Re: lenny to squeeze dbus-daemon

2011-04-23 Thread Arno Schuring
Stan Hoeppner (s...@hardwarefreak.com on 2011-04-22 13:12 -0500):
 ~$ aptitude why dbus
 i   libdbus-1-3 Recommends dbus
 
 ~$ aptitude why libdbus-1-3
 i   dbus Depends libdbus-1-3 (= 1.0.2)
 
 It appears my only dependency is circular.
Not necessarily. Sadly, aptitude why only discovers one reason, not
*all* reasons. More specifically, it stops its search at the first
non-automatically installed package.

 Aptitude says both are
 optional and not installed automatically.  But, considering dbus was
 not part of my Lenny system, nor Etch before it, it sure seems that
 it was automatically installed by the Squeeze upgrade.
Sadly, a dist-upgrade does not do a good job of keeping automatically
installed packages automatic. Try the following:
# aptitude markauto libdbus-1-3
$ aptitude why dbus

 So, my question stands.  Does (headless) Squeeze need the dbus-daemon
 for something that Lenny did not, or can I safely remove it?
$ aptitude -s purge dbus
should give you that answer.

On my two headless boxes, dbus is not installed, so it is not *always*
required. But like other have said, it really depends on the services
you're running on that box.


Regards,
Arno


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Re: lenny to squeeze dbus-daemon

2011-04-23 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Vi, 22 apr 11, 18:28:23, Camaleón wrote:
 On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:34:26 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
 
  I did my first server upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze the other day and
  dbus-daemon was installed automatically.  
 
 You should have instructed apt to do not install recommended packages by 
 default.

Depending on the box I have two approaches on dealing with Recommends:

1. low disk space
Turn Recommends off, but beware of missing functionality

2. sufficient disk space
Leave Recommends on, but inspect the list of packages to be installed, 
especially when the number of additional packages is more then say 5-10 
to 1. Aptitude interactive mode is great for this ;)

Regards,
Andrei
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lenny to squeeze dbus-daemon

2011-04-22 Thread Stan Hoeppner
I did my first server upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze the other day and
dbus-daemon was installed automatically.  Dbus is strictly for desktops
isn't it?  Is this necessary on a headless server?  Can I safely remove it?

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Re: lenny to squeeze dbus-daemon

2011-04-22 Thread Erwan David
On 22/04/11 19:34, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
 I did my first server upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze the other day and
 dbus-daemon was installed automatically.  Dbus is strictly for desktops
 isn't it?  Is this necessary on a headless server?  Can I safely remove it?
 

aptitude why dbus tells me avahi-daemon depends on dbus. And I use avahi
to publish afp (netatalk) and ssh services...


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Re: lenny to squeeze dbus-daemon

2011-04-22 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Erwan David put forth on 4/22/2011 12:40 PM:
 On 22/04/11 19:34, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
 I did my first server upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze the other day and
 dbus-daemon was installed automatically.  Dbus is strictly for desktops
 isn't it?  Is this necessary on a headless server?  Can I safely remove it?

 
 aptitude why dbus tells me avahi-daemon depends on dbus. And I use avahi
 to publish afp (netatalk) and ssh services...

That doesn't really answer my question.

~$ aptitude why dbus
i   libdbus-1-3 Recommends dbus

~$ aptitude why libdbus-1-3
i   dbus Depends libdbus-1-3 (= 1.0.2)

It appears my only dependency is circular.  Aptitude says both are
optional and not installed automatically.  But, considering dbus was not
part of my Lenny system, nor Etch before it, it sure seems that it was
automatically installed by the Squeeze upgrade.

So, my question stands.  Does (headless) Squeeze need the dbus-daemon
for something that Lenny did not, or can I safely remove it?

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Re: lenny to squeeze dbus-daemon

2011-04-22 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:34:26 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

 I did my first server upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze the other day and
 dbus-daemon was installed automatically.  

You should have instructed apt to do not install recommended packages by 
default.

 Dbus is strictly for desktops isn't it?  Is this necessary on a
 headless server?  Can I safely remove it?

You can remove it whenever not required by any other package/application.

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