Re: newbie fighting with Helix Gnome
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 01:40:47AM +0200, Frank Preut wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:12:09AM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote: At 12:27 AM 4/18/01 -0400, joeytsai wrote: Also, I noticed some other threads referred to ximian for stable; that's certainly a change. I remember when I got Helix Gnome it required woody. that's the stupid part about all this: ximian calls woody unstable on their spidermonkey server, yet it will, as it seems, only work on a stable (potato) system.. tsts.. frank. The naming problems are a result of history. Before there was a testing distribution, woody was the same as unstable. That was when Helix set things up. Probably if they changed things now that would disrupt the people who have their apt sources set up. The ximian site says they support potato and woody.
Re: newbie fighting with Helix Gnome
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:12:09AM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote: At 12:27 AM 4/18/01 -0400, joeytsai wrote: Also, I noticed some other threads referred to ximian for stable; that's certainly a change. I remember when I got Helix Gnome it required woody. that's the stupid part about all this: ximian calls woody unstable on their spidermonkey server, yet it will, as it seems, only work on a stable (potato) system.. tsts.. frank.
Re: newbie fighting with Helix Gnome
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 01:40:47AM +0200, Frank Preut wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:12:09AM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote: At 12:27 AM 4/18/01 -0400, joeytsai wrote: Also, I noticed some other threads referred to ximian for stable; that's certainly a change. I remember when I got Helix Gnome it required woody. that's the stupid part about all this: ximian calls woody unstable on their spidermonkey server, yet it will, as it seems, only work on a stable (potato) system.. tsts.. Kinda makes you wonder if you know what they are doing. Ok, that's an unfair shot :) I thought the ximian packages were fine when I was using potato; now that I'm running sid I removed them; they cause nothing but trouble if you run woody or sid. -- Nathan Norman - Staff Engineer | A good plan today is better Micromuse Ltd. | than a perfect plan tomorrow. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Patton pgpSMKfCv6aSV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: newbie fighting with Helix Gnome
:: Ross Boylan :: Is this a bug with anything, or just an inevitable result of trying to put unlike things (ximian and debian) together? If you are running unstable (sid), you should not be running Ximian's Gnome. Purge their packages (they have ximian or helix in their version) and use Debian's. // joey tsai
Re: newbie fighting with Helix Gnome
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Ross Boylan wrote: I have a similar problem, but slightly different packages: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: libgnomesupport0: Depends: gnome-libs-data (= 1.2.13-4) but 1.2.11-ximian.1 is installed libgnomeui32: Depends: gnome-libs-data (= 1.2.13-4) but 1.2.11-ximian.1 is installed Could anyone explain what is going on? Would apt-get install on the two packages fix things up? When I do it as a trial run it seems to work, though I get a large number of packages it would reconfigure. I upgraded a couple potato systems to woody and then sid and got very similar errors. apt-get dist-upgrade got stuck at a point like this. I finally did apt-get install libgnomesupport0 libgnomeui32 gnome-libs-data (or maybe it was just gnome-libs-data; sorry I'm not sure) which worked, and then I went back to dist-upgrade and continued. I have two more potato systems to upgrade. I think I'll try purging helix stuff first as suggested. ...RickM...
Re: newbie fighting with Helix Gnome
If you are running unstable (sid), you should not be running Ximian's Gnome. Purge their packages (they have ximian or helix in their version) and use Debian's. Since I've been running sid and Ximian's Gnome packages, until I did an apt-get dist-upgrade yesterday, I saw no problems. Then, I ran into a similar problem as the original poster -- there was a debian package newer than the ximian one and it caused a brief headache. Why exactly shouldn't you mix the two ?? Won't ximian normally have newer packages than debian, and therefore avoid a conflict ?? Regards Hall Stevenson
Re: newbie fighting with Helix Gnome
Since I've been running sid and Ximian's Gnome packages, until I did an apt-get dist-upgrade yesterday, I saw no problems. Then, I ran into a similar problem as the original poster -- there was a debian package newer than the ximian one and it caused a brief headache. Why exactly shouldn't you mix the two ?? Won't ximian normally have newer packages than debian, and therefore avoid a conflict ?? You can check previous posts about this subject. Ximian does not support the unstable branch of Debian. Furthermore, their versioniong seems to be inconsistent (or at least troublesome) with the standard Debian package versioning. Finally, the unstable packages are usually more up-to-date. // joey tsai
Re: newbie fighting with Helix Gnome
At 12:27 AM 4/18/01 -0400, joeytsai wrote: :: Ross Boylan :: Is this a bug with anything, or just an inevitable result of trying to put unlike things (ximian and debian) together? If you are running unstable (sid), you should not be running Ximian's Gnome. Purge their packages (they have ximian or helix in their version) and use Debian's. // joey tsai I'm running testing (woody). What's the right move for that? Also, I noticed some other threads referred to ximian for stable; that's certainly a change. I remember when I got Helix Gnome it required woody.
Re: newbie fighting with Helix Gnome
I have a similar problem, but slightly different packages: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: libgnomesupport0: Depends: gnome-libs-data (= 1.2.13-4) but 1.2.11-ximian.1 is installed libgnomeui32: Depends: gnome-libs-data (= 1.2.13-4) but 1.2.11-ximian.1 is installed Could anyone explain what is going on? Would apt-get install on the two packages fix things up? When I do it as a trial run it seems to work, though I get a large number of packages it would reconfigure. Is this a bug with anything, or just an inevitable result of trying to put unlike things (ximian and debian) together?
newbie fighting with Helix Gnome
I'm new to Linux and even newer to Debian. I am running woody, and today (15th) I did an apt-get upgrade that's messed up Gnome. I was running Helix Gnome, although I did plan to remove it and go back to plain Gnome...whatever the update did today it seems to have replaced parts of Helix Gnome with newer standard Gnome components and completely messed up my dependancies. apt-get upgrade failed with the text pasted below:- Unpacking oaf (from .../archives/oaf_0.6.5-5_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/oaf_0.6.5-5_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/oafd', which is also in package liboaf0 dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Preparing to replace gnome-panel-data 1.2.4-helix2 (using .../gnome-panel-data_1.4.0.2-1_all.deb) ... Unpacking replacement gnome-panel-data ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-panel-data_1.4.0.2-1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/gnome/help/panel', which is also in package gnome-help-data Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/oaf_0.6.5-5_i386.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-panel-data_1.4.0.2-1_all.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) I cannot apt-get -f install out of it as that fails with the same error. I thought I would remove helix completely and then reinstall gnome, but apt is telling me I do not have task-helix-gnome installed. I'm at a bit of a loss. Am I right to try and remove then re-install Gnome (I don't want Helix back) and if so, how can I do this. Any suggestions would be very welcome. ThanksSimon. -- Simon Hooper GnuPG 1024D/F3D1353A 64AF 1419 4B67 CE13 E312 7C80 CFB0 9414 F3D1 353A pgpwz6dYID0Iw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: newbie fighting with Helix Gnome
On Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 11:36:52PM +0100, simon wrote: I cannot apt-get -f install out of it as that fails with the same error. I thought I would remove helix completely and then reinstall gnome, but apt is telling me I do not have task-helix-gnome installed. I'm at a bit of a loss. Am I right to try and remove then re-install Gnome (I don't want Helix back) and if so, how can I do this. Any suggestions would be very welcome. purge every gnome package. removing task-* packages does not remove anything. dpkg -l | grep ximian purge everything listed -- apt-get --purge remove blah blah blah dpkg -l | grep helix purge everything listed -- apt-get --purge remove blah blah blah then try a apt-get install task-gnome with your sources.list NOT including ximian/helix. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpZMonbYnU3L.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: newbie fighting with Helix Gnome
On (15/04/01 14:45), Ethan Benson wrote: purge every gnome package. removing task-* packages does not remove anything. dpkg -l | grep ximian purge everything listed -- apt-get --purge remove blah blah blah dpkg -l | grep helix purge everything listed -- apt-get --purge remove blah blah blah then try a apt-get install task-gnome with your sources.list NOT including ximian/helix. I cannot remove any of the packages. Whatever I attempt to remove I just get the following error:- Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: gnome-control-center: Depends: oaf (= 0.6.5) but it is not going to be installed gnome-panel: Depends: gnome-panel-data (= 1.4.0.2-1) but 1.2.4-helix2 is to be installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). Running apt-get -f install just produces the error I posted before. I think I need to do some reading on apt... any help in the mean time would be most welcome :) Simon. -- Simon Hooper GnuPG 1024D/F3D1353A 64AF 1419 4B67 CE13 E312 7C80 CFB0 9414 F3D1 353A pgpM1I4ZNZNhw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: newbie fighting with Helix Gnome
On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 12:14:49AM +0100, Simon wrote: I cannot remove any of the packages. Whatever I attempt to remove I just get the following error:- Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: gnome-control-center: Depends: oaf (= 0.6.5) but it is not going to be installed gnome-panel: Depends: gnome-panel-data (= 1.4.0.2-1) but 1.2.4-helix2 is to be installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). dpkg --purge gnome-control-center gnome-panel then do the rest of the ximian/helix purging as described earlier. also make sure your sources.list do NOT contain ximian or helix sources and run apt-get update. you might want to use dselect to purge these packages, they will be marked as `obsolete' in dselect after removing helix crap from the sources.list and running update. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpvCSedoeYfY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: newbie fighting with Helix Gnome
On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Ethan Benson wrote: dpkg -l | grep ximian purge everything listed -- apt-get --purge remove blah blah blah dpkg -l | grep helix purge everything listed -- apt-get --purge remove blah blah blah Minor point: you might want to make that grep ximi instead of grep ximian, given that helix/ximian version numbers tend to be quite long, and dpkg -l offers no way to specify a field width. I (mostly) eliminated Ximian today, and, yes, there is a package or two that you'll miss with the complete ximian. Sorry to hear that Simon's upgrade messed up. I actually did an apt-get dist-upgrade today, and it was very helpful in purging Ximian. It seems that a bunch of new 1.4 core packages made it into testing today, which upgraded from Ximian reasonably cleanly (it just took a couple of go-arounds with -f to make it work). Then, it was just a matter of manually replacing the rest of the Ximian packages. In most cases, apt-get --purge remove followed by apt-get install did the trick, but, if dependencies got in the way, I downloaded the deb's and dpkg -i'ed them (this would have definately been simplified by a --force-downgrade in apt-get...). Most of those went to equal versions, but a few (mostly the games) seemed to be downgrades. Oh well. I can't personally see much difference between gnome-xbill 1.2 and 1.0 g. As was pointed out in a previous thread, there are some useful gnome and gnome-related packages that have not yet made it into testing. For those packages, I kept the Ximian versions. Those packages include: abiword eog gnome-applets sawfish sawfish-gnome I also kept the necessary Ximian dependancies for those packages: libgnomeprint11 librep9 rep rep-doc rep-gtk rep-gtk-gnome I suppose that it would have been possible to eliminate these 11 packages, and replace them with versions from unstable, but then you start getting into bonobo dependancies...eek! I'm trying to keep my box a fairly clean testing installation, though I have installed a few packages from unstable. It's so hard to resist when it works so easily, but I decided to stay with the devil I know, in this case. So, those Ximian packages stay on, I've got local copies of them, and I no longer have spidermonkey.ximian.com in my sources.list. Oh, I also kept a few of the pretty theme packages that Ximian is so keen on (HeliX is still, by far, my favourite Sawfish theme g): sawfish-themes gtk-themes helix-sweetpill Anyways, it all seems to be working together quite nicely. Hope this helps out any other would-be Ximian-purgers out there. -- David Steinberg -o) Computer Engineering Undergrad, UBC / \ [EMAIL PROTECTED]_\_v
Re: newbie fighting with Helix Gnome
On Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 05:20:16PM -0700, David Steinberg wrote: On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Ethan Benson wrote: dpkg -l | grep ximian purge everything listed -- apt-get --purge remove blah blah blah dpkg -l | grep helix purge everything listed -- apt-get --purge remove blah blah blah Minor point: you might want to make that grep ximi instead of grep ximian, given that helix/ximian version numbers tend to be quite long, and dpkg -l offers no way to specify a field width. this may only affect the woody dpkg but setting COLLUMS (that looks spelled wrong) will adjust this. removing the helix sources, running update then using dselect to purge all the `obsolete/local' packages really is probably the best way. dpkg -i'ed them (this would have definately been simplified by a --force-downgrade in apt-get...). i think apt has a --force-downgrade. As was pointed out in a previous thread, there are some useful gnome and gnome-related packages that have not yet made it into testing. For those packages, I kept the Ximian versions. Those packages include: ximian packages are not binary compatible with debian's so that is not a good idea. better option is to install the missing packages from debian unstable. use of apt's pinning feature can aid this. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpql6b1rp5Ok.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: newbie fighting with Helix Gnome
On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Ethan Benson wrote: this may only affect the woody dpkg but setting COLLUMS (that looks spelled wrong) will adjust this. Very nice! I had no idea. Thanks. Oh, it's COLUMNS. :) i think apt has a --force-downgrade. [EMAIL PROTECTED] dave]$ apt-get --force-downgrade install rep E: Command line option --force-downgrade is not understood [EMAIL PROTECTED] dave]$ apt-get -v apt 0.5.3 for linux i386 compiled on Mar 7 2001 19:25:55 ...maybe on a newer version? ximian packages are not binary compatible with debian's so that is not a good idea. better option is to install the missing packages from debian unstable. use of apt's pinning feature can aid this. Okie dokie. Thanks for the advice. I'll get on it (I'm still keeping my theme packages, though). :) -- David Steinberg -o) Computer Engineering Undergrad, UBC / \ [EMAIL PROTECTED]_\_v
Re: newbie fighting with Helix Gnome
dpkg --purge gnome-control-center gnome-panel then do the rest of the ximian/helix purging as described earlier. also make sure your sources.list do NOT contain ximian or helix sources and run apt-get update. Thanks for your help, that did the trick. I think I'll try Windowmaker now. Simon -- Simon Hooper GnuPG 1024D/F3D1353A 64AF 1419 4B67 CE13 E312 7C80 CFB0 9414 F3D1 353A pgpQKd1kSOClj.pgp Description: PGP signature
