Re: question for seasoned links users?

[tomas]

On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 07:11:31AM -, Curt wrote:

[...]

> I noted the personal nature of your vendetta but fail to admire your
> restraint in the matter, which you might have exercised earlier. But
> then you wouldn't have had the vain pleasure of its publicity here.
> 
> As far as obnoxiousness goes, few are, in my experience, in the same league
> as the OP.

TBH, your messages come across as pretty incisive at times (mine
possibly too, I do welcome constructive corrections myself).

No idea how much intention is behind that.

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Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Curt]

On 2022-09-18, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk  wrote:
>> >>>  
>> >>
>> >> It reads the screen, doesn't it, for the visually impaired? Screen
>> >> reader.  
>> >
>> > ahem, no.  
>> 
>> https://www.afb.org/blindness-and-low-vision/using-technology/assistive-technology-products/screen-readers#:~:text=Screen%20readers%20are%20software%20programs,its%20applications%2C%20and%20the%20user.
>> 
>> I think yes, not no. Ahem, yes, but more than that, you might've said.
>
> I think you're an obnoxious (choose your own insult here) that doesn't
> appear to contribute to the value of any conversations. But that's just
> my personal opinion and I expect it may offend policies here, so I'll
> stop now.
>
> [snip]
>
>

I noted the personal nature of your vendetta but fail to admire your
restraint in the matter, which you might have exercised earlier. But
then you wouldn't have had the vain pleasure of its publicity here.

As far as obnoxiousness goes, few are, in my experience, in the same league
as the OP.

Re: shellworld.net (for visually impaired users), (was: Re: question for seasoned links users?)

[tomas]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 04:18:48PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
[...]

> On Sun, 18 Sep 2022, jr wrote:
> 
> > hi,
> >
> > (sorry, late to the party :-))
> >
> > I don't think 'script' has been mentioned yet, a neat way (imo) to
> > record the console/terminal.
> >
> I like tee more than script since all ansi code is left in script output.
>  With tee, you get the text and stderr can also be sent through tee.

Script is most useful with scriptreplay and/or scriptlive. That helps
to cope with commands running around all over the terminal (curses apps,
for example) and even to keep timings.

They can also later be used with tee, if necessary -- best of both worlds :)

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Re: question for seasoned links users?

[tomas]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 10:20:18PM -0400, Maude Summerside wrote:

[...]

> I feel sorry for you because you are getting angry at the wrong person.
> You seem to have lots of frustration.

This seems unnecessary to me. Please, back to topic, pretty please.

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Re: question for seasoned links users?

[tomas]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 10:01:54PM +0100, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:

[...]

> I think you're an obnoxious (choose your own insult here) that doesn't
> appear to contribute to the value of any conversations. But that's just
> my personal opinion and I expect it may offend policies here, so I'll
> stop now.

Always remember: people (aka human beings) are offended. Not policies.
Humans try to put policies in place to mitigate that (and usually, this
makes sense, but as every human construct, it ain't perfect).

Try to behave as you preach :)

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Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Maude Summerside]

On 2022-09-18 13:39, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> I think my 30 plus years of lived experience, beats your capacitor to
> google.
> Given how this exchange has gone, I have little motivation to sensor my
> word choice for anyone.
> after all, I would no more diminish the racial discrimination 
> experiences of another with  a qualifier because I do not share them,
> then I would limit the focus of a technology via an ablest  perspective
> of a single consumer organization.
> More than a billion people on the planet experience  situations requiring
>  them to interact with the world uniquely... making your choice to
> decide your google knows more than my life a bit nonsensical.
> And Yes I top posted, tough noogies.
> 

I feel sorry for you because you are getting angry at the wrong person.
You seem to have lots of frustration.

-- 
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Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Corentin Bardet]

Le 18 Septembre 2022 à 23h01, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk a écrit :
> I think you're an obnoxious (choose your own insult here) that doesn't
> appear to contribute to the value of any conversations. But that's just
> my personal opinion and I expect it may offend policies here, so I'll
> stop now.

Damn those Debian mailing lists are *brutal*.
I'm here for the knowledge, all I get is the drama.

Peace,

-- 
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Re: question for seasoned links users?

[debian-user]

> On 2022-09-18, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> > Hi curt, others.
> >
> > On Sun, 18 Sep 2022, Curt wrote:  
> >> On 2022-09-17, Charles Curley 
> >> wrote:  
> >>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 11:19:51 -0400 (EDT)
> >>> Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> >>> Hi, Karen. It is possible that he didn't know what a screen
> >>> reader is, or missed its significance. I didn't know what a
> >>> screen reader is until I looked it up just now.
> >>>  
> >>
> >> It reads the screen, doesn't it, for the visually impaired? Screen
> >> reader.  
> >
> > ahem, no.  
> 
> https://www.afb.org/blindness-and-low-vision/using-technology/assistive-technology-products/screen-readers#:~:text=Screen%20readers%20are%20software%20programs,its%20applications%2C%20and%20the%20user.
> 
> I think yes, not no. Ahem, yes, but more than that, you might've said.

I think you're an obnoxious (choose your own insult here) that doesn't
appear to contribute to the value of any conversations. But that's just
my personal opinion and I expect it may offend policies here, so I'll
stop now.

[snip]

Re: shellworld.net (for visually impaired users), (was: Re: question for seasoned links users?)

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Back in 2008 or so, I wrote some software for a friend who was teaching at a 
B/VI school for kids in Austin, Texas.  There's still parts missing, and it's 
not been tidied up for max speed. And it was written in objective-c:

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffsb&q=objective-c&ia=web

for the Intel Macs of the time:

https://www.auraluserinterface.com/

It was done on the Mac because, in 2008, Macintosh computer speech was vastly 
better than Linux.  The source and the beeps and stuff are all available at the 
website.  

If you're 'reading' this with a screen reader and want to check it out:

w w w dot a u r a l u s e r i n t e r f a c e dot c o m

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Glenn English

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Re: shellworld.net (for visually impaired users), (was: Re: question for seasoned links users?)

[Jude DaShiell]

Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022, jr wrote:

> hi,
>
> (sorry, late to the party :-))
>
> I don't think 'script' has been mentioned yet, a neat way (imo) to
> record the console/terminal.
>
I like tee more than script since all ansi code is left in script output.
 With tee, you get the text and stderr can also be sent through tee.
>

Re: shellworld.net (for visually impaired users), (was: Re: question for seasoned links users?)

[jr]

hi,

(sorry, late to the party :-))

I don't think 'script' has been mentioned yet, a neat way (imo) to
record the console/terminal.

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Charles Curley]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 11:01:44 -0400 (EDT)
Karen Lewellen  wrote:

> At their best screen readers provide the equal of a monitor, not only 
> sharing screen content, but keystrokes, error  messages, and the like.
> Additionally, several populations benefit from them,  those with 
> experiences like dyslexia and other conditions impacting how
> information is processed by the brain.  Further, individuals with
> dexterity issues, paraplegics for example, use screen readers in
> combination  with other tools so they can control a device entirely
> via voice.  Some experiencing sight factors do the same  control a
> machine with their voice, using the screen reader to serve as the
> monitor.

Thank you for that clarification.

> I am not surprised the concept is new to Linux users.
> speaking personally, Linux inclusion for populations who interact
> with technology uniquely is quite  reprehensible.

I don't think it is unique to Linux users.

I last interacted with a blind person in the 1980s, so even though I am
familiar with her requirements, and the technologies she used (e.g.
Braille), screen readers were not in my view at the time. I have
learned something from you. Thank you.

Open Source Software is composed of contributions from its users.
Please consider contributing back, perhaps in the form of improvements
to the software you use.

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Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Jude DaShiell]

Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022, Curt wrote:

> On 2022-09-17, Charles Curley  wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 11:19:51 -0400 (EDT)
> > Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> >
> >> I supposed you missed the I am using a screen reader memo?
> >
> > Hi, Karen. It is possible that he didn't know what a screen reader is,
> > or missed its significance. I didn't know what a screen reader is until
> > I looked it up just now.
> >
>
> It reads the screen, doesn't it, for the visually impaired? Screen
> reader.
>
>
Since debian academy has no training on accessibility and screen readers
are an accessibility tool, I'm not at all surprised at the minimal
knowledge level in the wider debian community.
> >

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Karen Lewellen]

I think my 30 plus years of lived experience, beats your capacitor to 
google.
Given how this exchange has gone, I have little motivation to sensor my 
word choice for anyone.
after all, I would no more diminish the racial discrimination  experiences of another 
with  a qualifier because I do not share them, then I would limit the 
focus of a technology via an ablest  perspective of a single consumer 
organization.

More than a billion people on the planet experience  situations requiring
 them to interact with the world uniquely... making your choice to decide 
your google knows more than my life a bit nonsensical.

And Yes I top posted, tough noogies.



On Sun, 18 Sep 2022, Curt wrote:


On 2022-09-18, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi curt, others.

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022, Curt wrote:

On 2022-09-17, Charles Curley  wrote:

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 11:19:51 -0400 (EDT)
Karen Lewellen  wrote:
Hi, Karen. It is possible that he didn't know what a screen reader is,
or missed its significance. I didn't know what a screen reader is until
I looked it up just now.



It reads the screen, doesn't it, for the visually impaired? Screen
reader.


ahem, no.


https://www.afb.org/blindness-and-low-vision/using-technology/assistive-technology-products/screen-readers#:~:text=Screen%20readers%20are%20software%20programs,its%20applications%2C%20and%20the%20user.

I think yes, not no. Ahem, yes, but more than that, you might've said.

Screen readers are software programs that allow blind or visually impaired
users to read the text that is displayed on the computer screen with a speech
synthesizer or braille display.



At their best screen readers provide the equal of a monitor, not only
sharing screen content, but keystrokes, error  messages, and the like.
Additionally, several populations benefit from them,  those with
experiences like dyslexia and other conditions impacting how information
is processed by the brain.  Further, individuals with dexterity issues,
paraplegics for example, use screen readers in combination  with other
tools so they can control a device entirely via voice.  Some experiencing
sight factors do the same  control a machine with their voice, using the
screen reader to serve as the monitor.
I am not surprised the concept is new to Linux users.  speaking
personally, Linux inclusion for populations who interact with technology
uniquely is quite  reprehensible.
Kare




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Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Curt]

On 2022-09-18, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> Hi curt, others.
>
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2022, Curt wrote:
>> On 2022-09-17, Charles Curley  wrote:
>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 11:19:51 -0400 (EDT)
>>> Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> Hi, Karen. It is possible that he didn't know what a screen reader is,
>>> or missed its significance. I didn't know what a screen reader is until
>>> I looked it up just now.
>>>
>>
>> It reads the screen, doesn't it, for the visually impaired? Screen
>> reader.
>
> ahem, no.

https://www.afb.org/blindness-and-low-vision/using-technology/assistive-technology-products/screen-readers#:~:text=Screen%20readers%20are%20software%20programs,its%20applications%2C%20and%20the%20user.

I think yes, not no. Ahem, yes, but more than that, you might've said.

 Screen readers are software programs that allow blind or visually impaired
 users to read the text that is displayed on the computer screen with a speech
 synthesizer or braille display.


> At their best screen readers provide the equal of a monitor, not only 
> sharing screen content, but keystrokes, error  messages, and the like.
> Additionally, several populations benefit from them,  those with 
> experiences like dyslexia and other conditions impacting how information 
> is processed by the brain.  Further, individuals with dexterity issues, 
> paraplegics for example, use screen readers in combination  with other 
> tools so they can control a device entirely via voice.  Some experiencing 
> sight factors do the same  control a machine with their voice, using the 
> screen reader to serve as the monitor.
> I am not surprised the concept is new to Linux users.  speaking 
> personally, Linux inclusion for populations who interact with technology 
> uniquely is quite  reprehensible.
> Kare
>


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Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi curt, others.

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022, Curt wrote:

On 2022-09-17, Charles Curley  wrote:

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 11:19:51 -0400 (EDT)
Karen Lewellen  wrote:
Hi, Karen. It is possible that he didn't know what a screen reader is,
or missed its significance. I didn't know what a screen reader is until
I looked it up just now.



It reads the screen, doesn't it, for the visually impaired? Screen
reader.


ahem, no.
At their best screen readers provide the equal of a monitor, not only 
sharing screen content, but keystrokes, error  messages, and the like.
Additionally, several populations benefit from them,  those with 
experiences like dyslexia and other conditions impacting how information 
is processed by the brain.  Further, individuals with dexterity issues, 
paraplegics for example, use screen readers in combination  with other 
tools so they can control a device entirely via voice.  Some experiencing 
sight factors do the same  control a machine with their voice, using the 
screen reader to serve as the monitor.
I am not surprised the concept is new to Linux users.  speaking 
personally, Linux inclusion for populations who interact with technology 
uniquely is quite  reprehensible.

Kare

Re: shellworld.net (for visually impaired users), (was: Re: question for seasoned links users?)

[Karen Lewellen]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022, Greg Wooledge wrote:

However, the solution ultimately didn't involve any specific features
of links.  The problem was solved at a different layer (terminal
multiplexer).


Actually, no it did not, because our solution produced an error, with my 
ending up solving the problem  via another arena entirely given both my 
deadline, and the tangents making this about my body and tools instead.







This is why it's important for questioners to state their goals clearly,
and to give details about their operating environment(s).


Not when they state clearly  that they cannot use Debian directly, and are 
using a shell service, two of them in fact, the other provided by 
dreamhost, instead.

Re: shellworld.net (for visually impaired users), (was: Re: question for seasoned links users?)

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 12:23:19AM -0700, dmacdoug wrote:
> The OP addressed her question to "seasoned links users" so I'd say 
> those who have nothing constructive to contribute toward helping her 
> should just skip the thread if top posting makes them angry.

However, the solution ultimately didn't involve any specific features
of links.  The problem was solved at a different layer (terminal
multiplexer).

This is why it's important for questioners to state their goals clearly,
and to give details about their operating environment(s).

See also .

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Corentin Bardet]

Le 18 Septembre 2022 à 10h16, Curt  a écrit :
> It reads the screen, doesn't it, for the visually impaired? Screen
> reader.

Sorry for this (at least I’m not top posting…) but : *LMAO*

-- 
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Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Curt]

On 2022-09-17, Charles Curley  wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 11:19:51 -0400 (EDT)
> Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>
>> I supposed you missed the I am using a screen reader memo?
>
> Hi, Karen. It is possible that he didn't know what a screen reader is,
> or missed its significance. I didn't know what a screen reader is until
> I looked it up just now.
>

It reads the screen, doesn't it, for the visually impaired? Screen
reader.

Re: shellworld.net (for visually impaired users), (was: Re: question for seasoned links users?)

[dmacdoug]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 08:07:15AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 04:17:45PM -0400, Maude Summerside wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Screen reader or not, what don't you understand by STOP TOP POSTING ?
> 
> Look. I hate top posting as every other person. Especially in mailing
> lists, i think it's disruptive for longer threads.
> 
> But please, try to be polite about it, will you?
> 
> Cheers
> -- 
> t
Even more to the point, I'd say lay off the visually impaired poster
who is using a screen reader.  I don't use a screen reader, so maybe 
the OP or someone who does could confirm, but I think top posting 
probably is helpful to someone using a screen reader, particularly 
if people don't trim aggressively.  Isn't it true that the screen 
reader starts at the top?  So, unlike a sighted reader it might be 
more difficult to skim past the quoted text which you've already 
read through several times to get to the possibly helpful text at
the very bottom.  

The OP addressed her question to "seasoned links users" so I'd say 
those who have nothing constructive to contribute toward helping her 
should just skip the thread if top posting makes them angry.

D. MacDougall

Re: shellworld.net (for visually impaired users), (was: Re: question for seasoned links users?)

[tomas]

On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 04:17:45PM -0400, Maude Summerside wrote:

[...]

> Screen reader or not, what don't you understand by STOP TOP POSTING ?

Look. I hate top posting as every other person. Especially in mailing
lists, i think it's disruptive for longer threads.

But please, try to be polite about it, will you?

Cheers
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Re: shellworld.net (for visually impaired users), (was: Re: question for seasoned links users?)

[Lee]

On 9/17/22, Maude Summerside  wrote:
   <.. snip ..>
> Screen reader or not, what don't you understand by STOP TOP POSTING ?

*plonk*

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Charles Curley]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 11:19:51 -0400 (EDT)
Karen Lewellen  wrote:

> I supposed you missed the I am using a screen reader memo?

Hi, Karen. It is possible that he didn't know what a screen reader is,
or missed its significance. I didn't know what a screen reader is until
I looked it up just now.

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Re: shellworld.net (for visually impaired users), (was: Re: question for seasoned links users?)

[Maude Summerside]

On 2022-09-17 11:55, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Given in my first post I *stated was using a screen reader* the sight
> factor  was stated.
> Not that searching for shellworld contributed to my question being
> answered, or its solution.
> For the record, another company owns shellworld now.


Screen reader or not, what don't you understand by STOP TOP POSTING ?
-- 
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Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Jude DaShiell]

You don't name the screen shot.  Screen does that for you.  Look for a
file called hardcopy with a number suffix at its end.  If that file is
present and has more than 0 characters in it, you got what screen can do
for you.  To check screen's work, grep -i username on the file and grep -i
password on the file.  If you got lucky, both prompts will be in that
file.  wc -c hardcopy.1 to get the character count of the file.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 11:12:03AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > Jude,
> > On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >
> > > It's possible to run:
> > > screen links http://site.com
> > > on a single line then control+a-h to get the screen shot.
> > >
> > >
> > Hi there,
> > Just to confirm,
> > I can run  the screen  links site.com command on a single line, navigate to
> > the problem, then run the screen shot command?
> > How do I name the screenshot for sharing?
>
> OK.  Let's go through this step by step.  I have installed links, and I
> already had screen installed.
>
> I ran "screen".
>
> Inside that, I ran "links http://www.google.com/";.
>
> Once the main page of Google loaded, I pressed Ctrl-A h
>
> Screen prompted me for something like a filename, but it seemed to remove
> the prompt within a couple seconds, before I could copy it for email
> documentation purposes.  (I *hate* it when things don't give me time to
> read and ponder a question or an error message.)
>
> Because I didn't respond quickly enough to the prompt, screen assumed an
> answer, and generated a file named "hardcopy.0" in the current working
> directory.
>
> unicorn:~$ ls -l hardcopy.0
> -rw-r--r-- 1 greg greg 532 Sep 17 11:39 hardcopy.0
>
> If I cat this file, I see a copy of the text that's visible in the
> screen window, minus the boldface, reverse video and so on.  It's just
> the characters.
>
> Finally, I exited from links, and then from screen.
>
>

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Brad Rogers]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 11:40:47 -0400 (EDT)
Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hello Karen,

>You would lose that bet.

Yeah, I found that out;  I went back through some of your previous
messages where you mention that shellworld are a hosting service.  I'd
forgotten.

On the plus side, it would only have been a small bet.   A few pennies
(or cents, if you prefer) at most.  :-)

>I imagine that the actual owner, simply has privacy protection  on
>their registration...I certainly do for all of my domains.

As do I.  However, there are rules governing who can, and cannot, have
such info redacted.  The bigger the organisation, the harder it becomes
to maintain that privacy.  All of which leads me to conclude that
shellword is small operation.  Of course, that isn't always a bad thing.

Anyhow, this is all a distraction from your question, for which I
apologise.  A question for which I hope the suggested solution works out
okay.

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Re: shellworld.net (for visually impaired users), (was: Re: question for seasoned links users?)

[Karen Lewellen]

Given in my first post I *stated was using a screen reader* the sight 
factor  was stated.
Not that searching for shellworld contributed to my question being 
answered, or its solution.

For the record, another company owns shellworld now.



On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:


On Saturday, September 17, 2022 04:28:40 AM David wrote:

On Sat, 17 Sept 2022 at 16:07, Karen Lewellen 
Every other time when you have asked questions here, I have tried but
been unable to find any information at all about shellworld.net.


A google search for shellworld.net provides hints (I haven't seen a direct
description) that shellworld.net does something for blind / visually impaired
users.

Several hits talk about something named Cobra, and here is the first paragraph
describing some of the (braille related) equipment needed to cuse Cobra.

from:

http://www.shellworld.net/~cobra/equipment.html


Equipment Recommended for Use With COBRA

There are two types of recommended equipment for use with COBRA. “Essential
equipment” includes hardware and software that is vital for allowing instant
print-braille compatibility in all subjects, including math, science, and
foreign languages, and that permits text entry from both a QWERTY and a
braille keyboard, simultaneously if so desired. “Additional equipment
recommended” further enhances the student's integration, both at home and at
school.


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charge.)  If you change topics, change the Subject: line.

Writing is often meant for others to read and understand (legal agreements
excepted?) -- make it easier for your reader by various means, including
liberal use of whitespace and minimal use of (obscure?) jargon, abbreviations,
acronyms, and references.

If someone else has already responded to a question, decide whether any
response you add will be helpful or not ...

A picture is worth a thousand words -- divide by 10 for each minute of video
(or audio) or create a transcript and edit it to 10% of the original.

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Karen Lewellen]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Curt wrote:

That is not what is conventionally meant by a screenshot, which is a
digital image of a computer display. Maybe we should ask Karen what she wants
and what she means, specifically, by 'screenshot' before launch.

Because if all she wants and needs is a text dump, the goose chase has
been unnecessarily wild.


Indeed, what i do need is a screenshot.
I am documenting something presented when attempting to access a secured 
area of a site, for that site's owner.

They did not realize a username is still required.
So, just the text will not show them what the display presents.
Jude seems to have provided a method, via screen, to produce such a 
screenshot.

Karen

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 11:12:03AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Jude,
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> 
> > It's possible to run:
> > screen links http://site.com
> > on a single line then control+a-h to get the screen shot.
> > 
> > 
> Hi there,
> Just to confirm,
> I can run  the screen  links site.com command on a single line, navigate to
> the problem, then run the screen shot command?
> How do I name the screenshot for sharing?

OK.  Let's go through this step by step.  I have installed links, and I
already had screen installed.

I ran "screen".

Inside that, I ran "links http://www.google.com/";.

Once the main page of Google loaded, I pressed Ctrl-A h

Screen prompted me for something like a filename, but it seemed to remove
the prompt within a couple seconds, before I could copy it for email
documentation purposes.  (I *hate* it when things don't give me time to
read and ponder a question or an error message.)

Because I didn't respond quickly enough to the prompt, screen assumed an
answer, and generated a file named "hardcopy.0" in the current working
directory.

unicorn:~$ ls -l hardcopy.0 
-rw-r--r-- 1 greg greg 532 Sep 17 11:39 hardcopy.0

If I cat this file, I see a copy of the text that's visible in the
screen window, minus the boldface, reverse video and so on.  It's just
the characters.

Finally, I exited from links, and then from screen.

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Karen Lewellen]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Brad Rogers wrote:

Hello David,
Since a whois query comes back with "redacted for privacy" about almost
everything, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that the OP is the domain's
owner.



You would lose that bet.
Shellworld is a hosting service where I have both a personal shell 
account, and have my site hosted.
I imagine that the actual owner, simply has privacy protection  on their 
registration...I certainly do for all of my domains.




--
Regards  _
/ )  "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent"
   / _)rad   "Is it only me that has a working delete key?"
If Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway
(White Man) In Hammersmith Palais - The Clash

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi again,
On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:


Screen can be used more effectively than a photo I think.  If the hardcopy
is successful search for a file called hardcopy.n where n is a number and
it should be a larger size than 0.  wc -c hardcopy.1 if hardcopy.1 exists
would give the number of characters in that file and if that number is
greater than 0, you have some or all of your hardcopy available to send.


And here is the answer to my finding the file question.
would ls -l  work as well?
thanks,
Kare






Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, mick.crane wrote:


On 2022-09-17 07:20, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Yes, links is the browser to which I am referring.
As stated, I am attempting to help a site owner troubleshoot an issue,
that I  experience using links, the browser.


If it's a one off thing take a photo and send that.

mick

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Karen Lewellen]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, mick.crane wrote:

If it's a one off thing take a photo and send that.

mick



I supposed you missed the I am using a screen reader memo?
smiles,
Kare

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Curt]

On 2022-09-17, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk  wrote:
>> 
>> http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html#subsubch-save_as
>
> But if you try it, you'll see that saves the page as HTML, not as a
> snapshot of the displayed text.

What 'displayed text'? She asked for a *screenshot*. 

>>  Save as
>>  Stores the currently displayed page into a file. A dialog for
>> entering the filename will appear after calling this function. The
>> page will be saved under this filename. If the file already exists,
>> it will be overwritten.
>> 
>>  Save URL as
>>  Works like the previous function, with the difference that you will
>> be first asked for the URL of a page to download, and then for a
>> filename to store the page into. After both have been entered, the
>> page will be downloaded and saved.
>> 
>> Then, of course, there's the man page:
>> 
>>  -dump [0|1] (default: 0)
>>  Print formatted plain-text versions of given URLs to stdout.
>>  -dump-charset (alias for document.dump.codepage)
>>  Codepage used when formatting dump output.
>>  -dump-color-mode (alias for document.dump.color_mode)
>>  Color mode used with -dump.
>>  -dump-width (alias for document.dump.width)
>>  Width of the dump output.
>> 
>> https://linux.die.net/man/1/links
>
> And that of course helpfully points out at the top that its describing
> the behaviour of elinks rather than link itself.

So what?

>> Good luck.
>> 
>
>


-- 

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Karen Lewellen]

Jude,
On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:


It's possible to run:
screen links http://site.com
on a single line then control+a-h to get the screen shot.



Hi there,
Just to confirm,
I can run  the screen  links site.com command on a single line, navigate 
to the problem, 
then run the screen shot command?

How do I name the screenshot for sharing?
Thanks so much,
Karen



On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:


Yes, links is the browser to which I am referring.
As stated, I am attempting to help a site owner troubleshoot an issue, that I
experience using links, the browser.  I know a great deal about running   this
browser, but have never needed to capture information for someone else, who
relies on sight, instead of speech.
If there  is not a clear screenshot command, then perhaps the trace file
generated by lynx the cat, another browser, will help them.



On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, David wrote:


Hi Karen

When you refer to 'links' in the subject, do you mean the browser
documented at:
 http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html

The version of this browser in Debian stable is 2.21.
Is that what you are asking about?

If I look at the website of that project, it does have some screenshots,
but they look like they are all created outside of links itself.

When I read through the above documentation trying to help you, I did
not notice any mention of screenshots.

It is difficult to help you further without a more specific description of
exactly what you are asking.

For example...

The 'links' software can be run either:

1) natively in a GUI (graphical user interface)

2) in a virtual terminal running in a GUI

3) in a Linux console using a text UI

Screenshots can be made in any of those situations, but the method of
taking a screenshot will depend on which of those user interfaces you are
using.

If using #3, I would try running 'links' inside 'screen', which according
to its manpage offers a keystroke to "write a hardcopy of the current
window to a file", although I have not tested it.

'screen' is packaged for Debian.

Are you using Debian?

Similar comments might apply if you mean something different by 'links', as
I asked in my opening question.

Further assistance or more specific guidance might be possible if you
provide the information requested.

I remain hopeful that you will reply to my previous message.

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[debian-user]

> On 2022-09-17, David  wrote:
> >
> > The documentation website for 'links' is at:
> >   http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html
> >
> > and says:
> > "You will find here a complete guide for using the Links web
> > browser"
> >
> > and it contains nothing at all about a '-dump' option.  
> 
> http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html#subsubch-save_as

But if you try it, you'll see that saves the page as HTML, not as a
snapshot of the displayed text.

>  Save as
>  Stores the currently displayed page into a file. A dialog for
> entering the filename will appear after calling this function. The
> page will be saved under this filename. If the file already exists,
> it will be overwritten.
> 
>  Save URL as
>  Works like the previous function, with the difference that you will
> be first asked for the URL of a page to download, and then for a
> filename to store the page into. After both have been entered, the
> page will be downloaded and saved.
> 
> Then, of course, there's the man page:
> 
>  -dump [0|1] (default: 0)
>  Print formatted plain-text versions of given URLs to stdout.
>  -dump-charset (alias for document.dump.codepage)
>  Codepage used when formatting dump output.
>  -dump-color-mode (alias for document.dump.color_mode)
>  Color mode used with -dump.
>  -dump-width (alias for document.dump.width)
>  Width of the dump output.
> 
> https://linux.die.net/man/1/links

And that of course helpfully points out at the top that its describing
the behaviour of elinks rather than link itself.

> Good luck.
> 

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Curt]

On 2022-09-17, David  wrote:
>
> The documentation website for 'links' is at:
>   http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html
>
> and says:
> "You will find here a complete guide for using the Links web browser"
>
> and it contains nothing at all about a '-dump' option.

http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html#subsubch-save_as

 Save as
 Stores the currently displayed page into a file. A dialog for entering
 the filename will appear after calling this function. The page will be
 saved under this filename. If the file already exists, it will be
 overwritten.

 Save URL as
 Works like the previous function, with the difference that you will be
 first asked for the URL of a page to download, and then for a filename
 to store the page into. After both have been entered, the page will be
 downloaded and saved.

Then, of course, there's the man page:

 -dump [0|1] (default: 0)
 Print formatted plain-text versions of given URLs to stdout.
 -dump-charset (alias for document.dump.codepage)
 Codepage used when formatting dump output.
 -dump-color-mode (alias for document.dump.color_mode)
 Color mode used with -dump.
 -dump-width (alias for document.dump.width)
 Width of the dump output.

https://linux.die.net/man/1/links

Good luck.

shellworld.net (for visually impaired users), (was: Re: question for seasoned links users?)

[rhkramer]

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 04:28:40 AM David wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sept 2022 at 16:07, Karen Lewellen 
> Every other time when you have asked questions here, I have tried but
> been unable to find any information at all about shellworld.net.

A google search for shellworld.net provides hints (I haven't seen a direct 
description) that shellworld.net does something for blind / visually impaired 
users.

Several hits talk about something named Cobra, and here is the first paragraph 
describing some of the (braille related) equipment needed to cuse Cobra.

from:

http://www.shellworld.net/~cobra/equipment.html


Equipment Recommended for Use With COBRA

There are two types of recommended equipment for use with COBRA. “Essential 
equipment” includes hardware and software that is vital for allowing instant 
print-braille compatibility in all subjects, including math, science, and 
foreign languages, and that permits text entry from both a QWERTY and a 
braille keyboard, simultaneously if so desired. “Additional equipment 
recommended” further enhances the student's integration, both at home and at 
school. 


-- 
rhk

If you reply: snip, snip, and snip again; leave attributions; avoid HTML; 
avoid top posting; and keep it "on list".  (Oxford comma included at no 
charge.)  If you change topics, change the Subject: line. 

Writing is often meant for others to read and understand (legal agreements 
excepted?) -- make it easier for your reader by various means, including 
liberal use of whitespace and minimal use of (obscure?) jargon, abbreviations, 
acronyms, and references.

If someone else has already responded to a question, decide whether any 
response you add will be helpful or not ...

A picture is worth a thousand words -- divide by 10 for each minute of video 
(or audio) or create a transcript and edit it to 10% of the original.

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 04:03:11PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> I do not understand why you do not simply use the button on your computer
> keyboard; if you cannot easily use a Take Screenshot application within
> whatever operating system you are using to view the web page, on a standard
> 101 key USA format keyboard, in the top row of keys, above the arrow keys,
> is a key with ""PrtScr" on it. Press that, and see what happens, and, reply,
> stating whether that produces the result that you want.

She would have to be in a Desktop Environment (e.g. GNOME or LXDE),
or something similar, in order for that to work.

She refuses to tell us *what* her local operating environment is.  We
don't even know whether she's using Debian at any point in the chain,
either locally or remotely.  For all we know, she might be running
Windows locally and using PuTTY to ssh to her "shell service", where
she runs links.  Or she could be using the Linux console, without X
or Wayland, locally.  Or anything else.

I don't know why she won't just tell us.  It would greatly simplify
everything.

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[David]

On Sat, 17 Sept 2022 at 21:38, Curt  wrote:
> On 2022-09-17, Andrew M.A. Cater  wrote:

> > links does have the facility to dump the text to an output file.
>
> That is not what is conventionally meant by a screenshot, which is a
> digital image of a computer display. Maybe we should ask Karen what she wants
> and what she means, specifically, by 'screenshot' before launch.
>
> Because if all she wants and needs is a text dump, the goose chase has
> been unnecessarily wild.

Guessing games are hard. Regarding "unnecessarily" ...

The documentation website for 'links' is at:
  http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html

and says:
"You will find here a complete guide for using the Links web browser"

and it contains nothing at all about a '-dump' option.

In the absence of Karen advising what OS her Links is running
in, I doubted the wisdom of relying on a Linux manpage.

In the absence of Karen advising what OS her screen
output device is running in, we're not able to advise how
she could use that to screen capture, either.

I sincerely hope she can dump to a file on her shell account.

And then we can go back to talking about Debian.

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Dan Ritter]

Karen Lewellen wrote: 
> I suppose you are suggesting that links, the browser I am actually using,
> works like Firefox, the browser to which I have no access whatsoever?

No, I'm missing the context of your subject line in your message
body. My mistake.

-dsr-

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Curt]

On 2022-09-17, Andrew M.A. Cater  wrote:
>
> links does have the facility to dump the text to an output file.

That is not what is conventionally meant by a screenshot, which is a
digital image of a computer display. Maybe we should ask Karen what she wants
and what she means, specifically, by 'screenshot' before launch.

Because if all she wants and needs is a text dump, the goose chase has
been unnecessarily wild.

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 10:51:16PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Hi folks,
> Does the browser have  the ability to create a screenshot after a fashion?
> Need to document something for a site owner that will show for them, even if
> my screen reader presents it differently.
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
>

Hi Karen,

If I'm right, you have a visual impairment and you're relying on a screen
reader: you're the person who was also asking about reverse engineering
a DOS program a couple of weeks back, who is using WordPerfect and a Kurzweil
screen reading program?

I don't use links, though I have installed it to check. I normally use
elinks which is similarly capable. There's also lynx and w3m available
all of which will work in a console. I'm assuming you don't have a GUI,
have no use for a graphical browser - much of the advice from sighted
users may not be exactly relevant.

links does have the facility to dump the text to an output file.
You can force a dump of the page source, of the page as text (which
is close to what the screen reader will parse and includes alt-text
for images)

I'll use the BBC home page as an example because it should be well-formed
HTML, should have alt-text and be semantically correct :

links https://www.bbc.co.uk -dump > BBCfile

The -dump writes it to stdout (the output device, normally the screen) 
The > character redirects the output to a filename, here BBCfile
This command produces the formatted text output.

links https://www.bbc.co.uk -dump -force-html > BBChtml

This is the HTML - it may not include alt-text comments and some styling

links https://www.bbc.co.uk -source > BBCsource

This is the whole thing, HTML, CSS, no formatting just a stream of data.
[It reads like robot vomit].

The first one should give a text file output of the web page which should be 
readily understandable.

As far as the other browsers go, elinks is a later version forked from links
 which seems to have more advanced document dumping commands. I only really
read the man page but could try more for you if you wish, since I often
use elinks to test pages in text mode.

If you run any of these commands to output to a file, then you can
just mail the file to someone.

I hope this helps - happy to help with more if I can (my day job involves
me in accessibility and screen reader compatibility is very much in my
future :) )

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[David]

On Sat, 17 Sept 2022 at 19:21, Brad Rogers  wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 18:28:40 +1000 David  wrote:

> >been unable to find any information at all about shellworld.net.
> >If you could provide a link to any documentation or information
> >about shellworld.net,
>
> Since a whois query comes back with "redacted for privacy" about almost
> everything, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that the OP is the domain's
> owner.

Hi Brad

A ddg search for '@shellworld.net' reveals what look like
multiple user names.

In fact a couple of names I even recognise as Debian
users who participate here. So perhaps one of those folks
might be able to give us a technical description of exactly
what shellworld.net is, and what facilities it offers to its
users.

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Brad Rogers]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 18:28:40 +1000
David  wrote:

Hello David,

>been unable to find any information at all about shellworld.net.
>If you could provide a link to any documentation or information
>about shellworld.net,

Since a whois query comes back with "redacted for privacy" about almost
everything, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that the OP is the domain's
owner.

-- 
 Regards  _
 / )  "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent"
/ _)rad   "Is it only me that has a working delete key?"
If Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway
(White Man) In Hammersmith Palais - The Clash


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Re: question for seasoned links users?

[David]

On Sat, 17 Sept 2022 at 16:07, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi Karen

> While I respect those questions, they are not relevant to my question,

This belief of yours is incorrect.

> as
> It am asking specifically for a command associated with the Links browser.

We understand that. The Links browser does not appear to have such a
command, either in the documentation or in versions that we have access to.

So we are attempting to think of other ways to achieve your goal.

> I am using a shell service, I cannot use Debian directly.

One big obstacle is that we don't know what you mean by the
words 'shell service'.

Every other time when you have asked questions here, I have tried but
been unable to find any information at all about shellworld.net.
If you could provide a link to any documentation or information
about shellworld.net, that would be helpful. We just don't know
what you are talking about, until you give us more information.

If by 'shell service' you mean that you can run only sotware provided
by a third party, why don't you direct your question to them?
Because we don't know anything about what they provide.

Another alternative approach would be for you to describe your
problem, so that one of us could use links to visit the website
that you are having trouble with, and make a screenshot for you, and
email it to you.

We are helpful people. But, you have to help us to help you.

> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, David wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Sept 2022 at 12:51, Karen Lewellen  
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Does the browser have  the ability to create a screenshot after a fashion?
> >> Need to document something for a site owner that will show for them, even
> >> if my screen reader presents it differently.
> >
> > Hi Karen,
> >
> > So that we can help you effectively, please tell us exactly what
> > hardware and software you are using.
> > What version of Debian are you using?
> > If you are you using any software that is not provided by Debian
> > then please tell us exactly what that is too.
> >
> > Thanks.

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Bret Busby]

On 17/9/22 14:20, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Yes, links is the browser to which I am referring.
As stated, I am attempting to help a site owner troubleshoot an issue, 
that I  experience using links, the browser.  I know a great deal about 
running   this browser, but have never needed to capture information for 
someone else, who relies on sight, instead of speech.
If there  is not a clear screenshot command, then perhaps the trace file 
generated by lynx the cat, another browser, will help them.




On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, David wrote:


Hi Karen

When you refer to 'links' in the subject, do you mean the browser
documented at:
 http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html

The version of this browser in Debian stable is 2.21.
Is that what you are asking about?

If I look at the website of that project, it does have some screenshots,
but they look like they are all created outside of links itself.

When I read through the above documentation trying to help you, I did
not notice any mention of screenshots.

It is difficult to help you further without a more specific 
description of

exactly what you are asking.

For example...

The 'links' software can be run either:

1) natively in a GUI (graphical user interface)

2) in a virtual terminal running in a GUI

3) in a Linux console using a text UI

Screenshots can be made in any of those situations, but the method of
taking a screenshot will depend on which of those user interfaces you are
using.

If using #3, I would try running 'links' inside 'screen', which according
to its manpage offers a keystroke to "write a hardcopy of the current
window to a file", although I have not tested it.

'screen' is packaged for Debian.

Are you using Debian?

Similar comments might apply if you mean something different by 
'links', as

I asked in my opening question.

Further assistance or more specific guidance might be possible if you
provide the information requested.

I remain hopeful that you will reply to my previous message.






I do not understand why you do not simply use the button on your 
computer keyboard; if you cannot easily use a Take Screenshot 
application within whatever operating system you are using to view the 
web page, on a standard 101 key USA format keyboard, in the top row of 
keys, above the arrow keys, is a key with ""PrtScr" on it. Press that, 
and see what happens, and, reply, stating whether that produces the 
result that you want.


If you are not using a standard 101 key USA format keyboard, examine the 
keys on your keyboard, and look for a key that has the label "PrtScr" or 
"Print Screen", and, try that.


..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Jude DaShiell]

Screen can be used more effectively than a photo I think.  If the hardcopy
is successful search for a file called hardcopy.n where n is a number and
it should be a larger size than 0.  wc -c hardcopy.1 if hardcopy.1 exists
would give the number of characters in that file and if that number is
greater than 0, you have some or all of your hardcopy available to send.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, mick.crane wrote:

> On 2022-09-17 07:20, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > Yes, links is the browser to which I am referring.
> > As stated, I am attempting to help a site owner troubleshoot an issue,
> > that I  experience using links, the browser.
>
> If it's a one off thing take a photo and send that.
>
> mick
>
>

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[mick.crane]

On 2022-09-17 07:20, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Yes, links is the browser to which I am referring.
As stated, I am attempting to help a site owner troubleshoot an issue,
that I  experience using links, the browser.


If it's a one off thing take a photo and send that.

mick

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Jude DaShiell]

It's possible to run:
screen links http://site.com
on a single line then control+a-h to get the screen shot.



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Yes, links is the browser to which I am referring.
> As stated, I am attempting to help a site owner troubleshoot an issue, that I
> experience using links, the browser.  I know a great deal about running   this
> browser, but have never needed to capture information for someone else, who
> relies on sight, instead of speech.
> If there  is not a clear screenshot command, then perhaps the trace file
> generated by lynx the cat, another browser, will help them.
>
>
>
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, David wrote:
>
> > Hi Karen
> >
> > When you refer to 'links' in the subject, do you mean the browser
> > documented at:
> >  http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html
> >
> > The version of this browser in Debian stable is 2.21.
> > Is that what you are asking about?
> >
> > If I look at the website of that project, it does have some screenshots,
> > but they look like they are all created outside of links itself.
> >
> > When I read through the above documentation trying to help you, I did
> > not notice any mention of screenshots.
> >
> > It is difficult to help you further without a more specific description of
> > exactly what you are asking.
> >
> > For example...
> >
> > The 'links' software can be run either:
> >
> > 1) natively in a GUI (graphical user interface)
> >
> > 2) in a virtual terminal running in a GUI
> >
> > 3) in a Linux console using a text UI
> >
> > Screenshots can be made in any of those situations, but the method of
> > taking a screenshot will depend on which of those user interfaces you are
> > using.
> >
> > If using #3, I would try running 'links' inside 'screen', which according
> > to its manpage offers a keystroke to "write a hardcopy of the current
> > window to a file", although I have not tested it.
> >
> > 'screen' is packaged for Debian.
> >
> > Are you using Debian?
> >
> > Similar comments might apply if you mean something different by 'links', as
> > I asked in my opening question.
> >
> > Further assistance or more specific guidance might be possible if you
> > provide the information requested.
> >
> > I remain hopeful that you will reply to my previous message.
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Karen Lewellen]

Yes, links is the browser to which I am referring.
As stated, I am attempting to help a site owner troubleshoot an issue, 
that I  experience using links, the browser.  I know a great deal about 
running   this browser, but have never needed to capture information for 
someone else, who relies on sight, instead of speech.
If there  is not a clear screenshot command, then perhaps the trace file 
generated by lynx the cat, another browser, will help them.




On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, David wrote:


Hi Karen

When you refer to 'links' in the subject, do you mean the browser
documented at:
 http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html

The version of this browser in Debian stable is 2.21.
Is that what you are asking about?

If I look at the website of that project, it does have some screenshots,
but they look like they are all created outside of links itself.

When I read through the above documentation trying to help you, I did
not notice any mention of screenshots.

It is difficult to help you further without a more specific description of
exactly what you are asking.

For example...

The 'links' software can be run either:

1) natively in a GUI (graphical user interface)

2) in a virtual terminal running in a GUI

3) in a Linux console using a text UI

Screenshots can be made in any of those situations, but the method of
taking a screenshot will depend on which of those user interfaces you are
using.

If using #3, I would try running 'links' inside 'screen', which according
to its manpage offers a keystroke to "write a hardcopy of the current
window to a file", although I have not tested it.

'screen' is packaged for Debian.

Are you using Debian?

Similar comments might apply if you mean something different by 'links', as
I asked in my opening question.

Further assistance or more specific guidance might be possible if you
provide the information requested.

I remain hopeful that you will reply to my previous message.

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Karen Lewellen]

While I respect those questions, they are not relevant to my question, as 
It am asking specifically for a command associated with the Links browser.

I am using a shell service, I cannot use Debian directly.



On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, David wrote:


On Sat, 17 Sept 2022 at 12:51, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


Does the browser have  the ability to create a screenshot after a fashion?
Need to document something for a site owner that will show for them, even
if my screen reader presents it differently.


Hi Karen,

So that we can help you effectively, please tell us exactly what
hardware and software you are using.
What version of Debian are you using?
If you are you using any software that is not provided by Debian
then please tell us exactly what that is too.

Thanks.

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Tim Woodall]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:


Hi folks,
Does the browser have  the ability to create a screenshot after a fashion?
Need to document something for a site owner that will show for them, even if 
my screen reader presents it differently.

Thanks,
Karen




I've never used links, preferring lynx, but if it doesn't have things
like --dump (or that doesn't work for the site) then you could run it
inside screen (or tmux) and take a screenshot that way.

ctrl-a h
in screen to take a screenshoot.

Tim.

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Maude Summerside]

On 2022-09-16 23:15, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> I suppose you are suggesting that links, the browser I am actually
> using, works like Firefox, the browser to which I have no access
> whatsoever?
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Dan Ritter wrote:
> 
>> Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>> Does the browser have  the ability to create a screenshot after a
>>> fashion?
>>> Need to document something for a site owner that will show for them,
>>> even if
>>> my screen reader presents it differently.
>>
>> Firefox has ctrl-shift-S to take a screenshot.
>>
>> It pops up a menu asking you whether you want to save the full
>> webpage or the visible area, and requires a click to download,
>> copy to clipboard, or cancel.
>>
>> -dsr-
>>
>>
> 
Please don't "top post" this make it un-easy to follow for others.
-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[davidson]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi folks,
Does the browser have  the ability to create a screenshot after a fashion?


Full disclosure: I have never used the "links" text browser.

I very quickly searched the following page for any indication that the
links browser has a function analogous to lynx's "print to file", but
saw none:

http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html

If I wanted to do what you describe using the links browser, I would
try to use GNU screen to make what the GNU screen man page calls a
"hardcopy".

That is, I would

 1. First, start GNU screen in a terminal, and then
 2. in that screen session I would launch links,
 3. then navigate to the page I wanted to screenshot,
 4. and finally, use screen to make a "hardcopy" of the content of that 
terminal window.

Need to document something for a site owner that will show for them, even if 
my screen reader presents it differently.

Thanks,
Karen



--
Ce qui est important est rarement urgent
et ce qui est urgent est rarement important
-- Dwight David Eisenhower

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[David]

Hi Karen

When you refer to 'links' in the subject, do you mean the browser
documented at:
  http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html

The version of this browser in Debian stable is 2.21.
Is that what you are asking about?

If I look at the website of that project, it does have some screenshots,
but they look like they are all created outside of links itself.

When I read through the above documentation trying to help you, I did
not notice any mention of screenshots.

It is difficult to help you further without a more specific description of
exactly what you are asking.

For example...

The 'links' software can be run either:

1) natively in a GUI (graphical user interface)

2) in a virtual terminal running in a GUI

3) in a Linux console using a text UI

Screenshots can be made in any of those situations, but the method of
taking a screenshot will depend on which of those user interfaces you are
using.

If using #3, I would try running 'links' inside 'screen', which according
to its manpage offers a keystroke to "write a hardcopy of the current
window to a file", although I have not tested it.

'screen' is packaged for Debian.

Are you using Debian?

Similar comments might apply if you mean something different by 'links', as
I asked in my opening question.

Further assistance or more specific guidance might be possible if you
provide the information requested.

I remain hopeful that you will reply to my previous message.

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[David]

On Sat, 17 Sept 2022 at 12:51, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

> Does the browser have  the ability to create a screenshot after a fashion?
> Need to document something for a site owner that will show for them, even
> if my screen reader presents it differently.

Hi Karen,

So that we can help you effectively, please tell us exactly what
hardware and software you are using.
What version of Debian are you using?
If you are you using any software that is not provided by Debian
then please tell us exactly what that is too.

Thanks.

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Dan Ritter]

Karen Lewellen wrote: 
> Does the browser have  the ability to create a screenshot after a fashion?
> Need to document something for a site owner that will show for them, even if
> my screen reader presents it differently.

Firefox has ctrl-shift-S to take a screenshot.

It pops up a menu asking you whether you want to save the full
webpage or the visible area, and requires a click to download,
copy to clipboard, or cancel.

-dsr-

Re: question for seasoned links users?

[Karen Lewellen]

I suppose you are suggesting that links, the browser I am actually using, 
works like Firefox, the browser to which I have no access whatsoever?




On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Dan Ritter wrote:


Karen Lewellen wrote:

Does the browser have  the ability to create a screenshot after a fashion?
Need to document something for a site owner that will show for them, even if
my screen reader presents it differently.


Firefox has ctrl-shift-S to take a screenshot.

It pops up a menu asking you whether you want to save the full
webpage or the visible area, and requires a click to download,
copy to clipboard, or cancel.

-dsr-

question for seasoned links users?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi folks,
Does the browser have  the ability to create a screenshot after a fashion?
Need to document something for a site owner that will show for them, even 
if my screen reader presents it differently.

Thanks,
Karen