles Bader wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The archives are replete with very valid reasons why people don't trust aptitude. Not really. A lot of vague rumors flying about though. Vague rumors to you, first-hand experience to me. I know you, and many others, have had trouble with aptitude, but I feel its important to point out that aptitude does what one tells it too. Now, one may be unintentionally telling it to do something one doesn't want, but that is another issue. # aptitude upgrade doesn't mean remove GNOME, perl and everything they depend on. And that has not happened to me. Seems like if that is hte best solution aptitude came up with for you, the package state on that machine was strange; and that would mean surely things will rise up and bite you at some later point. But at the same time, #apt-get upgrade worked perfectly. I am not so sure it worked perfectly. It allowed you machine to stay in an inconsistent state, while aptitude tried to fix it. Do this long enough, then th recovery becomes painful. If ever aptitude (and not, thankfully, apt, in Sid) try and delete hug swaths of stuff, it would well behoove you to find out why -- usually, it is a Sid issue, and goes away after new processing, or the next upload, or something. Like I said, apt-get never wanted to remove packages. Sometimes it would hold back *lots* of packages, but never remove them. aptitude offers tonnes of solutions to cycle through, and you can often unjam things by aptitude instal'ing one or few packages. manoj -- System going down at 5 this afternoon to install scheduler bug. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/21/07 20:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:56:21 -0500, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [snip] But at the same time, #apt-get upgrade worked perfectly. I am not so sure it worked perfectly. It allowed you machine to stay in an inconsistent state, while aptitude tried to fix it. Do this long enough, then th recovery becomes painful. [snip] Like I said, apt-get never wanted to remove packages. Sometimes it would hold back *lots* of packages, but never remove them. aptitude offers tonnes of solutions to cycle through, and you can often unjam things by aptitude instal'ing one or few packages. All I can say is that I've been running Sid since about a year afte Potato went Stable, and my system has never gotten into an inconsistent state, and thus has never been painful to recover from. Maybe you are channeling Mandrake 8.0. Now *that* was painful (and impossible) to upgrade - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG9IbFS9HxQb37XmcRAvqLAKClAjlIDsIrvL2jualae4NvMPZQXgCeJz8s m1d58PyqRo5Z5NiHo17/DN8= =lym4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 03:10:38PM -0300, Gabriel Parrondo [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Of course it's not meant for final users in the same sense as ubuntu is, you may get some dependency problems from time to time, but nothing hard to solve with a few 'apt-get install ...' (don't use aptitude on a non-stable distro!) I use aptitude almost exclusively on unstable and testing systems. What sorts of problems have you run into that I haven't? Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:09:30 -0700 Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 03:10:38PM -0300, Gabriel Parrondo [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Of course it's not meant for final users in the same sense as ubuntu is, you may get some dependency problems from time to time, but nothing hard to solve with a few 'apt-get install ...' (don't use aptitude on a non-stable distro!) I use aptitude almost exclusively on unstable and testing systems. What sorts of problems have you run into that I haven't? Daniel I've used aptitude exlusively (on stable) since about a month after I began using Debian. I maintain 5 machines, all using aptitude. When I first switched from apt-get to aptitude there were some problems, but not since then. -- Raquel The good neighbor looks beyond the external accidents and discerns those inner qualities that make all men human and, therefore, brothers. --Martin Luther King, Jr. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:09:30 -0700 Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 03:10:38PM -0300, Gabriel Parrondo [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Of course it's not meant for final users in the same sense as ubuntu is, you may get some dependency problems from time to time, but nothing hard to solve with a few 'apt-get install ...' (don't use aptitude on a non-stable distro!) I use aptitude almost exclusively on unstable and testing systems. What sorts of problems have you run into that I haven't? Daniel I've used aptitude exlusively (on stable) since about a month after I began using Debian. I maintain 5 machines, all using aptitude. When I first switched from apt-get to aptitude there were some problems, but not since then. -- Raquel The good neighbor looks beyond the external accidents and discerns those inner qualities that make all men human and, therefore, brothers. --Martin Luther King, Jr. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Up-to-date Gnome versions?
I see that Gnome 2.20 was just released. Im running Debian Etch, which still seems to be stuck on Gnome 2.14, even though 2.16 was released about a year ago and 2.18 since then. What are the plans for integrating more up-to-date versions of Gnome into Etch, or into later versions of Debian? I dont have any special needs but would rather up as up to date as possible with apps and setup and bug fixes. Thanks, Jen - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
El jue, 20-09-2007 a las 08:56 -0700, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum escribió: I see that Gnome 2.20 was just released. Im running Debian Etch, which still seems to be stuck on Gnome 2.14, even though 2.16 was released about a year ago and 2.18 since then. What are the plans for integrating more up-to-date versions of Gnome into Etch, or into later versions of Debian? I dont have any special needs but would rather up as up to date as possible with apps and setup and bug fixes. Since Etch is now the stable distribution, it is frozen, which means that no newer apps will enter it (except for security fixes). If you want more up-to-date apps you'd rather use Lenny, which is the actual testing distribution. It has the advantage of being up-to-date while keeping a good level of stability. It's meant for final users (unlike stable, which is meant for servers) If you want to have the last version of every program then you should use Sid, which is always the unstable distribution... but, as you might have guessed from the name, it's not very stable. -- Gabriel Parrondo GNU/Linux User #404138 GnuPG Public Key ID: BED7BF43 JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only difference between theory and practice is that, in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/20/07 10:56, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote: I see that Gnome 2.20 was just released. Im running Debian Etch, which Etch is Stable, and Stable only gets security patches. still seems to be stuck on Gnome 2.14, even though 2.16 was released about a year ago and 2.18 since then. What are the plans for integrating more up-to-date versions of Gnome into Etch, Never. By policy and design. or into later versions of Debian? Sid has been 2.18 for a while, and is now migrating to 2.20. Don't know about Lenny. It probably has 2.18, and will probably get 2.20 in a month or so. I dont have any special needs but would rather up as up to date as possible with apps and setup and bug fixes. If you want something modern, upgrade to Lenny. (It's testing, but since everything in Testing passes thru Unstable first, where many bugs are caught and fixed. If you have the stomach for occasional isolated bits of breakage (that gets fixed in anywhere from a day to a week), run Sid. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG8qiPS9HxQb37XmcRAsIeAKCHgKeRK2e9lBuU8lDvqhEobn1LRwCffTel RK9kQirlGo1EysIh5YYRgoY= =SjLI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
2007/9/20, Gabriel Parrondo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: El jue, 20-09-2007 a las 08:56 -0700, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum escribió: I see that Gnome 2.20 was just released. Im running Debian Etch, which still seems to be stuck on Gnome 2.14, even though 2.16 was released about a year ago and 2.18 since then. Since Etch is now the stable distribution, it is frozen, which means that no newer apps will enter it (except for security fixes). If you want more up-to-date apps you'd rather use Lenny, which is the actual testing distribution. It has the advantage of being up-to-date while keeping a good level of stability. It's meant for final users (unlike stable, which is meant for servers) no testing is not meant for end users, it's ment for testing! Testing means that things may break and you are on your own if things break. It also means that by installing testing by definition you declare that you to some extent know what you are doing and are able to fix this yourself or wait until someone fixes it for you (probably with the next aptitude full-upgrade - which is btw. afaik the recommended way of the former apt-get dist-upgrade iirc). It's not bad to use but you are asking for trouble if you use testing and aren't aware of the above. martin
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
El jue, 20-09-2007 a las 19:52 +0200, Martin Marcher escribió: 2007/9/20, Gabriel Parrondo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: El jue, 20-09-2007 a las 08:56 -0700, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum escribió: I see that Gnome 2.20 was just released. Im running Debian Etch, which still seems to be stuck on Gnome 2.14, even though 2.16 was released about a year ago and 2.18 since then. Since Etch is now the stable distribution, it is frozen, which means that no newer apps will enter it (except for security fixes). If you want more up-to-date apps you'd rather use Lenny, which is the actual testing distribution. It has the advantage of being up-to-date while keeping a good level of stability. It's meant for final users (unlike stable, which is meant for servers) no testing is not meant for end users, it's ment for testing! OK, but I've been using testing for a long time now and haven't had any problems, not even when I passed from etch to lenny. I usually install/deinstall packages just for testing them, debianize packages myself and install them, etc. and nothing got broken so far. IMO, it's the distribution a final user would prefer. [...] -- Gabriel Parrondo GNU/Linux User #404138 GnuPG Public Key ID: BED7BF43 JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only difference between theory and practice is that, in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
El jue, 20-09-2007 a las 10:42 -0700, Amit Uttamchandani escribió: If you want more up-to-date apps you'd rather use Lenny, which is the actual testing distribution. It has the advantage of being up-to-date while keeping a good level of stability. It's meant for final users (unlike stable, which is meant for servers) The testing is meant for final users? I mean I am using etch on a laptop but of course would like some of the latest versions of some programs without having to compile them from source. So lenny is quite stable then for end desktop users? Yes it is. Of course it's not meant for final users in the same sense as ubuntu is, you may get some dependency problems from time to time, but nothing hard to solve with a few 'apt-get install ...' (don't use aptitude on a non-stable distro!) -- Gabriel Parrondo GNU/Linux User #404138 GnuPG Public Key ID: BED7BF43 JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only difference between theory and practice is that, in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 03:10:38PM -0300, Gabriel Parrondo wrote: El jue, 20-09-2007 a las 10:42 -0700, Amit Uttamchandani escribió: If you want more up-to-date apps you'd rather use Lenny, which is the actual testing distribution. It has the advantage of being up-to-date while keeping a good level of stability. It's meant for final users (unlike stable, which is meant for servers) The testing is meant for final users? I mean I am using etch on a laptop but of course would like some of the latest versions of some programs without having to compile them from source. So lenny is quite stable then for end desktop users? Yes it is. Of course it's not meant for final users in the same sense as ubuntu is, you may get some dependency problems from time to time, but nothing hard to solve with a few 'apt-get install ...' (don't use aptitude on a non-stable distro!) Could you elaborate on this? I have been using aptitude on sid for about two years without problems. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
On 9/20/07, Gabriel Parrondo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course it's not meant for final users in the same sense as ubuntu is, you may get some dependency problems from time to time, but nothing hard to solve with a few 'apt-get install ...' (don't use aptitude on a non-stable distro!) I used Aptitude on testing for several years and now I am using it on unstable. I have never had any problems with it. Cheers, Kelly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 21:40:24 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 03:10:38PM -0300, Gabriel Parrondo wrote: [...] Of course it's not meant for final users in the same sense as ubuntu is, you may get some dependency problems from time to time, but nothing hard to solve with a few 'apt-get install ...' (don't use aptitude on a non-stable distro!) Could you elaborate on this? I have been using aptitude on sid for about two years without problems. You probably cheated by actually reading the relevant manuals... -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/20/07 13:40, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 03:10:38PM -0300, Gabriel Parrondo wrote: [snip] Of course it's not meant for final users in the same sense as ubuntu is, you may get some dependency problems from time to time, but nothing hard to solve with a few 'apt-get install ...' (don't use aptitude on a non-stable distro!) Could you elaborate on this? I have been using aptitude on sid for about two years without problems. It likes to purge packages that it really shouldn't. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG8tfoS9HxQb37XmcRAi58AJ4sNCtjs2lQ8s9XligUXfSCCSRH3gCgivMz XOxH4+tGCFxNK7z19BG430s= =UWW9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 03:10:38PM -0300, Gabriel Parrondo wrote: El jue, 20-09-2007 a las 10:42 -0700, Amit Uttamchandani escribió: If you want more up-to-date apps you'd rather use Lenny, which is the actual testing distribution. It has the advantage of being up-to-date while keeping a good level of stability. It's meant for final users (unlike stable, which is meant for servers) The testing is meant for final users? I mean I am using etch on a laptop but of course would like some of the latest versions of some programs without having to compile them from source. So lenny is quite stable then for end desktop users? Yes it is. Of course it's not meant for final users in the same sense as ubuntu is, you may get some dependency problems from time to time, but nothing hard to solve with a few 'apt-get install ...' (don't use aptitude on a non-stable distro!) Whyever not? I've been using aptitude on various testing/unstable systems since before Sarge was released and I've never had a problem. In fact, hasn't aptitude been recommended over apt-get since Sarge? -- Benjamin A'Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://subvert.org.uk/~bma/ Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes. - Mahatma Gandhi signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:10:38 -0300 Gabriel Parrondo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El jue, 20-09-2007 a las 10:42 -0700, Amit Uttamchandani escribió: If you want more up-to-date apps you'd rather use Lenny, which is the actual testing distribution. It has the advantage of being up-to-date //snip// Yes it is. to solve with a few 'apt-get install ...' (don't use aptitude on a non-stable distro!) Why? I use it all the time and rarely have problems. - -- Change the world one loan at a time - visit Kiva.org to find out how -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG8w/JzWG7ldLG6fIRAh2GAKC0RFFDWwu8ZyA4fCmLn3VfZtUpHQCfWgiv dKeIbw42ZZHpzBvfsVx+/yQ= =VMM5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (don't use aptitude on a non-stable distro!) Could you elaborate on this? I have been using aptitude on sid for about two years without problems. Various people seem to have a bug up their butt about aptitude (if apt-get was good enough for Jesus...). -Miles -- Come now, if we were really planning to harm you, would we be waiting here, beside the path, in the very darkest part of the forest? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/20/07 21:40, Miles Bader wrote: Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (don't use aptitude on a non-stable distro!) Could you elaborate on this? I have been using aptitude on sid for about two years without problems. Various people seem to have a bug up their butt about aptitude (if apt-get was good enough for Jesus...). No KJV-only attitudes here. (http://www.bible.ca/b-kjv-only.htm) The archives are replete with very valid reasons why people don't trust aptitude. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG80SSS9HxQb37XmcRAqRXAKCQjpP7gq6QzSt5sFz5/rC0J+Qm9gCfYbSW E4NBBIIwKpvs9irx7+LF9zs= =pZQm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
