Re: Using Computer Modern PS fonts with LaTeX?
Hi, * Ron Hale-Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It won't include EPS files, and lays out some files in a broken way Have you already tried epstopdf? completely unlike LaTeX proper. That never happened to me, and I have not heard from anyone seeing this. It just uses TeX inside... Hmmm. OK, I did this and I'm still getting ugly fonts in my PDF file via ps2pdf. But I noticed that if I use, say, utopia.sty, I still get ugly fonts, and Utopia only comes as a PS Type 1 font, doesn't it? Yes, but it could have been converted using gsftopk or something. Could I be mistaken about what is causing the ugly fonts? Is it something other than a Type 1 problem? pdfLaTeX produces lovely fonts, so I know pretty versions of the CM fonts can be included with a PDF file. For an example of what I mean by ugly fonts, see http://www.ludism.org/rpg/osprey_ugly.pdf. This was produced using the suggested fix above. Uses Type 3 fonts, as can be seen in File| Document Info| Fonts. Did dvips tell about some .pfb or .pfa fonts? Can you send it's output (just the first few lines)? Try maybe a mktexlsr (both as root *as well* as user). Colin -- Colin Marquardt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using Computer Modern PS fonts with LaTeX?
* Ron Hale-Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At 08:05 PM 12/6/99 +0100, Colin Marquardt wrote:
* Eric G Miller egm2@jps.net writes:
If you don't need them to be CMR fonts (which I don't think Acrobat can
display well), try '\usepackage{times}'. That'll give you Postscript 1
fonts. Since AcroReader only understands 11 fonts, *only* Times Roman,
Helvetica, Courier [New?], and Zapf Dingbats will render well on the
display (though bitmap fonts print fine in my experience). The only
That assumes one is going the ps2pdf route (which uses gs).
Hopefully, gs 6.0 will remove that limitation, but that is not
entirely clear. (Just to state that this is not a limitation of the
PDF format...) pdftex (and, AFAIK, dvipdfm) work fine with
non-standard fonts.
Ah. I missed part of this conversation. So if I use Slink gs then I am
doomed to lousy PDF files with anything but Times and friends? Now I
understand.
Argh, I missed my own statement in the post I just sent. Going to bed
now :-)
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Re: Using Computer Modern PS fonts with LaTeX?
At 01:12 AM 12/7/99 +0100, you wrote:
* Ron Hale-Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At 08:05 PM 12/6/99 +0100, Colin Marquardt wrote:
* Eric G Miller egm2@jps.net writes:
If you don't need them to be CMR fonts (which I don't think Acrobat can
display well), try '\usepackage{times}'. That'll give you Postscript 1
fonts. Since AcroReader only understands 11 fonts, *only* Times Roman,
Helvetica, Courier [New?], and Zapf Dingbats will render well on the
display (though bitmap fonts print fine in my experience). The only
That assumes one is going the ps2pdf route (which uses gs).
Hopefully, gs 6.0 will remove that limitation, but that is not
entirely clear. (Just to state that this is not a limitation of the
PDF format...) pdftex (and, AFAIK, dvipdfm) work fine with
non-standard fonts.
Ah. I missed part of this conversation. So if I use Slink gs then I am
doomed to lousy PDF files with anything but Times and friends? Now I
understand.
Argh, I missed my own statement in the post I just sent. Going to bed
now :-)
No biggie. I missed this one too.
Thanks, everybody! I converted my EPS graphic to PDF and now pdfLaTeX works
just fine.
Here's hoping gs 6.0 fixes some font issues...
Ron
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Re: Using Computer Modern PS fonts with LaTeX?
At 01:08 AM 12/7/99 +0100, you wrote: Hi, * Ron Hale-Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It won't include EPS files, and lays out some files in a broken way Have you already tried epstopdf? completely unlike LaTeX proper. That never happened to me, and I have not heard from anyone seeing this. It just uses TeX inside... Hmmm. Try pdflatex on http://www.nada.kth.se/~nv89-nun/offloading/mlg.tex.Z. Produces weird output, nothing like what TeX produces. Ron -- Ron Hale-Evans: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... http://www.apocalypse.org/~rwhe/ Center for Ludic Synergy:http://www.ludism.org/ Kennexions GBG artgame: http://kennexions.ludism.org/ Hexagram-8 I Ching Mailing List: http://www.apocalypse.org/~rwhe/hex8.html Positive Revolution FAQ: http://www.ludism.org/posrev/
Re: Using Computer Modern PS fonts with LaTeX?
On Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 05:05:39PM -0800, Ron Hale-Evans wrote: That never happened to me, and I have not heard from anyone seeing this. It just uses TeX inside... Hmmm. Try pdflatex on http://www.nada.kth.se/~nv89-nun/offloading/mlg.tex.Z. Produces weird output, nothing like what TeX produces. Ron Seems normal to me, using pdflatex included in tetex 1.0-5 from potato. Kevin -- Dr Kevin Scott Philips Corporate Intellectual Property Cross Oak Lane, Redhill Tel: +44 1293 815281 Surrey RH1 5HA Fax: +44 1293 815060 UKE-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using Computer Modern PS fonts with LaTeX?
On 12/06/99, Ron Hale-Evans addressed Re: Using Computer Modern PS fonts with
LaTeX?:
Thanks for your help. I have ae.sty with slink. I tried it at your
recommendation, but am still getting the ugly Type 3 CM fonts in my PDF file.
For the record, these are the steps I am taking:
$ latex foo
$ dvips foo -o foo.ps
$ ps2pdf foo.ps foo.pdf
Ah, yes. I've been using ae with pdflatex. I don't remember if that
was a part of Slink's teTeX either. Pdflatex makes a pdf directly
instead of a dvi. Apparently, pdf's are similar in structure to dvi's,
and it does a pretty good job. To use it, you just substitute the
latex command with pdflatex. Images also must be included a bit
differently.
Another font-related tweak I use is
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}, but I don't know that it would make a
difference for this issue.
Happy TeXing,
Jesse
Re: Using Computer Modern PS fonts with LaTeX?
* Jesse Jacobsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ah, yes. I've been using ae with pdflatex. I don't remember if that
was a part of Slink's teTeX either. Pdflatex makes a pdf directly
Yes, in tetex-extra.
Images also must be included a bit
differently.
Not at all! :-)
I hope everyone here uses the graphics package, and *not* obsolete
packages like epsfig or shudder epsf!
In current LaTeX releases (Slink's tetex is enough), the
graphics.cfg file has enough intelligence to know whether you are
compiling with latex or pdflatex, and gives the correct options to
\usepackage{graphicx}.
All you have to do is to give the figure name without file extension
(but you would have done this already if you had read the
/usr/doc/texmf/latex/graphics/epslatex.ps.gz doc).
The graphics backend driver now knows with what you are TeXing the
document, so it can go out and look for the file with an admissible
extension: for pdftex, it's .png, .pdf, .jpg and .mps (MetaPost),
whereas for dvips, its .eps, .ps, .eps.gz, .ps.gz and .eps.Z (found
out from the /usr/lib/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/*.def files).
If you are not satisfied with the priorities in which it chooses
files with identical basename (e.g. figure.pdf over figure.png),
use the \DeclareGraphicsExtension command (page 18 in epslatex.ps).
Another font-related tweak I use is
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}, but I don't know that it would make a
difference for this issue.
Using ae sets up virtual fonts for CM that are encoded in T1 (note
that this has absolutely nothing to do with Type 1 fonts!). That is,
using \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} would normally choose the Metafont EC
fonts, for which there are no PS Type 1 equivalents available. ae
now maps the *CM* Type 1 fonts to have T1 encoding.
If you are only setting 7bit ASCII texts, T1 encoding gives no real
benefit, but for us others it allows proper hyphenation in words
with umlauts and such.
(Your extra \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} does nothing here, as ae already
sets this internally).
Fighting against epsf,
Colin
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Using Computer Modern PS fonts with LaTeX?
I've discovered that the Slink pdflatex doesn't do everything I'd like it to do, so I'm trying to force LaTeX proper to incorporate Computer Modern Type 1 fonts into its PostScript files for conversion to PDF later. I have all the Blue Sky fonts, and pdflatex uses them, but LaTeX still uses the ugly Type 3 CM fonts. Everything I have read about this problem suggests that I need to make a trivial change to psfonts.map to get this to work, but I don't seem to have a psfonts.map file. Is my installation broken, or is this standard for Debian? Any help with getting Type 1 CM fonts to work with LaTeX will be much appreciated. Ron H-E -- Ron Hale-Evans: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... http://www.apocalypse.org/~rwhe/ Center for Ludic Synergy:http://www.ludism.org/ Kennexions GBG artgame: http://kennexions.ludism.org/ Hexagram-8 I Ching Mailing List: http://www.apocalypse.org/~rwhe/hex8.html Positive Revolution FAQ: http://www.ludism.org/posrev/
Re: Using Computer Modern PS fonts with LaTeX?
If you don't need them to be CMR fonts (which I don't think Acrobat can
display well), try '\usepackage{times}'. That'll give you Postscript 1
fonts. Since AcroReader only understands 11 fonts, *only* Times Roman,
Helvetica, Courier [New?], and Zapf Dingbats will render well on the
display (though bitmap fonts print fine in my experience). The only
caveat I'm aware of with using Postscript 1 fonts, as opposed to the
default CMR fonts is scaling for math equations might produce funky
results. I don't do much for equations, so don't know.
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Using Computer Modern PS fonts with LaTeX?
Apologies if you have received this message twice. I've discovered that the Slink pdflatex doesn't do everything I'd like it to do, so I'm trying to force LaTeX proper to incorporate Computer Modern Type 1 fonts into its PostScript files for conversion to PDF later. I have all the Blue Sky fonts, and pdflatex uses them, but LaTeX still uses the ugly Type 3 CM fonts. Everything I have read about this problem suggests that I need to make a trivial change to psfonts.map to get this to work, but I don't seem to have a psfonts.map file. Is my installation broken, or is this standard for Debian? Any help with getting Type 1 CM fonts to work with LaTeX will be much appreciated. Ron H-E -- Ron Hale-Evans: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... http://www.apocalypse.org/~rwhe/ Center for Ludic Synergy:http://www.ludism.org/ Kennexions GBG artgame: http://kennexions.ludism.org/ Hexagram-8 I Ching Mailing List: http://www.apocalypse.org/~rwhe/hex8.html Positive Revolution FAQ: http://www.ludism.org/posrev/
Re: Using Computer Modern PS fonts with LaTeX?
On 12/05/99, Ron Hale-Evans addressed Using Computer Modern PS fonts with
LaTeX?:
Any help with getting Type 1 CM fonts to work with LaTeX will be much
appreciated.
Caveat: I use potato, but maybe this will work on slink too.
Look for an ae package, i.e. \usepackage{ae}. This sets up postscript
versions of the CM fonts that should work in most circumstances. It
may be only in the potato TeTeX.
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Re: Using Computer Modern PS fonts with LaTeX?
* Eric G Miller egm2@jps.net writes:
If you don't need them to be CMR fonts (which I don't think Acrobat can
display well), try '\usepackage{times}'. That'll give you Postscript 1
fonts. Since AcroReader only understands 11 fonts, *only* Times Roman,
Helvetica, Courier [New?], and Zapf Dingbats will render well on the
display (though bitmap fonts print fine in my experience). The only
That assumes one is going the ps2pdf route (which uses gs).
Hopefully, gs 6.0 will remove that limitation, but that is not
entirely clear. (Just to state that this is not a limitation of the
PDF format...) pdftex (and, AFAIK, dvipdfm) work fine with
non-standard fonts.
Another zero $ solution is VTeX from Micropress, which is free
(beer sense) for Linux. It has a PS interpreter built in and can
thus embed EPS figures natively (as opposed to pdflatex, where
one needs epstopdf, which in turn uses gs, with the mentioned
drawbacks for fonts in figures).
caveat I'm aware of with using Postscript 1 fonts, as opposed to the
default CMR fonts is scaling for math equations might produce funky
results. I don't do much for equations, so don't know.
Times math fonts can be faked with the mathptm package, but it is
really only a fake. There is a silimar solution for Palatino, which
I'd choose in favour of Times (which has this M$ Word appeal).
Cheers,
Colin
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| my forehead! I shit you not![Kernel 2.2.0 is announced on /.]
Re: Using Computer Modern PS fonts with LaTeX?
Hi, * Ron Hale-Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've discovered that the Slink pdflatex doesn't do everything I'd like it What are the features you are missing? I have all the Blue Sky fonts, and pdflatex uses them, but LaTeX still uses the ugly Type 3 CM fonts. Everything I have read about this problem suggests that I need to make a trivial change to psfonts.map to get this to work, but I don't seem to have a psfonts.map file. Is my installation broken, or is this standard for Debian? ashwork:~$ dpkg -S psfonts.map tetex-base: /etc/texmf/dvips/psfonts.map tetex-base: /usr/lib/texmf/dvips/base/psfonts.map However, the thing that makes it work for *me* are the following lines in /etc/texmf/dvips/config.ps: | % Uncomment the following two lines to use Postscript Type1 fonts instead of | % bitmap fonts for computer modern co. | p +bsr.map | % p +bakomaextra.map % real bakoma instead of interpolated bsr | p +bsr-missing-interpolated.map % this one *or* the previous one. Not both! | p +hoekwater.map Here, /etc/texmf/dvips/bsr.map has the magic lines: cmb10 CMB10 cmb10.pfb cmbsy10 CMBSY10 cmbsy10.pfb [...] HTH, Colin -- | Re: Kernel size is 666K! I kid you not! | by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 26, @08:50AM | I came home from a Barry Manilow concert once and had 666 burned into | my forehead! I shit you not![Kernel 2.2.0 is announced on /.]
Re: Using Computer Modern PS fonts with LaTeX?
At 08:16 AM 12/6/99 -0600, Jesse Jacobsen wrote:
On 12/05/99, Ron Hale-Evans addressed Using Computer Modern PS fonts with
LaTeX?:
Any help with getting Type 1 CM fonts to work with LaTeX will be much
appreciated.
Caveat: I use potato, but maybe this will work on slink too.
Look for an ae package, i.e. \usepackage{ae}. This sets up postscript
versions of the CM fonts that should work in most circumstances. It
may be only in the potato TeTeX.
Thanks for your help. I have ae.sty with slink. I tried it at your
recommendation, but am still getting the ugly Type 3 CM fonts in my PDF file.
For the record, these are the steps I am taking:
$ latex foo
$ dvips foo -o foo.ps
$ ps2pdf foo.ps foo.pdf
These steps always end up with Type 3 fonts. Should I be doing something else?
Thanks...
Ron H-E
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Re: Using Computer Modern PS fonts with LaTeX?
At 07:47 PM 12/6/99 +0100, Colin Marquardt wrote: * Ron Hale-Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've discovered that the Slink pdflatex doesn't do everything I'd like it What are the features you are missing? It won't include EPS files, and lays out some files in a broken way completely unlike LaTeX proper. I have all the Blue Sky fonts, and pdflatex uses them, but LaTeX still uses the ugly Type 3 CM fonts. ...snip... However, the thing that makes it work for *me* are the following lines in /etc/texmf/dvips/config.ps: | % Uncomment the following two lines to use Postscript Type1 fonts instead of | % bitmap fonts for computer modern co. | p +bsr.map | % p +bakomaextra.map % real bakoma instead of interpolated bsr | p +bsr-missing-interpolated.map % this one *or* the previous one. Not both! | p +hoekwater.map OK, I did this and I'm still getting ugly fonts in my PDF file via ps2pdf. But I noticed that if I use, say, utopia.sty, I still get ugly fonts, and Utopia only comes as a PS Type 1 font, doesn't it? Could I be mistaken about what is causing the ugly fonts? Is it something other than a Type 1 problem? pdfLaTeX produces lovely fonts, so I know pretty versions of the CM fonts can be included with a PDF file. For an example of what I mean by ugly fonts, see http://www.ludism.org/rpg/osprey_ugly.pdf. This was produced using the suggested fix above. Thanks for your help, Colin. Ron -- Ron Hale-Evans: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... http://www.apocalypse.org/~rwhe/ Center for Ludic Synergy:http://www.ludism.org/ Kennexions GBG artgame: http://kennexions.ludism.org/ Hexagram-8 I Ching Mailing List: http://www.apocalypse.org/~rwhe/hex8.html Positive Revolution FAQ: http://www.ludism.org/posrev/
Re: Using Computer Modern PS fonts with LaTeX?
At 08:05 PM 12/6/99 +0100, Colin Marquardt wrote:
* Eric G Miller egm2@jps.net writes:
If you don't need them to be CMR fonts (which I don't think Acrobat can
display well), try '\usepackage{times}'. That'll give you Postscript 1
fonts. Since AcroReader only understands 11 fonts, *only* Times Roman,
Helvetica, Courier [New?], and Zapf Dingbats will render well on the
display (though bitmap fonts print fine in my experience). The only
That assumes one is going the ps2pdf route (which uses gs).
Hopefully, gs 6.0 will remove that limitation, but that is not
entirely clear. (Just to state that this is not a limitation of the
PDF format...) pdftex (and, AFAIK, dvipdfm) work fine with
non-standard fonts.
Ah. I missed part of this conversation. So if I use Slink gs then I am
doomed to lousy PDF files with anything but Times and friends? Now I
understand.
Another zero $ solution is VTeX from Micropress, which is free
(beer sense) for Linux. It has a PS interpreter built in and can
thus embed EPS figures natively (as opposed to pdflatex, where
one needs epstopdf, which in turn uses gs, with the mentioned
drawbacks for fonts in figures).
The EPS problem is the main reason I wasn't using pdfLaTeX. Sounds like
epstopdf might be just what I need. Thanks.
Ron H-E
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