Re: System hacks more than one year.
On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 19:42:54 +, Brian wrote: > On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 19:09:57 +, Leandro neto wrote: > > > > > Hi devs. And users. I am brig jacks since October of 2019 by the same > > person. > > By the way the uses Debian system to do it. I am not a professional I don't > > now > > what to do. Because they crossed the line. They now are impared me to work. > > Distroied all my cell phones. Hacks every email account I have. And put > > something inside every hardware and computer I bought buy the way I have the > > source code. Thouso guy are here to stolen workes banks account. From > > people. > > All my posts on Debian are ereased also on Ubuntu. This is crime also a > > matter > > of public safety > > > > where are the respect the privacy of the others??? Here is a public lin > > ethics > > evidences. They are cowards and come by the cell carries. Fell free to > > remote > > acres my machines. I am no a professional just a physician. > > leandro > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/fovKnEnNXTkqAFkd7 > > > > Enviado via UOL Mail > > Leandro neto, you are off-topic for this thread. It has now moved to > global politics and putting the world to rights. Apoogies Leandro neto, I have mislead you. We have now moved on to how easy (or hard) it is to read and write in certain languages. If the change in topic does not suit you, please edge it towards a discussion on Brexit. -- Brian.
Re: System hacks more than one year.
On Monday 22 March 2021 15:42:54 Brian wrote: > On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 19:09:57 +, Leandro neto wrote: > > Hi devs. And users. I am brig jacks since October of 2019 by the > > same person. By the way the uses Debian system to do it. I am not a > > professional I don't now what to do. Because they crossed the line. > > They now are impared me to work. Distroied all my cell phones. Hacks > > every email account I have. And put something inside every hardware > > and computer I bought buy the way I have the source code. Thouso guy > > are here to stolen workes banks account. From people. All my posts > > on Debian are ereased also on Ubuntu. This is crime also a matter of > > public safety > > > > where are the respect the privacy of the others??? Here is a public > > lin ethics evidences. They are cowards and come by the cell carries. > > Fell free to remote acres my machines. I am no a professional just a > > physician. leandro > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/fovKnEnNXTkqAFkd7 > > > > Enviado via UOL Mail > > Leandro neto, you are off-topic for this thread. It has now moved to > global politics and putting the world to rights. > > You have also posted in html only. That will not endear you to some of > the present participants! Should have been moved to spam or even /dev/null, that isp's address has been in my procmail to be sent to /dev/null for at least 10 years. But now that isp has figured out a way to relay thru a mailing list. Sorry to sound abusive, but that isp has been a major network spam generater since they came online. I've had more than my fill of them. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: System hacks more than one year.
On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 19:09:57 +, Leandro neto wrote: > > Hi devs. And users. I am brig jacks since October of 2019 by the same person. > By the way the uses Debian system to do it. I am not a professional I don't > now > what to do. Because they crossed the line. They now are impared me to work. > Distroied all my cell phones. Hacks every email account I have. And put > something inside every hardware and computer I bought buy the way I have the > source code. Thouso guy are here to stolen workes banks account. From people. > All my posts on Debian are ereased also on Ubuntu. This is crime also a matter > of public safety > > where are the respect the privacy of the others??? Here is a public lin ethics > evidences. They are cowards and come by the cell carries. Fell free to remote > acres my machines. I am no a professional just a physician. > leandro > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/fovKnEnNXTkqAFkd7 > > Enviado via UOL Mail Leandro neto, you are off-topic for this thread. It has now moved to global politics and putting the world to rights. You have also posted in html only. That will not endear you to some of the present participants! -- Brian.
System hacks more than one year.
Hi devs. And users. I am brig jacks since October of 2019 by the same person. By the way the uses Debian system to do it. I am not a professional I don't now what to do. Because they crossed the line. They now are impared me to work. Distroied all my cell phones. Hacks every email account I have. And put something inside every hardware and computer I bought buy the way I have the source code. Thouso guy are here to stolen workes banks account. From people. All my posts on Debian are ereased also on Ubuntu. This is crime also a matter of public safety where are the respect the privacy of the others??? Here is a public lin ethics evidences. They are cowards and come by the cell carries. Fell free to remote acres my machines. I am no a professional just a physician. leandro https://photos.app.goo.gl/fovKnEnNXTkqAFkd7 Enviado via UOL Mail _ Assunto: Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?) De: wea...@riseup.net Enviado em: 22 de março de 2021 5:51 Para: debian-user@lists.debian.org On 22-03-2021 18:13, deloptes wrote: > Long Wind wrote: > >> where do you live? most rich Chinese are considering emigration to West, >> this is called vote by feet. how many people in West come to live in >> china? > > my problem is the language, otherwise we could switch for couple of years to > exchange experience They have some excellent language schools and, being surrounded by it, it's a fast way to learn. -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: are these hacks?
When you go to the site www.sogosearch.com http://www.sogosearch.com you are redirected to a server out of a cluster of servers also called a server farm. They have add a server wich was not configured yet. read more here about servers clusters: http://www.skullbox.net/cluster.php John W Foster wrote: On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 11:02 -0700, David Fox wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Rick Pasotto r...@niof.net mailto:r...@niof.net wrote: Occasionally on some websites I visit daily I'll get one of two incorrect results: 1) The home page for www.sogosearch.com http://www.sogosearch.com 2) A page with nothing but the words It works! on it I get a picture of flowers no matter what word I type, and the word I typed underneath the pic of flowers. I don't think it is a hack so much as an inept site which seems to want to sell flowers. -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. I looked at the source code of the main site page and it appears there is some recent changes in the code; !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd; html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en dir=ltr head profile=http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearch/1.1/; !-- (c) 2002-2009 mnema.com ; v2.0 Dynamic Code Generation by Gregg W. Squires ; beginning conversion to XHTML 2/08 -- titleThe Gigantic Orange Cream-Sicle Search Engine at SoGoSearch.com/title Two things: the code is being changed to an XHTML and it appears to have been created with some type of code generating software that Never results in clean code... It is only partially working many dead links for now. I can't really tell what the site is supposed to be about. Best wishes. -- John Foster No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.49/2050 - Release Date: 04/09/09 10:27:00 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
are these hacks?
Occasionally on some websites I visit daily I'll get one of two incorrect results: 1) The home page for www.sogosearch.com 2) A page with nothing but the words It works! on it There is no pattern. It could happen on a refresh of a page or when going to another page on the site. Often refreshing the page a minute or so later produces the correct results. It seems that the sogosearch may be dns related but what could be causing the second? -- Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil. -- Mary Wollstonecraft, 1794 Rick Pasottor...@niof.nethttp://www.niof.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: are these hacks?
On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 12:20 -0400, Rick Pasotto wrote: Occasionally on some websites I visit daily I'll get one of two incorrect results: 1) The home page for www.sogosearch.com 2) A page with nothing but the words It works! on it This is most likely the default page of the server. It usually indicates a new/unfinished website running on Apache. There is no pattern. It could happen on a refresh of a page or when going to another page on the site. Often refreshing the page a minute or so later produces the correct results. It seems that the sogosearch may be dns related but what could be causing the second? -- Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil. -- Mary Wollstonecraft, 1794 Rick Pasottor...@niof.nethttp://www.niof.net -- John Foster -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: are these hacks?
On 9 Apr 2009, at 17:20, Rick Pasotto r...@niof.net wrote: Occasionally on some websites I visit daily I'll get one of two incorrect results: 1) The home page for www.sogosearch.com 2) A page with nothing but the words It works! on it There is no pattern. It could happen on a refresh of a page or when going to another page on the site. Often refreshing the page a minute or so later produces the correct results. It seems that the sogosearch may be dns related but what could be causing the second? -- Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil. -- Mary Wollstonecraft, 1794 Rick Pasottor...@niof.nethttp://www.niof.net The it works message is the default message for an apache install. That could also be DNS redirecting your queries to 127.0.0.1. What happens if you type cat /etc/resolv.conf in a terminal? Thanks Harry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: are these hacks?
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 05:29:26PM +0100, Harry Rickards wrote: On 9 Apr 2009, at 17:20, Rick Pasotto r...@niof.net wrote: Occasionally on some websites I visit daily I'll get one of two incorrect results: 1) The home page for www.sogosearch.com 2) A page with nothing but the words It works! on it There is no pattern. It could happen on a refresh of a page or when going to another page on the site. Often refreshing the page a minute or so later produces the correct results. It seems that the sogosearch may be dns related but what could be causing the second? The it works message is the default message for an apache install. That could also be DNS redirecting your queries to 127.0.0.1. What happens if you type cat /etc/resolv.conf in a terminal? #OpenDNS nameserver 208.67.222.222 nameserver 208.67.220.220 #Speakeasy nameserver 216.27.175.2 nameserver 216.231.41.2 Is OpenDNS having a problem? -- [A]ny group is weaker than a man alone unless they are perfectly trained to work together. -- Robert Anson Heinlein 1959 _StarShip Troopers_ Rick Pasottor...@niof.nethttp://www.niof.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: are these hacks?
On 9 Apr 2009, at 17:40, Rick Pasotto r...@niof.net wrote: On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 05:29:26PM +0100, Harry Rickards wrote: On 9 Apr 2009, at 17:20, Rick Pasotto r...@niof.net wrote: Occasionally on some websites I visit daily I'll get one of two incorrect results: 1) The home page for www.sogosearch.com 2) A page with nothing but the words It works! on it There is no pattern. It could happen on a refresh of a page or when going to another page on the site. Often refreshing the page a minute or so later produces the correct results. It seems that the sogosearch may be dns related but what could be causing the second? The it works message is the default message for an apache install. That could also be DNS redirecting your queries to 127.0.0.1. What happens if you type cat /etc/resolv.conf in a terminal? #OpenDNS nameserver 208.67.222.222 nameserver 208.67.220.220 #Speakeasy nameserver 216.27.175.2 nameserver 216.231.41.2 Is OpenDNS having a problem? -- [A]ny group is weaker than a man alone unless they are perfectly trained to work together. -- Robert Anson Heinlein 1959 _StarShip Troopers_ Rick Pasottor...@niof.nethttp://www.niof.net I don't think OpenDNS are having a problem, and they're usually pretty reliable. As John says, it may just be that the sites you're trying to visit are still setting up Apace. Have you got any URLs for us to test? Thanks Harry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: are these hacks?
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 06:07:59PM +0100, Harry Rickards wrote: On 9 Apr 2009, at 17:40, Rick Pasotto r...@niof.net wrote: On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 05:29:26PM +0100, Harry Rickards wrote: On 9 Apr 2009, at 17:20, Rick Pasotto r...@niof.net wrote: Occasionally on some websites I visit daily I'll get one of two incorrect results: 1) The home page for www.sogosearch.com 2) A page with nothing but the words It works! on it There is no pattern. It could happen on a refresh of a page or when going to another page on the site. Often refreshing the page a minute or so later produces the correct results. It seems that the sogosearch may be dns related but what could be causing the second? The it works message is the default message for an apache install. That could also be DNS redirecting your queries to 127.0.0.1. What happens if you type cat /etc/resolv.conf in a terminal? #OpenDNS nameserver 208.67.222.222 nameserver 208.67.220.220 #Speakeasy nameserver 216.27.175.2 nameserver 216.231.41.2 Is OpenDNS having a problem? I don't think OpenDNS are having a problem, and they're usually pretty reliable. As John says, it may just be that the sites you're trying to visit are still setting up Apace. Have you got any URLs for us to test? Perhaps you should re-read my original message. These are sites that I've visited daily for several years. -- A society that puts equality ... ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom. -- Milton Rose Friedman, 1979 Rick Pasottor...@niof.nethttp://www.niof.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: are these hacks?
Quoting Rick Pasotto r...@niof.net: On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 06:07:59PM +0100, Harry Rickards wrote: On 9 Apr 2009, at 17:40, Rick Pasotto r...@niof.net wrote: On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 05:29:26PM +0100, Harry Rickards wrote: On 9 Apr 2009, at 17:20, Rick Pasotto r...@niof.net wrote: Occasionally on some websites I visit daily I'll get one of two incorrect results: 1) The home page for www.sogosearch.com 2) A page with nothing but the words It works! on it There is no pattern. It could happen on a refresh of a page or when going to another page on the site. Often refreshing the page a minute or so later produces the correct results. It seems that the sogosearch may be dns related but what could be causing the second? The it works message is the default message for an apache install. That could also be DNS redirecting your queries to 127.0.0.1. What happens if you type cat /etc/resolv.conf in a terminal? #OpenDNS nameserver 208.67.222.222 nameserver 208.67.220.220 #Speakeasy nameserver 216.27.175.2 nameserver 216.231.41.2 Is OpenDNS having a problem? I don't think OpenDNS are having a problem, and they're usually pretty reliable. As John says, it may just be that the sites you're trying to visit are still setting up Apace. Have you got any URLs for us to test? Perhaps you should re-read my original message. These are sites that I've visited daily for several years. Ok. Have you got any URLs so we can see if they're working for us? Thanks Harry -- Contact information at l33tmyst.mp -- O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: are these hacks?
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Rick Pasotto r...@niof.net wrote: Occasionally on some websites I visit daily I'll get one of two incorrect results: 1) The home page for www.sogosearch.com 2) A page with nothing but the words It works! on it I get a picture of flowers no matter what word I type, and the word I typed underneath the pic of flowers. I don't think it is a hack so much as an inept site which seems to want to sell flowers. -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: are these hacks?
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:02, David Fox dfox94...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Rick Pasotto r...@niof.net wrote: Occasionally on some websites I visit daily I'll get one of two incorrect results: 1) The home page for www.sogosearch.com 2) A page with nothing but the words It works! on it I get a picture of flowers no matter what word I type, and the word I typed underneath the pic of flowers. I don't think it is a hack so much as an inept site which seems to want to sell flowers. I got to display search results by searching flowers. No other words produced results. Once I got a blank page, a reload showed the usual. Definitely a poorly done site. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
RE: are these hacks?
Original Message From: r...@niof.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: RE: are these hacks? Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:20:34 -0400 Occasionally on some websites I visit daily I'll get one of two incorrect results: 1) The home page for www.sogosearch.com 2) A page with nothing but the words It works! on it There is no pattern. It could happen on a refresh of a page or when going to another page on the site. Often refreshing the page a minute or so later produces the correct results. It seems that the sogosearch may be dns related but what could be causing the second? -- Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil. -- Mary Wollstonecraft, 1794 Rick Pasottor...@niof.nethttp://www.niof.net The it works is typical of the default page furnished with Apache. Larry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.d ebian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: are these hacks?
On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 11:02 -0700, David Fox wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Rick Pasotto r...@niof.net wrote: Occasionally on some websites I visit daily I'll get one of two incorrect results: 1) The home page for www.sogosearch.com 2) A page with nothing but the words It works! on it I get a picture of flowers no matter what word I type, and the word I typed underneath the pic of flowers. I don't think it is a hack so much as an inept site which seems to want to sell flowers. -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. I looked at the source code of the main site page and it appears there is some recent changes in the code; !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd; html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en dir=ltr head profile=http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearch/1.1/; !-- (c) 2002-2009 mnema.com ; v2.0 Dynamic Code Generation by Gregg W. Squires ; beginning conversion to XHTML 2/08 -- titleThe Gigantic Orange Cream-Sicle Search Engine at SoGoSearch.com/title Two things: the code is being changed to an XHTML and it appears to have been created with some type of code generating software that Never results in clean code... It is only partially working many dead links for now. I can't really tell what the site is supposed to be about. Best wishes. -- John Foster
Re: Knoppix-Hacks in Debian übernehmen
On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 01:21:13AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Jens Benecke wrote: ... Aber was machst du z.B. mit ... - einer 3Com Etherlink-III ISA, die nur mit einem DOS-Tool konfigurierbar ist und _keinerlei_ Rückschlüsse auf momentane Konfiguration zuläßt? ... apt-get install nictools-nopci man el3diag man 3c5x9setup Prima! Und sowas muss man wissen, am besten vorher :-) Werden diese Tools bei Debian während der Installation mitgeliefert und ggf. benutzt? Wenn nicht, warum nicht? -- mfg, Jens Benecke /// http://www.linuxfaq.de, http://www.linux.ms This mail is an attachment? Read http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.html http://www.hitchhikers.de - Die größte kostenlose Mitfahrzentrale im Internet msg17702/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Knoppix-Hacks in Debian übernehmen
Quoting Michael Bramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:16:12 +0200 ] : IMHO will (und soll) Debian Software distribuieren und keine neue Software machen. Daher sollten für Debian die Aussagen der Zustimmung meinerseits. Software-Entwickler etc. vollkommen ausreichen sein. Ein Blick auf die XFree-Seiten z.B. für G-Karten gibt z.B. alle Antworten. Prinzipiell auch Zustimmung, bei konkret _dieser_ Art der Hardware. Hardware-Unterstützung ist keine Distributions-Abhängige-Größe, sonder vielmehr abhängig von der Version einzelner Pakete. Das stimmt wohl. Wo's allerdings dann IMHO doch gravierende Unterschiede zwischen den Distro's gibt, ist der Punkt, wie man die konkrete Hardware auf seinem System konfiguriert kriegt. Im einen hat man yast2, an anderer Stelle gibt's wieder andere distro-eigene Konfigurationstools, und auch Debian hat, soweit ich das bislang kenne, seine ganz eigene Philosophie, was das Ingangbringen von Hardware-Komponenten betrifft. Ich bin mir für mich selbst noch nicht im Klaren, inwieweit diese distro-spezifischen Aspekte bei Aussagen über die Hardware-Unterstützug berücksichtigt werden sollten; prinzipiell hat's wohl auch mit der zu klärenden Fragestellung zu tun. Daher sollte man lieber an einer distributions-unabhängigen DB (ala linuxprinting.org) arbeiten. Will ich prinzipiell wissen, wie ich eine bestimmte Hardware in GNU/Linux - Systemen in Gang kriege, ist das sicher richtig. Hab' ich aber beispielsweise einen Kunden, der GNU/Linux 'mal selbst installieren will, bislang noch nicht genug Einblick in das System hat, um zu wissen, (a) auf welche Software er für die Unterstützung bestimmter Hardware gucken muß und (b) wie er sich diese ggfs. aktualisiert, der etwa eine woody-Box vor sich liegen hat und nun wissen will, ob seine spezielle Hardware von genau diesem Paket, welches da vor ihm liegt, unterstützt wird, dem bringen etliche netzweit verteilte Datenbanken für verschiedene Hardwarekomponenten nicht sonderlich viel. Darüber hinaus halte ich gerade linuxprinting.org zusammen mit den SANE-Seiten eher für gelungene Ausnahmen, was solche allgemeinen Lösungen betrifft. Wenn wir mal eine Hardware-Erkennung in Debian einführen (bzw. dort wo wir diese schon haben), ist ein Patch für diese Pakete natürlich immer ok und sinnvoll. Wenn also z.B. einer einer Naja, ich bin im Großen und Ganzen kein besonderer Fan von Hardware-Erkennung; mir ist's da wichtiger, daß ich fundiert und für meine ganz bestimmte Hardware an geeigneter Stelle eine Aussage finde, ob ich diese mit meinem System in Betrieb nehmen kann und worauf ich eventuell aufpassen muß. Alles andere ist nur Verdopplung der Information an vielen Stellen und damit Resonanz, die nur Fehler erzeugt und keine vermeidet. Hmmm... Resonanz == Redundanz? :) Ich weiß nicht, ob's, wie man es auch nimmt, wirklich eine Verdopplung von Informationen wäre oder nurmehr eine Bündelung von etwas spezifischer gehaltenen Informationen. Vielleicht wär' ja alternativ auch sowas wie 'ne debian-hardware - ML sinnvoll? Cheers, schöne Woche Euch allen, Kris -- Savour what you feel and ][ Kristian Rink what you see - things that ][ irc:: irc.sorcery.net (kristian) may not seem important now ][ fon:: ++49 160 92526188 but may be tomorrow... ][ fax:: ++49 1212 5 119 57 762 ---Chuck Schuldiner (1967 - 2001) .. gone but not forgotten--- -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Knoppix-Hacks in Debian übernehmen
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 09:16:12PM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote: IMHO will (und soll) Debian Software distribuieren und keine neue Software machen. Du magst also dpkg, apt usw. nicht? ;-) Oder das Debian-XFree86, welches aus dem upstream-Xfree86 plus über hundert Patches besteht, die vielen das Leben einfacher machen? Wenn wir mal eine Hardware-Erkennung in Debian einführen (bzw. dort wo wir diese schon haben), ist ein Patch für diese Pakete natürlich immer ok und sinnvoll. Wenn also z.B. einer einer G-Karte hat, diese auch unter X läuft, aber die Tools aus dem XFree-Paket diese nicht automatisch erkennen, sollte man einen Bug-Report an die Maintainer senden. ACK. Nur sowas braucht eine _koordinierte_ Anstrengung, und die ist bei Debian nicht sehr einfach zu erreichen, weil es keinen gibt, der sagen kann ihr macht das jetzt so, basta. Das führt oft zu besseren Lösungen, aber ab und an auch zu gar keiner Lösung, oder zu einer zu späten Lösung. Alles andere ist nur Verdopplung der Information an vielen Stellen und damit Resonanz, die nur Fehler erzeugt und keine vermeidet. ACK. -- mfg, Jens Benecke /// http://www.linuxfaq.de, http://www.linux.ms This mail is an attachment? Read http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.html http://www.hitchhikers.de - Die größte kostenlose Mitfahrzentrale im Internet msg17500/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Knoppix-Hacks in Debian übernehmen
On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Jens Benecke wrote: ... Aber was machst du z.B. mit ... - einer 3Com Etherlink-III ISA, die nur mit einem DOS-Tool konfigurierbar ist und _keinerlei_ Rückschlüsse auf momentane Konfiguration zuläßt? ... apt-get install nictools-nopci man el3diag man 3c5x9setup Gruss Adrian -- You only think this is a free country. Like the US the UK spends a lot of time explaining its a free country because its a police state. Alan Cox -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Debian Hardware-Datenbank (was Re: Knoppix-Hacks in Debianübernehmen)
Quoting Marcus Jodorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ 01 Sep 2002 01:37:06 +0200 ] : [Hardwaredatenbank für Debian-User] schon und ich hab's nur noch nicht gesehen, oder, falls nicht, gibt's Gründe dafür, warum's sowas noch nicht gibt? Ich halte das vom Aufwand her einfach nicht für praktikabel. Hmmm, ich kann's für mich selbst nicht so richtig abschätzen; nur frag' ich mich, was da an Aufwand überhaupt anfällt, wenn man davon ausgehen würde, daß (a) Nutzer die Hardware, die sie in ihrer Kiste laufen haben, dort selbst eintragen, zusammen etwa mit einer halbwegs genauen Bezeichnung (und Link etwa zu einer Hersteller-Site), einer kurzen Beschreibung ihrer Systemumgebung (sid? woody? potato?) und ihren ganz spezifischen Erfahrungen, diese bewußte Hardware zum Laufen zu kriegen und (b) Nutzer, die dasselbe Stück Hardware und eben andere Erfahrungen gemacht haben, diese dann dort ebenfalls ablegen können, so daß jemand, der wahlweise dann das Gerät selbst gekauft hat oder kaufen will, auch verschiedene Aussagen hinsichtlich dessen Nutzbarkeit unter Debian lesen kann. Prinzipiell gefällt mir das Konzept der lhd hier recht gut, wenngleich mit einigen gravierenden Nachteilen, die ich auch sehe: -alles in allem scheint's dort zu wenig Nutzer zu geben, entsprechend ist die Menge verschiedener Hardware äußerst überschaubar (und zudem, soweit ich das gesehen habe, auf x86 - Architekturen beschränkt) -die ganze Sache ist weitestgehend distributionsabhängig und nicht immer steht ja nun die Frage, ob ein bestimmtest Gerät von Linux (=Kernel), sondern von der jeweils verwendeten GNU/Linux - Distribution unterstützt wird und mit deren standardmäßiger Software-Ausstattung in Betrieb zu nehmen ist. Bei einem Drucker nützt mir etwa unter Slack oder Debian die Aussage yast2 starten, Hardware - Drucker konfigurieren, Modell wählen, ok relativ wenig, wenn ich eher wissen will, welcher konkrete Treiber verwendet werden muß bzw., wohl noch wichtiger, welche Versionen bestimmter Software (cups? lprng? apsfilter? magicfilter? ) benötigt werden. Hier scheint mir's dann schon sinnreich, wenn der Nutzer eines Gerätes eine Übersicht über bestmmte Möglichkeiten des Betriebs desselben existiert, so nach dem Motto einfache und stabile Inbetriebnahme mit foo (Version x.y.z); folgender Workaround für grundlegende Funktionalität mit foo x.y.z: a) Über zig alsa Versionen hinweg hat der Treiber auf meinem ThinkPad nur funktioniert, wenn man den Treiber zweimal geladen hat, ansonsten ist der Kernel reproduzierbar und unrettbar eingefroren. Neuerdings tut es aber. Ähnliche Scherze hab' ich auch schon erlebt, auf verschiedenen Systemen mit recht garstigem Onboard-Sound... Prinzipiell könnte das doch auch 'ne ganze Reihe von Fragen a la Wie krieg' ich Gerät XYZ in meinem System zum Laufen abfangen, oder? Das geht manchmal nur mit ziemlich obskurem Gebastel und Workarounds und das kann kein Mensch mehr nachhalten, wann sowas nötig ist oder schon nicht mehr und mit welchen Softwareversionen. In obigen Fällen ist z.B. schon die Sachlage zwischen Woody und Sid komplett anders und das Durcheinander komplett. Ohne Tricks Das kennt man ja schon, leider. Gerade dafür wär's aber vielleicht interessant, daß solche Workarounds und Basteleien, so obskur sie auch sein mögen, festgehalten werden, auch wenn sie denn irgendwann nicht mehr aktuell sind. Somit finden sich perspektivisch dann vielleicht auch noch Informationen für Leute, die (aus welchen Gründen auch immer) etwa mit älteren Kernels oder älteren Distros arbeiten und sich nicht mehr so recht erinnern können, wie der bewußte Trick denn nun gewesen ist... :) ;-) Ich möchte für sowas ganz sicher nicht Datenbank zusammenstellen und pflegen müssen. Hmmm, was wär' denn an Aufwand notwendig? Soweit ich das sehe, bräuchte es ein über eine Website erreichbares Datenbanksystem mit ein paar Seiten / Scripts, die die grundlegende Funktionalität zur Verfügung stellen, und eine ausreichende Netzanbindung, daß die Leute darauf zugreifen können. Abgesehen von der administrativen Arbeit der Bereitstellung des Servers und der Sicherstellung seine Funktionsfähigkeit seh' ich da keine besonderen Aufwand, wenn man da vielleicht sogar davon ausgeht, daß der Nutzer, der dort ein Gerät einträgt, quasi Maintainer des entsprechenden Eintrages wird und sich darum kümmern kann / sollte, daß Informationen zu dem Gerät (Link auf Herstellersite, Link auf Sites mit eventuellen Treibern usw. usf.) aktuell bleibt. Scheint mir alles in allem nicht besonders aufwendig, mit Ausnahme der Tatsache vielleicht, daß man die Debianer irgendwie dazu motivieren müßte, dann ihre Hardware in der Tat dort auch einzutragen, oder seh' ich das zu optimistisch? Cheers, schön' Sonntag alle, Kris -- Savour what you feel and ][ Kristian Rink what you see - things that ][ irc:: irc.sorcery.net (kristian) may not seem important now ][ fon:: ++49 160 92526188 but may be tomorrow... ][
Re: Knoppix-Hacks in Debian übernehmen
On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 10:40:09AM +0200, Kristian Rink wrote: Aber nur sehr wenige dieser oft sehr speziellen Lösungen lassen sich in eine Distribution übernehmen, die einen viel breiteren Anwendungsbreich(und auch eine breitere User-Base) hat. Sorry, daß ich diesen Thread wiederbelebe. Die letzte Aussage erscheint mir prinzipiell logisch; was dann allerdings naheliegen würde (insbesondere bei einer Distro wie Debian mit einer doch recht großen und, guckt man sich die Mailing-Listen an, auch aktiven Nutzerschaft), wäre doch eigentlich so etwas wie die SuSE'sche Hardwaredatenbank für Debian-User, in der selbige (beispielsweise in Kategorien wie auch auf lhd.zdnet.com geordnet) auf Wunsch für Hardware, die sie unter Debian zum Laufen bekommen haben, festhalten können, womit sie's geschafft haben (Treiber), was da eventuell an Bastelei nötig / an Dokumentation hilfreich gewesen ist und wo sie selbst gewisse Tücken gesehen haben. Gibt's sowas schon und ich hab's nur noch nicht gesehen, oder, falls nicht, gibt's Gründe dafür, warum's sowas noch nicht gibt? Prinzipiell könnte das doch auch 'ne ganze Reihe von Fragen a la Wie krieg' ich Gerät XYZ in meinem System zum Laufen abfangen, oder? IMHO will (und soll) Debian Software distribuieren und keine neue Software machen. Daher sollten für Debian die Aussagen der Software-Entwickler etc. vollkommen ausreichen sein. Ein Blick auf die XFree-Seiten z.B. für G-Karten gibt z.B. alle Antworten. Hardware-Unterstützung ist keine Distributions-Abhängige-Größe, sonder vielmehr abhängig von der Version einzelner Pakete. Daher sollte man lieber an einer distributions-unabhängigen DB (ala linuxprinting.org) arbeiten. Wenn wir mal eine Hardware-Erkennung in Debian einführen (bzw. dort wo wir diese schon haben), ist ein Patch für diese Pakete natürlich immer ok und sinnvoll. Wenn also z.B. einer einer G-Karte hat, diese auch unter X läuft, aber die Tools aus dem XFree-Paket diese nicht automatisch erkennen, sollte man einen Bug-Report an die Maintainer senden. Alles andere ist nur Verdopplung der Information an vielen Stellen und damit Resonanz, die nur Fehler erzeugt und keine vermeidet. Gruss Grisu -- Michael Bramer - a Debian Linux Developer http://www.debsupport.de PGP: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Linux Sysadmin -- Use Debian Linux ...und Windows ist ein Grafikadventure... Mir sind die Textadventures manchmal lieber ;-) -- Juergen Ilse msg17465/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Knoppix-Hacks in Debian übernehmen
Quoting Jens Benecke [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:42:39 +0200 ] : Und weil die Knoppix ja auf Debian beruht frage ich mich dann manchmal, warum die viele Arbeit und Liebe zum Detail die da drin steckt nicht in die richtige Debian zurück fließt? Ich habe auf dem Linuxtag-2002 mit Klaus Knopper genau über dieses Thema gesprochen und er wurde wohl schon öfters von [snip] etwa einer, seine USB-Maus (Marke X, Modell Y) funktioniert nur, wenn man das HCI-Modul einmal lädt, entlädt und dann noch mal lädt, dann wird im USB-Erkennungsmodul halt für genau diesen Maustyp das vom Anwender gelieferte Skript eingefummelt. Aber nur sehr wenige dieser oft sehr speziellen Lösungen lassen sich in eine Distribution übernehmen, die einen viel breiteren Anwendungsbreich(und auch eine breitere User-Base) hat. Sorry, daß ich diesen Thread wiederbelebe. Die letzte Aussage erscheint mir prinzipiell logisch; was dann allerdings naheliegen würde (insbesondere bei einer Distro wie Debian mit einer doch recht großen und, guckt man sich die Mailing-Listen an, auch aktiven Nutzerschaft), wäre doch eigentlich so etwas wie die SuSE'sche Hardwaredatenbank für Debian-User, in der selbige (beispielsweise in Kategorien wie auch auf lhd.zdnet.com geordnet) auf Wunsch für Hardware, die sie unter Debian zum Laufen bekommen haben, festhalten können, womit sie's geschafft haben (Treiber), was da eventuell an Bastelei nötig / an Dokumentation hilfreich gewesen ist und wo sie selbst gewisse Tücken gesehen haben. Gibt's sowas schon und ich hab's nur noch nicht gesehen, oder, falls nicht, gibt's Gründe dafür, warum's sowas noch nicht gibt? Prinzipiell könnte das doch auch 'ne ganze Reihe von Fragen a la Wie krieg' ich Gerät XYZ in meinem System zum Laufen abfangen, oder? Cheers schönes WE; Kris -- Savour what you feel and ][ Kristian Rink what you see - things that ][ irc:: irc.sorcery.net (kristian) may not seem important now ][ fon:: ++49 160 92526188 but may be tomorrow... ][ fax:: ++49 1212 5 119 57 762 ---Chuck Schuldiner (1967 - 2001) .. gone but not forgotten--- -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Knoppix-Hacks in Debian übernehmen
On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 09:26:03AM +0200, Holger Rauch wrote: und _ist_ ein Rumprobierchaos. Anders als durch Rumprobiererei kann man Hardware nicht halbwegs automatisiert erkennen, vor allem nicht solche, die sich nicht zu erkennen gibt. Hm. Ich gebe ja zu, daß ich mich mit automatischer HW-Erkennung nicht auskenne, aber wäre es nicht eine Möglichkeit, aus den Ausgaben von /proc/pci was rauszuziehen (zumindest für PCI-Karten und diverse onboard Netzwerk- und Graphikchips)? Bingo. Das ist die Hardware, die sich zu erkennen gibt. Aber was machst du z.B. mit - PCI Karten, deren IDs mit anderen kollidieren? Sollte nicht passieren, aber anscheinend tuts das doch ab und an. - einer 3Com Etherlink-III ISA, die nur mit einem DOS-Tool konfigurierbar ist und _keinerlei_ Rückschlüsse auf momentane Konfiguration zuläßt? - einer SB AWE32 PnP, die dem BIOS (und pnpdump und isapnp) nachvollziehbar sagt ich hätte gerne IO 0xNNN und IRQ Y und dann aber völlig andere Adressen benutzt? Der Windows-Treiber weiss das ... nachdem Creative damals die ersten 10.000 Karten zurücknehmen durfte, weil sie _gar_ nicht funktionierten oder sogar Datenverlust hervorriefen (IRQ-Konflikt mit Festplatte...). - NE2000 ISA-Netzwerkkarten, die den ganzen Rechner hart zum Absturz bringen, wenn auf der Adresse der NE2000 der Soundblaster (ISA) Treiber nach einer Soundblaster fragt? autoprobing nennt sich das, wir probieren einfach mal eine init-sequenz an jede Adresse zu schicken, dort wo sich was korrekt zurückmeldet haben wir was gefunden. Das war das berüchtigte Plug Pray von Windows 95. Lösung: man muss die NE2000 VOR der SB finden und ausklammern, wenns eine gibt. Das ist eine Ausnahme / Sonderregel von tausenden. - usw. Hardwareerkennung ohne kooperative Hardware ist ein fürchterliches Flickenwerk. -- mfg, Jens Benecke /// http://www.linuxfaq.de, http://www.linux.ms This mail is an attachment? Read http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.html http://www.hitchhikers.de - Die größte kostenlose Mitfahrzentrale im Internet msg17064/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Knoppix-Hacks in Debian bernehmen
Hallo Jens! Vielen Dank für Deine reply! On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Jens Benecke wrote: [...] und _ist_ ein Rumprobierchaos. Anders als durch Rumprobiererei kann man Hardware nicht halbwegs automatisiert erkennen, vor allem nicht solche, die sich nicht zu erkennen gibt. Hm. Ich gebe ja zu, daß ich mich mit automatischer HW-Erkennung nicht auskenne, aber wäre es nicht eine Möglichkeit, aus den Ausgaben von /proc/pci was rauszuziehen (zumindest für PCI-Karten und diverse onboard Netzwerk- und Graphikchips)? Danke für die Info! Gruß, Holger -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Knoppix-Hacks in Debian bernehmen
Hallo Jens! On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Jens Benecke wrote: [...] Die Konversationen verliefern fast immer etwa so: Debianer: Wie hast du das und das gemacht? Klaus:$UEBLER_HACK Debianer: Igitt! Bezog sich das auch auf die Art und Weise der automatischen HW-Erkennung? Gruß, Holger -- Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Subject Prefix - Procmail Hacks
On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 05:27:51PM -0400, Thomas Good wrote: | On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: | | The subject prefix is widely used by sites running majordomo. | One example is PostgreSQL. I've been on several lists there for | years and never heard anyone complain about the [SQL] subject | prefix (or any other.) Odd. | | Until you find that you don't need it. Then you'll start wondering why | it was on there in the first place. | | But supposing I like it...is there a procmail hack to prepend to the | subject header? Yeah, you can do it if you want. I've got maildrop set up to strip those bothersome tags from the other lists I'm on. With one (sf) list, the bug submission messages have _no_ room on the screen for the subject because the list+bug tags are TOO long. Now it's not a problem because I strip it from the header. | On a tangent: I personally don't much like the spam assassin thing | of storing spam on my hard disk. So don't store it. Do whatever else you like with it. | Is there a procmail hack to bounce the crud back to its rightful | owners? No. The sender addresses are (almost) always forged. The best you can do is this : http://dman.ddts.net/~dman/software/exim/ (run SA at SMTP time and don't even accept the message in the first place) | I'm sick of Vortex, Vertex or whatever that purveyor of laser toner is | called this week. I bounce most of the nonsense using sendmail's | access hash table but when this guy changes his address his junk mail | winds up in the spam assassin dust bin, whereas I'd really rather bounce | it back. To me, this is something to get excited about. ;-) | (I dunno about you but I feel compelled to examine the contents of | spam assassin's trash bin - morbid curiousity?) Use an ACL in exim 4 :-). You can reject the mail based on whatever condition you like. Checking SA's droppings is good in case it tagged anything incorrectly. | Perhaps it has to do with the (alleged) vast majority of mail clients | out there are decidedly unfriendly when it comes to choosing which | headers to display and use for sorting/filing... smallPersonally I | don't care for that and use procmail.../small | | I'm willing to have a go with procmail - presently I'm using Paul | Johnson's little filter to move my debian mail to ~/mail/debian. | Not what I wanted but better than before! What did you want? -D -- The Consultant's Curse: When the customer has beaten upon you long enough, give him what he asks for, instead of what he needs. This is very strong medicine, and is normally only required once. http://dman.ddts.net/~dman/ pgpT3qo2Pwm5E.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Subject Prefix - Procmail Hacks
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: The subject prefix is widely used by sites running majordomo. One example is PostgreSQL. I've been on several lists there for years and never heard anyone complain about the [SQL] subject prefix (or any other.) Odd. Until you find that you don't need it. Then you'll start wondering why it was on there in the first place. But supposing I like it...is there a procmail hack to prepend to the subject header? I could do it in perl but if procmail can do it, why reinvent the wheel? (I'd rather be sipping a pint... ;-) On a tangent: I personally don't much like the spam assassin thing of storing spam on my hard disk. Is there a procmail hack to bounce the crud back to its rightful owners? I'm sick of Vortex, Vertex or whatever that purveyor of laser toner is called this week. I bounce most of the nonsense using sendmail's access hash table but when this guy changes his address his junk mail winds up in the spam assassin dust bin, whereas I'd really rather bounce it back. To me, this is something to get excited about. ;-) (I dunno about you but I feel compelled to examine the contents of spam assassin's trash bin - morbid curiousity?) The first mailing lists I joined were the debian mailing lists. Since then I've found other mailing lists that *do* the [prefix]-thingie. And *that* I find annoying, as the X-Mailing-List: header sorts things out quite nicely. I would not be surprised if there are tweaks available to Majordomo to fix its behaviour... This is not a default behaviour. It is an option set in the *individual* list config file. So it's really up to the admin. Perhaps it has to do with the (alleged) vast majority of mail clients out there are decidedly unfriendly when it comes to choosing which headers to display and use for sorting/filing... smallPersonally I don't care for that and use procmail.../small I'm willing to have a go with procmail - presently I'm using Paul Johnson's little filter to move my debian mail to ~/mail/debian. Not what I wanted but better than before! Cheers --- Thomas Good e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmer/Analyst phone: (+1) 718.818.5528 Residential Services fax: (+1) 718.818.5056 Behavioral Health Services, SVCMC-NY mobile: (+1) 917.282.7359 -- -- SQL Clinic - An Open Source Clinical Record www.sqlclinic.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Subject Prefix - Procmail Hacks
But supposing I like it...is there a procmail hack to prepend to the subject header? I could do it in perl but if procmail can do it, why reinvent the wheel? (I'd rather be sipping a pint... ;-) You will get 10 postings of how to do this. So perhaps I can only add a pointer to a reference to learn how to do this and more. http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/info/proctips.html#subjid On a tangent: I personally don't much like the spam assassin thing of storing spam on my hard disk. Is there a procmail hack to bounce the crud back to its rightful owners? A spam discussion is off topic but... by the time you have received the message and can filter it then it is too late. Spammers won't take the bounce and you will just be spooling it on your machine or your companies relays until it dies of timeout. Better to drop it into /dev/null at that point. I'm willing to have a go with procmail - presently I'm using Paul Johnson's little filter to move my debian mail to ~/mail/debian. Not what I wanted but better than before! What did you want? Bob pgpiHJvN3zayi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GL screen hacks corrupting display
Rob VanFleet wrote: I'm using potato with the /dev/3dfx - Mesa combo for 3D. When I run a GL screen hack like gears or morph3d, it runs accelerated and looks nice. The problem is that when I exit them, the display in X is completely whacked; I can't do anything. So far, I've just been Alt-F1'ing back to a console and hitting Ctrl-C to kill the X server. This activity is confined to xscreensaver running them. When I run them from the command line with no options, I don't get the corrupted display, only when I run them with '- root', as xscreensaver does. Does anyone know why this happens, how to prevent it, or at least if there is a way to reset the X display without restarting the server? Try to resize the screen size with the CTRL ALT and numpad minus and plus key, but i should remove the package xscreensaver-gl to avoid problems... Hope this help. Andrea
Re: GL screen hacks corrupting display
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 06:18:43PM +0100, Andrea Vettorello wrote: Try to resize the screen size with the CTRL ALT and numpad minus and plus key, but Many thanks, it works. I wasn't aware of that keybinding. i should remove the package xscreensaver-gl to avoid problems... I forgot to mention that it is from helixcode, so the problem may be confined just to that particular version. I'll try to get the regular potato version to see if it has the same problem, although I'm figuring that hacks such as gears and morph3d haven't changed too much over time. -Rob
GL screen hacks corrupting display
I'm using potato with the /dev/3dfx - Mesa combo for 3D. When I run a GL screen hack like gears or morph3d, it runs accelerated and looks nice. The problem is that when I exit them, the display in X is completely whacked; I can't do anything. So far, I've just been Alt-F1'ing back to a console and hitting Ctrl-C to kill the X server. This activity is confined to xscreensaver running them. When I run them from the command line with no options, I don't get the corrupted display, only when I run them with '- root', as xscreensaver does. Does anyone know why this happens, how to prevent it, or at least if there is a way to reset the X display without restarting the server? -Rob
Where do i put the sendmail HACKS?
Hi, I'm spending a lot of time reading the stuff at sendmail.org. I've found all kinds of explanations of the check_rcpt HACK, but no explanation as to where i put it. Does it go in sendmail.cf somewhere? Where? Does it get listed in sendmail.mc? But then how do i get the .m4 to relate to it? sendmail! argh ... universero trio... [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tio.net/~trio Learn and use The International Language Esperanto! http://esperanto.org
Re: Where do i put the sendmail HACKS?
On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, trio wrote: Hi, I'm spending a lot of time reading the stuff at sendmail.org. I've found all kinds of explanations of the check_rcpt HACK, but no explanation as to where i put it. Does it go in sendmail.cf somewhere? Where? Does it get listed in sendmail.mc? But then how do i get the .m4 to relate to it? sendmail! argh Depends on what you are trying to accomplish. I suggest building your sendmail.cf using M4. You mention the check_rcpt ruleset, which hints that you are trying to block spam. If this be the case I would look at this page: http://www.sendmail.org/m4/anti-spam.html It describes M4 features for blocking spam. These features utilize the check_rcpt, check_relay, etc rulesets. When you generate your sendmail.cf the rulesets will be created automatically and you can then control their functionality via text or database files. I can send you a copy of our M4 config for example. (Just let me know) Hope this helps, Dennis -- Dennis Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Adminstrator College of Engineering, MSU 353-4844 (phone) 222-5875 (pager)
Re: Where do i put the sendmail HACKS?
On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, dpk wrote: On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, trio wrote: I'm spending a lot of time reading the stuff at sendmail.org. I've found all kinds of explanations of the check_rcpt HACK, but no explanation as to where i put it. Does it go in sendmail.cf somewhere? Where? Does it get listed in sendmail.mc? But then how do i get the .m4 to relate to it? Depends on what you are trying to accomplish. I suggest building your sendmail.cf using M4. You mention the check_rcpt ruleset, which hints Since i just loaded the latest debian release, i'm using sendmailconfig which i believe calls m4. that you are trying to block spam. If this be the case I would look at this page: http://www.sendmail.org/m4/anti-spam.html I believe that's http://www.sendmail.org/anti-spam.html and yes, i've been reading it but i can't find that crucial bit about where to put the check_* hooks. It describes M4 features for blocking spam. These features utilize the check_rcpt, check_relay, etc rulesets. When you generate your sendmail.cf the rulesets will be created automatically and you can What do you mean automatically? Where do i put the check_* rulesets? In sendmail.cf? Do i put a line in sendmail.mc with HACK (use_ip...? But how does the .mc file get the check_* code? then control their functionality via text or database files. I can That's exactly what i'd like to do. send you a copy of our M4 config for example. (Just let me know) That would be great. Thank you. ... universero trio... [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tio.net/~trio Learn and use The International Language Esperanto! http://esperanto.org
Re: Where do i put the sendmail HACKS?
Thank you to all who helped with this. It turns out that all you have to do is define the HACKs in sendmail.mc and (as long as your sendmail was configured properly) sendmailconfig goes to the .../hack directory and puts the code right into the sendmail.cf file when you allow it to build. Whew. Thanks. ... universero trio... [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tio.net/~trio Learn and use The International Language Esperanto! http://esperanto.org
