Re: euro sign / nobreak space
Hi Nigel I suggest unchecking all boxes on the Enable xkb options page, click on apply, then on default, then logout, and login to KDE. Having logged back in, check Enable xkb options box, and scroll down to the Third level choosers section, then check the Press Right Alt key to choose 3rd level, Shift+Right Alt key is Multi_Key. box. Scroll down a bit more to Adding the EuroSign to certain keys section, and check the Add the EuroSign to the 5 key. box. Click apply. Open Gedit, or Kwrite, and try ALT-GR plus 5. This works for me, and I get the € character displayed in the text editor. Wow! Great! I did exactly as you suggested, and now it works. Alt+5 now produces the € sign and Alt+Space the nobreakspace char (ascii 160). Thank you very much for your help. I've tried all I could think of, but I couldn't have figured this out myself. I don't know about the Compose Key Position section though, as I lost access to the € character, when checking any of the boxes here. After the € sign and the nbsp; char worked, I checked Menu is compose as I my previous setting was, and that also works again like it did: á è ï ô ũ:-) Greetings and thanks again, Manon.
Re: euro sign / nobreak space
Hi Florian,
Although it works now as I applied the suggestions of Nigel Henry
(please see my previous reply), there's still this inconsistency in
the xkb_keymap. Here's my current setting:
M setxkbmap -print
xkb_keymap {
xkb_keycodes { include xfree86+aliases(qwerty) };
xkb_types { include complete };
xkb_compat{ include complete };
xkb_symbols { include pc(pc105)+us+level3(ralt_switch_multikey)
+compose(menu)+eurosign(5)+nbsp(level3) };
xkb_geometry { include pc(pc104) };
};
There's only one line that differs from the old line which was
xkb_symbols { include
pc(pc105)+us+compose(menu)+eurosign(5)+nbsp(level3) };
I don't understand how to correct this pc104/105 inconsistency. But as
all works now, it might be irrelevant now.
BTW: I have a 104-key pc keyboard. It has a one-row Enter key with the
backslash/pipe key above it.
xmodmap -pm still has the same output as before
xmodmap: up to 3 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):
shift Shift_L (0x32), Shift_R (0x3e)
lock Caps_Lock (0x42)
control Control_L (0x25), Control_R (0x6d)
mod1 Alt_L (0x40), Alt_L (0x7d), Meta_L (0x9c)
mod2 Num_Lock (0x4d)
mod3
mod4 Super_L (0x7f), Hyper_L (0x80)
mod5 Mode_switch (0x5d), ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c)
But still missing what you said:
Something is missing in the mod5 line: ISO_Level3_Shift (0x71)
Current:
M xmodmap -pke | egrep 'EuroSign|Level'
keycode 14 = 5 percent EuroSign NoSymbol EuroSign
keycode 113 = ISO_Level3_Shift Multi_key
keycode 124 = ISO_Level3_Shift
The line keycode 113 ...is new.
Do you think, regarding that all is working now like I requested, that
I still should eliminate this pc104/105 inconsistency?
Finally, in Control Center/Xkb options I read Third level
choosers/Press Right Alt key to choose third level, Shift+ Right Alt
key is Multi_Key.
What is this Multi_Key? What's it used for?
Thank you very much for your in-depth explanation.
Greetings, Manon Metten.
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Re: euro sign / nobreak space
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 09:20:29 +0200, Manon Metten wrote:
Hi Florian,
Although it works now as I applied the suggestions of Nigel Henry
(please see my previous reply), there's still this inconsistency in
the xkb_keymap. Here's my current setting:
M setxkbmap -print
xkb_keymap {
xkb_keycodes { include xfree86+aliases(qwerty) };
xkb_types { include complete };
xkb_compat{ include complete };
xkb_symbols { include pc(pc105)+us+level3(ralt_switch_multikey)
+compose(menu)+eurosign(5)+nbsp(level3) };
xkb_geometry { include pc(pc104) };
};
There's only one line that differs from the old line which was
xkb_symbols { include
pc(pc105)+us+compose(menu)+eurosign(5)+nbsp(level3) };
I don't understand how to correct this pc104/105 inconsistency. But as
all works now, it might be irrelevant now.
I like the KDE dialogs as a quick way to look up what certain options
are called (without diving into /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/xorg), but then
I always put my settings into xorg.conf and disable the KDE additions
again. That has the advantage that I will still get my desired
keyboard behavior even if KDE is broken and I have to start Xorg
manually. In the end it is a matter of personal preference, of course.
BTW: I have a 104-key pc keyboard. It has a one-row Enter key with the
backslash/pipe key above it.
xmodmap -pm still has the same output as before
[...]
mod5 Mode_switch (0x5d), ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c)
But still missing what you said:
Something is missing in the mod5 line: ISO_Level3_Shift (0x71)
That does not matter anymore since you have nevertheless assigned the
ISO_Level3_Shift symbol to AltGr due to level3(ralt_switch_multikey).
Current:
M xmodmap -pke | egrep 'EuroSign|Level'
keycode 14 = 5 percent EuroSign NoSymbol EuroSign
keycode 113 = ISO_Level3_Shift Multi_key
keycode 124 = ISO_Level3_Shift
The line keycode 113 ...is new.
As I said, now you have level3(ralt_switch_multikey).
Do you think, regarding that all is working now like I requested, that
I still should eliminate this pc104/105 inconsistency?
I think it is very unlikely (but not impossible) that you will ever have
problems because of the present configuration.
Finally, in Control Center/Xkb options I read Third level
choosers/Press Right Alt key to choose third level, Shift+ Right Alt
key is Multi_Key.
That is the reason you have keycode 113 = ISO_Level3_Shift Multi_key
in the output above. You also have the used the compose(menu) option
so you should have keycode 117 = Multi_key in addition to that.
Therefore you have two possibilities to access the Multi_key
functionality, either by pressing SHIFT - AltGr or by using the Menu key
(i.e. the key between the Windows and the CTRL key on the right hand
side of the keyboard).
What is this Multi_Key? What's it used for?
It is used to compose special characters by pressing two or more keys
in succession. For example:
Multi_Key thenthen a produces ä
Multi_Key then ~ then n produces ñ
Multi_Key then / then o produces ø
Multi_Key then - then L produces £
Multi_Key then = then C produces €
Multi_Key then = then E produces €
Multi_Key then o then o produces °
(then indicates pressing the keys one after the other, releasing each
key before the next one is pressed)
See /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose for more combinations.
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Re: euro sign / nobreak space
Hi Florian, Thanks for explaining. What is this Multi_Key? What's it used for? It is used to compose special characters by pressing two or more keys in succession. OK. Then I prefer to use the Menu-key, coz that's the way I set up Xkb options. To me it's much easier than pressing Shift+Alt-Gr. Greetings, Manon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: euro sign / nobreak space
On Saturday 12 April 2008 21:43, Manon Metten wrote: Hi Nigel On 4/12/08, Nigel Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 12 April 2008 05:17, Manon Metten wrote: Hi All, In KDE/Control Center/Keyboard layout/Xkb options, I set Adding the EuroSign to certain keys to Add the EuroSign to the 5 key, coz that's where it is located on my keyboard. At the bottom of the Control Center I read: setxkbmap -option eurosign:5,compose:menu. (I have set Compose Key Position to Menu is compose.) So I expected to get the EuroSign after pressing the menu key and then the 5 key. But all I get is no EuroSign. Tried I tried Alt+5, Ctrl+5, Ctrl+Alt+5 etc. but I don't get no EuroSign. What did I do wrong? What keys do I have to press to get the EuroSign? Hi Manon. I have a few keboard layouts setup, but on the GB one, the right alt key (ALT GR) plus the 4, gives me the € sign. On the US keyboard layout, right alt plus E does the same. French keyboard, right alt plus E again, and the same for portugese layout. I have a US keyboard, but it just won't work. I have tried all options (2 key, E key and 5 key) but nothing works. Whenever I press the Alt-Gr + E, the Edit menu opens (same with the left-Alt + E). Well I tried adding the € to the 5 key on my Etch install, which only has the original US keyboard layout. The only box I checked in xkb options was the Add the EuroSign to the 5 key one, and ALT-GR plus 5 now gives me the € char. The command shows: setxkbmap -option eurosign:5 I also found this: Adding the nobreakspace keysym to space key with the options to set it to any, second, third and fourth level. What is a level, and eg. if I set it to second level, how do I access the nobreakspace char then? Thanks for the info. Didn't know that.But whatever settings I try, I don't get a nobreakspace char (ascii 160). Later on I checked the box Space key output nobreakspace at third level. I tried ALT-GR plus space in Gedit, and Kwrite, and that still makes a space, but in KDE's Konsole ALT-GR plus space results in no visible space, but a continual string of characters, so it appears to be working, but what it's used for, I have no idea. Perhaps someone would tell me. The command now shows: setxkbmap -option eurosign:5,nbsp:level3 The ALT-GR key is the default one for accessing level 3, and I havn't messed about with changing level 3 access to a different key. Nigel. Greetings, Manon.
Re: euro sign / nobreak space
Hi Florian,
On 4/13/08, Florian Kulzer
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wrote:
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 21:43:55 +0200, Manon Metten wrote:
On 4/12/08, Nigel Henry wrote:
On Saturday 12 April 2008 05:17, Manon Metten wrote:
Hi All,
In KDE/Control Center/Keyboard layout/Xkb options, I set
Adding the EuroSign to certain keys to Add the EuroSign to the 5
key,
coz that's where it is located on my keyboard.
At the bottom of the Control Center I read: setxkbmap -option
eurosign:5,compose:menu.
(I have set Compose Key Position to Menu is compose.) So I expected
to
get
the EuroSign after pressing the menu key and then the 5 key. But all
I
get is
no EuroSign.
Tried I tried Alt+5, Ctrl+5, Ctrl+Alt+5 etc. but I don't get no
EuroSign.
What did I do wrong?
What keys do I have to press to get the EuroSign?
Send us the output of the following three commands:
setxkbmap -print
xkb_keymap {
xkb_keycodes { include xfree86+aliases(qwerty) };
xkb_types { include complete };
xkb_compat { include complete };
xkb_symbols { include pc(pc105)+us+compose(menu)+eurosign(5)+nbsp(level3)
};
xkb_geometry { include pc(pc104) };
};
xmodmap -pm
xmodmap: up to 3 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):
shift Shift_L (0x32), Shift_R (0x3e)
lock Caps_Lock (0x42)
control Control_L (0x25), Control_R (0x6d)
mod1 Alt_L (0x40), Alt_L (0x7d), Meta_L (0x9c)
mod2 Num_Lock (0x4d)
mod3
mod4 Super_L (0x7f), Hyper_L (0x80)
mod5 Mode_switch (0x5d), ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c)
xmodmap -pke | egrep 'EuroSign|Level'
keycode 14 = 5 percent EuroSign NoSymbol EuroSign
keycode 124 = ISO_Level3_Shift
I also found this: Adding the nobreakspace keysym to space key with
the
options to set it to any, second, third and fourth level.
Then we also need the output of:
xmodmap -pke | grep space
keycode 65 = space space nobreakspace NoSymbol nobreakspace
Thanks in advance, Manon.
Re: euro sign / nobreak space
Hi Nigel, Well I tried adding the € to the 5 key on my Etch install, which only has the original US keyboard layout. The only box I checked in xkb options was the Add the EuroSign to the 5 key one, and ALT-GR plus 5 now gives me the € char. The command shows: setxkbmap -option eurosign:5 I did the same, but it just don't work. Later on I checked the box Space key output nobreakspace at third level. I tried ALT-GR plus space in Gedit, and Kwrite, and that still makes a space, but in KDE's Konsole ALT-GR plus space results in no visible space, but a continual string of characters, so it appears to be working, but what it's used for, I have no idea. Perhaps someone would tell me. I use the nobreakspace char instead of the br / tag in html code. Gives a much cleaner text. The command now shows: setxkbmap -option eurosign:5,nbsp:level3 Strange, my output of the same command shows nothing. Thanks, Manon.
Re: euro sign / nobreak space
On Sunday 13 April 2008 16:03, Manon Metten wrote: Hi Nigel, Well I tried adding the € to the 5 key on my Etch install, which only has the original US keyboard layout. The only box I checked in xkb options was the Add the EuroSign to the 5 key one, and ALT-GR plus 5 now gives me the € char. The command shows: setxkbmap -option eurosign:5 I did the same, but it just don't work. Later on I checked the box Space key output nobreakspace at third level. I tried ALT-GR plus space in Gedit, and Kwrite, and that still makes a space, but in KDE's Konsole ALT-GR plus space results in no visible space, but a continual string of characters, so it appears to be working, but what it's used for, I have no idea. Perhaps someone would tell me. I use the nobreakspace char instead of the br / tag in html code. Gives a much cleaner text. The command now shows: setxkbmap -option eurosign:5,nbsp:level3 Strange, my output of the same command shows nothing. Thanks, Manon. Hi Manon. I had another go at this problem of yours, and after playing about with the Compose Key Position section lost access to the € character on key 5, which was working with ALT-GR plus 5. Then I unchecked all boxes, and clicked apply, then clicked defaults, then logged out, and back in to KDE. So starting from the top, I check Enable xkb options, then scroll down to Adding the EuroSign to certain keys section. Check the Add the EuroSign to the 5 key box, click apply, and then open gedit. Now I try ALT-GR plus 5, but nothing. Thinking back to when I first tried this, first of all I checked a box in the Third level choosers section, which was the Press Right Alt key to choose 3rd level, Shift+Right Alt key is Multi_Key, so now I check this box again, and click apply. Now the € character appears in Gedit when doing an ALT-GR plus 5. Now if I uncheck the box above, and click apply, the only box now checked is the Add the EuroSign to the 5 key one, and ALT-GR plus 5 still shows me a € character in Gedit. I hope you are following me on what I had to do to get the € character showing in Gedit/Kwrite. There does though seem to be a problem when checking boxes in the Compose Key Position section of xkb options. I lost access to the € character. All I got were beeps from the pc speaker, and no € character displayed in Gedit. I suggest unchecking all boxes on the Enable xkb options page, click on apply, then on default, then logout, and login to KDE. Having logged back in, check Enable xkb options box, and scroll down to the Third level choosers section, then check the Press Right Alt key to choose 3rd level, Shift+Right Alt key is Multi_Key. box. Scroll down a bit more to Adding the EuroSign to certain keys section, and check the Add the EuroSign to the 5 key. box. Click apply. Open Gedit, or Kwrite, and try ALT-GR plus 5. This works for me, and I get the € character displayed in the text editor. I don't know about the Compose Key Position section though, as I lost access to the € character, when checking any of the boxes here. All the best. Nigel.
Re: euro sign / nobreak space
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On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 16:00:05 +0200, Manon Metten wrote:
On 4/13/08, Florian Kulzer wrote:
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 21:43:55 +0200, Manon Metten wrote:
On 4/12/08, Nigel Henry wrote:
On Saturday 12 April 2008 05:17, Manon Metten wrote:
Hi All,
In KDE/Control Center/Keyboard layout/Xkb options, I set
Adding the EuroSign to certain keys to Add the EuroSign to the 5
key,
coz that's where it is located on my keyboard.
[...]
Tried I tried Alt+5, Ctrl+5, Ctrl+Alt+5 etc. but I don't get no
EuroSign.
What did I do wrong?
What keys do I have to press to get the EuroSign?
Send us the output of the following three commands:
setxkbmap -print
xkb_keymap {
xkb_keycodes { include xfree86+aliases(qwerty) };
xkb_types { include complete };
xkb_compat { include complete };
xkb_symbols { include pc(pc105)+us+compose(menu)+eurosign(5)+nbsp(level3) };
xkb_geometry { include pc(pc104) };
};
I don't think it is the cause for the present problems, but I would
nevertheless fix the pc104/pc105 inconsistency. Check which keyboard you
have: The pc105 model has a tall ENTER key (spanning two rows of keys
and reaching up to the backspace key) while the pc104 model has a
one-row ENTER key with the backslash/pipe key above it. You can use the
xkeycaps package to display graphical representations of the different
layouts.
xmodmap -pm
xmodmap: up to 3 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):
shift Shift_L (0x32), Shift_R (0x3e)
lock Caps_Lock (0x42)
control Control_L (0x25), Control_R (0x6d)
mod1 Alt_L (0x40), Alt_L (0x7d), Meta_L (0x9c)
mod2 Num_Lock (0x4d)
mod3
mod4 Super_L (0x7f), Hyper_L (0x80)
mod5 Mode_switch (0x5d), ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c)
Something is missing in the mod5 line: ISO_Level3_Shift (0x71)
xmodmap -pke | egrep 'EuroSign|Level'
keycode 14 = 5 percent EuroSign NoSymbol EuroSign
keycode 124 = ISO_Level3_Shift
The AltGr key has keycode 113 (0x71) for both the pc104 and the pc105
keyboard model. (You can check with xev from x11-utils.) In your
case it does not have the ISO_Level3_Shift symbol associated with it, so
it produces Alt_R, which acts the same as the left ALT key. This is
the expected behavior for the basic variant of the us layout.
You can either use KDE's Xkb Options tab to add the option Third
level choosers Press Right Alt key to choose 3rd level, or you can
use the Layout tab to select the euro variant of the us layout
(which already includes both the lvl3:ralt_switch and the eurosign:5
option.)
The same setup can be achieved via /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Your pc104/5
inconsistency is probably the result of contradicting settings in
xorg.conf and in the KDE keyboard dialogs.
I also found this: Adding the nobreakspace keysym to space key with
the
options to set it to any, second, third and fourth level.
Then we also need the output of:
xmodmap -pke | grep space
keycode 65 = space space nobreakspace NoSymbol nobreakspace
This should work as soon as you have the ISO_Level3_Shift symbol
associated with the AltGr key.
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Re: euro sign / nobreak space
On Saturday 12 April 2008 05:17, Manon Metten wrote: Hi All, In KDE/Control Center/Keyboard layout/Xkb options, I set Adding the EuroSign to certain keys to Add the EuroSign to the 5 key, coz that's where it is located on my keyboard. At the bottom of the Control Center I read: setxkbmap -option eurosign:5,compose:menu. (I have set Compose Key Position to Menu is compose.) So I expected to get the EuroSign after pressing the menu key and then the 5 key. But all I get is no EuroSign. Tried I tried Alt+5, Ctrl+5, Ctrl+Alt+5 etc. but I don't get no EuroSign. What did I do wrong? What keys do I have to press to get the EuroSign? Hi Manon. I have a few keboard layouts setup, but on the GB one, the right alt key (ALT GR) plus the 4, gives me the € sign. On the US keyboard layout, right alt plus E does the same. French keyboard, right alt plus E again, and the same for portugese layout. I also found this: Adding the nobreakspace keysym to space key with the options to set it to any, second, third and fourth level. What is a level, and eg. if I set it to second level, how do I access the nobreakspace char then? Not sure about the nobreakspace char, but the levels are: Level one: lower case characters. Level two: Upper case characters (using the shift key). Level three: Additional characters (using right alt (ALT GR) key). Level four: More additional characters (using right alt plus shift). Greetings, Manon. All the best. Nigel.
Re: euro sign / nobreak space
Hi Nigel On 4/12/08, Nigel Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 12 April 2008 05:17, Manon Metten wrote: Hi All, In KDE/Control Center/Keyboard layout/Xkb options, I set Adding the EuroSign to certain keys to Add the EuroSign to the 5 key, coz that's where it is located on my keyboard. At the bottom of the Control Center I read: setxkbmap -option eurosign:5,compose:menu. (I have set Compose Key Position to Menu is compose.) So I expected to get the EuroSign after pressing the menu key and then the 5 key. But all I get is no EuroSign. Tried I tried Alt+5, Ctrl+5, Ctrl+Alt+5 etc. but I don't get no EuroSign. What did I do wrong? What keys do I have to press to get the EuroSign? Hi Manon. I have a few keboard layouts setup, but on the GB one, the right alt key (ALT GR) plus the 4, gives me the € sign. On the US keyboard layout, right alt plus E does the same. French keyboard, right alt plus E again, and the same for portugese layout. I have a US keyboard, but it just won't work. I have tried all options (2 key, E key and 5 key) but nothing works. Whenever I press the Alt-Gr + E, the Edit menu opens (same with the left-Alt + E). I also found this: Adding the nobreakspace keysym to space key with the options to set it to any, second, third and fourth level. What is a level, and eg. if I set it to second level, how do I access the nobreakspace char then? Not sure about the nobreakspace char, but the levels are: Level one: lower case characters. Level two: Upper case characters (using the shift key). Level three: Additional characters (using right alt (ALT GR) key). Level four: More additional characters (using right alt plus shift). Thanks for the info. Didn't know that.But whatever settings I try, I don't get a nobreakspace char (ascii 160). Greetings, Manon.
Re: euro sign / nobreak space
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 21:43:55 +0200, Manon Metten wrote: On 4/12/08, Nigel Henry wrote: On Saturday 12 April 2008 05:17, Manon Metten wrote: Hi All, In KDE/Control Center/Keyboard layout/Xkb options, I set Adding the EuroSign to certain keys to Add the EuroSign to the 5 key, coz that's where it is located on my keyboard. At the bottom of the Control Center I read: setxkbmap -option eurosign:5,compose:menu. (I have set Compose Key Position to Menu is compose.) So I expected to get the EuroSign after pressing the menu key and then the 5 key. But all I get is no EuroSign. Tried I tried Alt+5, Ctrl+5, Ctrl+Alt+5 etc. but I don't get no EuroSign. What did I do wrong? What keys do I have to press to get the EuroSign? Hi Manon. I have a few keboard layouts setup, but on the GB one, the right alt key (ALT GR) plus the 4, gives me the € sign. On the US keyboard layout, right alt plus E does the same. French keyboard, right alt plus E again, and the same for portugese layout. I have a US keyboard, but it just won't work. I have tried all options (2 key, E key and 5 key) but nothing works. Whenever I press the Alt-Gr + E, the Edit menu opens (same with the left-Alt + E). Send us the output of the following three commands: setxkbmap -print xmodmap -pm xmodmap -pke | egrep 'EuroSign|Level' I also found this: Adding the nobreakspace keysym to space key with the options to set it to any, second, third and fourth level. What is a level, and eg. if I set it to second level, how do I access the nobreakspace char then? Not sure about the nobreakspace char, but the levels are: Level one: lower case characters. Level two: Upper case characters (using the shift key). Level three: Additional characters (using right alt (ALT GR) key). Level four: More additional characters (using right alt plus shift). Thanks for the info. Didn't know that.But whatever settings I try, I don't get a nobreakspace char (ascii 160). Then we also need the output of: xmodmap -pke | grep space -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian |
euro sign / nobreak space
Hi All, In KDE/Control Center/Keyboard layout/Xkb options, I set Adding the EuroSign to certain keys to Add the EuroSign to the 5 key, coz that's where it is located on my keyboard. At the bottom of the Control Center I read: setxkbmap -option eurosign:5,compose:menu. (I have set Compose Key Position to Menu is compose.) So I expected to get the EuroSign after pressing the menu key and then the 5 key. But all I get is no EuroSign. Tried I tried Alt+5, Ctrl+5, Ctrl+Alt+5 etc. but I don't get no EuroSign. What did I do wrong? What keys do I have to press to get the EuroSign? I also found this: Adding the nobreakspace keysym to space key with the options to set it to any, second, third and fourth level. What is a level, and eg. if I set it to second level, how do I access the nobreakspace char then? Greetings, Manon.
