Re: ide-scsi emulation not working
Enrique Samson Jr. wrote: 1) Make a file (I called it cdrw) in /etc/modules that loads proper it's /etc/modutils Yes, you are right. That was a mistake on my part. Apologies. -HS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Kent West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: As I mentioned, the eroaster FAQ and google did not tell me this info; have you got any pointers to documentation that ide-scsi is really deprecated? Check your syslog. The Kernel says it when ide-scsi is loaded. As far as I have heard the ide-scsi driver in kernel 2.6 is not properly maintained at the moment and has some bugs. The new system also has some advantages, like DMA support for block sizes other than 2048 (e.g. audio CDs). best regards Andreas Janssen -- Andreas Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-Key-ID: 0xDC801674 Registered Linux User #267976 http://www.andreas-janssen.de/debian-tipps.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ide-scsi emulation not working
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thus spake Kent West: # I've gotten a new Dell with a cdburner; the burner works fine in WinXP # (yech!), but I can't seem to get it working in Debian. # snip # I'm running sid, with a stock 2.6.3-1-686 kernel. snip # ide_scsi 15236 0 I am not running a 2.6.3 kernel, so I am going only on what I have read on this and other lists. The way I understand it, ide-scsi is unnecessary in all kernels 2.6.0 and later. Use ide-cd only and specify the burner device as /dev/cdrom (or whatever you specify to read the CD in that drive. This will work in cdrecord and should work in any app that is a frontend to cdrecord. Not sure about cdrdao and its frontends though. HTH, PRINCE -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAWE3aAl2SNUPt1I8RAl6MAJ9cs+rEcmX8bxi89ZokSVb6lQHzVgCggmoP 44CCeDb3z0LZAxzsxIEy2Ns= =qd05 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ide-scsi emulation not working
Kent West wrote: I'm running sid, with a stock 2.6.3-1-686 kernel. As someone else has said, using scsi emulation for 2.6.x kernels is deprecated. However, I've tried adding append=hdc=scsi to lilo.conf (and rerunning lilo and rebooting). here you need append=hdc=ide-scsi [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk: ls -l /dev/sg* crw---1 root root 21, 0 2003-12-31 18:31 /dev/sg0 crw---1 root root 21, 1 2003-12-31 18:31 /dev/sg1 I think that /dev/sg* should be group readable; moreover, its group is cdrom and the user should be a member of that group. Then, /dev/cdrom (for example) should point to /dev/sg* hope it helps, cheers, Rodrigo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: ide-scsi emulation not working
On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 09:25:03AM +0100, David Baron wrote: Note that, as is posted on bootup, ide-scsi is deprecated in 2.6 kernels. They recomment ide-cd instead. I am not clear how to make the switch. I am running 2.6.4 and have no problems with cdrecord. I have no experience with any of the frontends for cdrecord. Here is my setup: $ ls -l /dev/cdrom lrwxrwxrwx1 root root3 2003-12-19 20:04 /dev/cdrom - hdd $ cat /etc/fstab # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # file system mount point type options dump pass /dev/hda3 / ext3defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 /dev/hda11 noneswapsw 0 0 proc/proc procdefaults0 0 /dev/fd0/floppy autodefaults,users,noauto 0 0 /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 defaults,ro,users,noauto0 0 $ cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a25 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jörg Schilling NOTE: this version of cdrecord is an inofficial (modified) release of cdrecord and thus may have bugs that are not present in the original version. Please send bug reports and support requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. The original author should not be bothered with problems of this version. scsidev: 'ATAPI' devname: 'ATAPI' scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2 Warning: Using ATA Packet interface. Warning: The related libscg interface code is in pre alpha. Warning: There may be fatal problems. Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'. scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) * 0,1,0 1) 'SAMSUNG ' 'CD-R/RW SW-248F ' 'R604' Removable CD-ROM 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * Here is how I create my multi-session images: $ mkisofs -l -r -C `cdrecord -msinfo -dev=ATAPI:0,1,0` -M ATAPI:0,1,0 -o cd.img tocd/ Burning: $ cdrecord -dev=ATAPI:0,1,0 -multi -vv speed=10 cd.img Have had no problems whatsoever till date. HTH Regards, -- Sridhar M.A. GPG KeyID : F6A35935 Fingerprint: D172 22C4 7CDC D9CD 62B5 55C1 2A69 D5D8 F6A3 5935 I did this 'cause Linux gives me a woody. It doesn't generate revenue. (Dave '-ddt-` Taylor, announcing DOOM for Linux) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: ide-scsi emulation not working
Hello Rodrigo Agerri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Kent West wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk: ls -l /dev/sg* crw---1 root root 21, 0 2003-12-31 18:31 /dev/sg0 crw---1 root root 21, 1 2003-12-31 18:31 /dev/sg1 I think that /dev/sg* should be group readable; moreover, its group is cdrom and the user should be a member of that group. Doing that is a convenient way to get some not-suid applications working (like grip, konqueror's audiocd plugin and some others). However the settings on Kent's system are the default after installation (at least on Woody). best regards Andreas Janssen -- Andreas Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-Key-ID: 0xDC801674 Registered Linux User #267976 http://www.andreas-janssen.de/debian-tipps.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In other words, because experience and documentation tell me to, and I've found no documentation other than what you and Kirk have said that indicate that I should be doing otherwise. From the Linux configuration documentation about ide-scsi: SCSI emulation support (BLK_DEV_IDESCSI) WARNING: ide-scsi is no longer needed for cd writing applications! The 2.6 kernel supports direct writing to ide-cd, which eliminates the need for ide-scsi + the entire scsi stack just for writing a cd. The new method is more efficient in every way. This will provide SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices, and will allow you to use a SCSI device driver instead of a native ATAPI driver. From the linux kernel mailing list: http://programming.linux.com/article.pl?sid=03/12/09/1341236 On 6 Nov 2003, bill davidsen wrote: There is a problem with ide-scsi in 2.6, and rather than fix it someone came up with a patch to cdrecord to allow that application to work properly, and perhaps better in some way. Wrong. The somebody strongly felt that ide-scsi was not just ugly but _evil_, and that the syntax and usage of cdrecord was absolutely stupid. That somebody was me. ide-scsi has always been broken. You should not use it, and indeed there was never any good reason for it existing AT ALL. But because of a broken interface to cdrecord, cdrecord historically only wanted to touch SCSI devices. Ergo, a silly emulation layer that wasn't really worth it. The fact that nobody has bothered to fix ide-scsi seems to be a result of nobody _wanting_ to really fix it. So don't use it. Or if you do use it, send the fixes over. Linus -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John L Fjellstad wrote: Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In other words, because experience and documentation tell me to, and I've found no documentation other than what you and Kirk have said that indicate that I should be doing otherwise. From the Linux configuration documentation about ide-scsi: SCSI emulation support (BLK_DEV_IDESCSI) WARNING: ide-scsi is no longer needed for cd writing applications! The 2.6 kernel supports direct writing to ide-cd, which eliminates the need for ide-scsi + the entire scsi stack just for writing a cd. The new method is more efficient in every way. This will provide SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices, and will allow you to use a SCSI device driver instead of a native ATAPI driver. From the linux kernel mailing list: http://programming.linux.com/article.pl?sid=03/12/09/1341236 On 6 Nov 2003, bill davidsen wrote: There is a problem with ide-scsi in 2.6, and rather than fix it someone came up with a patch to cdrecord to allow that application to work properly, and perhaps better in some way. Wrong. The somebody strongly felt that ide-scsi was not just ugly but _evil_, and that the syntax and usage of cdrecord was absolutely stupid. That somebody was me. ide-scsi has always been broken. You should not use it, and indeed there was never any good reason for it existing AT ALL. But because of a broken interface to cdrecord, cdrecord historically only wanted to touch SCSI devices. Ergo, a silly emulation layer that wasn't really worth it. The fact that nobody has bothered to fix ide-scsi seems to be a result of nobody _wanting_ to really fix it. So don't use it. Or if you do use it, send the fixes over. Linus Ahh, that's the kind of documentation I was looking for (others mentioned things like dmesg, but I haven't had a chance to be on the box in question to look at that). Thanks, everyone! -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 12:12:09AM -0800, John L Fjellstad wrote: From the linux kernel mailing list: http://programming.linux.com/article.pl?sid=03/12/09/1341236 On 6 Nov 2003, bill davidsen wrote: There is a problem with ide-scsi in 2.6, and rather than fix it someone came up with a patch to cdrecord to allow that application to work properly, and perhaps better in some way. Wrong. The somebody strongly felt that ide-scsi was not just ugly but _evil_, and that the syntax and usage of cdrecord was absolutely stupid. That somebody was me. ide-scsi has always been broken. You should not use it, and indeed there was never any good reason for it existing AT ALL. But because of a broken interface to cdrecord, cdrecord historically only wanted to touch SCSI devices. Ergo, a silly emulation layer that wasn't really worth it. The fact that nobody has bothered to fix ide-scsi seems to be a result of nobody _wanting_ to really fix it. So don't use it. Or if you do use it, send the fixes over. Linus FWIW windoze uses an ide-scsi emulation for writing CDs... :-) -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 07:33:58PM +, Pigeon wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 12:12:09AM -0800, John L Fjellstad wrote: From the linux kernel mailing list: http://programming.linux.com/article.pl?sid=03/12/09/1341236 ... The somebody strongly felt that ide-scsi was not just ugly but _evil_, and that the syntax and usage of cdrecord was absolutely stupid. That somebody was me. ide-scsi has always been broken. You should not use it, and indeed there was never any good reason for it existing AT ALL. But because of a broken interface to cdrecord, cdrecord historically only wanted to touch SCSI devices. Ergo, a silly emulation layer that wasn't really worth it. The fact that nobody has bothered to fix ide-scsi seems to be a result of nobody _wanting_ to really fix it. So don't use it. Or if you do use it, send the fixes over. Linus FWIW windoze uses an ide-scsi emulation for writing CDs... :-) Maybe that has some small influence on the above opinion?? .. ;-) Kenward -- In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, because passing civilization along from one generation to the next ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone could have. - Lee Iacocca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Andreas Janssen wrote: Hello Kent West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've gotten a new Dell with a cdburner; the burner works fine in WinXP (yech!), but I can't seem to get it working in Debian. I've found some hints here and there (the eroaster FAQ, google, etc), but the info hasn't helped. I'm running sid, with a stock 2.6.3-1-686 kernel. Then why do you want to use ide-scsi emulation? The kernel and the userspace programs like cdrecord and cdrdao should be new enough to use the writer without the emulation. I use my writer with the ide-cd driver and k3b. All I had to do was to change ownership for /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd from root.disk to root.cdrom. best regards Andreas Janssen on the other hand, i had just tested sarge netinst. it has the default kernel 2.4.25-1-386. ide-cd and ide-scsi modules are loaded by default but cdrecord -scanbus can't detect my cdwriter. xcdroast also needs scsi-emulation for it it said to run properly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 10:38:23AM +0800, Enrique Samson Jr. wrote: ... on the other hand, i had just tested sarge netinst. it has the default kernel 2.4.25-1-386. ide-cd and ide-scsi modules are loaded by default but cdrecord -scanbus can't detect my cdwriter. xcdroast also needs scsi-emulation for it it said to run properly. I haven't seen this whole thread, but have you told the kernel on bootup to assign that to the ide-scsi module? The ide-cd module will grab it first if not told to ignore it... Kenward -- In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, because passing civilization along from one generation to the next ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone could have. - Lee Iacocca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I haven't seen this whole thread, but have you told the kernel on bootup to assign that to the ide-scsi module? The ide-cd module will grab it first if not told to ignore it... on grub: kernel /vmlinuz ro root=/dev/hda5 hdd=ide-scsi i think you meant this line. it didn't work. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Apparently, _Enrique Samson Jr._, on 03/17/04 23:43,typed: I haven't seen this whole thread, but have you told the kernel on bootup to assign that to the ide-scsi module? The ide-cd module will grab it first if not told to ignore it... on grub: kernel /vmlinuz ro root=/dev/hda5 hdd=ide-scsi i think you meant this line. it didn't work. There are other steps needed too: 1) Make a file (I called it cdrw) in /etc/modules that loads proper modules, in my case, I have: $ more cdrw #file created by HS,14Mar2004, to make CD-ROM seen as a SCSI device instead #of as a ATAPI device. # # As suggested in CD Writing HOWTO # # This assumes IDE-CD is a module rather than copmiled into kernel. # options ide-cd ignore=hdd alias scd0 sr_mode pre-install sg modprobe ide-scsi pre-install sr_mod modprobe ide-scsi pre-install ide-scsimodprobe ide-cd 2)run update-modules to make this take effect 3) Make the /etc/modules file look like this: $ cat /etc/modules # /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time. # # This file should contain the names of kernel modules that are # to be loaded at boot time, one per line. Comments begin with # a #, and everything on the line after them are ignored. sr_mod sg ide-cd ide-detect $ 4) Have this line in your grub.conf with ide-scsi=hdd option: kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.24-1-686 root=/dev/hdb5 hdd=ide-scsi ro single where my CD-RW is /dev/hdd, change accordingly. Then of course you should have a mount point, e.g. /cdrw, and a device /dev/cdrw linked to /dev/scd0, and a line in fstab corresponding to this mount point: /dev/cdrw /cdrw autoro,user,noauto 0 0 Also note that /dev/sg* shoudl all be owned root:cdrom and that you should be a member of the cdrom group. Reboot machine and give the command cdrecord -scanbus and you should see your SCSI emulated CD-RW. HTH, -HS -- (Remove all underscores,_if any_, from my email address to get the correct one. Apologies for the inconvenience, but this is to reduce spam.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 12:43:06PM +0800, Enrique Samson Jr. wrote: I haven't seen this whole thread, but have you told the kernel on bootup to assign that to the ide-scsi module? The ide-cd module will grab it first if not told to ignore it... on grub: kernel /vmlinuz ro root=/dev/hda5 hdd=ide-scsi i think you meant this line. it didn't work. So there are no messages on bootup indicating that the drive is detected at all? Kenward -- In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, because passing civilization along from one generation to the next ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone could have. - Lee Iacocca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Incoming from Enrique Samson Jr.: I haven't seen this whole thread, but have you told the kernel on bootup to assign that to the ide-scsi module? The ide-cd module will grab it first if not told to ignore it... on grub: kernel /vmlinuz ro root=/dev/hda5 hdd=ide-scsi . hdd=scsi -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*) http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling - - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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1) Make a file (I called it cdrw) in /etc/modules that loads proper it's /etc/modutils # This assumes IDE-CD is a module rather than copmiled into kernel. # options ide-cd ignore=hdd alias scd0 sr_mode pre-install sg modprobe ide-scsi pre-install sr_mod modprobe ide-scsi pre-install ide-scsimodprobe ide-cd becasue ide-cd grabs the drive before ide-scsi could 2)run update-modules to make this take effect 3) Make the /etc/modules file look like this: $ cat /etc/modules # /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time. # # This file should contain the names of kernel modules that are # to be loaded at boot time, one per line. Comments begin with # a #, and everything on the line after them are ignored. sr_mod sg ide-cd ide-detect $ 4) Have this line in your grub.conf with ide-scsi=hdd option: kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.24-1-686 root=/dev/hdb5 hdd=ide-scsi ro single Reboot machine and give the command cdrecord -scanbus and you should see your SCSI emulated CD-RW. you hit it right:) Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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or that you're allowed to read /dev/sg* ! [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk: ls -l /dev/sg* crw---1 root root 21, 0 2003-12-31 18:31 /dev/sg0 crw---1 root root 21, 1 2003-12-31 18:31 /dev/sg1 Tue Mar 16 15:55:14 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk: ls -l /dev/cd* lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 11 2004-03-16 09:44 /dev/cdrom - /dev/cdrom0 lrwxrwxrwx1 root root8 2004-03-16 09:44 /dev/cdrom0 - /dev/hdc brw-rw1 root cdrom 24, 0 2003-12-31 18:32 /dev/cdu535 Tue Mar 16 15:55:18 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk: ls -l /dev/hdc brw-rw1 root disk 22, 0 2003-12-31 18:31 /dev/hdc When I run sudo xcdroaster, it scans the bus and finds the ATAPI CD Writer, and then later warns me that this is not the recommended way to go and I need to get ide-scsi emulation working. Thanks for any hints! -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I too recently got my CRX216E working, although with 2.4. Forgive me if it's different. I have this in lilo.conf, note the ide- append=hdc=ide-scsi By the looks of your lsmod, ide-cd grabbed the CD-ROM so hopefully this is your problem. I had the ignore in /etc/modules.conf but took it out. It didn't seem to be necessary. Here's my dmesg: hdc: SONY CD-RW CRX216E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive ... hdc: attached ide-scsi driver. scsi2 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices Vendor: SONY Model: CD-RW CRX216ERev: PD01 Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 krb On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 03:56:50PM -0600, Kent West wrote: I've gotten a new Dell with a cdburner; the burner works fine in WinXP (yech!), but I can't seem to get it working in Debian. I've found some hints here and there (the eroaster FAQ, google, etc), but the info hasn't helped. I'm running sid, with a stock 2.6.3-1-686 kernel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 2004-03-16T21:56:50Z, Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've gotten a new Dell with a cdburner; the burner works fine in WinXP (yech!), but I can't seem to get it working in Debian. When I run sudo xcdroaster, it scans the bus and finds the ATAPI CD Writer, and then later warns me that this is not the recommended way to go and I need to get ide-scsi emulation working. ide-scsi is deprecated. The xcdroast warning will probably go away soon. I've been burning CD-Rs using native ATAPI mode with much success, particularly since I can use hdparm to tune the drive (set DMA, etc.) whereas I couldn't when I was using ide-scsi. -- Kirk Strauser In Googlis non est, ergo non est. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Hello Kent West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've gotten a new Dell with a cdburner; the burner works fine in WinXP (yech!), but I can't seem to get it working in Debian. I've found some hints here and there (the eroaster FAQ, google, etc), but the info hasn't helped. I'm running sid, with a stock 2.6.3-1-686 kernel. Then why do you want to use ide-scsi emulation? The kernel and the userspace programs like cdrecord and cdrdao should be new enough to use the writer without the emulation. I use my writer with the ide-cd driver and k3b. All I had to do was to change ownership for /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd from root.disk to root.cdrom. best regards Andreas Janssen -- Andreas Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-Key-ID: 0xDC801674 Registered Linux User #267976 http://www.andreas-janssen.de/debian-tipps.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Andreas Janssen wrote: Hello Kent West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've gotten a new Dell with a cdburner; the burner works fine in WinXP (yech!), but I can't seem to get it working in Debian. I've found some hints here and there (the eroaster FAQ, google, etc), but the info hasn't helped. I'm running sid, with a stock 2.6.3-1-686 kernel. Then why do you want to use ide-scsi emulation? The kernel and the userspace programs like cdrecord and cdrdao should be new enough to use the writer without the emulation. I use my writer with the ide-cd driver and k3b. All I had to do was to change ownership for /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd from root.disk to root.cdrom. Because eroaster won't detect the drive, and xcdroast says that using ATAPI rather than scsi emulation might result in problems, particularly dealing with speed. In other words, because experience and documentation tell me to, and I've found no documentation other than what you and Kirk have said that indicate that I should be doing otherwise. As I mentioned, the eroaster FAQ and google did not tell me this info; have you got any pointers to documentation that ide-scsi is really deprecated? Thanks! -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]