Re: JPEG or GIF background in fvwm?

[Marc Wilson]

It's really not related to your window manager, although various do
provide a way to set it.  The easiest way to deal with it is to set it
via your ~/.xsession file before you invoke the window manager.

You can use any one of:
xv
xsetroot
xloadimage
display
wmsetbg
esetroot (although I wouldn't)

And probably more than a few others.

On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 12:17:43AM -0400, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> This is somewhat off-topic, but can anyone point me in the right
> direction to finding out how to use a .gif or .jpeg file as a desktop
> background in fvwm?
> 
> TIA
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Re: JPEG or GIF background in fvwm?

[Erik Steffl]

Marc Shapiro wrote:
> 
> This is somewhat off-topic, but can anyone point me in the right
> direction to finding out how to use a .gif or .jpeg file as a desktop
> background in fvwm?

  I use chbg but you can use number of programs. it does not have to be
related to window manager... (you can call the program from your window
manager but I prefer to put it into X startup scripts)

  chbg changes the picture in root window, it picks out of the set you
provide, other programs simply put the image in root window...

erik

Re: JPEG or GIF background in fvwm?

[Dmitriy]

On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 12:17:43AM -0400, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> This is somewhat off-topic, but can anyone point me in the right
> direction to finding out how to use a .gif or .jpeg file as a desktop
> background in fvwm?
Either Esetroot from eterm (i think that's where it is)
or xsetroot. But I am not sure which formats xsetroot suports, 
but Esetroot supports jpeg at least.
Hope that helps.

> 
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JPEG or GIF background in fvwm?

[Marc Shapiro]

This is somewhat off-topic, but can anyone point me in the right
direction to finding out how to use a .gif or .jpeg file as a desktop
background in fvwm?

TIA
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]you will live to be 150 years old,
Please visit "The Meadery" at:   unless your wife shoots you."
http://www.bigfoot.com/~m_shapiro/   -- Dr. Ferenc Androczi, winemaker,
 Little Hungary Farm Winery

mutt keybindings: fvwm interfering?

[Ailbhe Leamy]

I'm trying to bind my  and  keys to last-entry and
first-entry respectively.

xev sees them properly.

It all works from the console (though colours don't, but that's not a
problem).

Is xterm screwing me up? Have I left out a vital piece of information?
Is my windowmanager from hell?

Baffled,

Ailbhe

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fvwm-beta (2.3) packages are apt'able now

[Alexander Kotelnikov]

Hello.

One can get them from http://people.debian.org/~sacha/debian/
or by putting
deb http://people.debian.org/~sacha/debian unstable/
in /etc/apt/sources.list

The packages are fvwm-beta and fvwm-icons

Seems to be quite stable.

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Saint-Petersburg, Russia

Re: fvwm pager display

[Andrew Perrin]

Thanks, but that doesn't address what I'm after. I can set the title bar
fine; it's the mnemonic in the fvwm pager that doesn't get it.

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On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, mike polniak wrote:

> Andrew Perrin wrote:
> > Greetings-
> > 
> > This is perhaps a silly question, but here goes. I use fvwm(2) under
> > potato, and many of the windows I have open at any time are ssh sessions
> > to somewhere else.  I typically open these with entries in my fvwm menu
> > that run something like this:
> > 
> > + "statapps" Exec rxvt -name 'StatApps' -title 'StatApps' -e ssh 
> >   statapps.unc.edu
> > 
> > This all works just fine, except that in the fvwm pager the window is
> > simply labeled "ssh", which makes it impossible to differentiate from the
> > other ssh sessions. Is there any way to change this?
>   
>   Try >http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO-5.html
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Re: fvwm pager display

[mike polniak]

Andrew Perrin wrote:
> Greetings-
> 
> This is perhaps a silly question, but here goes. I use fvwm(2) under
> potato, and many of the windows I have open at any time are ssh sessions
> to somewhere else.  I typically open these with entries in my fvwm menu
> that run something like this:
> 
> + "statapps" Exec rxvt -name 'StatApps' -title 'StatApps' -e ssh 
>   statapps.unc.edu
> 
> This all works just fine, except that in the fvwm pager the window is
> simply labeled "ssh", which makes it impossible to differentiate from the
> other ssh sessions. Is there any way to change this?

Try >http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO-5.html
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fvwm pager display

[Andrew Perrin]

Greetings-

This is perhaps a silly question, but here goes. I use fvwm(2) under
potato, and many of the windows I have open at any time are ssh sessions
to somewhere else.  I typically open these with entries in my fvwm menu
that run something like this:

+ "statapps" Exec rxvt -name 'StatApps' -title 'StatApps' -e ssh 
  statapps.unc.edu

This all works just fine, except that in the fvwm pager the window is
simply labeled "ssh", which makes it impossible to differentiate from the
other ssh sessions. Is there any way to change this?

Thanks.

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fvwm-common in testing

[Andy Fraser]

I am trying to upgrade to testing.  The only problem I know about yet
is that the fvwm-common package doesn't install.  It complains about
"trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/include/X11/pixmaps/keyboard.xpm'".
I use dselect.  Here is the complaint in full:

0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/290kB of archives. After unpacking 1230kB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 
(Reading database ... 48799 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking fvwm-common (from .../fvwm-common_2.2.4-2_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/fvwm-common_2.2.4-2_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/include/X11/pixmaps/keyboard.xpm', which is 
also in package xlibs
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/fvwm-common_2.2.4-2_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
Some errors occurred while unpacking. I'm going to configure the
packages that were installed. This may result in duplicate errors
or errors caused by missing dependencies. This is OK, only the errors
above this message are important. Please fix them and run [I]nstall again
Press enter to continue.

I'd appreciate explanations or advice.

Andy Fraser

Re: FVWM menus and colors

[Erik Steffl]

Richard Cobbe wrote:
... about fvwm default setting etc...
> I didn't like the debian defaults much either, but I wanted to keep the
> automatically-generated menus.  So, in my post.hook, I created a *new*
> top-level menu, which contains the Debian automatic menu system as one of
> its choices, and rebound the mouse and keybindings to bring up this new
> menu instead.  This way, I get all of the old choices I had when I was
> still using RedHat, and I have access to the Debian stuff when I need it.
> 
> Now if I could just figure out how to reset the pager's properties in a
> consistent fashion, I'd be in business.

  I haven't had a time to devote to checking out fvwm config in debian
but I'd say that the menus is about the only thing you really want to
keep, so you can probably just create completely new config for fvwm
(there are a lot of examples + fairly good man page) and use the default
debian menu from /etc/X11/fvwm. That's what I'll do one of these days, I
guess.

  but there are various hooks in debian default config so you might want
to investigate a bit first...

  btw new fvwm is coming soon (subject to change, but it's in feature
freeze for some time) with completely new support for themes etc... we
might even get fvwm.themes.org again! well, actually fvwm.themes.org is
already working but is not advertised at www.themes.org and is not for
current version of fvwm.

erik

Re: FVWM menus and colors

[Richard Cobbe]

Lo, on Wednesday, January 24, Erik Steffl did write:

> Xucaen wrote:



> > what is auto-generation? where is the program
> > called update-menus(is it a program??), how do I
> 
>   yes, that's it, to find a program:
> 
>   which program
>   locate program
>   find / -name program -print

This assumes that the program is on your system.  If it's not, check out
www.debian.org/Packages, and especially the file search form at the bottom.

In this case, though, update-menus is a program in the `menu' package.



>   I don't find debian fvwm default settings very good (i.e. not exactly
> waht I want, which is true for basically any defualt settings:-), the
> most important feature is the automatically generated menu so you have
> easy access to all your installed software (or lot of, not everything is
> in menu).

I didn't like the debian defaults much either, but I wanted to keep the
automatically-generated menus.  So, in my post.hook, I created a *new*
top-level menu, which contains the Debian automatic menu system as one of
its choices, and rebound the mouse and keybindings to bring up this new
menu instead.  This way, I get all of the old choices I had when I was
still using RedHat, and I have access to the Debian stuff when I need it.

Now if I could just figure out how to reset the pager's properties in a
consistent fashion, I'd be in business.

Richard

Re: FVWM menus and colors

[Erik Steffl]

Xucaen wrote:
> 
> Hi all..
> does anyone else use fvwm? I was just playing

  you bet!

> with some configs and while reading the docs
> about adding to the menu, it says:
> 
> "The menu auto-generation stuff puts the
> generated menus in this system-wide file.  As any
> edits the system administrator makes to this file
> will be lost the next time "update-menus" is run,
> it should not be edited.  Also, as users can run
> update-menus  themselves, creating their own
> ~/.fvwm/menudefs.hook, this should also not be
> edited by hand."
> 
> what is auto-generation? where is the program
> called update-menus(is it a program??), how do I

  yes, that's it, to find a program:

  which program
  locate program
  find / -name program -print

> add items to the menu so they won't get deleted?
> and what is the menu package? (I don't like to
> install packages if I know nothing about them.
> I'm still learning the system and I don't want it
> suddenly changed half way thru my learning
> curve.)

  to be totally independent of debian fvwm config just create a file
.fvwmrc (or .fvwm2rc) and put all your config stuff in there (or create
a ~/.fvwmrc.d directory with multiple files and just include them from
~/.fvwmrc),

  to use the debian config just follow the comments, you can change
either the system files in /etc/X11/fvwm or create file in ~/.fvwm (you
might need to create thsi direcotry).

  note the main-menu-pre.hook file, that's where you can add your menu
entries (these come before any other menu entries) and main-menu.hook
(these are part of main menu, before last Exit item)

  I don't find debian fvwm default settings very good (i.e. not exactly
waht I want, which is true for basically any defualt settings:-), the
most important feature is the automatically generated menu so you have
easy access to all your installed software (or lot of, not everything is
in menu).

  if you want to change menu for all the window managers, you'd better
take a look at the menu system, you basically need to create new menu
entries (there's some docs on it and plenty of examples in
/usr/lib/menu/*), you need to add your new entries to /etc/menu (which
is not for fvwm only, that's general menu used by all (almost) WMs in
debian, perhpas other programs as well).

erik

FVWM menus and colors

[Xucaen]

Hi all.. 
does anyone else use fvwm? I was just playing
with some configs and while reading the docs
about adding to the menu, it says: 

"The menu auto-generation stuff puts the
generated menus in this system-wide file.  As any
edits the system administrator makes to this file
will be lost the next time "update-menus" is run,
it should not be edited.  Also, as users can run
update-menus  themselves, creating their own
~/.fvwm/menudefs.hook, this should also not be
edited by hand."

what is auto-generation? where is the program
called update-menus(is it a program??), how do I
add items to the menu so they won't get deleted?
and what is the menu package? (I don't like to
install packages if I know nothing about them.
I'm still learning the system and I don't want it
suddenly changed half way thru my learning
curve.)

thanks all!!!

xucaen

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fvwm 2.3 packages announce

[Alexander Kotelnikov]

Hello.

I decided to get prepared to fvwm 2.4 release and made packages of
fvwm 2.3, cvs version built on current testing/unstable. They can be 
obtained from
http://people.debian.org/~sacha/debian/

Packages are fvwm-beta and fvwm-icons. If you want to try them, remove
fvwm 2.2 at first:
dpkg -r fvwm fvwm2 fvwm-common
dpkg -i fvwm-beta_20010113-1_i386.deb fvwm-icons_20010113-1_all.deb 

If someone want to build these packages himself note that  debian/ directory
is inside tar.gz files.

Warning 1: fvwm 2.3 could be very unstable (although it works for me ~16
hours without any problems), so I will not put them in even in unstable.
Warning 2: configuration files format was slightly changed.

Comments and bug reports are welcome.
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Re: [OT] Bash Script won't work in fvwm menu.

[Erdmut Pfeifer]

On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 08:44:59AM -0500, Ayman Haidar wrote:
> I think the problem is with the $HOME , since the script is run as
> root, $HOME is for /root not the user home directory.

hmmm, why is it run as root?
I don't know too much about fvwm2 -- it's quite a long time since I
last used it -- but my current window manager (wmx) runs programs
under my regular UID.
Anyhow, because of Netscape's legendary 'stability', I'd rather not
have it run as root... :)

Cheers,
Erdmut


> try to give it the absolute directory and see. or try to make the
> script owned by the user.
> 
> good luck
> 
> Ayman
> 
> Once upon a time ktb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I've written the following script which works just fine at the
>> command line (xterm) but doesn't work when I use it in .fvwm2rc
>> in a menu -
>> + "myNetscape"   exec mynet
>> 
>> Netscape starts just fine but the lock file and pid aren't killed.
>> The permissions of /usr/local/bin/mynet -
>> -rwxr-xr-x1 root root
>> 
>> What do I need to do to make this work from my menu?
>> Thanks,
>> kent
>> 
>> 
>> ###
>> #!/bin/sh
>> 
>> net_pid=$(pidof -s netscape)
>> lock_file=$HOME/.netscape/lock
>> 
>> if [ $net_pid ]
>> then
>>  kill -9 $net_pid
>>  echo -e "\nKilled pid #$net_pid."
>> fi
>> 
>> if [ -L $lock_file ]
>> then
>> rm $lock_file
>> echo -e "\nLockfile  was removed.\n"
>> fi
>> 
>> netscape -no-about-splash &
>> 
>> ###
>> 
>> -- 
> 
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Re: [OT] Bash Script won't work in fvwm menu.

[Ayman Haidar]

I think the problem is with the $HOME , since the script is run as
root, $HOME is for /root not the user home directory.
try to give it the absolute directory and see. or try to make the
script owned by the user.

good luck

Ayman

Once upon a time ktb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

   > 
   > I've written the following script which works just fine at the
   > command line (xterm) but doesn't work when I use it in .fvwm2rc
   > in a menu -
   > + "myNetscape"   exec mynet
   > 
   > Netscape starts just fine but the lock file and pid aren't killed.
   > The permissions of /usr/local/bin/mynet -
   > -rwxr-xr-x1 root root
   > 
   > What do I need to do to make this work from my menu?
   > Thanks,
   > kent
   > 
   > 
   > ###
   > #!/bin/sh
   > 
   > net_pid=$(pidof -s netscape)
   > lock_file=$HOME/.netscape/lock
   > 
   > if [ $net_pid ]
   > then
   >kill -9 $net_pid
   >echo -e "\nKilled pid #$net_pid."
   > fi
   > 
   > if [ -L $lock_file ]
   > then
   > rm $lock_file
   > echo -e "\nLockfile  was removed.\n"
   > fi
   > 
   > netscape -no-about-splash &
   > 
   > ###
   > 
   > -- 

[OT] Bash Script won't work in fvwm menu.

[ktb]

I've written the following script which works just fine at the
command line (xterm) but doesn't work when I use it in .fvwm2rc
in a menu -
+ "myNetscape"   exec mynet

Netscape starts just fine but the lock file and pid aren't killed.
The permissions of /usr/local/bin/mynet -
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root

What do I need to do to make this work from my menu?
Thanks,
kent


###
#!/bin/sh

net_pid=$(pidof -s netscape)
lock_file=$HOME/.netscape/lock

if [ $net_pid ]
then
kill -9 $net_pid
echo -e "\nKilled pid #$net_pid."
fi

if [ -L $lock_file ]
then
rm $lock_file
echo -e "\nLockfile  was removed.\n"
fi

netscape -no-about-splash &

###

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fvwm configuration won't port

[Andrew Perrin]

Sorry to keep pestering the list, but...

I copied over the fvwm configuration files from /etc/X11/fvwm and ~/.fvwm
using tar from an existing potato machine to my newly-installed
laptop.  The files are there, the permissions are the same, etc.  But fvwm
on the laptop (the new machine) doesn't read any of the /etc/X11/fvwm
information, so the menu is empty.  It reads the ~ files fine.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: fvwm jpg background

[Michael Sauer]

On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, ktb wrote:

>   I see how to use  the FvwmBacker module and FvwmBackerDesk to
>   set an xpm image as wallpaper but I don't see how I can use a
>   jpg as wallpaper with fvwm.  Anyone know how to do this?
>   Thanks,
>   kent

How about using xv or electric eyes? 
xv -root -quit image.jpg
eeyes -r image.jpg

mfg
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Re: fvwm jpg background

[Moritz Schulte]

ktb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I see how to use the FvwmBacker module and FvwmBackerDesk to set an
> xpm image as wallpaper but I don't see how I can use a jpg as
> wallpaper with fvwm.  Anyone know how to do this?

I can't tell you, how to do it with FvwmBacker, but, there's a nice
tool 'setup-background' (from the package 'fvwm-common'), which can
set the background for you.

moritz
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fvwm jpg background

[ktb]

I see how to use  the FvwmBacker module and FvwmBackerDesk to
set an xpm image as wallpaper but I don't see how I can use a
jpg as wallpaper with fvwm.  Anyone know how to do this?
Thanks,
kent

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FVWM warning eats 90% of CPU power

[Alexander Kushnirenko]

Hi, 

I have fvwm 2.2.4-2 installed on potato system.  One user have a strange
process FvwmCommandS running all the time and consuming all of CPU power.
In the "ps axf" output it's process number 1833

Why is that?

 1745 ?S  0:00  \_ -:0 
 1795 ?S  0:00  \_ sh /home/username/.xsession
 1828 ?S  0:00  \_ /usr/bin/ssh-agent 
/home/username/.xsession
 1831 ?S  0:00  \_ /usr/bin/X11/fvwm
 1832 ?S  0:00  
\_/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fvwm/2.2.4/FvwmButtons 8 5 /etc/X11/fvwm/main-menu.hook 0 
8 DebianFv
 1833 ?R219:32  
\_/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fvwm/2.2.4/FvwmCommandS 11 8/etc/X11/fvwm/system.warnings 
0 8
 1836 ?S  0:00  
\_/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fvwm/2.2.4/FvwmPager 11 4 /etc/X11/fvwm/post.hook 0 8 0 0
 1899 ?S  0:00  \_ /usr/bin/X11/xterm -ls -sb -sk -fg 
seagreen1 -bg grey20 -cr yellow -T [EMAIL PROTECTED] -e

Thank you,
Sasha.

Sawfish or fvwm? (was: Re: Which window manager)

[I. Tura]

Hi people,

I use fvwm... And I've heard of Sawfish, that I've read is very fast. 
But,
which one is faster, fvwm or Sawfish? (with a ISA-16 bit video card with
the config file totally hacked I still need more speed, victim of
capitalism I am!)


Thank you.


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Fvwm features vanished on upgrade

[Geza GYORGYI]

After I upgraded slink to the present potato, the buttons and the
pager of fvwm2 vanished from the desk at login.  They were
specified in /etc/X11/fvwm/system.fvwm2rc.  Most of the fvwm
modules in the menu do not work either.   I know that some
configuration changed in the newest fvwm2, as described in
/usr/doc/fvwm/README.Debian_upgrading, but I cannot explain what
happened, based on that document. Has fvwm2rc sytax changed?I
have switched to enlightenment, but still would be grateful for
any leads.

Geza Gyorgyi
Eotvos University, Budapest, Pf. 32, 1518 HUNGARY
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Re: X/fvwm forcing me to place windows

[David J. Kanter]

On Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 09:18:35AM +0100, Robert Waldner wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:26:13 CST, "David J. Kanter" writes:
> >I've got fvwm set up so that when it starts, I have 2 xterms and xjed on on
> >page; mutt on another; and slrn on yet another. And when I start netscape,
> >it automatically goes to another page. I'm working with that default 3x3
> >desktop, which is fine for me.
> >
> >If you want to know how to do this, let me know.
> 
> at least I would like to know, but as I'm supposedly not the only one,
> maybe you could answer this to the list?
> tia
> &rw
---end quoted text---

# ~/.fvwm/init-restart.hook
# Make windows and icons snap to each other.

SnapAttraction 8 All
SnapGrid 8

# Some pre-start set-ups: These are going to ensure that when the programs
# are started, they start on the rights pages.

GlobalOpts ActivePlacementHonorsStartsOnPage
Style gkrellm* Sticky
Style e-mail* StartsOnPage 1 0, SkipMapping
Style news* StartsOnPage 2 0, SkipMapping
Style Netscape* StartsOnPage 0 1, SkipMapping
# I don't want the CD player to have a title bar, so...
Style XfreeCD* NoTitle


# This stuff is started each time fvwm2 is either started OR restarted.
# I'm going to have these always "on": 2 xterms, xjed and gkrellm. Also, I
# want mutt and slrn to start up, but on different pages of the desktop. 

+ "I" Exec xterm -rv -geometry +64+0
+ "I" Exec xterm -rv -geometry +560+0 -T "root window"
+ "I" Exec xjed -geometry +330+360 
+ "I" Exec gkrellm -geometry -0+0
+ "I" Exec xterm -geometry 125x64+0+0 -T "e-mail" -e mutt
+ "I" Exec xterm -geometry 125x64+0+0 -T "news" -e slrn


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fvwm and ActivePlacement

[hawk]

(my problem with windows needing to be manually placed).

Yep, that did it--I edited out the ActivePlacement and replaced it with 
SmartPlacement in the system.fvwmrc.  In the process of restarting 
fvwm, I lost the digest with the message.  SO thank you, even though I 
can't send this to you directly.

I don't suppose you can tell me how to get my alt-clic to raise/lower 
windows back?  I've been using this for so long, it's instinctive--and 
I was at least five years away from my last cp/m or dos machine when I 
finally stopped trying to use wordstar commands in other wordprocessors.

Thanks again

Rick

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Re: X/fvwm forcing me to place windows

[David J. Kanter]

I'm no fvwm guru, but there's an ActivePlacement flag that may be your
problem. I have the same "problem" when a new window would overlap existing
windows, so fvwm asks me where to place it as opposed to deciding for
itself. I guess it doesn't want to take responsibility in this situation.

I've got fvwm set up so that when it starts, I have 2 xterms and xjed on on
page; mutt on another; and slrn on yet another. And when I start netscape,
it automatically goes to another page. I'm working with that default 3x3
desktop, which is fine for me.

If you want to know how to do this, let me know.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 04:45:41PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Since switcing to potato, fvwm is behavng much differently.  Most 
> annoying of the changes is that for some programs (netscape), it is 
> requiring me to manually place the windows, a la twm.  For others, the 
> winows happily appear themselve (xterm, exmh).  And occasionally 
> (exmh), programs that usually work force me to place windows.
---end quoted text---

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X/fvwm forcing me to place windows

[hawk]

Since switcing to potato, fvwm is behavng much differently.  Most 
annoying of the changes is that for some programs (netscape), it is 
requiring me to manually place the windows, a la twm.  For others, the 
winows happily appear themselve (xterm, exmh).  And occasionally 
(exmh), programs that usually work force me to place windows.

I supposedly have the same config files.  What is going on?

While I'm at it, I'e lost alt-click to move windows forward and 
backwards.

Rick

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potato fscked fvwm, and *slow*

[hawk]

I "upgraded" to potato since it was easier than a package-by-package 
upgrade to get the newer version of wine (OK, that was stupid).

Two problems

1) fvwm is, uhh, bad.  It's behavior has changed a *couple* of times 
over the last couple of days.  Initially, the wine windows behaved 
normally, rather than sticking to the foreground like the documentation 
mentioned.  Then I lost my left-click menus.  The little window box in 
the lower right came back (I'd edited the old files to get rid of it, 
but this is the least of my concerns).  Then this morning, it popped up
windows with no controls at all up top--they would go active  as the 
mouse passed over, but there was no way (including mouse & control tab) 
to move them around, or move them to the front).  I hid all the .fvwm* 
in ~, and most of that went away.  But now for some programs 
(netscape3, plan) it wants me to place windows twm-style (including 
new netscape windows, but not netscape dialogs), but others work fine 
(xterm, exmh).

2)  It's become pig-slow.  Massive paging, and generally noticeably 
slower than under slink.  Not as bad as when the cache got turned off, 
but netscape loading big pages while dselect runs doubly nice brings it 
too its knees--high load, visible redrawing of windows, then a couple 
of minuts of heavy paging with 20-70% idle CPU [i'm interpreting this 
as it having things to do, but it can't do them until I reload]

The system is a p5/120 with 24mb (8 of which I had to bring from home).

rick

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RE: Changing default of FVWM for windows manager.

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

On 25-Jan-2000 Tom Warfield wrote:
> How would i change my default of FVWM for my windows manager to Windows
> Maker?
> 

register-window-manager --default .  Do a --help and it explains what is
going on.

Changing default of FVWM for windows manager.

[Tom Warfield]

How would i change my default of FVWM for my windows manager to Windows
Maker?

Thanks,
Tom

Fvwm on Potato

[Alec Smith]

After a bit of fiddling, I finally have Fvwm working on my Potato system.
It seems that a symlink needed to be made from /etc/X11/fvwm to
/etc/X11/fvwm2 (if I recall).

However, I still have one glitch that needs to be worked out. When I
launch a program, I always get an outline of the window and have to click
to place it on the desktop. I'd like to get Fvwm working so that it will
automatically place windows just as it did in Slink, and as other window
managers do in Potato. I've been fiddling with WindowMaker some, but at
this point I'd rather keep using Fvwm.

The system is Debian 2.2 / fvwm 2.2.4 (from the .deb).

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks.

fvwm does not provide x-window-manager?

[Shaul Karl]

I wonder why fvwm does not provides x-window-manager.
The following is copy and paste from deslect:

dselect - recursive package listing  mark:+/=/- verbose:v 
help:?
EIOM Pri Section  Package  Description
 **_ Opt x11  twm  Tab window manager  

 *** Std x11  xfree86-comm X Window System (XFree86) infrastructure
  __ Opt x11  qvwm Windows95 like window manager for X Window 
System
  __ Opt x11  icewmA wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window 
manager
  __ Opt x11  lwm  Lightweight Window Manager
  __ Opt x11  sawmill  a highly configurable window manager for X11
  __ Opt x11  icewm-gnome  A wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window 
manager



twm  installed;  purge (was: install).  Optional
xfree86-common suggests twm or x-window-manager
xfree86-common suggests twm or x-window-manager
twm provides x-window-manager

Re: fvwm beta packages

[Peter S Galbraith]

Dale Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Does anyone know if the beta fvwm2 2.3.x have been packaged for Debian.
 ^

Shao Zhang wrote:

> It is already in potato...
> 
> shao:/home/shao$ apt-cache show fvwm
> Package: fvwm
> Version: 2.2.3-1
   ^

No it's not.

Re: fvwm beta packages

[Shao Zhang]

It is already in potato...

shao:/home/shao$ apt-cache show fvwm
Package: fvwm
Version: 2.2.3-1
Priority: optional
Section: x11
Maintainer: Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.1), libncurses4 (>= 4.2-3.1), libreadlineg2 (>=
2.1-12), 
bstdc++2.10, libxpm4, xlib6g (>= 3.3.5-1)
Recommends: fvwm-common
Suggests: m4, cpp, menu (>=1.5), fvwmconf (>= 0.19-4), rplay (>=3.3.2)
Conflicts: fvwm2 (<< 2.2), fvwm-beta
Replaces: fvwm2 (<< 2.2)
Architecture: i386
Filename: dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/x11/fvwm_2.2.3-1.deb
Size: 808418
MD5sum: ece0ce046ce5392e45d3633589f95268
Description: F(?) Virtual Window Manager, version 2.xx.
 FVWM 2 is an ICCCM-1.1 compliant window manager requiring relatively
 little memory and providing a three-dimensional appearance and a
 virtual desktop, complete with colour icons.
 .
 This package contains version 2.xx, the most recent stable release
 of FVWM.  The old fvwm package (renamed as fvwm1) containing version
 1.24r (the previous stable release) and fvwm can co-exist on a Debian
 system.
 .
 You probably also want to install the fvwm-common and menu packages
 for improved functionality and a good supply of icons.  For the audio
 modules (FvwmEvent and the deprecated FvwmAudio), you probably want
 the rplay package.
installed-size: 1730


Dale Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Does anyone know if the beta fvwm2 2.3.x have been packaged for Debian.
> I have tried to find this information but have had no luck. If so could
> someone point me to where I could find these packages.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Dale
> 
> 
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fvwm beta packages

[Dale Miller]

Does anyone know if the beta fvwm2 2.3.x have been packaged for Debian.
I have tried to find this information but have had no luck. If so could
someone point me to where I could find these packages.

Thanks

Dale

Re: fvwm: Am I missing something or is it a bug ?

[Greg Wooledge]

Shaul Karl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

>  6  elif [ ! -d "$HOME/.fvwm" -a ! -e '$HOME/.fvwm.nowarn" ]

Notice the quotes on this line.  There's a single-quote before the second
$HOME which should be a double quote.

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fvwm: Am I missing something or is it a bug ?

[Shaul Karl]

Package: fvwm
Version: 2.2.2-3
Severity: wishlist

[06:48:47 shaul]$ cat .xsession-errors 
[FVWM][Read]: <> file '.fvwm2rc' not found in $HOME or /etc/X11/fvwm
[FVWM][Read]:  trying to read system rc file
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fvwm/update.warn: line 8: unexpected EOF while looking for 
matching `''
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fvwm/update.warn: line 13: syntax error: unexpected end of 
file
[06:49:46 shaul]$ cat -n /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fvwm/update.warn
 1  #!/bin/sh
 2
 3  if [ -d "$HOME/.fvwm2" -a ! -e "$HOME/.fvwm2/.nowarn" ]
 4  then
 5   FvwmCommand 'Module FvwmForm OldFvwm2Dir'
 6  elif [ ! -d "$HOME/.fvwm" -a ! -e '$HOME/.fvwm.nowarn" ]
 7  then
 8   FvwmCommand 'Module FvwmForm NoFvwmDir'
 9  fi
10
11  # Just for good measure
12  exit 0

- -- System Information
Debian Release: potato
Kernel Version: Linux rakefet 2.2.13 #1 Tue Oct 26 14:00:17 EST 1999 i586 
unknown

Versions of the packages fvwm depends on:
ii  libc6   2.1.2-6GNU C Library: Shared libraries and timezone
ii  libstdc++2.10   2.95.2-1   The GNU stdc++ library
ii  rplay   3.3.2-1A feature-rich network audio system.
ii  xlib6g  3.3.5-1shared libraries required by X clients
ii  xpm4g   3.4k-3 the X PixMap library
^^^ (Provides virtual package libxpm4)

Re: fvwm 2.2 and missing menu items

[Rob Mahurin]

On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 04:05:34AM -0400, Alec Smith wrote:
> I just installed Debian 2.2 after reformatting my old Slink partition. I
> noticed that as root I had my fvwm 2.2 menus as I always had them with the
> old version (2.0.46-BETA I believe) in Slink. However, if I ran fvwm 2.2
> as a normal user, I got a menu that basically let me exit and nothing
> else. The .fvwm2rc file in my home directory does nothing but start xterm
> and use xv to put a background on my screen.
> 
> Is there some change I need to make so that fvwm 2.2 will operate
> correctly?
> 

Did you fix this?  Both my user and root menus have exit as the only
entry.  In addition, the "destroy" window-ops function sometimes kills
my Xserver.  None of this is a problem as when I use X it's usually
not for long and I start all my programs from the xterm; however, it
does suck a little bit.

Haven't tried other window managers because I got to those using the
menus options which are now gone.

Any help appreciated.

Rob

-- 
If a fool persists in his folly he shall become wise.
-- William Blake

fvwm 2.2 and missing menu items

[Alec Smith]

I just installed Debian 2.2 after reformatting my old Slink partition. I
noticed that as root I had my fvwm 2.2 menus as I always had them with the
old version (2.0.46-BETA I believe) in Slink. However, if I ran fvwm 2.2
as a normal user, I got a menu that basically let me exit and nothing
else. The .fvwm2rc file in my home directory does nothing but start xterm
and use xv to put a background on my screen.

Is there some change I need to make so that fvwm 2.2 will operate
correctly?



Thanks,
Alec

Re: fvwm with WM dockable apps

[Brian Servis]

*- On 30 Sep, Shao Zhang wrote about "fvwm with WM dockable apps"
> Hi,
>   Ok, call me old fashioned. But I still like fvwm these days
>   among so many windows managers.
> 

Same here.

>   fvwm does not seem to be able to remeber the window's geometry,
>   and WM dockable apss does not seem to have a -geometry option.
> 
>   Is there any way to tell fvwm to place those apps in a
>   particular position?
> 

I just swallow my 14 wm dock apps in an FvwmButtons bar.  If you want to
have the apps clustered in different areas you can set up multiple
FvwmButtons by giving them each a unique name, the details are in the
FvwmButtons man page under the Initialization section.

An example is:

*FvwmButtons(Swallow(UseOld,NoKill) "wmtime" "Exec wmtime &", Size 64 64, 1x1+1+
1)

This also starts wmtime when the window manager starts up since I do
not start the doc apps anywhere else in the .xsession or fvwm
InitFunction.

HTH,
-- 
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Mechanical Engineering  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Purdue University   http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis
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fvwm with WM dockable apps

[Shao Zhang]

Hi,
Ok, call me old fashioned. But I still like fvwm these days
among so many windows managers.

fvwm does not seem to be able to remeber the window's geometry,
and WM dockable apss does not seem to have a -geometry option.

Is there any way to tell fvwm to place those apps in a
particular position?

Thanks.

Shao.

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fvwm/fvwm2 corrupts screen, other wms don't? X config problem?

[John Miskinis]

Hi,

I noticed that when running fvwm2 (or fvwm) after a few window
drags, the screen gets corrupted.  The wierd thing is that I
do not see this problem when using wmaker at all.

Has anyone else ever seen this problem?  If so, any clues would
be helpful.  Perhaps fvwm/2 exercises the X Server more than the
other WMs, and I my XF86Config isn't as correct as I thought
it was?  Everything else (even Enlightenment) appears to work
OK.

Strange...

John

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fvwm pager window

[Michael Talbot-Wilson]

When I exit fvwm and restart it the pager window background goes black.  
This is on Debian Potato Fvwm 2.2.2.

RE: getting out of fvwm

[g]

i get to see the textmode login after control alt backspace...and if i am fast 
enough i can log in there...but if i don't just another X wm to run...i find 
myself back at the login EVEN THOUGH it takes me away from a logged on session 
as ROOT...pulled me out of dselect to stare at that graphical logon...lol

--
From:   Barry Kauler
Sent:   Saturday, May 29, 1999 6:28 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:getting out of fvwm

I'm *still* installing my first Debian Linux!
I got X windows running, with default window
manager fvwm, but next time I logged in it
didn't stop at the commandline --- went straight
into graphics mode and gave me a login window
for fvwm.
In Red Hat, this is controlled by /etc/inittab, which
sets the initial runlevel to 3.  5 is required to launch
X.
In Debian, inittab has default runlevel set to 2, so
why is it launching straight into fvwm?
Does anyone know what config file needs to be
changed so I can login to commandline only?

Also when I exit from fvwm, refuses to exit to
the commandline. I'm back at that darn login
window again. Even 
won't get me out.

regards,
Barry Kauler



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RE: getting out of fvwm

[Brad]

On Sun, 30 May 1999, Christian Pernegger wrote:

> I renamed its start script:
> 
> cd /etc/rc2.d // for the standard runlvel,e.g.
> mv S99xdm _99xdm
> mv S99gdm _99gdm  // this is Gnome's X-login manager, if you have 
> it

With Debian, all the files in /etc/rc?.d are just symlinks to scripts in
/etc/init.d. There's a utility "update-rc.d" that helps you manage those
links. 
  # update-rc.d -f xdm remove
  # update-rc.d xdm start 99 3 4 5 . stop 01 0 1 2 6 .
The first command removes the old links, the second adds start and stop
links in the runlevels you want. "99" and "01" are the sequence codes.

Just out of curiousity: with the commands you gave, does it kill X if you
change to runlevel 5 (to start it) and then to runlevel 2?

RE: getting out of fvwm

[Michael Talbot-Wilson]

On Sun, 30 May 1999, Christian Pernegger wrote:

> cd /etc/rc2.d // for the standard runlvel,e.g.
> mv S99xdm _99xdm

Thanks for the info.  There is one advantage in the Slackware method of
dedicating a run level to xdm--you can kill it off by changing to the
non-xdm run level (telinit 3).  Of course with Debian you could go
/etc/rc2.d/S99xdm stop. 

> > > > Also when I exit from fvwm, refuses to exit to
> > > > the commandline. I'm back at that darn login
> > > > window again. Even 
> > > > won't get me out.

RE: getting out of fvwm

[Christian Pernegger]

I renamed its start script:

cd /etc/rc2.d   // for the standard runlvel,e.g.
mv S99xdm _99xdm
mv S99gdm _99gdm// this is Gnome's X-login manager, if you have 
it


There are a few others like kdm (KDE) for example. They usually end in 'dm'.
Only init-scripts with the 'S' are started, that goes for everything in
there...

Cheers
Christian Pernegger

> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Talbot-Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



> > >
> > > Also when I exit from fvwm, refuses to exit to
> > > the commandline. I'm back at that darn login
> > > window again. Even 
> > > won't get me out.
> >
> > You have installed xdm.  This gives you the X login screen.  To get out
> > of X, type ctrl-alt-F1 and you should have a command-line login prompt.
> > If you do not want to have the xdm login in the future, type (as root)
> >
> > dpkg -r xdm
>
> Surely it's possible to have it installed and still be able to choose
> whether to run it?
>
>

Re: getting out of fvwm

[Michael Talbot-Wilson]

On Sat, 29 May 1999, Bob Nielsen wrote:

> On Sat, May 29, 1999 at 09:28:11PM +0800, Barry Kauler wrote:
> > I'm *still* installing my first Debian Linux!
> > I got X windows running, with default window
> > manager fvwm, but next time I logged in it
> > didn't stop at the commandline --- went straight
> > into graphics mode and gave me a login window
> > for fvwm.
> > In Red Hat, this is controlled by /etc/inittab, which
> > sets the initial runlevel to 3.  5 is required to launch
> > X.
> > In Debian, inittab has default runlevel set to 2, so
> > why is it launching straight into fvwm?
> > Does anyone know what config file needs to be
> > changed so I can login to commandline only?
> > 
> > Also when I exit from fvwm, refuses to exit to
> > the commandline. I'm back at that darn login
> > window again. Even 
> > won't get me out.
> 
> You have installed xdm.  This gives you the X login screen.  To get out
> of X, type ctrl-alt-F1 and you should have a command-line login prompt.
> If you do not want to have the xdm login in the future, type (as root)
> 
> dpkg -r xdm 

Surely it's possible to have it installed and still be able to choose
whether to run it?

Re: getting out of fvwm

[Kent West]

Armin Wegner wrote:
> 
> On Sat, May 29, 1999 at 09:28:11PM +0800, Barry Kauler wrote:
> > I'm *still* installing my first Debian Linux!
> > I got X windows running, with default window
> > manager fvwm, but next time I logged in it
> > didn't stop at the commandline --- went straight
> > into graphics mode and gave me a login window
> > for fvwm.
> > In Red Hat, this is controlled by /etc/inittab, which
> > sets the initial runlevel to 3.  5 is required to launch
> > X.
> > In Debian, inittab has default runlevel set to 2, so
> > why is it launching straight into fvwm?
> > Does anyone know what config file needs to be
> > changed so I can login to commandline only?
> >
> > Also when I exit from fvwm, refuses to exit to
> > the commandline. I'm back at that darn login
> > window again. Even 
> > won't get me out.
> 
> Hi Barry,
> 
>  switches to the command line.
>  switches back to X.
> 
> Armin

BTW, (and I think this is really cool), you can Ctrl-Alt-F2 (or F3, etc)
to get back to a console, then start a second copy of X with a command
like "startx -- :1"; this will start X on Display #1. Then just
Ctrl-Alt-F7 to get back to the original X; Ctrl-Alt-F8 to get to the new
X. Click; you're in icewm; click again; you're in WindowMaker. It's
really cool (show this trick to your geek co-workers/friends who only
know MS-Windows; that'll light up their interest in Linux).

Re: getting out of fvwm

[Kent West]

Barry Kauler wrote:
> 
> I'm *still* installing my first Debian Linux!
> I got X windows running, with default window
> manager fvwm, but next time I logged in it
> didn't stop at the commandline --- went straight
> into graphics mode and gave me a login window
> for fvwm.
> In Red Hat, this is controlled by /etc/inittab, which
> sets the initial runlevel to 3.  5 is required to launch
> X.
> In Debian, inittab has default runlevel set to 2, so
> why is it launching straight into fvwm?
> Does anyone know what config file needs to be
> changed so I can login to commandline only?
> 
> Also when I exit from fvwm, refuses to exit to
> the commandline. I'm back at that darn login
> window again. Even 
> won't get me out.
> 
> regards,
> Barry Kauler
> 

Several people have recommended uninstalling xdm; I tried that, but I
must have done something wrong or something else was set up that kept
starting X whenever I'd try to shut it down; finally I found the culprit
in /etc/inittab; near the end was a respawn of login.app. I commented
out that line and finally got the control I was wanting.

Perhaps this info will be of some use to you.

Re: getting out of fvwm

[Bob Nielsen]

On Sat, May 29, 1999 at 09:28:11PM +0800, Barry Kauler wrote:
> I'm *still* installing my first Debian Linux!
> I got X windows running, with default window
> manager fvwm, but next time I logged in it
> didn't stop at the commandline --- went straight
> into graphics mode and gave me a login window
> for fvwm.
> In Red Hat, this is controlled by /etc/inittab, which
> sets the initial runlevel to 3.  5 is required to launch
> X.
> In Debian, inittab has default runlevel set to 2, so
> why is it launching straight into fvwm?
> Does anyone know what config file needs to be
> changed so I can login to commandline only?
> 
> Also when I exit from fvwm, refuses to exit to
> the commandline. I'm back at that darn login
> window again. Even 
> won't get me out.

You have installed xdm.  This gives you the X login screen.  To get out
of X, type ctrl-alt-F1 and you should have a command-line login prompt.
If you do not want to have the xdm login in the future, type (as root)

dpkg -r xdm 

Bob

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Re: getting out of fvwm

[ktb]

Barry Kauler wrote:
> 
> I'm *still* installing my first Debian Linux!
> I got X windows running, with default window
> manager fvwm, but next time I logged in it
> didn't stop at the commandline --- went straight
> into graphics mode and gave me a login window
> for fvwm.
> In Red Hat, this is controlled by /etc/inittab, which
> sets the initial runlevel to 3.  5 is required to launch
> X.
> In Debian, inittab has default runlevel set to 2, so
> why is it launching straight into fvwm?
> Does anyone know what config file needs to be
> changed so I can login to commandline only?

I forgot to mention that the package XDM is controlling this.  Search
for XDM in recent archives and you will find your answer:)
kent


> 
> Also when I exit from fvwm, refuses to exit to
> the commandline. I'm back at that darn login
> window again. Even 
> won't get me out.
> 
> regards,
> Barry Kauler
> 
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Re: getting out of fvwm

[ktb]

Barry Kauler wrote:
> 
> I'm *still* installing my first Debian Linux!
> I got X windows running, with default window
> manager fvwm, but next time I logged in it
> didn't stop at the commandline --- went straight
> into graphics mode and gave me a login window
> for fvwm.

This question is asked repeatedly.  A quick search at the Debian User's
archives will net you the info your looking for,
http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/


> In Red Hat, this is controlled by /etc/inittab, which
> sets the initial runlevel to 3.  5 is required to launch
> X.
> In Debian, inittab has default runlevel set to 2, so
> why is it launching straight into fvwm?
> Does anyone know what config file needs to be
> changed so I can login to commandline only?
> 
> Also when I exit from fvwm, refuses to exit to
> the commandline. I'm back at that darn login
> window again. Even 
> won't get me out.

To get a console from X just hit ctrl+alt+F1 through F6.  To go back to
X Alt+F7.  
That is the default set up anyhow.
hth,
kent

Re: getting out of fvwm

[Armin Wegner]

On Sat, May 29, 1999 at 09:28:11PM +0800, Barry Kauler wrote:
> I'm *still* installing my first Debian Linux!
> I got X windows running, with default window
> manager fvwm, but next time I logged in it
> didn't stop at the commandline --- went straight
> into graphics mode and gave me a login window
> for fvwm.
> In Red Hat, this is controlled by /etc/inittab, which
> sets the initial runlevel to 3.  5 is required to launch
> X.
> In Debian, inittab has default runlevel set to 2, so
> why is it launching straight into fvwm?
> Does anyone know what config file needs to be
> changed so I can login to commandline only?
> 
> Also when I exit from fvwm, refuses to exit to
> the commandline. I'm back at that darn login
> window again. Even 
> won't get me out.

Hi Barry,

 switches to the command line.
 switches back to X.

Armin

getting out of fvwm

[Barry Kauler]

I'm *still* installing my first Debian Linux!
I got X windows running, with default window
manager fvwm, but next time I logged in it
didn't stop at the commandline --- went straight
into graphics mode and gave me a login window
for fvwm.
In Red Hat, this is controlled by /etc/inittab, which
sets the initial runlevel to 3.  5 is required to launch
X.
In Debian, inittab has default runlevel set to 2, so
why is it launching straight into fvwm?
Does anyone know what config file needs to be
changed so I can login to commandline only?

Also when I exit from fvwm, refuses to exit to
the commandline. I'm back at that darn login
window again. Even 
won't get me out.

regards,
Barry Kauler

fvwm & KDE

[Shao Zhang]

Hi,
I like fvwm because it is so efficient! I also like KDE because it
looks very nice.

So, I am wondering! I am running 12 virtual screens in my fvwm
session, is it possible to config half of them running kde??

Any hints will be greatly appreciated!

Thx.

Shao.

Re: How to customize fvwm entries ?

[shaul]

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (shaul) writes:
> 
> > It seems to me that you are wrong, since when new packages are installed, 
> > update-menus considers the users who run update-menus as well.
> > I am saying that on the basis of the following lines (from 
> > /usr/doc/menu/html/ch5.html):
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > Am I right ?
> 
> One of us should just try it and see.
> 

I am wrong. I just tried it (unless there is some cron script, or something 
else, that I couldn't find although I looked for). The users customizations do 
not get updated even when the sytem menu does.

> But the reason I don't think it will update individual users' menus is 
> that when I run it, all the menus get put in ~/.fvwm2/.
> When root runs it, the menus go into /etc/X11/fvwm2/.  If
> something changes because a new package is installed, the files in
> /etc/X11/fvwm2/ will be changed, but the old files in ~/.fvwm2/ will
> still contain the old data, and will override the new data, until that 
> user runs update-menus again.
> 

Should this behavior of the update-menus be changed ? Perhaps update-menus 
should keep a list of the users that run it on their home dir ?
As a first step, perhaps users (at least those with a menu customizations) 
should be email-ed to let them know that the system menu has been changed ?

BTW:
1) Is it my bad English, or does /usr/doc/menu/html/ch5.html indeed imply that 
users customizations are getting updated in these circumstances ?

2) Maybe dpkg should automatically email-ed all the users about software 
changes ? (which will be added to the long list of dpkg wishes)

Re: How to customize fvwm entries ?

[Carey Evans]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (shaul) writes:

> It seems to me that you are wrong, since when new packages are installed, 
> update-menus considers the users who run update-menus as well.
> I am saying that on the basis of the following lines (from 
> /usr/doc/menu/html/ch5.html):

[snip]

> Am I right ?

One of us should just try it and see.

But the reason I don't think it will update individual users' menus is 
that when I run it, all the menus get put in ~/.fvwm2/.
When root runs it, the menus go into /etc/X11/fvwm2/.  If
something changes because a new package is installed, the files in
/etc/X11/fvwm2/ will be changed, but the old files in ~/.fvwm2/ will
still contain the old data, and will override the new data, until that 
user runs update-menus again.

-- 
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intellectually honest as to be unable to find someone to sue?" - Cameron Laird

Re: How to customize fvwm entries ?

[shaul]

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (shaul) writes:
> 
> > Thank you. How a user can set it for himself ? (It seems to me that menu 
> > offers a way to do it, only I couldn't understand how)
> 
> He can put it in ~/.menu/lyx and run update-menus himself, which will
> create all the files for just that account.  However, I don't think
> anything will get changed automatically for that user when new
> packages are installled.
> 

It seems to me that you are wrong, since when new packages are installed, 
update-menus considers the users who run update-menus as well.
I am saying that on the basis of the following lines (from 
/usr/doc/menu/html/ch5.html):

Start quoting "

Debian Menu System - chapter 5
The internals of the menu package 

5.1 The update-menus program 

On startup, update-menus checks the file /var/run/update-menus.pid
and the pid in it. If there's an update-menus process with that pid it kills 
it. If
/var/lib/dpkg/lock exists, it forks to background and returns control to
dpkg. The background process checks the /var/lib/dpkg/lock file approx.
every second until the file's gone. 

After that, the following steps are performed: 

  1.sets a variable $dirs to 

  dirs="/etc/menu /usr/lib/menu /usr/lib/menu/default"

(and if a user runs prgn/update-menus/, it will add ~/.menu to the front of
that list)

  2.it reads the list of installed packages

  3.  for d in $dirs; do

" End quoting.

Am I right ?

Re: How to customize fvwm entries ?

[Evgeny Roubinchtein]

On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, shaul wrote:

>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (shaul) writes:
>> 
>> > My /etc/X11/fvwm2/menudefs.hook has the following entry for lyx:
>> > 
>> > [23:36:37 shaul]$ grep lyx /etc/X11/fvwm2/menudefs.hook 
>> > + "&lyx" Exec/usr/X11R6/bin/lyx
>> > [23:38:51 shaul]
>> > 
>> > I want to change it to 
>> > 
>> >+ "&lyx" Exec /usr/X11R6/bin/lyx -width 631 -height 461
>> 
>> To change it for all users:
>> 
>> $ su
>> Password:
>> # cp /usr/lib/menu/lyx /etc/menu/
>> # edit /etc/menu/lyx
>>  [ Make the change. ]
>> # update-menus
>> # ^D
>> $ 
>> 
>Thank you. How a user can set it for himself ? (It seems to me that menu 
>offers a way to do it, only I couldn't understand how)

I experimented a bit with customizing .fvwm2 , and it seems the following
should work (it worked for xemacs package).

* first, find out which package lyx is installed in, e.g.
dpkg -S lyx | cut -f1 -d: | sort -u

should give you a pretty good clue.

let's assume, for the sake of example the package is called lyx-10-3
that's what I use from now on. If yours isn't called that, substitute
what the pacakge is really called on your system for lyx-10-3.

You just want to place a new entry in the same location in the menu, but
with a different command line, right?, so

mkdir ~/.menu # if you don't already have one
YOUR_FAVORITE_EDITOR ~/.menu/lyx-10-3 # note the name of the file is the
  # is the same as the name of the
  # package we determined in previous
  # step

somethink like this should go in the ~/.menu/lyx-10-3
(I may have some unnecessary stuff in here, so if someone can correct me,
I'll be glad)

?package(lyx-10-3):\
command="/usr/X11R6/bin/lyx -width 631 -height 461" \ 
needs="X11"\
section="Apps/Editors"\
title="lyx"

,or maybe you don't want it placed under Apps/Editors, then you would
change the section also, you can make a new section, just by taking the
name at the end, e.g: section="Apps/Editors/My-Favorite" (don't know if
spaces are OK -- wouldn't hurt to try though), or section="Apps/WP" -- you
get the idea.

If you wanted it placed on the "root" applications menu, rather than in
one of the sections, the easiest way I found was to leave the file
.menu/lyx-10-3 empty, (e.g, just echo -n >~/.menu/lyx-10-3) and to make a
file ~/.fvwm2/main-menu.hook (if you want the entry placed after the
"main" entries but before the "Exit" option), or
~/.fvwm2/main-menu-pre.hook, if you want the entry placed at the top of
the root menu.  in eithe case, the line should be what the
/usr/doc/fvwm2/README.sysrc calls a "menu continuation line", e.g
something like

+ "+lyx"  Exec /usr/X11R6/bin/lyx -width 631 -height 461

At first I thought the configuration of fvwm2 was really inflexible, but
after reading the docs for menu and the /usr/doc/fvwm2/README.sysrc, I
start to realize how I can produce just the right mix of system-defined
settings and my own goodies. 

-- 
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...  
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Re: How to customize fvwm entries ?

[Carey Evans]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (shaul) writes:

> Thank you. How a user can set it for himself ? (It seems to me that menu 
> offers a way to do it, only I couldn't understand how)

He can put it in ~/.menu/lyx and run update-menus himself, which will
create all the files for just that account.  However, I don't think
anything will get changed automatically for that user when new
packages are installled.

-- 
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"Is there anyone who actually believes that USAicans are so modest or
intellectually honest as to be unable to find someone to sue?" - Cameron Laird

Re: How to customize fvwm entries ?

[shaul]

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (shaul) writes:
> 
> > My /etc/X11/fvwm2/menudefs.hook has the following entry for lyx:
> > 
> > [23:36:37 shaul]$ grep lyx /etc/X11/fvwm2/menudefs.hook 
> > + "&lyx" Exec/usr/X11R6/bin/lyx
> > [23:38:51 shaul]
> > 
> > I want to change it to 
> > 
> > + "&lyx" Exec /usr/X11R6/bin/lyx -width 631 -height 461
> 
> To change it for all users:
> 
> $ su
> Password:
> # cp /usr/lib/menu/lyx /etc/menu/
> # edit /etc/menu/lyx
>   [ Make the change. ]
> # update-menus
> # ^D
> $ 
> 
Thank you. How a user can set it for himself ? (It seems to me that menu 
offers a way to do it, only I couldn't understand how)

Re: How to customize fvwm entries ?

[Carey Evans]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (shaul) writes:

> My /etc/X11/fvwm2/menudefs.hook has the following entry for lyx:
> 
> [23:36:37 shaul]$ grep lyx /etc/X11/fvwm2/menudefs.hook 
> + "&lyx" Exec/usr/X11R6/bin/lyx
> [23:38:51 shaul]
> 
> I want to change it to 
> 
>   + "&lyx" Exec /usr/X11R6/bin/lyx -width 631 -height 461

To change it for all users:

$ su
Password:
# cp /usr/lib/menu/lyx /etc/menu/
# edit /etc/menu/lyx
[ Make the change. ]
# update-menus
# ^D
$ 

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intellectually honest as to be unable to find someone to sue?" - Cameron Laird

How to customize fvwm entries ?

[shaul]

My /etc/X11/fvwm2/menudefs.hook has the following entry for lyx:

[23:36:37 shaul]$ grep lyx /etc/X11/fvwm2/menudefs.hook 
+ "&lyx" Exec/usr/X11R6/bin/lyx
[23:38:51 shaul]

I want to change it to 

+ "&lyx" Exec /usr/X11R6/bin/lyx -width 631 -height 461

I tried to create a ~fvwm2/post.hook with that line. Which works.
But now my menu has to entries for lyx. The first one is the old entry, the 
one without the -width customization. And the second one is what I added.

How to get rid of / modify the original entry ?

Thank you.

Re: FVWM - Not all modules included?

[Martin Bialasinski]

>> "MP" == Moore, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

MP> It provides a window into which you can type Fvwm configuration
MP> commands. I use it for testing out the effect of commands (Style "Xterm"
MP> Sticky) without needing to edit the config file and restart every time.

Isn't this FvwmTalk?

   The FvwmTalk allows the user to type fvwm commands into  a
   window, and have them executed immediately. These commands
   are usually specfified in the .fvwmrc file, or  are  bound
   to  menu/mouse items as specified in that file. This tools
   is  particularly  useful  for  testing  new  configuration
   ideas, or for implementing temporary changes to your envi­
   ronment.

MP> BTW, I just noticed that FvwmWharf is *also* in extras. I was also
MP> planning on using that, for its "Folders" (expanding buttons). Looks
MP> like I need to do some building of my own. Maybe I also need to consider
MP> registering as a developer, to package these up. In at the deep end :-(

Contact the fvwm2-plus maintainer. His package is fvwm2 with some
non-standard modules and patches. Maybe he could include them.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ciao,
Martin

RE: FVWM - Not all modules included?

[Moore, Paul]

>From:
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> "MP" == Moore, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>MP> Have I missed something, or is FvwmConsole not included in the debian
>MP> package?
>
>I don't know this module. What does it do? How does it look like?
>Perhaps it is not a official part of fvwm2 and Suse just included it.
>
>Maybe you are just looking for the FvwmTalk module?

It provides a window into which you can type Fvwm configuration
commands. I use it for testing out the effect of commands (Style "Xterm"
Sticky) without needing to edit the config file and restart every time.

I saw something which gave me the impression it's in some sort of
"extras" directory in the fvwm source, but I only have the binary so I
can't check.

[Hmm, I just recalled that Debian 2.0 sources CD I had somewhere, check
on that - yes, it's in Fvwm2/extras/FvwmConsole/*. So I guess the real
question is, if I install the sources and compile this module myself,
where should I put it? I don't want to interfere with dpkg's handling of
the fvwm2 package, but I do want to keep my disk structure sensible...
Is there (or should there be) a fvwm2_extras package? I couldn't find
one...]

BTW, I just noticed that FvwmWharf is *also* in extras. I was also
planning on using that, for its "Folders" (expanding buttons). Looks
like I need to do some building of my own. Maybe I also need to consider
registering as a developer, to package these up. In at the deep end :-(

Paul.

Re: FVWM - Not all modules included?

[Martin Bialasinski]

>> "MP" == Moore, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

MP> Have I missed something, or is FvwmConsole not included in the debian
MP> package?

I don't know this module. What does it do? How does it look like?
Perhaps it is not a official part of fvwm2 and Suse just included it.

Maybe you are just looking for the FvwmTalk module?

Ciao,
Martin

FVWM - Not all modules included?

[Moore, Paul]

I've just got FVWM2 set up and running on my Debian 2.0 system. I wanted
to play with some options, and I looked for the FvwmConsole module which
comes with Fvwm2 (at least it did on my previous SuSE setup). But it
doesn't seem to be included...

Have I missed something, or is FvwmConsole not included in the debian
package?

Assuming it isn't, how do I add it?

Thanks,
Paul Moore

Re: moving fvwm windows by thier "handles"

[Keith Beattie]

the lone gunman wrote:

> Now, the handles resize the window.  For instance, if I display an
> image under xv that is big enough to push the title bar off the
> screen, I really can't move the window.  I would like to go back to my
> old setup, but I do not know which fvwm2 command to use in the config
> file.
> 
> Anyone know what I need?
> 

A modification of your ~/.xmodmaprc and ~/.fvwmrc file to allow
another means to move and/or resize windows.

What I do is move and resize windows by mouse 1 and mouse 3
(respectfully) pressed *anywhere* in a window, with a modifier key
pressed.  This I find to be much faster and much easier on my right
wrist because I don't have to "find" the handles with the mouse.  It
is also a good use of the extra "windows" keys on those curved
"natural" keyboards under X.

What I did was something like the following: (I don't have access to
my Linux machine at the moment so double check all this.)

Add and entry to your ~/.xmodmaprc file to change a (spare) key to be
a mod 4 (or some other modifier which won't conflict with
applications). I can't recall exactly what those commands are but I
figured it out playing with xkeycaps.  I have my ~/.xinitrc source my
~/.xmodmaprc file i.e.

# Set up my keyboard for a control key on the right and a mouse
# modfier key...
if [ -f $HOME/.xmodmaprc ]; then
  xmodmap $HOME/.xmodmaprc
fi

Then modify your ~/.fvwmrc to give meaning to the new modifier key and
mouse buttons being pressed at the same time.  (I do have these settings
because I use FVWM on Solaris at work):

# Window movement and resizing
# Button Context Modifi Function
Mouse 1  FSTW4  Move
Mouse 2  FSTW4  Maximize 0 100
Mouse 3  FSTW4  Resize

I like tall windows so I use mouse 2 for instant max height.

There could be better/other ways to accomplish this, but it works for
me (I'm open to suggestions).  I've actually seen twm configurations
to have no window decorations at all using this idea (where I stole it
from...).  Personally, I think that no decorations is a little extreme
but this ability alone is enough reason for me to prefer X-windows as
a GUI.

HTH,
Keith

Re: moving fvwm windows by thier "handles"

[David Stern]

On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:59:33 CDT, the lone gunman wrote:
> As per my Debian 1.3 fvwm2 configuration, I could move windows by
> clicking and holding on any part of the border and title.  That is, I
> could click and hold on the "handles" that surround a window, or the
> title bar and move my window around.  I could only resize the window
> by explicit command or by those smallish "L" shaped corners on the
> windows.
> 
> Now, the handles resize the window.  For instance, if I display an
> image under xv that is big enough to push the title bar off the
> screen, I really can't move the window.  I would like to go back to my
> old setup, but I do not know which fvwm2 command to use in the config
> file.
> 
> Anyone know what I need?
> 
> Thank you!

Use the pager!  Just drag your mondo-sized image on the pager whereever 
you like.  That's what I ordinarily do when I'm editing an image larger 
than my desktop.  Another option is to have a larger virtual desktop, 
although I don't much like that (this is done in your 
/etc/X11/XF86Config, man XF86Config).

I thought resizing was the intended use of handles, which is why 
they're located on portions of the frame where it would make sense to 
resize; I've always moved frames using titlebars, as long as they're 
visible.  OTOH, I don't use fvwm (unless the only alternative is KDE; 
heh, heh!)

It sounds like your window manager desktop preferences have changed 
with your new package, perhaps options regarding what happens on the 
edge of your desktop; I don't recall any border or handle preferences.  
I've never experienced the behavior you're describing, but I recall 
there being some kind of a new configuration file scheme for fvwm 
derivatives, so perhaps you can specify your old config file (man fv..).

You might also consider one of the fvwm configuration utilities, if 
they have that for bo, either the "dotfile" package(s) or I think I saw 
a new fvwm configuration utility the other day in slink..I know you 
have bo but you might want to have a look at it anyway.

If you're having bug-like behavior, try re-installing; I've had a 
couple rare instances where upgrades caused titlebars and borders 
(hence handles) to disappear, or make all frames immovable.  It doesn't 
sound like this is what you're experiencing, however.

-- 

moving fvwm windows by thier "handles"

[the lone gunman]

As per my Debian 1.3 fvwm2 configuration, I could move windows by
clicking and holding on any part of the border and title.  That is, I
could click and hold on the "handles" that surround a window, or the
title bar and move my window around.  I could only resize the window
by explicit command or by those smallish "L" shaped corners on the
windows.

Now, the handles resize the window.  For instance, if I display an
image under xv that is big enough to push the title bar off the
screen, I really can't move the window.  I would like to go back to my
old setup, but I do not know which fvwm2 command to use in the config
file.

Anyone know what I need?

Thank you!

Re: fvwm window "shadows" don't move...

[Edward Betts]

On Thu, 28 May, 1998, Adrian Bridgett wrote:

> You probably just have XORvalue set to a bad value, try adding this to
> ~/.fvwm2rc:
> 
> XORvalue 16777215

Wow, I have had that problem since the beginning of the year, thanks for
giving the solution.

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Re: fvwm window "shadows" don't move...

[Adrian Bridgett]

On Thu, May 28, 1998 at 11:19:02AM -0500, the lone gunman wrote:
> Hello:
> 
> I just installed Debian/GNU 1.3.1, I've got pretty much everything
> going as I want it.
> 
> On problem, though, is as follows:
>   I'm using fvwm2 as a window manager under XFree86.  When I
> click and hold the left mouse button on a window "handle" or title
> bar, and move the mouse the window stays in place, and only the
> crosshair moves, which makes it hard to determine where the window
> will actually land.  I copied my old fvwm2rc and XF86Config files from
> my old slackware system, and on that setup, when I moved a window, the
> border of the window would move around with the crosshair, so I could
> get a better feel for where the window would land.
>   Basically, I'd like to have that border back, because it's
> kinda hard to judge where a window will land with just the crosshair.
> Even better, I'd like to have the entire window move with the
> crosshair, but either way is okay.
>   Anybody know how I can get this feature to work?

You probably just have XORvalue set to a bad value, try adding this to
~/.fvwm2rc:

XORvalue 16777215


> Thanks in advance,
> Eagerly awaiting Debian 2.0,

As are we all :-)

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Re: fvwm window "shadows" don't move...

[Christopher Judd]

> Hello:

> ...
> 
> On problem, though, is as follows:
>   I'm using fvwm2 as a window manager under XFree86.  When I
> click and hold the left mouse button on a window "handle" or title
> bar, and move the mouse the window stays in place, and only the
> crosshair moves, which makes it hard to determine where the window
> will actually land.  I copied my old fvwm2rc and XF86Config files from
> my old slackware system, and on that setup, when I moved a window, the
> border of the window would move around with the crosshair, so I could
> get a better feel for where the window would land.

 I use fvwm2 on a (still bo) system at work.  If the Xserver
(s3virge) is running in 8 bpp the border moves with the cursor; in 
16 bpp it doesn't.  I haven't had the time to investigate it further.
Is this a limitation of the server, or a configuration problem?

-Chris 

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Re: fvwm window "shadows" don't move...

[Lee Bradshaw]

On Thu, May 28, 1998 at 11:19:02AM -0500, the lone gunman wrote:
> On problem, though, is as follows:
>   I'm using fvwm2 as a window manager under XFree86.  When I
> click and hold the left mouse button on a window "handle" or title
> bar, and move the mouse the window stays in place, and only the
> crosshair moves, which makes it hard to determine where the window
> will actually land.  I copied my old fvwm2rc and XF86Config files from

In your .fvwm2/post.hook add:

  OpaqueMoveSize 100
  XORvalue 255

Any window up to 100% of the total screen area will be moved opaquely. I
don't know what happens when you move a window larger than the screen.
XORvalue is used when resizing the windows with the rubber bands.

I'm actually using the debian .fvwm2 hooks, if you aren't, I think you
can add it to your .fvwm2rc.

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Re: fvwm window "shadows" don't move...

[Martin Bialasinski]

> "tlg" == the lone gunman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Hi lone (or is your name "gunman", or maybe "the"),

we tend to use our real names here.

tlg> I'm using fvwm2 as a window manager under XFree86.  When I
tlg> click and hold the left mouse button on a window "handle" or title
tlg> bar, and move the mouse the window stays in place, and only the
tlg> crosshair moves, which makes it hard to determine where the window
[...]
tlg> Basically, I'd like to have that border back, because it's
tlg> kinda hard to judge where a window will land with just the crosshair.
tlg> Even better, I'd like to have the entire window move with the
tlg> crosshair, but either way is okay.

Edit your /etc/X11/fvwm2/system.fvwm2rc and insert

# Make the outline of windows apear on move with all colordepths
XORValue 255

# Maximum size window (in %) with which opaque window movement 
# should be used
OpaqueMoveSize 30

Check "man fvwm2" for more infos about these options.

Ciao,
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fvwm window "shadows" don't move...

[the lone gunman]

Hello:

I just installed Debian/GNU 1.3.1, I've got pretty much everything
going as I want it.

On problem, though, is as follows:
I'm using fvwm2 as a window manager under XFree86.  When I
click and hold the left mouse button on a window "handle" or title
bar, and move the mouse the window stays in place, and only the
crosshair moves, which makes it hard to determine where the window
will actually land.  I copied my old fvwm2rc and XF86Config files from
my old slackware system, and on that setup, when I moved a window, the
border of the window would move around with the crosshair, so I could
get a better feel for where the window would land.
Basically, I'd like to have that border back, because it's
kinda hard to judge where a window will land with just the crosshair.
Even better, I'd like to have the entire window move with the
crosshair, but either way is okay.
Anybody know how I can get this feature to work?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: Some Questions about KDE / Whereis / FVWM

[Marlon]

>3.) KDE
>I cant install it !
>When I use DBPK than some Libraries are not found, wrong 
>version-nomber (QT !!! , LIBGIF !!)
>When I try to install qt 1.32 by Hand with RPM than RPM tells me,
>that he needs /bin/sh , but /bin/sh is there 

I had the same trouble with the debian packages, then I 
attempted to install the binaries and that went very smoothly.
just unpack and set env variables.
good luck.  -marlon-


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Re: Some Questions about KDE / Whereis / FVWM

[Rick Macdonald]

Stefan Kunkel wrote:

> 1.)
> When I am using Whereis , is it possible to see more than one
> result ??? Searching for a file is not so good, if i ONly see the
> first !!!

Try the "locate" command.

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Some Questions about KDE / Whereis / FVWM

[Stefan Kunkel]

Hi
I am using Debian 1.3.1 Release 6.
I tried ti install it on the last weekend, and it works...
okay... some questions are open:

1.)
When I am using Whereis , is it possible to see more than one
result ??? Searching for a file is not so good, if i ONly see the 
first !!!

2.) 
FVWM: Nive , but how can i remove the virtual Desktop ??
I tried to chance the VirtualDesktop 5X2 Line in 1X1
(File: system.fvwmrc), bu nothing changes 

3.) KDE
I cant install it !
When I use DBPK than some Libraries are not found, wrong 
version-nomber (QT !!! , LIBGIF !!)
When I try to install qt 1.32 by Hand with RPM than RPM tells me,
that he needs /bin/sh , but /bin/sh is there 

Thanx
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FvwmWinList in hamm-fvwm

[Marc Meier]

After installing a hamm.system my fvwm configuration no longer works as
expected
FvwmWinListFocusFore/Back has no effect and the icon text is left
justified instead of centered as default.

Not a huge problem but it works with fvwm 2.0.45-BETA-4 in bo.


Marc


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Re: Desktop: colours and fvwm

[Oliver Elphick]

"Tristan Day" wrote:
  >fvwm95 won't work. It says it's installed but nothing happens and ovwm comes
  >up instead. If I uninstalled ovwm would fvwm95 take its place? I've
  >installed fvwm95, fvwm-common and fvwm2.
  
Edit /etc/X11/window-managers.

The first (runnable) program listed gets run unless your personal default
overrides it.

  >Also, how do you change the colours for the desktop and for the windows (eg
  >title bar) ? My colours are distinctly distasteful, but can't seem to change
  >them. xcolors doesn't do anything.

Assuming you are running fvwm2, look into its documentation and change its
configuration files.  The most likely place to put your own preferences is
in /etc/X11/fvwm2/post.hook and /etc/X11/fvwm2/background.color


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Re: Desktop: colours and fvwm

[Frank Barknecht]

Tristan Day hat gesagt: // Tristan Day wrote:

> fvwm95 won't work. It says it's installed but nothing happens and ovwm comes
> up instead. If I uninstalled ovwm would fvwm95 take its place? I've
> installed fvwm95, fvwm-common and fvwm2.

Take a look in inside the file /etc/X11/window-managers.
Make sure that fvwm95 or fvwm95-2 is at the first position on the 
list. (I don't have fvwm95 installed so I don't know the exact name of the 
binary)
e.g.

# /etc/X11/window-managers 
# This file contains a list of available window managers. The default
# Xsession file will start the first window manager that it can
# in this list.
/usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm95-2

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Re: Desktop: colours and fvwm

[David Z. Maze]

Tristan Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Tristan> fvwm95 won't work. It says it's installed but nothing happens
Tristan> and ovwm comes up instead. If I uninstalled ovwm would fvwm95
Tristan> take its place? I've installed fvwm95, fvwm-common and fvwm2.

Look at /etc/X11/window-managers.  Uninstalling ovwm should make some
other window manager come up as the default (though this might be
fvwm2 instead of fvwm95).

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Desktop: colours and fvwm

[Tristan Day]

fvwm95 won't work. It says it's installed but nothing happens and ovwm comes
up instead. If I uninstalled ovwm would fvwm95 take its place? I've
installed fvwm95, fvwm-common and fvwm2.

Also, how do you change the colours for the desktop and for the windows (eg
title bar) ? My colours are distinctly distasteful, but can't seem to change
them. xcolors doesn't do anything.




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Re: pstree in fvwm* menus

[Mirek Kwasniak]

On Fri, Apr 03, 1998 at 09:00:33AM -0500, Ossama Othman wrote:
(..)
> However, it is possible that the pstree will be longer then the number of
> lines in an xterm of default size (24 lines).  What then?  We can always
> increase the size of the xterm but that wouldn't be a solution since there
> is still the potential to overrun the number of lines in the xterm if
> there are many processes.

You can do:

(while true; do pstree; sleep 5; done) &> pstree.tmp& tail -f pstree.tmp|less

Mirek


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Re: pstree in fvwm* menus

[Scott Ellis]

On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Ossama Othman wrote:

> Hi Greg,
> 
> > I'd suggest to run `watch -n 10 pstree' in the xterm...
> 
> I like that solution!  I didn't know about the "watch" command.  However,
> it is possible that the pstree will be longer then the number of lines in
> an xterm of default size (24 lines).  What then?  We can always increase
> the size of the xterm but that wouldn't be a solution since there is still
> the potential to overrun the number of lines in the xterm if there are
> many processes.

Watch cuts off the tail of the display if it is longer than the screen.

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Re: pstree in fvwm* menus

[Ossama Othman]

Hi Greg,

> I'd suggest to run `watch -n 10 pstree' in the xterm...

I like that solution!  I didn't know about the "watch" command.  However,
it is possible that the pstree will be longer then the number of lines in
an xterm of default size (24 lines).  What then?  We can always increase
the size of the xterm but that wouldn't be a solution since there is still
the potential to overrun the number of lines in the xterm if there are
many processes.

-Ossama


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Re: pstree in fvwm* menus

[Gergely Madarasz]

On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Ossama Othman wrote:

> Since pstree exits as soon as it has printed the process tree, is there
> any point to having fvwm* start up an xterm that will close very soon
> after it is opened?  For example, I can never see the outout of pstree
> when running it from the fvwm* menus since the xterm it opens up just
> closes too fast.  I guess this wouldn't be an issue if pstree would
> persistently track processes like top does.

I'd suggest to run `watch -n 10 pstree' in the xterm...

Greg

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Re: pstree in fvwm* menus

[Jean Pierre LeJacq]

On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Ossama Othman wrote:

> Since pstree exits as soon as it has printed the process tree, is there
> any point to having fvwm* start up an xterm that will close very soon
> after it is opened?  For example, I can never see the outout of pstree
> when running it from the fvwm* menus since the xterm it opens up just
> closes too fast.  I guess this wouldn't be an issue if pstree would
> persistently track processes like top does.

I have pstree pipe into less.  This keeps the xterm up as long as you
like.

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pstree in fvwm* menus

[Ossama Othman]

Hi,

Since pstree exits as soon as it has printed the process tree, is there
any point to having fvwm* start up an xterm that will close very soon
after it is opened?  For example, I can never see the outout of pstree
when running it from the fvwm* menus since the xterm it opens up just
closes too fast.  I guess this wouldn't be an issue if pstree would
persistently track processes like top does.

I'm just nitpicking.  This really isn't a big deal.  :)

-Ossama

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Re: fvwm question: can I make transients take focus?

[Austin Donnelly]

On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Brian White wrote:

> Hmmm...  As long as we're talking about features...  Is there a way to
> cycle through visible windows?  I have a virtual desktop (as opposed to
> multiple desktops) and it would be wonderful if I could cycle between the
> visible windows without cycling to windows off screen (I have Fn keys
> to move between screens).

This should make meta-TAB go to the next non-iconic window on the
current page on the current desk:

Key Tab A   M   Next [!Iconic CurrentPage] Focus


If your _really_ mean "visible" windows, you could say:

Key Tab A   M   Next [!Iconic CurrentPage Visible] Focus

which adds the contraint that the window must also be completely
unobscured by others -- however, I don't think it's so much use (most
of my windows tend to overlap to some extent).

Bear in mind that meta-TAB is a jolly useful key combination in eg:
  bash  - dynamic history completion
  emacs - dabbrev-expand (basically a magic "do the right thing" expansion)

I have it bound to C-TAB, but don't use it much.

Also, remember that if you want to Focus and Raise, you need to write
the minimal FocusRaise function:

AddToFunc "FocusRaise" "I" Focus
+   "I" Raise


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Re: fvwm question: can I make transients take focus?

[Brian White]

> Brian> Perhaps it would be best if the transient only automatically
> Brian> got focus if its parent already had focus?  Perhaps this option
> Brian> could be tri-state: never, always, if-parent-has-focus.
> 
> Couls you see if the Next [*] Focus bound to, say, F12 would
>  solve it for you? I would rather not see the default change.

I wasn't thinking of changing the default.  In the above idea, the
default setting would be "never", which is how it behaves now.

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Re: fvwm question: can I make transients take focus?

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,
>>"Brian" == Brian White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Brian> Perhaps it would be best if the transient only automatically
Brian> got focus if its parent already had focus?  Perhaps this option
Brian> could be tri-state: never, always, if-parent-has-focus.

Couls you see if the Next [*] Focus bound to, say, F12 would
 solve it for you? I would rather not see the default change.

manoj

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Re: fvwm question: can I make transients take focus?

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,

In fvwm2, you can set your key bindings to do something like
 that. 
 Key F10   RAPrev [*] Focus
 Key F11   RANext [*] Focus

Manoj
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  Current [conditions] command
 Performs command on the current window if it satisfies all
 conditions.  Conditions include "Iconic", "!Iconic",
 "Visible", "!Visible", "Sticky", "!Sticky", "Maximized",
 "!Maximized", "Transient", "!Transient", "Raised", "!Raised",
 "CurrentDesk", "CurrentPage", and "CurrentPageAnyDesk".  In
 addition, the condition may include a window name to match
 to.  The window name may include the wildcards * and ?.  The
 window name, icon name, class, and resource will be
 considered when attempting to find a match.  The window name
 can begin with !  which will prevent command if any of the
 window name, icon name, class or resource match.
  Next [conditions] command
 Performs command (typically Focus) on the next window which
 satisfies all conditions.  Conditions are the same as for
 Current with the addition of CirculateHit which overrides
 the CirculateSkip style attribute and CirculateHitIcon which
 overrides the CirculateSkipIcon style attribute for iconified
 windows.
  None [arguments] command
 Performs  command  if no window which satisfies all
 conditions exists.  Conditions are the same as  for
 Next.
  Prev   Performs command (typically Focus) on the  previous
 window  which satisfies all conditions.  Conditions
 are the same as for Next.

   The special symbols $w and $0 through $9 are available in the
   ComplexFunctions or Macros, or whatever you want to call them.
   Within a macro, $w is expanded to the window-id (expressed in hex,
   i.e.  0x10023c) of the window for which the macro was called.  $0
   though $9 are the arguments to the macro, so if you call
Key F10   RAFunction MailFunction xmh "-font fixed"
   and MailFunction is
AddToFunc MailFunction "I" Next [$0] Iconify -1
+  "I" Next [$0] focus
+  "I" None [$0] Exec $0 $1
   Then the last line of the function becomes
+  "I" None [xmh] Exec xmh -font fixed
   The expansion is performed as the function is executed, so you can
   use the same function with all sorts of different arguments.  I
   could use
Key F11   RAFunction MailFunction zmail "-bg pink"
   in the same .fvwm2rc, if I wanted.  An example of using $w is:
AddToFunc PrintFunction "I" Raise
+   "I" Exec xdpr -id $w
   Note that $$ is expanded to $.
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Re: fvwm question: can I make transients take focus?

[Adrian Bridgett]

On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 12:32:10PM -0500, Brian White wrote:
> Perhaps it would be best if the transient only automatically got focus
> if its parent already had focus?  Perhaps this option could be tri-state:
> never, always, if-parent-has-focus.

Great idea!  If this could be a style option then it could be set according
to the program in the window anyway.  Unfortunately a friend has said that
he thought that there were no more bits left for any more style commands.

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Re: fvwm question: can I make transients take focus?

[Keith Beattie]

Brian White wrote:
> 
> Perhaps it would be best if the transient only automatically got focus
> if its parent already had focus?  Perhaps this option could be tri-state:
> never, always, if-parent-has-focus.
 ^^^

This is an excellent idea.  It would solve both our problems.  Perhaps
this could be added to the suggestion to the fvwm maintainers?

Happily identifying myself as an "elly",
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Re: fvwm question: can I make transients take focus?

[Brian White]

> > Is there any way under fvwm2 to make all transient windows automatically get
> > focus when they appear?  It would be much more convienient than having to
> > move the mouse to that window.

Perhaps for you, but for me, it's just the opposite.  I hate touching
the mouse.  When I do a "search" in netscape, for example, a transient
pops up and then I must move the mouse to that window before I can
type anything.  This slows me down immensely.

I don't think this should be something that is always active, but I
would like to be able to enable it.


> The problem is that if this happens *as* I'm typing or clicking a
> mouse button, the new window gets the event and just might disappear
> before I get a chance to read it!  "Hmmm, I hope that wasn't too
> important..."  Who knows what I just denied or agreed to!  Other
> times, applications might be launched and I suddenly find myself in
> the middle of another program with no idea how I got there.  At best,
> the machine just beeps at me several times.

Perhaps it would be best if the transient only automatically got focus
if its parent already had focus?  Perhaps this option could be tri-state:
never, always, if-parent-has-focus.

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