Re: e-Sword under Linux?
Freddy Freeloader wrote: Roberto Sanchez wrote: I just submitted a feedback on the e-Sword website. I encouraged Rick to consider making the software available under an open source license and even offered my help to port the software. Hopefully this will pan out, as I also have been looking for a good Bible-study tool in Linux. -Roberto Wow. Excellent Roberto. It would be great to have a tool like e-Sword available in Linux. It's been a couple of days and I have not heard anything back from Rick. If you are interested in seeing this software one day made free and ported to Linux, I encourage you to visit the e-Sword feedback page and let Rick know how you feel: http://www.e-sword.net/feedback.html Maybe if he received feedback from more than one person it might cause him to consider it more seriously. Regards, -Roberto Sanchez signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: e-Sword under Linux?
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Re: e-Sword under Linux?
Roberto Sanchez wrote: Freddy Freeloader wrote: Roberto Sanchez wrote: I just submitted a feedback on the e-Sword website. I encouraged Rick to consider making the software available under an open source license and even offered my help to port the software. Hopefully this will pan out, as I also have been looking for a good Bible-study tool in Linux. -Roberto Wow. Excellent Roberto. It would be great to have a tool like e-Sword available in Linux. It's been a couple of days and I have not heard anything back from Rick. If you are interested in seeing this software one day made free and ported to Linux, I encourage you to visit the e-Sword feedback page and let Rick know how you feel: http://www.e-sword.net/feedback.html Maybe if he received feedback from more than one person it might cause him to consider it more seriously. Regards, -Roberto Sanchez I will do that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yeah yeah it's OT as heck -- Re: OT anova.org: Cool Bibles and Porn [was Re: e-Sword under Linux?]
El jueves 16 de diciembre de 2004 a las 16:34:36, Roberto Sanchez escribe: Then on his list of top 10 tips for developers he seems to think that the only reason to write software is to sell it and make money. No concept of Free software. Let us not forget, of course, that it is perfectly posible and legal to sell Free Software and make money from it. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: yeah yeah it's OT as heck -- Re: OT anova.org: Cool Bibles and Porn [was Re: e-Sword under Linux?]
kurtz wrote: El jueves 16 de diciembre de 2004 a las 16:34:36, Roberto Sanchez escribe: Then on his list of top 10 tips for developers he seems to think that the only reason to write software is to sell it and make money. No concept of Free software. Let us not forget, of course, that it is perfectly posible and legal to sell Free Software and make money from it. Very true. However, from reading his list, it is quite clear he is discussing non-free software. I should have made that clear. -Roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: yeah yeah it's OT as heck -- Re: OT anova.org: Cool Bibles and Porn [was Re: e-Sword under Linux?]
El jueves 16 de diciembre de 2004 a las 16:54:12, Roberto Sanchez escribe: I should have made that clear. You were clear enough, was only trolling. :)) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: yeah yeah it's OT as heck -- Re: OT anova.org: Cool Bibles and Porn [was Re: e-Sword under Linux?]
William Ballard wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 02:02:39AM -0500, William Ballard wrote: http://www.anova.org/software/ This is just bizarre. Zaine Ridling, Ph.D. is listed as the editor in the PDF file. This same twit who put together this list of his favorite Closed Source applications and linked to the porn image, *on the same site.* Apparently he has requested and received permission to put give away a copyrighted work (the NRSV) and copyrighted commentaries (the Oxford annotations) -- for Free. The text appears to be legit. Who this Zaine Ridling is, and who the Access Foundation is and why their corporate sponsors seem to be hosting this site, is a big can of worms. Anyway, we'd better educate old Zaine about Debian. He loses 10 cool points for his stupid list of software. But the Bible's cool as all get out. I don't know what to make of the guy. On the one hand he seems clueless: NetCaptor is the original tabbed browser, ... On the surface, Avant Browser is similar to NetCaptor, but its standards compliance is consistently lacking; Avant doesn't share the same lean interface, instead it opts for bloat; nor does it share NetCaptor's speed and font rendering abilities. Puhleeze. Don't all IE skins use the IE rendering engine for pages and fonts? Don't they all look the same? But then: ... I recommend Mozilla and NetCaptor ... [Mozilla Firefox] gets better with every build, and once a user gets hooked, they usually think of Internet Explorer in the same league as Outlook Express Grade A crap. Further down on the page he talks about a program called NoClone which finds duplicate files. The screenshot is apparently one of him looking for dupe jpegs in his pr0n collection. He also seems to be a fan of Trillian, Thunderbird, Ad-Aware and Spybot Search and Destroy. He is also a fan of Word 2003 and a bunch of other text editors which couldn't hold a candle to vim. I don't want to start on his page of recommended image viewers/ editors. Take a look if you have any doubts. Then on his list of top 10 tips for developers he seems to think that the only reason to write software is to sell it and make money. No concept of Free software. -Roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: e-Sword under Linux?
Roberto Sanchez wrote: Freddy Freeloader wrote: Roberto Sanchez wrote: Check: bibletime, gnomesword, sword-comm-mhcc, sword-comm-pers, sword-dict-naves, sword-text-web, bible-kjv You can also try running e-Sword in WINE. -Roberto Sanchez Thanks to all who replied. Unfortunately I've looked at the programs available in Debian packages and found them to not fit my needs. If you're curious to see why do a Google search for e-Sword. The sheer number of translations, commentaries, concordances, and other study helps found in e-Sword just dwarfs anything to be found in a Debian package, and it is freeware. The only commercial packages that are its equal cost a few hundred dollars. I'll have to start experimenting with Wine and see if I can get e-Sword to work under it. I just submitted a feedback on the e-Sword website. I encouraged Rick to consider making the software available under an open source license and even offered my help to port the software. Hopefully this will pan out, as I also have been looking for a good Bible-study tool in Linux. -Roberto Wow. Excellent Roberto. It would be great to have a tool like e-Sword available in Linux. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
e-Sword under Linux?
I'm basically a Debian noob yet. I've learned a lot in the last few months, but still have a long way to go. Especially in learning what all is available and possible in Debian. I have almost completely gone away from Windows for my desktop OS. The one program I have found so far that I can't find anything even close to in a Debian package is e-Sword, a Bible study package packaged only for Windows. Does anyone know of any Debian packages, or even Linux source code I can compile that will even come close to the power, features, and flexibility of e-Sword? Or failing that is there a way I can run e-Sword under Linux? I'm getting really tired of having to boot into Windows just for it, but it's the best study software I've found. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 09:48:20PM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote: Just out of curiousity, when was it published? I was under the impression that most accepted serious biblical commentaries were written long ago enough that they had passed into the public domain. In the 1950s. I don't know how you got that second impression. The short answer is no -- for example, new texts are written about the Dead Sea Scrolls. Do you mean that the language of the KJV is stilted, or that the search syntax of the bible-kjv package is stilted? The language of the KJV is stilted for my purposes. I often want to look up aphorisms I pick up in the culture, and the Thees and Thous get in the way. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Roberto Sanchez wrote: Freddy Freeloader wrote: I'm basically a Debian noob yet. I've learned a lot in the last few months, but still have a long way to go. Especially in learning what all is available and possible in Debian. I have almost completely gone away from Windows for my desktop OS. The one program I have found so far that I can't find anything even close to in a Debian package is e-Sword, a Bible study package packaged only for Windows. Does anyone know of any Debian packages, or even Linux source code I can compile that will even come close to the power, features, and flexibility of e-Sword? Or failing that is there a way I can run e-Sword under Linux? I'm getting really tired of having to boot into Windows just for it, but it's the best study software I've found. Check: bibletime, gnomesword, sword-comm-mhcc, sword-comm-pers, sword-dict-naves, sword-text-web, bible-kjv You can also try running e-Sword in WINE. -Roberto Sanchez Thanks to all who replied. Unfortunately I've looked at the programs available in Debian packages and found them to not fit my needs. If you're curious to see why do a Google search for e-Sword. The sheer number of translations, commentaries, concordances, and other study helps found in e-Sword just dwarfs anything to be found in a Debian package, and it is freeware. The only commercial packages that are its equal cost a few hundred dollars. I'll have to start experimenting with Wine and see if I can get e-Sword to work under it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 09:39:36PM -0800, Freddy Freeloader wrote: The one program I have found so far that I can't find anything even close to in a Debian package is e-Sword, a Bible study package packaged only for Windows. All the Sword Data is released under GPL: http://www.crosswire.org/sword/index.jsp and can be grepped or run through perl, or whatever. Maybe e-Sword is the coolest client, but are you absolutely sure you can't load the data into the Debian apps? The last time I looked at them it looked like they had many dozen downloadable modules. Maybe not all are distrbibuted. Maybe you download them from the above link and put them in the app directory. Again, this is not all the scholarly Bible Research there is -- this is All the Public Domain scholarly Bible Reserach there is. You can do with the data whatever you feel like doing. I'd just grep it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 01:06:20AM -0500, William Ballard wrote: Again, this is not all the scholarly Bible Research there is -- this is All the Public Domain scholarly Bible Reserach there is. Yeah, the more I look at this, the more I realize that both are presenting the same public domain electronic data. Probably they both copied it from a common source. It's the same exact data! That can be loaded into any app. Again, maybe the Windows app is more Point-n-Drool easy, but all the data can be loaded into the Linux apps. All the data is public domain. Just grep it. :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT anova.org: Cool Bibles and Porn [was Re: e-Sword under Linux?]
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 01:32:33AM -0500, William Ballard wrote: http://www.anova.org/sev/ (The Koran will be up there in a while -- too) I don't know what to make of the link at the bottom of the page: http://www.anova.org/software/ which goes on to talk about Windows Software and then links to a pornographic image hosted on the same site: http://www.anova.org/software/other/milena.htm Isn't this strange? The coolest Bible man has produced, which is not public domain; Free; available, and with such links? Then look at the root web site: http://www.anova.org It's cool too. Curiouser and Curiouser, said Alice. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 02:02:39AM -0500, William Ballard wrote: http://www.anova.org/software/ This is just bizarre. Zaine Ridling, Ph.D. is listed as the editor in the PDF file. This same twit who put together this list of his favorite Closed Source applications and linked to the porn image, *on the same site.* Apparently he has requested and received permission to put give away a copyrighted work (the NRSV) and copyrighted commentaries (the Oxford annotations) -- for Free. The text appears to be legit. Who this Zaine Ridling is, and who the Access Foundation is and why their corporate sponsors seem to be hosting this site, is a big can of worms. Anyway, we'd better educate old Zaine about Debian. He loses 10 cool points for his stupid list of software. But the Bible's cool as all get out. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: e-Sword under Linux?
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 01:07:43 -0500, Roberto Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just submitted a feedback on the e-Sword website. I encouraged Rick to consider making the software available under an open source license and even offered my help to port the software. Hopefully this will pan out, as I also have been looking for a good Bible-study tool in Linux. -Roberto Thankyou so much Roberto!! May the Good Lord bless you.:))) love prayers Siju -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yeah yeah it's OT as heck -- Re: OT anova.org: Cool Bibles and Porn [was Re: e-Sword under Linux?]
Aparenty Zaine is Kibo or something. All his screenshots are of porn. The mystery evolves: The Revised Standard Version is not distributed with any Linux software, or Windows Freeware, but the Oxford text is available from Oxford at: http://ota.ahds.ac.uk/textinfo/1061.html and in another form at: http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/rsv.browse.html but apparently Mr. I Love Windows, Porn, and the Bible Zaine is the only person who has the Oxford commentaries (the stuff at the start of each Book of the Bible). I'm flummoxed. The Oxford text says the text is freely distributable for non-commercial use. I'm mostly curious at to why nobody in the Linux or Windows Freeware world distributes the RSV. Strange, strange, strange. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: e-Sword under Linux?
Freddy Freeloader wrote: I'm basically a Debian noob yet. I've learned a lot in the last few months, but still have a long way to go. Especially in learning what all is available and possible in Debian. I have almost completely gone away from Windows for my desktop OS. The one program I have found so far that I can't find anything even close to in a Debian package is e-Sword, a Bible study package packaged only for Windows. Does anyone know of any Debian packages, or even Linux source code I can compile that will even come close to the power, features, and flexibility of e-Sword? Or failing that is there a way I can run e-Sword under Linux? I'm getting really tired of having to boot into Windows just for it, but it's the best study software I've found. Check: bibletime, gnomesword, sword-comm-mhcc, sword-comm-pers, sword-dict-naves, sword-text-web, bible-kjv You can also try running e-Sword in WINE. -Roberto Sanchez signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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William Ballard wrote: What I'd like is the Oxford Press Version of the Revised Standard Edition, which is a copyrighted work but the preferred text for scholars. Just out of curiousity, when was it published? I was under the impression that most accepted serious biblical commentaries were written long ago enough that they had passed into the public domain. It's too hard to look up phrases in the KJV because the syntax is relative stilted. And I don't want to use some far-out newage FreeBible from 4GuysInMontana, Inc. Do you mean that the language of the KJV is stilted, or that the search syntax of the bible-kjv package is stilted? I totally agree with you regarding newage biblical translations. Most of them are just way too out there. -Roberto Sanchez signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: e-Sword under Linux?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Freddy Freeloader wrote: | I'm basically a Debian noob yet. I've learned a lot in the last few | months, but still have a long way to go. Especially in learning what all | is available and possible in Debian. | | I have almost completely gone away from Windows for my desktop OS. The | one program I have found so far that I can't find anything even close to | in a Debian package is e-Sword, a Bible study package packaged only for | Windows. | | Does anyone know of any Debian packages, or even Linux source code I can | compile that will even come close to the power, features, and | flexibility of e-Sword? Or failing that is there a way I can run | e-Sword under Linux? I'm getting really tired of having to boot into | Windows just for it, but it's the best study software I've found. I am not familiar with e-Sword, but there is gnomesword and related packages. Paul - -- /** Running Debian Linux * For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son,* * that whoever believes in Him should not perish...John 3:16* ** W. Paul Mills ** http://Mills-USA.com/ **/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBwPfwu4tRirKTPYwRAiNDAJ4yHqEHwwHW5j7ft627Vt7WzNWaAQCePLRa cKba/I98ZA/gL2gpGWHbQ+U= =BOXK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 06:19:31PM -0800, Freddy Freeloader wrote: I have almost completely gone away from Windows for my desktop OS. The one program I have found so far that I can't find anything even close to in a Debian package is e-Sword, a Bible study package packaged only for Windows. apt-cache search bible apt-cache show gnomesword What I'd like is the Oxford Press Version of the Revised Standard Edition, which is a copyrighted work but the preferred text for scholars. It's too hard to look up phrases in the KJV because the syntax is relative stilted. And I don't want to use some far-out newage FreeBible from 4GuysInMontana, Inc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: e-Sword under Linux?
Freddy Freeloader wrote: Roberto Sanchez wrote: Check: bibletime, gnomesword, sword-comm-mhcc, sword-comm-pers, sword-dict-naves, sword-text-web, bible-kjv You can also try running e-Sword in WINE. -Roberto Sanchez Thanks to all who replied. Unfortunately I've looked at the programs available in Debian packages and found them to not fit my needs. If you're curious to see why do a Google search for e-Sword. The sheer number of translations, commentaries, concordances, and other study helps found in e-Sword just dwarfs anything to be found in a Debian package, and it is freeware. The only commercial packages that are its equal cost a few hundred dollars. I'll have to start experimenting with Wine and see if I can get e-Sword to work under it. I just submitted a feedback on the e-Sword website. I encouraged Rick to consider making the software available under an open source license and even offered my help to port the software. Hopefully this will pan out, as I also have been looking for a good Bible-study tool in Linux. -Roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: e-Sword under Linux?
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 09:39:36PM -0800, Freddy Freeloader wrote: I'll have to start experimenting with Wine and see if I can get e-Sword to work under it. According to the WINE application database, it works partially, but you need a Windows box to actually install it. http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=1473;PHPSESSID=bbaa7417043119d6add520503442c899 -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading http://www.jabootu.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 01:14:29AM -0500, William Ballard wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 01:06:20AM -0500, William Ballard wrote: Again, this is not all the scholarly Bible Research there is -- this is All the Public Domain scholarly Bible Reserach there is. Hoorah! The Oxford Text of the Revised Standard Version is available as PDF, HTML, and Text online: http://www.anova.org/sev/ (The Koran will be up there in a while -- too) including the all important commentaries. This is what makes it the most useful for scholarly research because you'll be talking about the same stuff. It is still a copyrighted work; and is totally not DFSG-free, but it could be automatically downloaded by a Debian package like the Microsoft Fonts were. This could be the basis for a really fantastic Free software package that just downloads the data manually. Here is the bits about using what it is and how you can use it: [begin] The New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) was chosen for this site due to its scholarly and ecumenical approach along with its accuracy, readability, and clarity. The list of xcellent Jewish, Catholic, and Protestant scholars who worked on the NRSV translation makes this translation by far the most robust and apt for scholarly biblical studies in the 21st century. The Scripture quotations contained herein are from the New Revised Standard Version Bible, copyright 1989, by the Division of Christian Education of the National Council of the Churches of Christ in the U.S.A. Used by permission. All rights reserved. The New Revised Standard Version Bible may be quoted and/or reprinted up to and inclusive of five hundred (500) verses without express written permission of the publisher, provided the verses quoted do not amount to a complete book of the Bible or account for fifty percent (50%) of the total work in which they are quoted. All introductory content is found in the New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha: New Revised Standard Version. Ed. Michael D. Coogan. 3rd ed. (New York: Oxford University Press, 2001). All text is used by permission from Oxford University Press. The New Revised Standard Version is copyright 1989, by the Division of Christian Education of the National Council of the Churches of Christ in the United States of America, and its text is used by permission. [end] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
