Re: libreoffice conflict with openoffice

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Nov 06, 2022 at 11:52:02AM +0100, local10 wrote:
> Nov 6, 2022, 06:47 by dev@yandex.ru:
> 
> > But if i delete "openoffice.org-unbundled" from libreoffice-common conflict 
> > string  Apache OpenOffice install and work fine!
> >
> >
> > Maybe libreoffice-common not need "openoffice.org-unbundled" in conflict 
> > string?
> >
> 
> 
> Opening a bug at https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ would get you a better chance 
> of drawing devs attention to the issue.
> 
> Just out of curiosity, why do you need both Libreoffice and Openoffice 
> installed?
> 
> Regards,
>

I'd echo the above curiosity: there are lots of reasons why libreoffice is
ahead/more featureful than OpenOffice.

Since Debian doesn't package OpenOffice, I suggest you take it up with the
Apache Openoffice folks as to why their Debian packaging doesn't work with
Debian - they're responsible for their own package. Sadly, I don't think
you'll get a quick response.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater

 

Re: libreoffice conflict with openoffice

[The Wanderer]

On 2022-11-06 at 05:52, local10 wrote:

> Nov 6, 2022, 06:47 by dev@yandex.ru:
> 
>> But if i delete "openoffice.org-unbundled" from libreoffice-common
>> conflict string  Apache OpenOffice install and work fine!
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe libreoffice-common not need "openoffice.org-unbundled" in
>> conflict string?
> 
> Opening a bug at https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ would get you a better
> chance of drawing devs attention to the issue.

FWIW, looking at /usr/share/doc/libreoffice-common/changelog.Debian.gz
and searching for 'unbundled', I find that this conflict was removed at
one point but then re-added back in late 2015, and the reason given for
adding it back in was that the (depended-on) packages
'openoffice*-debian-menus' contained '/usr/bin/soffice', which is
provided as a symlink by libreoffice-common.

It might be worth checking whether this conflicting file path still
exists in the current respective versions of the two package sets. If it
does, the Debian maintainers will almost certainly refuse to remove this
conflict declaration. If it does not, then they'll probably just want to
know what versions of the openoffice* packages do and don't have the
conflicting item.

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Re: libreoffice conflict with openoffice

[local10]

Nov 6, 2022, 06:47 by dev@yandex.ru:

> But if i delete "openoffice.org-unbundled" from libreoffice-common conflict 
> string  Apache OpenOffice install and work fine!
>
>
> Maybe libreoffice-common not need "openoffice.org-unbundled" in conflict 
> string?
>


Opening a bug at https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ would get you a better chance of 
drawing devs attention to the issue.

Just out of curiosity, why do you need both Libreoffice and Openoffice 
installed?

Regards,

libreoffice conflict with openoffice

[dev two]

Package: libreoffice-common
Version: 1:7.0.4-4+deb11u3


Hello!

I can not install lLbreOffice from repo and Apache OpenOffice from 
openoffice.org together

Package "libreoffice-common" conflict with openoffice deb packages

In libreoffice-common package
INFO file (debian/control) conflict string contains "openoffice.org-unbundled"

Conflicts: broffice  openoffice.org-unbundled  python3-uno

And Apache OpenOffice deb provide "openoffice.org-unbundled"


But if i delete "openoffice.org-unbundled" from libreoffice-common conflict 
string  Apache OpenOffice install and work fine!


Maybe libreoffice-common not need "openoffice.org-unbundled" in conflict string?



Thank you

(solved) Re: how to sum a column in openoffice calc

[Li Wei]

I have complete the task using galculator manually
Thanks anyway!
 

On Fri, 9/18/15, David Wright  wrote:

 Subject: Re: how to sum a column in openoffice calc
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Date: Friday, September 18, 2015, 11:06 PM
 
 
 It was suggested in Carl
 Fink's posting
 https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/09/msg00743.html
 that the numbers that you are trying to sum are
 not numbers at all.
 Could you check that out
 and respond. It would help to do this
 immediately after you reach this stage, ie
 after opening the
 excel file in oocalc ...
 
 
 ... and check
 a second time at this stage, ie after pasting into
 the new spreadsheet.
 
 Cheers,
 David.
 
 

Re: how to sum a column in openoffice calc

[David Wright]

Quoting Li Wei (root...@yahoo.com):
> I don't have Excel
> I open the file with oocalc

It was suggested in Carl Fink's posting
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/09/msg00743.html
that the numbers that you are trying to sum are not numbers at all.
Could you check that out and respond. It would help to do this
immediately after you reach this stage, ie after opening the
excel file in oocalc ... 

> sort it and select part of it
> then copy/paste to a new file in oocalc

... and check a second time at this stage, ie after pasting into
the new spreadsheet.

Cheers,
David.

Re: how to sum a column in openoffice calc

[Li Wei]

I don't have Excel
I open the file with oocalc
sort it and select part of it
then copy/paste to a new file in oocalc


On Fri, 9/18/15, Curt  wrote:

 Subject: Re: how to sum a column in openoffice calc
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Date: Friday, September 18, 2015, 8:06 AM
 
 
 I know how you feel.  Have you tried opening the
 Excel file directly in Open Office Calc?
 

Re: how to sum a column in openoffice calc

[Curt]

On 2015-09-17, Li Wei  wrote:

> I have not realized the problem is so difficult
> I'd rather do manual calculation, it's one-time task
> The file is paste from a Excel file

I know how you feel.  Have you tried opening the
Excel file directly in Open Office Calc?

Re: how to sum a column in openoffice calc

[Siard]

Li Wei wrote:
> I have not realized the problem is so difficult
> I'd rather do manual calculation, it's one-time task
> The file is paste from a Excel file

Pasting from an Excel file looks odd to me, I guess it gives
unpredictable results.
Better open the Excel file with LO and paste it from there.

Re: how to sum a column in openoffice calc

[Li Wei]

I have not realized the problem is so difficult
I'd rather do manual calculation, it's one-time task
The file is paste from a Excel file

Thanks anyway!


On Thu, 9/17/15, Siard  wrote:

 
 I can see it now.  N1:N8 do not contain numbers; they
 contain
 alphanumeric strings.  If you select N1, then this is
 what you see in
 the formula bar:  '-755.68
 The apostroph it starts with, shows that this string is
 alphanumeric.
 
 I don't know how you got those numbers there in the first
 place. There
 must be a better way.
 But there is a workaround.  Insert a new column O (next
 to N) and put
 this formula in O1:  =N1+0   (0 = zero)
 In LibreOffice, an addition like this converts the
 alphanumeric string
 into a number.
 Now copy O1 to O2:O8 and you'll see that SUM(O1:O8) in O9
 works.
 

Re: how to sum a column in openoffice calc

[Siard]

Li Wei wrote:
> I have attach the calc file, it's in Chinese, (sorry)
> my question is how to display sum(N1:N8) in cell N9

I can see it now.  N1:N8 do not contain numbers; they contain
alphanumeric strings.  If you select N1, then this is what you see in
the formula bar:  '-755.68
The apostroph it starts with, shows that this string is alphanumeric.

I don't know how you got those numbers there in the first place. There
must be a better way.
But there is a workaround.  Insert a new column O (next to N) and put
this formula in O1:  =N1+0   (0 = zero)
In LibreOffice, an addition like this converts the alphanumeric string
into a number.
Now copy O1 to O2:O8 and you'll see that SUM(O1:O8) in O9 works.

Re: how to sum a column in openoffice calc

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Wed, 2015-09-16 at 14:13 -0700, Li Wei wrote:
> Thanks to all those who reply!
> 
> I have prefix equal sign, but it doesn't work
> I have attach the calc file, it's in Chinese, (sorry)
> my question is how to display sum(N1:N8) in cell N9

Hi,

There are also mailing lists specifically for LibreOffice:
https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/

and also in Chinese:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists#Chinese

You might get faster help there.


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Re: how to sum a column in openoffice calc

[Carl Fink]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 11:27:12PM +0200, Floris wrote:

> What is your decimal separator?
> 
> Go to Tools --> Options --> language Settings --> Languages
> 
> Because when I replace the dots, with a comma the formula
> =SUM(N1:N8) works

Interestingly, on my system the items in those cells are not numbers at all.
They're labels (text) that therefore add up to zero.
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Re: how to sum a column in openoffice calc

[Floris]

Op Wed, 16 Sep 2015 23:13:34 +0200 schreef Li Wei :


Thanks to all those who reply!

I have prefix equal sign, but it doesn't work
I have attach the calc file, it's in Chinese, (sorry)
my question is how to display sum(N1:N8) in cell N9

Thanks!




What is your decimal separator?

Go to Tools --> Options --> language Settings --> Languages

Because when I replace the dots, with a comma the formula
=SUM(N1:N8) works

Success,

floris

Re: how to sum a column in openoffice calc

[Carl Fink]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 03:12:22PM +0200, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-09-16 at 06:02 -0700, Li Wei wrote:
> > I want sum of a column of values
> > I enter "SUM(N1:N8)" in cell N9
> > but can't get cell N9 to display sum
> > 
> > Thanks in advance!!!
> > 
> > PS: I'm in China and can't use google to find answer

Pardon my piggybacking on Sven's message, I don't have the original.

I wonder if Mr. Li may have left out the "=" before his formula?

It should look like:

=SUM(N1:N8)
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Re: how to sum a column in openoffice calc

[Curt]

On 2015-09-16, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 September 2015 16:26:58 Curt wrote:
>> On 2015-09-16, Lars Noodén  wrote:
>> > Wouldn't that be "=SUM(N1:N8)" instead, with an equal sign?
>>
>> That works for me.
>>
>> I just hit that Greek letter (epsilon?).
>
> I don't know the actual thing, but it is much more likely to be upper case 
> sigma, which is the mathematical symbol for "sum".

You are right, it's an uppercase sigma. 
 
> Lisi
>
>


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Re: how to sum a column in openoffice calc

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 16 September 2015 16:26:58 Curt wrote:
> On 2015-09-16, Lars Noodén  wrote:
> > Wouldn't that be "=SUM(N1:N8)" instead, with an equal sign?
>
> That works for me.
>
> I just hit that Greek letter (epsilon?).

I don't know the actual thing, but it is much more likely to be upper case 
sigma, which is the mathematical symbol for "sum".

Lisi

Re: how to sum a column in openoffice calc

[Curt]

On 2015-09-16, Lars Noodén  wrote:
>> 
> Wouldn't that be "=SUM(N1:N8)" instead, with an equal sign?
>

That works for me.

I just hit that Greek letter (epsilon?).

Re: how to sum a column in openoffice calc

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Wed, 2015-09-16 at 06:02 -0700, Li Wei wrote:
> I want sum of a column of values
> I enter "SUM(N1:N8)" in cell N9
> but can't get cell N9 to display sum
> 
> Thanks in advance!!!
> 
> PS: I'm in China and can't use google to find answer

Hi,

See 
https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Calculating_Cell_Totals_in_Tables

The same documentation is available in LibreOffice (press F1) if you
have the libreoffice-help-* package installed.



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Re: how to sum a column in openoffice calc

[Lars Noodén]

On 09/16/2015 04:02 PM, Li Wei wrote:
> I want sum of a column of values
> I enter "SUM(N1:N8)" in cell N9
> but can't get cell N9 to display sum
> 
> Thanks in advance!!!
> 
> PS: I'm in China and can't use google to find answer
> 
> 
Wouldn't that be "=SUM(N1:N8)" instead, with an equal sign?

Regards,
Lars

Re: I have an Openoffice question for small business.

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 11-10-13 16:49, Ezequiel schreef:
> I have done a list off complains in my Oo users. I had worked out almost
> all of them, but there is a really bad issue about file load speed.
> 
> The accountant department have a set of (very) large files which are
> used to calculate salaries to all employees. I already told them that is
> suboptimal in the very best case and dangerous in the worst scenario. In
> Oo any of that set of files loads in 15 sec in average. In Lo it loads
> in about one minute.

Did you try to save it from LO (use another name), and then load it
again? Maybe there's conversion needed from an older format.
Which version of OOo and LO?
How big is the file?
Was LO allready running while opening the file?
Maybe some kind of calculation was started automatically?
Are small files no problem?

> I guess they are right about such load time performance.

Why should it load so much slower?

> I suppose my best shot is to wait until Lo improves.

LO is exactly the same code as OOo, with some improvements.

> In the meantime I talk to them. Sometime we, IT guys, have to do some
> psychoanalyst work. Jah.

True.

> When I have news... I'll let you know.

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.

BTW I did not read the discussion.


> Thanks for all your suggestions and advices
> 
> Zeke
> 
> PD: again. Forgive my English. I like to see my language well used, so I
> understand if you fell I am destroying English with an axe :P
> 
> 
> 2013/10/10 Paul van der Vlis  <mailto:p...@vandervlis.nl>>
> 
> Hi Ezequiel,
> 
> Op 08-10-13 14:10, Ezequiel schreef:
> > Hi all:
> >
> > I am Sysadmin at a small business. We have a complete mail-web-vpn
> > infrastructure and my boss is happy with it. I guess we are a
> successful
> > case of open software use in the "real world"
> 
> I do support for many of such firms.
> 
> > But -of course, there is always an issue- my users keep complaining
> > about OpenOffice migration to Libre Office. They even complain if I
> > change OO from 3.2 to 3.3. I believe there were major changes in that
> > version.
> >
> > The question is: Is there any way of freezing OO version indefinetly?
> 
> Yes there is, but it's not the right way.
> 
> You have to switch to libre office because the security support for
> oldstable will stop after a year after the new release.
> 
> And the security support of the browsers in oldstable is allready
> stopped. Ahum...
> 
> > I am currently using oldstable OO but I guess my time is going short.
> > What will happen when they release the new version of debian?
> 
> Wheezy is already released, maybe I understand something wrong?
> 
> Upgrades to new versions are not automatically, when you have the name
> of the release in your sources.list. So don't use "stable" but e.g.
> "wheezy".
> 
> > I don't know what to do...
> 
> You need to upgrade in the coming time.
> 
> Listen good to your users about the problems they have with it, and find
> solutions for them. Do it slow, and with attention. Maybe you can
> upgrade one PC first, so they can show what the problem is.
> 
> But when they come with nonsense be hard to them...
> 
> With regards,
> Paul van der Vlis.
> 
> 
> > Thanks in advance for any advices.
> >
> > Zeke
> >
> > PD: My native language is not English, I'm sorry for any mistakes
> in my
> > writing.
> >
> > --
> > ¨Como siempre, los ingenieros hicieron un
> > escándalo, aunque terminaron la maniobra
> > en la mitad del tiempo que habían rechazado
> > como imposible¨
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer, Groningen
> http://www.vandervlis.nl
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ¨Como siempre, los ingenieros hicieron un
> escándalo, aunque terminaron la maniobra
> en la mitad del tiempo que habían rechazado
> como imposible¨





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Re: I have an Openoffice question for small business.

[Ezequiel]

I have done a list off complains in my Oo users. I had worked out almost
all of them, but there is a really bad issue about file load speed.

The accountant department have a set of (very) large files which are used
to calculate salaries to all employees. I already told them that is
suboptimal in the very best case and dangerous in the worst scenario.
In Ooany of that set of files loads
in 15 sec in average. In Lo it loads in about one minute.

I guess they are right about such load time performance.
I suppose my best shot is to wait until Lo improves.

In the meantime I talk to them. Sometime we, IT guys, have to do some
psychoanalyst work. Jah.

When I have news... I'll let you know.


Thanks for all your suggestions and advices

Zeke

PD: again. Forgive my English. I like to see my language well used, so I
understand if you fell I am destroying English with an axe :P


2013/10/10 Paul van der Vlis 

> Hi Ezequiel,
>
> Op 08-10-13 14:10, Ezequiel schreef:
> > Hi all:
> >
> > I am Sysadmin at a small business. We have a complete mail-web-vpn
> > infrastructure and my boss is happy with it. I guess we are a successful
> > case of open software use in the "real world"
>
> I do support for many of such firms.
>
> > But -of course, there is always an issue- my users keep complaining
> > about OpenOffice migration to Libre Office. They even complain if I
> > change OO from 3.2 to 3.3. I believe there were major changes in that
> > version.
> >
> > The question is: Is there any way of freezing OO version indefinetly?
>
> Yes there is, but it's not the right way.
>
> You have to switch to libre office because the security support for
> oldstable will stop after a year after the new release.
>
> And the security support of the browsers in oldstable is allready
> stopped. Ahum...
>
> > I am currently using oldstable OO but I guess my time is going short.
> > What will happen when they release the new version of debian?
>
> Wheezy is already released, maybe I understand something wrong?
>
> Upgrades to new versions are not automatically, when you have the name
> of the release in your sources.list. So don't use "stable" but e.g.
> "wheezy".
>
> > I don't know what to do...
>
> You need to upgrade in the coming time.
>
> Listen good to your users about the problems they have with it, and find
> solutions for them. Do it slow, and with attention. Maybe you can
> upgrade one PC first, so they can show what the problem is.
>
> But when they come with nonsense be hard to them...
>
> With regards,
> Paul van der Vlis.
>
>
> > Thanks in advance for any advices.
> >
> > Zeke
> >
> > PD: My native language is not English, I'm sorry for any mistakes in my
> > writing.
> >
> > --
> > ¨Como siempre, los ingenieros hicieron un
> > escándalo, aunque terminaron la maniobra
> > en la mitad del tiempo que habían rechazado
> > como imposible¨
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer, Groningen
> http://www.vandervlis.nl
>



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Re: I have an Openoffice question for small business.

[Paul van der Vlis]

Hi Ezequiel,

Op 08-10-13 14:10, Ezequiel schreef:
> Hi all:
> 
> I am Sysadmin at a small business. We have a complete mail-web-vpn
> infrastructure and my boss is happy with it. I guess we are a successful
> case of open software use in the "real world"

I do support for many of such firms.

> But -of course, there is always an issue- my users keep complaining
> about OpenOffice migration to Libre Office. They even complain if I
> change OO from 3.2 to 3.3. I believe there were major changes in that
> version.
> 
> The question is: Is there any way of freezing OO version indefinetly?

Yes there is, but it's not the right way.

You have to switch to libre office because the security support for
oldstable will stop after a year after the new release.

And the security support of the browsers in oldstable is allready
stopped. Ahum...

> I am currently using oldstable OO but I guess my time is going short.
> What will happen when they release the new version of debian? 

Wheezy is already released, maybe I understand something wrong?

Upgrades to new versions are not automatically, when you have the name
of the release in your sources.list. So don't use "stable" but e.g.
"wheezy".

> I don't know what to do...

You need to upgrade in the coming time.

Listen good to your users about the problems they have with it, and find
solutions for them. Do it slow, and with attention. Maybe you can
upgrade one PC first, so they can show what the problem is.

But when they come with nonsense be hard to them...

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.


> Thanks in advance for any advices.
> 
> Zeke
> 
> PD: My native language is not English, I'm sorry for any mistakes in my
> writing.
> 
> -- 
> ¨Como siempre, los ingenieros hicieron un
> escándalo, aunque terminaron la maniobra
> en la mitad del tiempo que habían rechazado
> como imposible¨





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Re: I have an Openoffice question for small business.

[Joe]

On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:49:57 +0200
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:

> To be honest, I also thought that it was written in Java until
> recently ( well, I think I discovered that in the beginning of the
> year ), but someday I said that on a forum and was instantly replied
> that it was written in C++.
> 

I've always seen some trumpet-blowing about Java when downloading OOo,
and of course it originally came from the creators of Java, so I had
made the assumption. It certainly was (and is) slow to load. According
to Wikipedia:

'Although originally written in C++, OpenOffice.org became increasingly
reliant on the Java Runtime Environment, even including a bundled JVM'

 which accounts for the Java messages.

> 
> About Java's security problems... honestly, the only one thing which 
> makes it true is that it is a popular and traditional language to
> write portable web applets. Like windows being the main target of
> hackers, in fact. I do not like Java, but I have learn that
> performance and security issues are not a programming language's
> problem, but a programmer's problem. 

To a large extent, but this year the Oracle implementation of Java
for Windows was found to have many serious security bugs, so whatever
was written with it would have had those bugs. Only if the programmer
had details of the bugs could he have written around them, and in that
case he would just have updated his Java. By the time bugs become
common knowledge, they [usually] have been fixed.

Here's one report of many:

http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/view/33048/oracle-patches-40-critical-java-flaws/

Have a look at the sidebar stories, also. It is alleged that this
year's large-scale loss of user passwords by Yahoo, as well as exploits
at Google and Microsoft, were carried out via Java bugs.

There are Java alternatives in Linux (and Windows, for that matter),
which certainly won't have most of the vulnerabilities in the Oracle
version, but as far as I'm aware they are a bit less functional, and I
believe some applications require the Oracle product.

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Re: I have an Openoffice question for small business.

[berenger . morel]

Le 10.10.2013 10:24, Joe a écrit :

On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 23:21:29 +0200
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:


Le 09.10.2013 23:04, Joe a écrit :
> On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 12:52:43 -0300
> Ezequiel  wrote:
>
>> Thanks to all for your replies. I am actually pinning OO in order
>> to use oldstable versions. I guess I will try to compile it an
>> make my own repos. You were very helpfull.
>>
>
> Bear in mind that OOo and LO use Java for various purposes, and
> Java is
> under continuous siege from the bad guys.

But Java is not a dependency, it is only recommended. Those tools
works fine without java. I would not even have thought half a minute
to install them otherwise, and not because of security breaches in
java ( which will more often be used via internet browsers, not for
something like an office suite ).




As I said, I'm not a power user of most of LO, perhaps it isn't used
elsewhere, but it's a dependency of Base. Despite this, I had Base
installed without Java, but was unable to do much by way of 
connecting

to data without it.

I have a vague recollection that originally, OOo was written in Java
which years ago was popular for writing cross-platform applications. 
If
so, clearly LO is removing it progressively, and it may disappear 
from

Base at some point. I do know attitude of the US Dept. of Homeland
Security towards Java, and its days anywhere may be numbered.

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Ah, no, I apologize, you were right. Base seems to have a hard 
dependency on Java, so I was really wrong.
I have no idea why it depends on Java, but it is written in C++, as the 
debtags shows, as the rest of Libre/Open Office.


To be honest, I also thought that it was written in Java until recently 
( well, I think I discovered that in the beginning of the year ), but 
someday I said that on a forum and was instantly replied that it was 
written in C++.


About it having be rewritten in C++ instead of Java, I do not know, I 
did not made any searches about that, but I strongly doubt it. C++ is as 
portable as Java ( just it needs to be recompiled and lacks standard 
portable GUI - and other features - that Java provides. But Java's 
standard GUI features are not the most used, as some Java dev said me. 
So... ). Plus, rewritten a huge... a very huge in facts, software in 
another language is really hard, especially if you come from a language 
where memory is managed by some obscure automatic mechanisms to come to 
language for which most of the power comes to RAII.

But my doubts can be wrong ;)

About Java's security problems... honestly, the only one thing which 
makes it true is that it is a popular and traditional language to write 
portable web applets. Like windows being the main target of hackers, in 
fact. I do not like Java, but I have learn that performance and security 
issues are not a programming language's problem, but a programmer's 
problem. Take a look in aptitude, try the games. Some are written in C 
or C++ and are as "beautiful" as 90's games, and they can not be run on 
my modern netbook. On the other side, some Java's one works perfectly. 
Debian really changed my mind on a lot of wrong ideas about computer 
sciences :)



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Re: I have an Openoffice question for small business.

[Joe]

On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 23:21:29 +0200
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:

> Le 09.10.2013 23:04, Joe a écrit :
> > On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 12:52:43 -0300
> > Ezequiel  wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks to all for your replies. I am actually pinning OO in order
> >> to use oldstable versions. I guess I will try to compile it an
> >> make my own repos. You were very helpfull.
> >>
> >
> > Bear in mind that OOo and LO use Java for various purposes, and
> > Java is
> > under continuous siege from the bad guys.
> 
> But Java is not a dependency, it is only recommended. Those tools
> works fine without java. I would not even have thought half a minute
> to install them otherwise, and not because of security breaches in
> java ( which will more often be used via internet browsers, not for
> something like an office suite ).
> 
> 

As I said, I'm not a power user of most of LO, perhaps it isn't used
elsewhere, but it's a dependency of Base. Despite this, I had Base
installed without Java, but was unable to do much by way of connecting
to data without it.

I have a vague recollection that originally, OOo was written in Java
which years ago was popular for writing cross-platform applications. If
so, clearly LO is removing it progressively, and it may disappear from
Base at some point. I do know attitude of the US Dept. of Homeland
Security towards Java, and its days anywhere may be numbered.

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Re: I have an Openoffice question for small business.

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 10/10/13, Ezequiel  wrote:
> Thanks to all for your replies. I am actually pinning OO in order to use
> oldstable versions. I guess I will try to compile it an make my own repos.
> You were very helpfull.
>
> I'm not giving up convincing my users, but I know it's a hopeless fight :P

Never hopeless :)

I suggest this strategy:

Pick your noisest, complaining-est users :)

Do a very short survey (on paper, just go and ask them, write down
their answers) on their important features and past trouble spots.

Learn those things those users need, in the newest version of LO.

Conduct a brief training class for those users, and others who wish to join.

That is - migrate the toughest users first, and the rest will be a
breeze. Recipe for failure: leave the difficult ones to last. The
tough/ challenging cases (technical AND political), are the important
employees you MUST handle first! Satisfy "enough" these tough cases,
and you will satisfy "enough" all.

Good luck :)
Zenaan


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Re: I have an Openoffice question for small business.

[berenger . morel]

Le 09.10.2013 23:04, Joe a écrit :

On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 12:52:43 -0300
Ezequiel  wrote:


Thanks to all for your replies. I am actually pinning OO in order to
use oldstable versions. I guess I will try to compile it an make my
own repos. You were very helpfull.



Bear in mind that OOo and LO use Java for various purposes, and Java 
is

under continuous siege from the bad guys.


But Java is not a dependency, it is only recommended. Those tools works 
fine without java. I would not even have thought half a minute to 
install them otherwise, and not because of security breaches in java ( 
which will more often be used via internet browsers, not for something 
like an office suite ).



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Re: I have an Openoffice question for small business.

[Joe]

On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 12:52:43 -0300
Ezequiel  wrote:

> Thanks to all for your replies. I am actually pinning OO in order to
> use oldstable versions. I guess I will try to compile it an make my
> own repos. You were very helpfull.
>
 
Bear in mind that OOo and LO use Java for various purposes, and Java is
under continuous siege from the bad guys. 

> 
> I'm not giving up convincing my users, but I know it's a hopeless
> fight :P
> 
> It feels good to know I am not alone here...
> 
> 

If they are former users of Microsoft Office, they will know everything
there is to know about new versions being incompatible with old ones,
commands being moved to different menus, and all that kind of stuff.
OOo/LO is certainly no worse.

As always, it will depend on the features used, I hardly notice
differences between versions as I'm not very demanding. But they are
improving quickly, they are still quite buggy and every version
(usually) brings improvements. LibreOffice Base is now just about
usable.

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Re: I have an Openoffice question for small business.

[Ezequiel]

Thanks to all for your replies. I am actually pinning OO in order to use
oldstable versions. I guess I will try to compile it an make my own repos.
You were very helpfull.


I'm not giving up convincing my users, but I know it's a hopeless fight :P

It feels good to know I am not alone here...


Greeting

Zeke


2013/10/8 

> Le 08.10.2013 16:14, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit :
>
>  Le 08.10.2013 14:10, Ezequiel a écrit :
>>
>>> Hi all:
>>>
>>> I am Sysadmin at a small business. We have a complete mail-web-vpn
>>> infrastructure and my boss is happy with it. I guess we are a
>>> successful case of open software use in the "real world"
>>>
>>> But -of course, there is always an issue- my users keep complaining
>>> about OpenOffice migration to Libre Office. They even complain if I
>>> change OO from 3.2 to 3.3. I believe there were major changes in that
>>> version.
>>>
>>> The question is: Is there any way of freezing OO version indefinetly?
>>>
>>> I am currently using oldstable OO but I guess my time is going short.
>>> What will happen when they release the new version of debian? I don't
>>> know what to do...
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any advices.
>>>
>>> Zeke
>>>
>>> PD: My native language is not English, I'm sorry for any mistakes in
>>> my writing.
>>>
>>
>> First, I do want to say that you should follow previous advice to try
>> to convince your users :)
>>
>> But since you did not ask "how to convince my users to upgrade", here
>> is what you might want:
>> Use the /etc/apt/preferences file.
>>
>> I used it some times ago but can not remember the exact syntax, but
>> you should be able to quickly find some samples on debian's forums.
>> Search for apt-pinning (the name of the technique iirc) and you should
>> find nice examples in debian's forums. This technique is more often
>> used to only use some packages from testing/unstable/experimental on
>> stable, but you should be able to adapt it for your needs easily:
>> simply give very low priorities to the packages you want.
>>
>> But you should know that it also means that OO (or LO) dependencies
>> will also need to be frozen, and this might avoid other other updates,
>> in turn. Have fun :)
>>
>
> Sorry for my self reply, but I just thought of that:
> Another solution, not the easiest one but which would avoid freezing
> dependencies, would be download source of OO and compile it ( not on all
> computers of course, only on yours ) and then distributing the binary
> through a package.
> To download source and install libraries needed, you can do something like:
> aptitude build-dep openoffice ( will install development libraries OO will
> need )
> apt-get source openoffice ( will download source code for openoffice )
>
> apt-get source will download an archive with source code, so untar it, and
> then probably do the old "./configure && make".
> Next steps is to build a package, but I can not help you on those, however
> a lot of people here can probably.
> And the last one is to distribute it. For that, you might want to setup a
> local repository, add your OO package in it, and add that repo to the
> sources.list ( or sources.list.d/local_OO.list, if you prefer ) of the
> desktops.
> That procedure is more complex than the one with file preferences, but can
> survive longer without giving you cascading version problems in future.
>
>
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Re: I have an Openoffice question for small business.

[berenger . morel]

Le 08.10.2013 16:14, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit :

Le 08.10.2013 14:10, Ezequiel a écrit :

Hi all:

I am Sysadmin at a small business. We have a complete mail-web-vpn
infrastructure and my boss is happy with it. I guess we are a
successful case of open software use in the "real world"

But -of course, there is always an issue- my users keep complaining
about OpenOffice migration to Libre Office. They even complain if I
change OO from 3.2 to 3.3. I believe there were major changes in 
that

version.

The question is: Is there any way of freezing OO version 
indefinetly?


I am currently using oldstable OO but I guess my time is going 
short.
What will happen when they release the new version of debian? I 
don't

know what to do...

Thanks in advance for any advices.

Zeke

PD: My native language is not English, I'm sorry for any mistakes in
my writing.


First, I do want to say that you should follow previous advice to try
to convince your users :)

But since you did not ask "how to convince my users to upgrade", here
is what you might want:
Use the /etc/apt/preferences file.

I used it some times ago but can not remember the exact syntax, but
you should be able to quickly find some samples on debian's forums.
Search for apt-pinning (the name of the technique iirc) and you 
should

find nice examples in debian's forums. This technique is more often
used to only use some packages from testing/unstable/experimental on
stable, but you should be able to adapt it for your needs easily:
simply give very low priorities to the packages you want.

But you should know that it also means that OO (or LO) dependencies
will also need to be frozen, and this might avoid other other 
updates,

in turn. Have fun :)


Sorry for my self reply, but I just thought of that:
Another solution, not the easiest one but which would avoid freezing 
dependencies, would be download source of OO and compile it ( not on all 
computers of course, only on yours ) and then distributing the binary 
through a package.
To download source and install libraries needed, you can do something 
like:
aptitude build-dep openoffice ( will install development libraries OO 
will need )

apt-get source openoffice ( will download source code for openoffice )

apt-get source will download an archive with source code, so untar it, 
and then probably do the old "./configure && make".
Next steps is to build a package, but I can not help you on those, 
however a lot of people here can probably.
And the last one is to distribute it. For that, you might want to setup 
a local repository, add your OO package in it, and add that repo to the 
sources.list ( or sources.list.d/local_OO.list, if you prefer ) of the 
desktops.
That procedure is more complex than the one with file preferences, but 
can survive longer without giving you cascading version problems in 
future.



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Re: I have an Openoffice question for small business.

[berenger . morel]

Le 08.10.2013 14:10, Ezequiel a écrit :

Hi all:

I am Sysadmin at a small business. We have a complete mail-web-vpn
infrastructure and my boss is happy with it. I guess we are a
successful case of open software use in the "real world"

But -of course, there is always an issue- my users keep complaining
about OpenOffice migration to Libre Office. They even complain if I
change OO from 3.2 to 3.3. I believe there were major changes in that
version.

The question is: Is there any way of freezing OO version indefinetly?

I am currently using oldstable OO but I guess my time is going short.
What will happen when they release the new version of debian? I don't
know what to do...

Thanks in advance for any advices.

Zeke

PD: My native language is not English, I'm sorry for any mistakes in
my writing.


First, I do want to say that you should follow previous advice to try 
to convince your users :)


But since you did not ask "how to convince my users to upgrade", here 
is what you might want:

Use the /etc/apt/preferences file.

I used it some times ago but can not remember the exact syntax, but you 
should be able to quickly find some samples on debian's forums. Search 
for apt-pinning (the name of the technique iirc) and you should find 
nice examples in debian's forums. This technique is more often used to 
only use some packages from testing/unstable/experimental on stable, but 
you should be able to adapt it for your needs easily: simply give very 
low priorities to the packages you want.


But you should know that it also means that OO (or LO) dependencies 
will also need to be frozen, and this might avoid other other updates, 
in turn. Have fun :)



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Re: I have an Openoffice question for small business.

[Luis Bandarra]

Hi,

On 08-10-2013 13:10, Ezequiel wrote:

Hi all:

I am Sysadmin at a small business. We have a complete mail-web-vpn 
infrastructure and my boss is happy with it. I guess we are a 
successful case of open software use in the "real world"


But -of course, there is always an issue- my users keep complaining 
about OpenOffice migration to Libre Office. They even complain if I 
change OO from 3.2 to 3.3. I believe there were major changes in that 
version.


The question is: Is there any way of freezing OO version indefinetly?

I am currently using oldstable OO but I guess my time is going short. 
What will happen when they release the new version of debian? I don't 
know what to do...


Thanks in advance for any advices.


My advice is not the answer to your direct question, someone may help 
more on that!


What i would do is to implement gradually that change, place in one or 
two computers, probably per department, depending on the size of the 
company, and let them see and know the major differences, show how to 
overcome them and see if there is any problems with corporate templates 
and documents. Them following a schedule that the users know, upgrade 
the other computers.


Can't guarantee full satisfaction but might prevent a riot... that's how 
i brought to the "light" some friends to LibreOffice and Linux.


Sincerely hope it helps!


Zeke

PD: My native language is not English, I'm sorry for any mistakes in 
my writing.


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I have an Openoffice question for small business.

[Ezequiel]

Hi all:

I am Sysadmin at a small business. We have a complete
mail-web-vpninfrastructure and my boss is happy with it. I guess we
are a successful
case of open software use in the "real world"

But -of course, there is always an issue- my users keep complaining about
OpenOffice migration to Libre Office. They even complain if I change
OO from3.2 to 3.3. I believe there were major changes in that version.

The question is: Is there any way of freezing OO version indefinetly?

I am currently using oldstable OO but I guess my time is going short. What
will happen when they release the new version of debian? I don't know what
to do...

Thanks in advance for any advices.

Zeke

PD: My native language is not English, I'm sorry for any mistakes in my
writing.

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Re: Spurious letter appears in OpenOffice ...

[George Langford, Sc.D.]

Here's the URL for my OO posting:

http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?p=536651#536651

This may be related to a problem I had years ago with the page
format for a No.10 envelope.  Once I got the working combination
of Landscape/Portrait and other factors in synch between the
printer and OO, from then on I simply copied the new address in
place of a former address in order to print envelopes reliably.

Here's the end result of today's experiment.

First, I deleted everything from the "farmer's axe" envelope template,
and that printed as a blank page.  Then, after much experimentation it
hit me that the second letter of each line was appearing as the extra
letter:

Here's what I typed and what I got (in facsimile):

QWerty ..W QWerty
Qwerty ..w Qwerty
QWerty ..W QWerty
Qwerty ..w Qwerty
QXerty ..X QXerty
Qwerty ..w Qwerty
QXerty ..X QXerty
Qxerty ..x Qxerty
Qwerty ..w Qwerty
Q*erty ..* Q*erty
Qwerty ..w Qwerty
Q*erty ..* Q*erty
Qwerty ..w Qwerty
Q=erty ..= Q=erty
Qwerty ..w Qwerty
Q=erty ..= Q=erty
Qwerty ..w Qwerty

All those spurious letters were partially printed, as though
through a mask that truncates both sides of the character.

A PDF of the first column was exported from OO and printed
a new page like the second column, as does the ODT version.

George Langford


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Re: Spurious letter appears in OpenOffice printed document

[Brian]

On Wed 15 May 2013 at 17:36:33 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:

> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 07:37:36PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 14 May 2013 at 11:03:14 -0400, George Langford, Sc.D. wrote:
> > 
> > > Here's a crossover problem.
> > > 
> > > Document prints with a spurious letter in upper left hand corner of image:
> > 
> > Intriguing!
> > 
> > > 1. On debian PC running squeeze, only since recent apt-get update.
> > 
> > By design Squeeze is stable, so the only updates you would have got
> > would have been related to security.
> 
> There are also point releases, e.g. 6.0.5 ---> 6.0.6

I hadn't forgotten about point releases but it had slipped my mind that,
while they mainly add

  '. . corrections for security problems to the stable release . . ',

there are also 

  '. . a few adjustments for serious problems . . '.

Thanks.



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Re: Spurious letter appears in OpenOffice printed document

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 07:37:36PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 14 May 2013 at 11:03:14 -0400, George Langford, Sc.D. wrote:
> 
> > Here's a crossover problem.
> > 
> > Document prints with a spurious letter in upper left hand corner of image:
> 
> Intriguing!
> 
> > 1. On debian PC running squeeze, only since recent apt-get update.
> 
> By design Squeeze is stable, so the only updates you would have got
> would have been related to security.

There are also point releases, e.g. 6.0.5 ---> 6.0.6

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Re: Spurious letter appears in OpenOffice printed document

[Brian]

On Tue 14 May 2013 at 11:03:14 -0400, George Langford, Sc.D. wrote:

> Here's a crossover problem.
> 
> Document prints with a spurious letter in upper left hand corner of image:

Intriguing!

> 1. On debian PC running squeeze, only since recent apt-get update.

By design Squeeze is stable, so the only updates you would have got
would have been related to security. CUPS, for example, had one a few
months ago but it is very, very unlikely to produce a side effect like
this. Any idea what your recent update pulled in? And how long ago is it
since you updated?

> 2. On WinXPSP3 laptop, the same document prints perfectly with the
> same printer.

A different OS, A different printing system.

> Prints the extra letter whether on a No.10 envelope or on 8-1/2x11
> letter paper.
> Letter is always uppercase, but not always the same letter. Always same place.
> 
> Document looks perfect on both 'puters. Also prints the extra letter
> if I convert to PDF and print that from Document Viewer. Document is
> several years old and never printed like this before.

What application produces the PDF? What do you see if you view the PDF?
 
> Application is OpenOffice.org (3.0 on debian, 3.3 on WinXP).
> 
> Debian PC prints through CUPS interface via hardwired ethernet;
> WinXP laptop prints through wireless ethernet. Printer is HP P1505n
> laserjet.

What PPD/driver are you using?
 
> I also asked this question on the OO forum.

A URL would be useful to track responses.


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Re: Spurious letter appears in OpenOffice printed document

[Tom Furie]

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:03:14AM -0400, George Langford, Sc.D. wrote:

> Document prints with a spurious letter in upper left hand corner of image:
> 
> 1. On debian PC running squeeze, only since recent apt-get update.
> 2. On WinXPSP3 laptop, the same document prints perfectly with the
> same printer.
> 
> Debian PC prints through CUPS interface via hardwired ethernet;
> WinXP laptop prints through wireless ethernet. Printer is HP P1505n
> laserjet.

What result do you get if you print from Windows via cups?

Cheers,
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Spurious letter appears in OpenOffice printed document

[George Langford, Sc.D.]

Here's a crossover problem.

Document prints with a spurious letter in upper left hand corner of image:

1. On debian PC running squeeze, only since recent apt-get update.
2. On WinXPSP3 laptop, the same document prints perfectly with the  
same printer.


Prints the extra letter whether on a No.10 envelope or on 8-1/2x11  
letter paper.

Letter is always uppercase, but not always the same letter. Always same place.

Document looks perfect on both 'puters. Also prints the extra letter  
if I convert to PDF and print that from Document Viewer. Document is  
several years old and never printed like this before.


Application is OpenOffice.org (3.0 on debian, 3.3 on WinXP).

Debian PC prints through CUPS interface via hardwired ethernet; WinXP  
laptop prints through wireless ethernet. Printer is HP P1505n laserjet.


I also asked this question on the OO forum.

George Langford


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Re: [OT] openoffice write auto-numbering turn off

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 12 May 2012 18:26:58 +0800, lina wrote:

> I have a file like:
> 
> aaa
> (1) morning
> (2) noon
> (3) afternoon
> 
> when I press the return key "enter" to start a new line, I don't expect
> it to be (4).

(...)

Check the suggestions here (mainly the #4 comment):

[LibreOffice] Turn off annoying automatic numbering
http://tyldurd.posterous.com/libreoffice-turn-off-annoying-automatic-numbe

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Re: [OT] openoffice write auto-numbering turn off

[lina]

On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:37 PM,   wrote:
> lina  writes:
>
>  > Hi,
>>
>  > I have a file like:
>>
>  > aaa
>  > (1) morning
>  > (2) noon
>  > (3) afternoon
>>
>  > when I press the return key "enter" to start a new line, I don't
>  > expect it to be (4).
>>
>  > How can I avoid it. I turned the numbering off still not work. so
>  > weird, google told me I may try "Tools"-> "Outline numbering" ->
>  > numebr "None".
>  > but still not work.
>>
>  > I am not so familiar with it, can someone give me some suggestions,
>>
>  > Thanks ahead,
>>
>
> Which version? OO.o or libreoffice?

Open office.

Now fix by:

Tools -> Autocorrect Options

uncheck "apply numbering and symbols"

Thanks.

>
>
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Re: [OT] openoffice write auto-numbering turn off

[paivakil]

lina  writes:

 > Hi,
>
 > I have a file like:
>
 > aaa
 > (1) morning
 > (2) noon
 > (3) afternoon
>
 > when I press the return key "enter" to start a new line, I don't
 > expect it to be (4).
>
 > How can I avoid it. I turned the numbering off still not work. so
 > weird, google told me I may try "Tools"-> "Outline numbering" ->
 > numebr "None".
 > but still not work.
>
 > I am not so familiar with it, can someone give me some suggestions,
>
 > Thanks ahead,
>

Which version? OO.o or libreoffice? 


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[OT] openoffice write auto-numbering turn off

[lina]

Hi,

I have a file like:

aaa
(1) morning
(2) noon
(3) afternoon

when I press the return key "enter" to start a new line, I don't
expect it to be (4).

How can I avoid it. I turned the numbering off still not work. so
weird, google told me I may try "Tools"-> "Outline numbering" ->
numebr "None".
but still not work.

I am not so familiar with it, can someone give me some suggestions,

Thanks ahead,

Best regards,


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Re: Openoffice writer.................................fill

[Joel Roth]

Thanks for those replies. 

I will try to probe the logic of the ruler
and tab system, hopefully 
finding a practical way to repeat that fill
pattern in some 90 lines.

Regards,



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> On 09/19/2011 05:16 PM, Joel Roth wrote:
> >Hi Debianologists,
> >
> >Many word processors can fill to the right margin
> >with a repeated character (often dot or underscore).
> >
> >I think the technical term is 'leadering'.
> >
> >Does anyone know how to do it in OOW?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> 
> click on the ruler where you want your tab
> right-click on that to set it to a right-tab
> double-click on that to open the Paragraph styles dialog box.
> set your leader as you prefer
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Re: Openoffice writer.................................fill

[Kent West]

On 09/19/2011 05:16 PM, Joel Roth wrote:

Hi Debianologists,

Many word processors can fill to the right margin
with a repeated character (often dot or underscore).

I think the technical term is 'leadering'.

Does anyone know how to do it in OOW?

Thanks

   


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right-click on that to set it to a right-tab
double-click on that to open the Paragraph styles dialog box.
set your leader as you prefer

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Re: Openoffice writer.................................fill

[John Jason Jordan]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:16:17 -1000
Joel Roth  dijo:

>Hi Debianologists,
>
>Many word processors can fill to the right margin
>with a repeated character (often dot or underscore).
>
>I think the technical term is 'leadering'.
>
>Does anyone know how to do it in OOW?

Create a tab at the rightmost edge of the paper. As part of the
properties of the tab you can specify a fill character. 

I should also suggest that you find the OOo mailing list (which is in
the process of changing due to being acquired by Apache). 


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Re: Openoffice writer.................................fill

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 12:16 -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> Hi Debianologists,
> 
> Many word processors can fill to the right margin
> with a repeated character (often dot or underscore).
> 
> I think the technical term is 'leadering'.
> 
> Does anyone know how to do it in OOW?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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> 
> 
You might find it in the parapghraph settings on the Tabs  tab.  Not
sure it the fill character is what you are seeking - John


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Openoffice writer.................................fill

[Joel Roth]

Hi Debianologists,

Many word processors can fill to the right margin
with a repeated character (often dot or underscore).

I think the technical term is 'leadering'.

Does anyone know how to do it in OOW?

Thanks

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Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[John W Foster]

I want to thank all of you who replied to my question. As usual I got
many different viewpoints and as such have decided to install
LibreOffice & give it a go. As for those concerned about my implied
failure to do my own discovery...well that is exactly why I've been a
participating member of the Debian 'community' for many years. It's not
that I did not research the area, just that I wanted outside input from
some who are already on the road to changing over. I really appreciate
the input. I have also found over the years, that in many cases, points
of concern are brought out that I may have NOT thought of. Such was the
case here.
Thanks!
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Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, John W Foster wrote:
> 1. Why is Debian switching to LibreOffice, per the posting I saw a few
> days ago?

Because that PR was unfortunately worded.  We are not _switching to_
LibreOffice, we're switching package names.  We've been shipping what is now
named LibreOffice all along:  LibreOffice is derived from go-ooo, which was
the fork of OpenOffice.org that we were shipping.

> 2. Is OpenOffice still going to be supported?

Someone might see fit to package apache-ooo.org, but right now there is only
LibreOffice (formely go-ooo) in Debian.

Support for the packages that have been shipped in Squeeze has not been
discontinued at all.

> 3. What makes LibreOffice better than OpenOffice?

See above.  Right now, LibreOffice 3.3/3.4 are newer versions of what Debian
has been shipping.

But if you want to compare LibreOffice with Apache OpenOffice.org, it is
best to ask that again in about one year.  It is still too soon to ask that
kind of question.

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Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:26:39 -0500, John W Foster wrote:

> 1. Why is Debian switching to LibreOffice, per the posting I saw a few
> days ago?

I suppose because is a community based development and supported upstream.

> 2. Is OpenOffice still going to be supported? 

OpenOffice is dead by now. I mean, Oracle is no more investing resources 
on it, there was an official announcement not so long ago.

> 3. What makes LibreOffice better than OpenOffice?

That is still maintained and community driven (Oracle is a comercial 
company, in the end...).

> These questions are not intended to start a flame war! I have never even
> looked at LibreOffice, as I did not need to. Now I'm concerned that a
> large body of work covering several years will have to be 'ported' to a
> new format & that I will have to learn a lot of new stuff. Any rational
> comments are appreciated. 

The sooner you start testing it, the better.

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Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[Darac Marjal]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:55:22PM +0200, Steven wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 13:26 -0500, John W Foster wrote: 
[cut]
> 
> > 3. What makes LibreOffice better than OpenOffice?
> 
> It is supposed to be faster, has more bugs fixed, and so on. It also
> appears to me much more active in development than OpenOffice.
> 
> > 
> > These questions are not intended to start a flame war! I have never even
> > looked at LibreOffice, as I did not need to. Now I'm concerned that a
> > large body of work covering several years will have to be 'ported' to a
> > new format & that I will have to learn a lot of new stuff.
> 
> I wouldn't worry to much about that, LibreOffice is effectively a fork
> of OpenOffice.org, both go their separate ways from that point on, but
> much will remain the same at first, such as the format in which
> documents are saved. The user interface has changed a bit, but not
> dramatically, I doubt it you'll see the difference at first, some
> dialogs have changed a bit, but most people seem to agree that is for
> the better. In my experience (I run Debian testing with LibreOffice) you
> can see LibreOffice as a major upgrade of OpenOffice itself.
> 

I believe the OpenOffice.org to LibreOffice change is similar to what
happened a few years back with XFree86 to Xorg. Both are roughly similar
products and perform the same function - as far as a user is concerned,
there should be no real difference - but the product being switched to
has a better developer community so changes can be introduced quicker
(newer features, more stability fixes etc).

This is the beauty of open source. :)


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Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[Robert Holtzman]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 01:26:39PM -0500, John W Foster wrote:
> 1. Why is Debian switching to LibreOffice, per the posting I saw a few
> days ago?
> 2. Is OpenOffice still going to be supported?
> 3. What makes LibreOffice better than OpenOffice?
> 
> These questions are not intended to start a flame war! I have never even
> looked at LibreOffice, as I did not need to. Now I'm concerned that a
> large body of work covering several years will have to be 'ported' to a
> new format & that I will have to learn a lot of new stuff.
> Any rational comments are appreciated.

If you have never looked at LibreOffice, what makes you think that your
OOo files won't work as is? If you would bother to look instead of drawing
an uninformed conclusion, you would find that the formats are identical.
That's why it's called "open format".

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Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[Joe]

On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:26:39 -0500
John W Foster  wrote:

> 1. Why is Debian switching to LibreOffice, per the posting I saw a few
> days ago?
> 2. Is OpenOffice still going to be supported?
> 3. What makes LibreOffice better than OpenOffice?
> 
> These questions are not intended to start a flame war! I have never
> even looked at LibreOffice, as I did not need to. Now I'm concerned
> that a large body of work covering several years will have to be
> 'ported' to a new format & that I will have to learn a lot of new
> stuff. Any rational comments are appreciated.
>

From Wiki:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice 

"On 28 September 2010, several members of the OpenOffice.org project
formed a new group called "The Document Foundation". The Document
Foundation created LibreOffice from their former project, over concerns
that Oracle Corporation would either discontinue OpenOffice.org, or
place restrictions on it as an open-source project, as it had
OpenSolaris.

"It was originally hoped that the LibreOffice name would be provisional,
as Oracle was invited to become a member of The Document Foundation.
Oracle rejected offers to donate the OpenOffice.org brand to the
project and demanded that all members of the OpenOffice.org
Community Council involved with The Document Foundation step down from
the OOo community council, citing a conflict of interest.

"The Go-oo project was discontinued in favour of LibreOffice.
Improvements made by the project are being merged into LibreOffice.
Improvements made in other forks are also expected to be incorporated
into LibreOffice. Other improvements being made is the use of
Java is being reduced to reduce any possible security issue and to
improve application stability.

"As a result of the fork of OpenOffice.org into LibreOffice, and the
resulting loss of developers, Oracle announced in April 2011 that it
was terminating the commercial development of OpenOffice.org."

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Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[Steven]

On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 13:26 -0500, John W Foster wrote: 
> 1. Why is Debian switching to LibreOffice, per the posting I saw a few
> days ago?

From what I read and heard, most distributions switched, or are in the
process of switching. It also appears most of the developers are behind
LibreOffice, which has gained quite a number of new developers, cleaning
up the code. You should read up on why LibreOffice has forked from
OpenOffice. A short history can be found on wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice#History
But I'm sure others can give a much more detailed explanation.

> 2. Is OpenOffice still going to be supported?

It is my understanding that OpenOffice will still be supported (security
updates) for Debian stable (Lenny) until it is EOL. No new versions will
be introduced as these are replaced in Debian with LibreOffice

> 3. What makes LibreOffice better than OpenOffice?

It is supposed to be faster, has more bugs fixed, and so on. It also
appears to me much more active in development than OpenOffice.

> 
> These questions are not intended to start a flame war! I have never even
> looked at LibreOffice, as I did not need to. Now I'm concerned that a
> large body of work covering several years will have to be 'ported' to a
> new format & that I will have to learn a lot of new stuff.

I wouldn't worry to much about that, LibreOffice is effectively a fork
of OpenOffice.org, both go their separate ways from that point on, but
much will remain the same at first, such as the format in which
documents are saved. The user interface has changed a bit, but not
dramatically, I doubt it you'll see the difference at first, some
dialogs have changed a bit, but most people seem to agree that is for
the better. In my experience (I run Debian testing with LibreOffice) you
can see LibreOffice as a major upgrade of OpenOffice itself.

You don't need to worry about any existing documents, or learning a new
user interface.

As a user, you won't notice the difference at first (apart from the name
change), it appears as just a new version of your existing office suite,
getting faster, new features and it keeps improving.

> Any rational comments are appreciated.
> Thanks!
> Frosty
> 

Kind regards,
Steven



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Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[Leandro DUTRA]

2011/6/29 John W Foster :
> 1. Why is Debian switching to LibreOffice, per the posting I saw a few
> days ago?

Because the community has switched to LibreOffice.


> 2. Is OpenOffice still going to be supported?

Perhaps by Oracle, the Apache foundation, IBM or whomever may be
interestested, not by Debian, unless some maintainer decides it is worth his
while.


> 3. What makes LibreOffice better than OpenOffice?

Community, which translates into development, support and bug fixing critical
mass.

For now, this holds true, with LibreOffice developing faster, deeper
and better than OpenOffice.org since Oracle, after Sun, declined to fulfill
their promise of involving the community in the development of OpenOffice.org,
and furthermore declined to get involved in the community aroung the Document
foundation and LibreOffice.

In other words, the .org in OpenOffice is a sham, and has been exposed
as such by the Document foundation and LibreOffice.

I would add that copyleft also makes LibreOffice better, but that is
at least slightly more controversial.


> Now I'm concerned that a
> large body of work covering several years will have to be 'ported' to a
> new format & that I will have to learn a lot of new stuff.

No, indeed LibreOffice inherits the same compatibility and data formats as
OpenOffice.org does, and the community which defined the ODF is behind
LibreOffice today, not OpenOffice.org.  Furthermore, the licensing model
behind both projects ensure it is easier for LibreOffice to follow
developments from OpenOffice.org than the reverse.


> Any rational comments are appreciated.

I hope I was rational, and clear, enough.


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OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[John W Foster]

1. Why is Debian switching to LibreOffice, per the posting I saw a few
days ago?
2. Is OpenOffice still going to be supported?
3. What makes LibreOffice better than OpenOffice?

These questions are not intended to start a flame war! I have never even
looked at LibreOffice, as I did not need to. Now I'm concerned that a
large body of work covering several years will have to be 'ported' to a
new format & that I will have to learn a lot of new stuff.
Any rational comments are appreciated.
Thanks!
Frosty


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Re: What happened to OpenOffice 2.4.1?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <20110509130418.15f3f873.jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com>, Jason Hsu wrote:
>What happened to OpenOffice 2.4.1? Where can I get the *.deb file for it?

Lenny should still be available from most Debian mirrors.  Even when it is 
finally retired, it will be available in the archives.  Finally, almost any 
package that was in Debian since Etch, including packages that were only in 
unstable should be available via the snapshot service.
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Re: What happened to OpenOffice 2.4.1?

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 09 May 2011 13:04:18 -0500, Jason Hsu wrote:

> What happened to OpenOffice 2.4.1? Where can I get the *.deb file for
> it?

(...)

It's there:

http://packages.debian.org/lenny/openoffice.org

And also in the snapshot directory:

http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/openoffice.org/

I dunno why your Swift install cannot detect it, maybe because it is 
poiting to Debian stable repos? :-?

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What happened to OpenOffice 2.4.1?

[Jason Hsu]

What happened to OpenOffice 2.4.1? Where can I get the *.deb file for it?

I know OpenOffice 2.4.1 is from Debian's Lenny branch, which is now oldstable. 
However, version 2 of OpenOffice is substantially lighter than version 3.

I'm working on the creation of the new version (0.1.0) of Swift Linux, which is 
based on antiX Linux. For all previous versions, I had no problem with 
OpenOffice 2.4.1. But when I try to install OpenOffice 2.4.1 now, apt-get and 
Synaptic can't find the *.deb files.

If you're wondering why I'd offer pre-installed OpenOffice in Swift Linux, the 
idea is to save users the time of having to download OpenOffice and change the 
file associations. While pre-installed OpenOffice means a bigger ISO file, at 
least the process of downloading an ISO file is passive and can be done 
unattended.  (Those who don't like OpenOffice can use Diet Swift Linux, the 
base edition of Swift Linux.)

Pre-installed OpenOffice broadens the appeal of Swift Linux. One group I'm 
appealing to us Puppy Linux users who use OpenOffice.

I'm also appealing to the low-end Ubuntu and Mint users. Anyone scraping by on 
512 MB of RAM will soon be cut off due to the ever-growing system requirements. 
Both Ubuntu and Mint come with OpenOffice pre-installed and still fit on a CD. 
Pre-installing OpenOffice in Swift Linux provides one of the major Ubuntu/Mint 
selling points.

The reasons why Swift Linux needs OpenOffice 2.4.1 and not version 3 or 
LibreOffice are:
1. Swift Linux is designed to work on 10-year-old computers. Thus, this is a 
lightweight distro, with only 128 MB of RAM required and 256 MB of RAM 
recommended. In the speed department, Swift Linux is designed to compete with 
Puppy Linux, not Ubuntu Linux and Linux Mint. The purpose of Swift Linux is to 
provide fast operation like Puppy Linux, a large repository like Linux Mint, 
and the user-friendliness of both.
2. LibreOffice and the newer versions of OpenOffice take up more space. This 
makes it hard to keep the Swift Linux ISO under 700MB so that it fits on a CD 
and doesn't require a DVD.
3. LibreOffice and the newer versions of OpenOffice require more RAM. 128 MB is 
enough for OpenOffice 2.4.1, but LibreOffice and the newer versions of 
OpenOffice require at least 256 MB of RAM, with at least 512 MB recommended.

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Re: Re (2): docx; was Re^2: OTF conversion without OpenOffice

[Lisi]

On Monday 25 April 2011 16:25:40 peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
> Definitely a sarcastic example; to accompany my remark
> about the computer being a sorcerer's apprentice for
> most users.

Sorry, Peter -

I always did take things too literally.  The first French I learnt was "Vous 
prenez les choses au pied de la lettre."

Given that I have not so far succeeded in learning to recognise sarcasm, I 
fear that it is probably too late for me to learn. :-(

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Re: docx; was Re^2: OTF conversion without OpenOffice

[Lisi]

On Monday 25 April 2011 12:01:58 Camaleón wrote:
> Oh, well, if you put it that way... there is no need to make a document
> for that, just send an e-mail or upload a new twitter ;-)

Quite.  Another poster in fact suggested email.

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Re (2): docx; was Re^2: OTF conversion without OpenOffice

[peasthope]

Camaleon & Lisi,

From:   Camaleon 
Date:   Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:01:58 + (UTC)
> I took the above just as a sarcastic example...

Definitely a sarcastic example; to accompany my remark 
about the computer being a sorcerer's apprentice for 
most users.  At a social event such as an office party, 
ask a non-technical person to explain what the WWW is.  
Don't ask point blank of course but work it into the 
conversation.  While hardware becomes faster and MS 
complexifies their software, the user's comprehension 
recedes.

[The private copy of this was unintentional.]

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Re: Re (3): docx; was Re^2: OTF conversion without OpenOffice

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 17:19:35 -0800, peasthope wrote:

> From: Camaleon
> Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 16:28:01 + (UTC)
>> What you are getting is a common/documented error, don't worry. To
>> solve it you have to edit the XML file and remove the line at the top
>> that links the XML with a stylesheet (XSL).
>> 
>> For example:
>> 
>>  > type="text/xsl" href="file.xsl"?> ...
>> 
>> Just remove the second line.
> 
> Haven't found anything invoking the style sheet in document.xml. It
> begins with these lines.
>   xmlns:ve="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/markup-compatibility/2006";
> xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
> 
> I've yet to use a stylesheet and wonder whether there is a way to invoke
> one implicitly or indirectly.

Can you upload the whole XML file to an online service (only if the file 
does not contain sensible data) or sending it to me directly? I would 
like to take a look, just out of curiosity.

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Re: docx; was Re^2: OTF conversion without OpenOffice

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 23:10:10 +0100, Lisi wrote:

> On Sunday 24 April 2011 18:34:55 Camaleón wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 18:28:29 +0100, Lisi wrote:
>> > On Sunday 24 April 2011 16:38:23 Camaleón wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:27:33 -0800, peasthope wrote:
>> >> > MS invented docx.  Now when John Doe wants to say "Summer Vacation
>> >> > Planning Meeting.  Bring your coffee mug to the boardroom at
>> >> > 3:00." he can send an archive containing a hierarchy of a dozen or
>> >> > so files. Several kB in total.
>> > Why not .txt?  Even simpler, will retain all the information and be
>> > readable with almost anything.
>>
>> How about images and text formatting? With plain text files you miss
>> them (html should be a nice alternative but again, images have to be
>> enclosed apart) ;-)
> 
> There are no images in the text above.  it is just that - simple text.
> "Summer Vacation Planning Meeting.  Bring your coffee mug to the
> boardroom at 3:00."

Oh, well, if you put it that way... there is no need to make a document 
for that, just send an e-mail or upload a new twitter ;-)

> I was not referring to a putative complicated document, but to this
> specific example, and others like it.  For this specific example .pdf is
> overkill.

I took the above just as a sarcastic example... I don't think the user is 
named "John Doe" :-)

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Re (3): docx; was Re^2: OTF conversion without OpenOffice

[peasthope]

From:   Camaleon 
Date:   Sun, 24 Apr 2011 16:28:01 + (UTC)
> What you are getting is a common/documented error, don't worry. To solve 
> it you have to edit the XML file and remove the line at the top that 
> links the XML with a stylesheet (XSL).
> 
> For example:
> 
> 
> 
> ...
> 
> Just remove the second line.

Haven't found anything invoking the style sheet in document.xml.
It begins with these lines.

http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/markup-compatibility/2006"; 
xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" 

I've yet to use a stylesheet and wonder whether there is a way to invoke 
one implicitly or indirectly.

Thanks for the ideas, ... Peter E.

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Re: docx; was Re^2: OTF conversion without OpenOffice

[Lisi]

On Sunday 24 April 2011 18:34:55 Camaleón wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 18:28:29 +0100, Lisi wrote:
> > On Sunday 24 April 2011 16:38:23 Camaleón wrote:
> >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:27:33 -0800, peasthope wrote:
> >> > MS invented docx.  Now when John Doe wants to say "Summer Vacation
> >> > Planning Meeting.  Bring your coffee mug to the boardroom at 3:00."
> >> > he can send an archive containing a hierarchy of a dozen or so files.
> >> > Several kB in total.
> > Why not .txt?  Even simpler, will retain all the information and be
> > readable with almost anything.
>
> How about images and text formatting? With plain text files you miss them
> (html should be a nice alternative but again, images have to be enclosed
> apart) ;-)

There are no images in the text above.  it is just that - simple text. "Summer 
Vacation Planning Meeting.  Bring your coffee mug to the boardroom at 3:00."

I was not referring to a putative complicated document, but to this specific 
example, and others like it.  For this specific example .pdf is overkill.

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Re: Re (2): docx; was Re^2: OTF conversion without OpenOffice

[Greg Madden]

On Sunday 24 April 2011 09:05:34 am peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:

> I get that.  But the function of a browser is to interpret
> a text in an XML language, into a form for input to a human.
> I just don't see how to make Iceweasel recognize the structure
> of this document.  The style is there but Iceweasel doesn't
> get it.

Maybe something like this.

Firefox has addons that can view XML files ie: 'OpenXMLviewer'
Google 'xml viewer' & firefox . 

Not sure what works with the Iceweasel version in Squeeze.
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Re: docx; was Re^2: OTF conversion without OpenOffice

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 18:28:29 +0100, Lisi wrote:

> On Sunday 24 April 2011 16:38:23 Camaleón wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:27:33 -0800, peasthope wrote:
>> > MS invented docx.  Now when John Doe wants to say "Summer Vacation
>> > Planning Meeting.  Bring your coffee mug to the boardroom at 3:00."
>> > he can send an archive containing a hierarchy of a dozen or so files.
>> > Several kB in total.
>>
>> No, indeed. To avoid that tell (instruct) "Mr. Doe" to deliver a PDF
>> document instead and problem solved ;-)
> 
> Why not .txt?  Even simpler, will retain all the information and be
> readable with almost anything.  

How about images and text formatting? With plain text files you miss them 
(html should be a nice alternative but again, images have to be enclosed 
apart) ;-)

PDF being an ISO standard is a very good alternative for handling 
documents that do not need to be edited but viewed and it features very 
good compression methods for images.

> I suppose at a pinch .rtf, but I don't
> see that any formatting is necessary for that information.

RTF has a big drawback: it generates very big documents not suitable for 
sending them attached to an e-mail ;-(

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Re: docx; was Re^2: OTF conversion without OpenOffice

[Lisi]

On Sunday 24 April 2011 16:38:23 Camaleón wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:27:33 -0800, peasthope wrote:
> > MS invented docx.  Now when John Doe wants to say "Summer Vacation
> > Planning Meeting.  Bring your coffee mug to the boardroom at 3:00." he
> > can send an archive containing a hierarchy of a dozen or so files.
> > Several kB in total.
>
> No, indeed. To avoid that tell (instruct) "Mr. Doe" to deliver a PDF
> document instead and problem solved ;-)

Why not .txt?  Even simpler, will retain all the information and be readable 
with almost anything.  I suppose at a pinch .rtf, but I don't see that any 
formatting is necessary for that information.

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Re: Re (2): docx; was Re^2: OTF conversion without OpenOffice

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 09:05:34 -0800, peasthope wrote:

> From: Camaleon
> Subject:  Re: docx; was Re^2: OTF conversion without OpenOffice
>> No, indeed. To avoid that tell (instruct) "Mr. Doe" to deliver a PDF
>> document instead and problem solved ;-)
> 
> Or send an email containing a message of about 82 ASCII characters. For
> most of the population, the computer has become a sorcerer's apprentice.

Sure, but our task is to tell the users how to mix the components to make 
"white magic" and don't let them to fall into the dark side O:-)

>> But docx's XML is raw format, meaning that you barely can get access to
>> some pieces of the doc text but it will be completely unstructured and
>> meaningless.
> 
> I get that.  But the function of a browser is to interpret a text in an
> XML language, into a form for input to a human. I just don't see how to
> make Iceweasel recognize the structure of this document.  The style is
> there but Iceweasel doesn't get it.

What you are getting is a common/documented error, don't worry. To solve 
it you have to edit the XML file and remove the line at the top that 
links the XML with a stylesheet (XSL).

For example:



...

Just remove the second line.

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Re (2): docx; was Re^2: OTF conversion without OpenOffice

[peasthope]

From:   Camaleon 
Subject:Re: docx; was Re^2: OTF conversion without OpenOffice
> No, indeed. To avoid that tell (instruct) "Mr. Doe" to deliver a PDF 
> document instead and problem solved ;-)

Or send an email containing a message of about 82 ASCII characters.  
For most of the population, the computer has become a sorcerer's 
apprentice.

> But docx's XML is raw format, meaning that you 
> barely can get access to some pieces of the doc text but it will be 
> completely unstructured and meaningless.

I get that.  But the function of a browser is to interpret 
a text in an XML language, into a form for input to a human.
I just don't see how to make Iceweasel recognize the structure 
of this document.  The style is there but Iceweasel doesn't 
get it.

Regards,... Peter E.

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Re: docx; was Re^2: OTF conversion without OpenOffice

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:27:33 -0800, peasthope wrote:

(Uf... a very old thread, I've completely forgotten the full context :-P)

> MS invented docx.  Now when John Doe wants to say "Summer Vacation
> Planning Meeting.  Bring your coffee mug to the boardroom at 3:00." he
> can send an archive containing a hierarchy of a dozen or so files.
> Several kB in total.

No, indeed. To avoid that tell (instruct) "Mr. Doe" to deliver a PDF 
document instead and problem solved ;-)

> * From: Camaleón *   Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010
> 14:39:22 + (UTC)
>> ... "document.xml" is the main file, the one that contains the text of
>> the document.
> 
> When iceweasel attempts to open document.xml it reports "This XML file
> does not appear to have any style information associated with it.  ..." 
> styles.xml is there but iceweasel misses it.
> 
> Anyone have a clever way of opening the document with Iceweasel.

XML is a plain text format so you can open it with any text editor (gedit/
mcedit/vim/pico/emacs...). But docx's XML is raw format, meaning that you 
barely can get access to some pieces of the doc text but it will be 
completely unstructured and meaningless.

You better try to open the file with an updated verion of Libre Office or 
ask someone to open it for you and then he/she can return it to you in a 
more open and standard format.

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docx; was Re^2: OTF conversion without OpenOffice

[peasthope]

MS invented docx.  Now when John Doe wants to say "Summer 
Vacation Planning Meeting.  Bring your coffee mug to the boardroom 
at 3:00." he can send an archive containing a hierarchy of a 
dozen or so files. Several kB in total.  

*   From: brownh 
*   Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 07:11:47 -0400
> 3. Abiword can be used to convert the document format 
> from .docx to, say, .pdf. 

In Squeeze, AbiWord 2.4.6 reports "Error importing file 
/home/peter/blah.doc.docx."
According to release notes, docx capability appears in 2.8.0.

*   From: Camaleón 
*   Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:39:22 + (UTC)
> ... "document.xml" is the main file, the one that contains 
> the text of the document.

When iceweasel attempts to open document.xml it reports 
"This XML file does not appear to have any style information 
associated with it.  ..."  styles.xml is there but iceweasel misses it.

Anyone have a clever way of opening the document with Iceweasel.

Thanks,  ... Peter E.



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Re: Openoffice.

[Camaleón]

El 2011-04-06 a las 12:05 -0300, Ezequiel Larrarte escribió:

(resending to the list)

> I follow these steps:
> * Alt+f2 ... Smb://user@host/share
> * Gnome password manager asks me for the authentication information
> * an icon is then created on the desktop to the network share
> * umount the share
> * try to connect again
> * fine, gnome mounts the share without asking me the password again
> * try to open a text file from the share ... No problem, gedit opens the
> file
> * try to open an openoffice file and the pop up appears asking me the
> password ... So its an open office issue I think

Oh, yes, then what it can be failing is the seahorse integration with 
OpenOffice. There was a similar bug reported for Ubuntu¹ but provided 
it should have been fixed some years ago, this could be a regression 
:-?

[gvfs] [smb] OpenOffice isn't integrated with gnome-keyring
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/229839

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Re: Openoffice.

[Camaleón]

El 2011-04-05 a las 21:55 -0300, Ezequiel Larrarte escribió:

(forwarding to the list)

> On Apr 5, 2011 1:53 PM, "Camaleón" wrote:

(...)

> >> Another strange thing is that everytime I open a document from the my
> >> samba server using smb://user@server/share/, it asks me the password ..
> >> Any ideas?
> >
> > Every time?
> >
> > Maybe is Seahorse, the password manager for GNOME but it should provide
> > options for storing the password (forget, remember for this
> > session...) :-?

> Its not gnome, the problem is the openoffice. It shows me a popup asking for
> the network user and password ... Maybe something related to gvfs, fuse?

Well, GNOME (seahorse) asks me every time I want to access to a samba share 
(smb://), regardless if I'm inside OOo or using nautilus, but this 
behaviour can be configured and even disabled.

Are you sure it's OOo and not DE? If it's OOo, I've never seen that before 
:-?

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Re: Openoffice.

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 12:24:20 -0300, Ezequiel Larrarte wrote:

> Hi everyone, I ve reinstalled my computer with a fresh Debian squeeze
> and now openoffice quickstart doesn't let me reboot my PC. I be been
> reading that it's an openoffice bug, any news about this? 

Do you mean this?

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=605268

> Another strange thing is that everytime I open a document from the my
> samba server using smb://user@server/share/, it asks me the password ..
> Any ideas? 

Every time? 

Maybe is Seahorse, the password manager for GNOME but it should provide 
options for storing the password (forget, remember for this 
session...) :-?

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Openoffice.

[Ezequiel Larrarte]

Hi everyone, I ve reinstalled my computer with a fresh Debian squeeze and
now openoffice quickstart doesn't let me reboot my PC. I be been reading
that it's an openoffice bug, any news about this?
Another strange thing is that everytime I open a document from the my samba
server using smb://user@server/share/, it asks me the password .. Any ideas?

Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Anthony Campbell]

On 16 Feb 2011, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 01:54:15PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > I'm using Sid. After OpenOffice broke during an upgrade I purged it and
> > reinstalled, after which it returned to life as LibreOffice. There
> 
> define "broke", please.
> 
> Grüße/Regards,
> 
> René

Not really broken; I just got confused when apt (wajig) wanted to
replace OpenOffice with LibreOffice. That was why I thought the change
should have been better signalled.

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:02:58 -0800, John Jason Jordan wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:30:47 + (UTC) Camaleón dijo:
> 
>>Back on topic, Wikipedia holds up-to-date info about OpenOffice forks
>>and its derivatives:
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org#Derivative_software
> 
> Thanks. That was very helpful.
> 
> The only part I don't understand is where it says that Go-oo added
> features. What it fails to mention is that it also removes features. As
> just one example, in OOo 3.1 and later the Save button is grayed out
> until there have been changes to the document. The Go-oo people removed
> this feature so that it would look more like MS Office. Or so I have
> read. All I can say for sure is that in 3.1 the Save button was never
> grayed out in the version from the Debian repos, but after removing that
> version and installing 3.1 from OOo the button worked as expected.

(...)

Hum... I wouldn't call that "a feature" but "a different behaviour" :-)

Anyway, I'm afraid the full list of changes is not going to be available 
under Wikipedia but on every project changelog or in their respectives 
bug tracking systems.

OTOH, from what I've read, one thing it turned nuts developers who 
participated in OOo development was the long time it took Sun to apply 
the pacthes upstream, so they finally forked to avoid such situation. I 
suppose there are more things that lead to that but I prefer keeping away 
from bureaucratic companies (as can be Oracle or Sun) as much as I can.

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Rene Engelhard]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 01:54:15PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> I'm using Sid. After OpenOffice broke during an upgrade I purged it and
> reinstalled, after which it returned to life as LibreOffice. There

define "broke", please.

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Chris Jones]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 07:12:02PM EST, Brad Alexander wrote:

[..]

> Honestly, I saw the writing on the wall when Elom was named CEO of
> Nokia.

It's ‘Elop’.. easy mnemonics:. rhymes with cop, flop, mop, slop, etc.

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Bret Busby]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Erwan David wrote:



On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 03:08:22PM CET, Frank Lanitz  
said:

Am 15.02.2011 15:02, schrieb teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net:


Tom H said;

It's not a Debian change but a split away from Oracle.

---

Why? I was afraid Oracle was gonna screw up a bunch of Sun's open projects, but 
they have been doing good as far as I have been able to tell (the latest ver. 
of Virtual Box is awesome and yummy open source goodness...


I'm afraid you missed a lot of news last weeks/month. MySQL, Solaris,
OpenOffice (which now became to Oracle OpenOffice)..


And now are fears for Qt...




I have not seen the message from Frank Lanitz, included above.

Does all of this, mean that Oracle is now the new SCO?

Bring back Star Office 5.x!
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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[shawn wilson]

On Feb 15, 2011 9:03 PM, "John Jason Jordan"  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:30:47 + (UTC)
> Camaleón  dijo:
>
> >Back on topic, Wikipedia holds up-to-date info about OpenOffice forks
> >and its derivatives:
> >
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org#Derivative_software
>
> Thanks. That was very helpful.
>
> The only part I don't understand is where it says that Go-oo added
> features. What it fails to mention is that it also removes features. As
> just one example, in OOo 3.1 and later the Save button is grayed out
> until there have been changes to the document. The Go-oo people removed
> this feature so that it would look more like MS Office. Or so I have
> read. All I can say for sure is that in 3.1 the Save button was never
> grayed out in the version from the Debian repos, but after removing
> that version and installing 3.1 from OOo the button worked as
> expected.
>
IIRC, on mac oo 3.2.1 the save button is grayed out until a change is made.
Don't run x on any of my linux boxes anymore so I can't really comment
there. However I don't see why this functionality would change between
ports.

Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[John Jason Jordan]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:30:47 + (UTC)
Camaleón  dijo:

>Back on topic, Wikipedia holds up-to-date info about OpenOffice forks
>and its derivatives:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org#Derivative_software

Thanks. That was very helpful.

The only part I don't understand is where it says that Go-oo added
features. What it fails to mention is that it also removes features. As
just one example, in OOo 3.1 and later the Save button is grayed out
until there have been changes to the document. The Go-oo people removed
this feature so that it would look more like MS Office. Or so I have
read. All I can say for sure is that in 3.1 the Save button was never
grayed out in the version from the Debian repos, but after removing
that version and installing 3.1 from OOo the button worked as
expected.

But now I am happily using 3.2.1 from OOo and have no particular
problems, other than the bugs that have been in OOo since 2.0 and have
never been fixed.


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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Petrus Validus]

> I'm afraid you missed a lot of news last weeks/month. MySQL, Solaris,
> OpenOffice (which now became to Oracle OpenOffice)..

I heard a little bit about this briefly, but somehow missed the bit 
about MySQL.  What will happen with that?

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Brad Alexander]

I agree and heartily hope that this is the case. For me, Nokia maintained a
moderate level of annoyance by their wishy-washy level of support of their
devices. They had already pretty much deemed the N900 a dead platform within
a few months of its release.

Now, with them dropping the entire works, I hope they crash and burn in the
loudest and most painful way possible...And take MS with them.

Honestly, I saw the writing on the wall when Elom was named CEO of Nokia.

As for QT, I think that there are enough KDE devs into QT to their armpits
that the community taking it over shouldn't be that much of an issue...

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On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. <
b...@iguanasuicide.net> wrote:

> On Tuesday 15 February 2011 17:08:18 Brad Alexander wrote:
> > It's not so much Nokia taking it in a proprietary direction, the fears
> are
> > more based on the fact that Nokia, now headed by an ex-MS exec, has come
> > out and said that they are going with Windows phone 7 series 7 phone
> > series... They also strongly hinted that Symbian is dead, and implied
> that
> > both Maemo is EOL'ed and Meego is being scaled back to "research status"
> > after release of a device this year [1] so as not to dilute their
> > affirmation of their MS love. They will be using Bing, Silverlight, the
> > entire suite of MS offerings on phones.[2]
>
> I tend to agree with this analysis, but that means bad stuff in the future
> for
> Nokia, not for Qt.
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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Tuesday 15 February 2011 17:08:18 Brad Alexander wrote:
> It's not so much Nokia taking it in a proprietary direction, the fears are
> more based on the fact that Nokia, now headed by an ex-MS exec, has come
> out and said that they are going with Windows phone 7 series 7 phone
> series... They also strongly hinted that Symbian is dead, and implied that
> both Maemo is EOL'ed and Meego is being scaled back to "research status"
> after release of a device this year [1] so as not to dilute their
> affirmation of their MS love. They will be using Bing, Silverlight, the
> entire suite of MS offerings on phones.[2]

I tend to agree with this analysis, but that means bad stuff in the future for 
Nokia, not for Qt.
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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Brad Alexander]

It's not so much Nokia taking it in a proprietary direction, the fears are
more based on the fact that Nokia, now headed by an ex-MS exec, has come out
and said that they are going with Windows phone 7 series 7 phone series...
They also strongly hinted that Symbian is dead, and implied that both Maemo
is EOL'ed and Meego is being scaled back to "research status" after release
of a device this year [1] so as not to dilute their affirmation of their MS
love. They will be using Bing, Silverlight, the entire suite of MS offerings
on phones.[2]

The implication is a strong one, since the pictures I saw were of the Steven
Elop and Ballmer high fiving, embracing and carrying on. The other thing is
that the word is that MS is giving Nokia a Big Ass Check for this, according
to rumors.[3]

Note that I don't always agree with them, but the Linux Action Show guys did
justice to the subject IMHO. Go check out the video [4].

[1]
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/02/10/first-meego-smartphone-was-cancelled-by-nokia-second-one-to-be-shown-soon/
[2]
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2011/feb11/02-11partnership.mspx
[3]
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2011/02/14/microsoft-actually-pays-nokia-to-use-windows-phone-7/
[4] http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/?p=5232

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On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. <
b...@iguanasuicide.net> wrote:

> On Tuesday 15 February 2011 08:22:53 Erwan David wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 03:08:22PM CET,
> > Frank Lanitz  said:
> > > I'm afraid you missed a lot of news last weeks/month. MySQL, Solaris,
> > > OpenOffice (which now became to Oracle OpenOffice)..
> >
> > And now are fears for Qt...
>
> Well, that has nothing to do with Oracle.
>
> Given Qt's licensing and the number of KDE developers that are comfortable
> patching it, I imagine a fork would be easy if necessary.  That said, the
> Qt
> open governance project hasn't died, yet.
>
> Really, there are no indications that Nokia would be taking Qt in a more
> proprietary direction.  With their current positioning, it is more likely
> that
> they gradually stop development of Qt rather than try to monetize it, but
> that's just my speculation and I get all my information from the interwebs
> so
> I'm likely wrong.
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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Jochen Schulz]

Adrian Levi:
> On 16 February 2011 02:47, Jochen Schulz  wrote:
> 
>> I would be surprised to find something like this. The fork has purely
>> political reasons and as it is still quite young, it shouldn't have
>> deviated from OOo by much until now.
> 
> LibreOffice includes the patchset that was GO-OO that neither Sun or
> Oracle would comit to the repo, so it was maintained as a separate
> patchset. Debian previously shipped GO-OO not Sun OO or Oracle OO

Thanks for the correction. I had never heard about these patches.

>>> I am interested in what LibreOffice offers that makes it easier to
>>> use, fewer bugs, features or lack thereof.
>> 
>> Don't expect any of this today. I guess that it is currently even less
>> stable/mature.
> 
> Pure Conjecture,

True. It's just what I expect of a fresh fork.

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Adrian Levi]

On 16 February 2011 02:47, Jochen Schulz  wrote:

> I would be surprised to find something like this. The fork has purely
> political reasons and as it is still quite young, it shouldn't have
> deviated from OOo by much until now.

LibreOffice includes the patchset that was GO-OO that neither Sun or
Oracle would comit to the repo, so it was maintained as a separate
patchset. Debian previously shipped GO-OO not Sun OO or Oracle OO

>> I am interested in what LibreOffice offers that makes it easier to
>> use, fewer bugs, features or lack thereof.
>
> Don't expect any of this today. I guess that it is currently even less
> stable/mature.

Pure Conjecture, Debian by shipping LibreOffice is shipping pretty
much the exact same software that it used to ship as OO.o (GO-OO) so
the stability/maturity should not have apreciably changed?

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Adrian Levi]

On 16 February 2011 00:22, Erwan David  wrote:

> And now are fears for Qt...

Qt has nothing to do with Oracle. Qt is Nokia previously Trolltech.
Qt is LGPL and proprietory for commercial use.

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:38:24 -0500, shawn wilson wrote:

> 1. last time i checked, there are some things that libraoffice needs a
> jre to run and it doesn't ship with one (i've seen it complain about it
> - runs fine without it, but...).

That was a "soft" requirement also from OpenOffice (some parts of the 
wizards required Java), not a new feature of LibreOffice.

> 2. i highly doubt nokia is dropping qt since it is at the center of
> their n8 sdk.

Nokia has jumped into a dark-and-fuzzy side, let's see how it behaves 
from now on.

> 3. 95% of virtualbox is open sourced anyway - wouldn't matter much if
> oracle dropped it. might change to librabox or virtuallylibre, but
> that's about it. the closed source stuff is the usb transport and (iirc)
> some of the desktop stuff.

USB stack is available only with the PUEL licence (and so this part of 
the code is not open source at all) so if Oracle starts doing weird 
things with VirtualBox I would jump to another VM. 

> now, i don't know what oracle will do to mysql. however, they could
> really mess up the db world since (iirc) the innodb stuff is their's. if
> they pull that, we've got problems. 

There is PostgreSQL and nosql dbs :-)

> i think there's also some minor db
> stuff that oracle owns the rights to that are in mysql, postgresql, and
> others. 

Uh? Last time I checked PostgreSQL license was very free software and 
user-friendly (similar to the new BSD license).

Back on topic, Wikipedia holds up-to-date info about OpenOffice forks and 
its derivatives:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org#Derivative_software

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[shawn wilson]

1. last time i checked, there are some things that libraoffice needs a jre
to run and it doesn't ship with one (i've seen it complain about it - runs
fine without it, but...).
2. i highly doubt nokia is dropping qt since it is at the center of their n8
sdk.
3. 95% of virtualbox is open sourced anyway - wouldn't matter much if oracle
dropped it. might change to librabox or virtuallylibre, but that's about it.
the closed source stuff is the usb transport and (iirc) some of the desktop
stuff.


now, i don't know what oracle will do to mysql. however, they could really
mess up the db world since (iirc) the innodb stuff is their's. if they pull
that, we've got problems. i think there's also some minor db stuff that
oracle owns the rights to that are in mysql, postgresql, and others.

Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[John Jason Jordan]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:59:53 +0100
"Hans-J. Ullrich"  dijo:

>But of course, that is my point, other people might decide different.
>Also free decisions are freedom, too!

Well said.


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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Dienstag, 15. Februar 2011 schrieb John Jason Jordan:

Hi Jason,

> I am still using OOo 3.2.1 but have been hearing about the LibreOffice
> fork for some time now. A couple weeks ago I even went to their
> website, but I was looking for feature comparisons and I couldn't find
> it anywhere. All I can find is pages and pages of discussion of the
> evils of proprietary software and the goodness of the LibreOffice fork
> in contrast. That's interesting, but I'm just a desktop user and my
> bottom line is whether it works better or not.
> 
> Does anyone know of a place that has a fairly detailed but not too
> technical list of why one would want to use LibreOffice over OOo,
> disregarding the open source issues. I am interested in what
> LibreOffice offers that makes it easier to use, fewer bugs, features or
> lack thereof.
> 
> Also I am interested in whether distros will be modifying it, e.g., the
> GOo mess. For example, I now always install OOo from the .deb files
> downloaded from OOo because distros always cripple something. The last
> incident was Installing 3.2.1 from the repos on a Fedora computer,
> where Fedora decided to disable the AutoCorrect feature.

I suppose, Debian will not disable things if not forced to because of 
technical problems. Besides, I do not think, that at the moment are many 
differences between OOO and LibO, as LibO is just a fork of OOO. However, I 
have heard, that the last release of LibO might be more stable than OOO, and 
OOO in the future focusses more to cloud-computing.

The main point for me to change as fast as possible to LibO can be described 
in one word: freedom! I do not want to be obliqued from a single company, who 
just want to make money. And I anger with Oracle, how they managed with the 
people from OOO and LibO. They forgot (and they even do not care), that people 
have spent a lot of their private times, to improve OOO. So OOO could freely 
grow and got better and better. Now the developers are forced to code, want 
Oracle wants, and not what they themselves want to develop. Becaus of this, 
LibreOffice was founded and most of the developers of OOO are now developing 
LibO -  and again with joy and freedom! IMO the results will be better in the 
future, but that is not the point. The point is, that IMO the quality of 
software (or any other product) will be better, when people are working on it 
with joy and freedom. That is, why I changed to LibO, and why I want to 
contribute it, if I can.

But of course, that is my point, other people might decide different. Also free 
decisions are freedom, too!

Have fun!

Hans-J. Ullrich


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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Jochen Schulz]

John Jason Jordan:
> 
> Does anyone know of a place that has a fairly detailed but not too
> technical list of why one would want to use LibreOffice over OOo,
> disregarding the open source issues.

I would be surprised to find something like this. The fork has purely
political reasons and as it is still quite young, it shouldn't have
deviated from OOo by much until now.

> I am interested in what LibreOffice offers that makes it easier to
> use, fewer bugs, features or lack thereof. 

Don't expect any of this today. I guess that it is currently even less
stable/mature.

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[John Jason Jordan]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:10:00 +
Roger Leigh  dijo:

>On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 02:02:30PM +, teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net
>wrote:
>> Why? I was afraid Oracle was gonna screw up a bunch of Sun's open
>> projects, but they have been doing good as far as I have been able
>> to tell (the latest ver. of Virtual Box is awesome and yummy open
>> source goodness...
>
>Did you miss all the news about the Java TCK and Apache, Hudson, etc.?
>OpenOffice development was stifled under both Sun and now Oracle.
>Contributing to it was insanely difficult, and LibreOffice is the
>solution to that.

I am still using OOo 3.2.1 but have been hearing about the LibreOffice
fork for some time now. A couple weeks ago I even went to their
website, but I was looking for feature comparisons and I couldn't find
it anywhere. All I can find is pages and pages of discussion of the
evils of proprietary software and the goodness of the LibreOffice fork
in contrast. That's interesting, but I'm just a desktop user and my
bottom line is whether it works better or not.

Does anyone know of a place that has a fairly detailed but not too
technical list of why one would want to use LibreOffice over OOo,
disregarding the open source issues. I am interested in what
LibreOffice offers that makes it easier to use, fewer bugs, features or
lack thereof. 

Also I am interested in whether distros will be modifying it, e.g., the
GOo mess. For example, I now always install OOo from the .deb files
downloaded from OOo because distros always cripple something. The last
incident was Installing 3.2.1 from the repos on a Fedora computer,
where Fedora decided to disable the AutoCorrect feature. 


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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:54:15 +, Anthony Campbell wrote:

> I'm using Sid. After OpenOffice broke during an upgrade I purged it and
> reinstalled, after which it returned to life as LibreOffice. There
> wasn't any warning about this transition; it just happened.

Good move IMO, being Sid.
 
> I googled some information about LibreOffice, which informs me that it
> is a fork of OpenOffice. 

Oracle was invited by The Document Project (LibreOffice hosters) to 
enjoy them but they rejected to parcipate.

> Its appearance in Sid seems to be fairly recent
> because not all mirrors have it. Is there any information about when and
> why Debian adopted this change? (Perhaps there was and I missed it.)

Changelog? :-)

http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org_3.3.0-5/changelog

Or package description:

***
Package: openoffice.org (1:3.3.0-5)
office productivity suite

This is a transitional package, replacing the OpenOffice.org packaging with 
the LibreOffice packaging.

It can be safely removed after an upgrade. 
***

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