Re: typescript of terminal session (was: Was: Ric Moore)
On 1/19/15, Alberto Luaces wrote: > Richard Owlett writes: > >> Gene Heskett wrote: >>> On Sunday 18 January 2015 18:21:02 Mart van de Wege did opine >>> >>> I have attempted that, several times in the past 5 or 6 years. The list >>> of stuff it will also remove is usually several printed pages, IF you >>> could actually get a printout. Unfortunately, you can't even copy/paste >>> for a record from that screen by any method but a screen snapshot >>> series. >>> [snip] >> >> I had a similar problem some time back. >> Someone pointed me to a utility that saved everything sent to a >> console window. >> It was not "redirection" nor a "pipe" as the console retained all its >> functionality. >> >> The procedure was: >> start the utility in the console specifying a destination file >> run arbitrary number of commands >> [the utility recording input keystrokes and resulting output] >> terminate the utility >> close console if desired >> >> I understand the typical use of the utility is in a classroom >> situation where instructor needs to see exactly what the student >> did. I know I saved the message but I can't come up with keywords to >> retrieve it. >> > > "script" in bsdutils package? I just tried a long shot with "apt-cache search record terminal" Got back couple interesting looking things. That one on top is right where it showed up, top of the search. Haven't downloaded and tested but description sure fits. :) asciinema - Record and share your terminal sessions, the right way fbterm - A fast framebuffer based terminal emulator for Linux irssi-scripts - collection of scripts for irssi libterm-filter-perl - Perl module to run an interactive terminal session, filtering input and output libutempter-dev - A privileged helper for utmp/wtmp updates (development) libutempter0 - A privileged helper for utmp/wtmp updates (runtime) lifelines - text-based genealogy software nama - Ecasound-based multitrack recorder/mixer python-colorlog - formatter to use with the logging module of Python 2 python3-colorlog - formatter to use with the logging module of Python 3 shelr - Utility for plain text screencasting ttyrec - Terminal interaction recorder and player (for tty) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kBResq0xM_P7+NZXq5P35ogTinMew6=x8eyt111gc6...@mail.gmail.com
Re: typescript of terminal session (was: Was: Ric Moore)
On 1/19/15, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > > I just tried a long shot with "apt-cache search record terminal" > > Got back couple interesting looking things. That one on top is right > where it showed up, top of the search. Haven't downloaded and tested > but description sure fits. :) > > asciinema - Record and share your terminal sessions, the right way > fbterm - A fast framebuffer based terminal emulator for Linux > irssi-scripts - collection of scripts for irssi > libterm-filter-perl - Perl module to run an interactive terminal > session, filtering input and output > libutempter-dev - A privileged helper for utmp/wtmp updates (development) > libutempter0 - A privileged helper for utmp/wtmp updates (runtime) > lifelines - text-based genealogy software > nama - Ecasound-based multitrack recorder/mixer > python-colorlog - formatter to use with the logging module of Python 2 > python3-colorlog - formatter to use with the logging module of Python 3 > shelr - Utility for plain text screencasting > ttyrec - Terminal interaction recorder and player (for tty) Well, I was going to segregate this out but realized it should just stay here. Ok, sooo... I went ahead and tried asciinema. FAIR WARNING: When it asks you if you want to upload your session, it *uploads* your session *onto the Net*: https://asciinema.org/a/15577 I am *so* grateful I didn't get the bright idea to type anything foul. It's relatively small as a download, some 400+ KB, I think it was. Not knowing any better, I just typed in "asciinema" and ran with it. That worked, but their website says use "asciinema rec" with a notation that that is the default if a user does what I did.. It was freaky, in fact just this side of instantly frightening for a few minutes after I realized something I was innocently typing privately here in a terminal hit the Net that fast in its raw form. After watching the video cast and realizing it appeared reasonably "safe", I tried the login button. They send a link, you click it, and boom, you've got a profile pic pulled from Facebook if you use that. That asciicast I did by accident was just sitting out there. To claim something like that, you type "asciiname auth" which then provides you with a URL you visit. I followed the process, and that asciicast is now attached to my new account. Privacy wise this has a definite "heebie-jeebie" feeling attached to it. Maybe it's old hat to other list members, and that feeling is just because I'm new to a lot of this type of thing yet. :) Speaking of privacy, one of the threads I saw last couple days was about password quality here on home computers. I saw the exchange about to share or not share user and hostName kind of things. This shares it.. IN FACT part of the initial "shock" was it instantly created a user name of "elf" for my at that second anonymous asciicast sitting on their server Hope you find what you're looking for.. Just thought I'd better type this up since the experience was anything but what I was expecting coming into it cold. I do think I like it. I can see a great educational tool aspect to it.. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kCF=wkPoTF6JPygLKChncxM3Y0=a74pqzwlswzvl9k...@mail.gmail.com
Re: typescript of terminal session (was: Was: Ric Moore)
Am editing an important *oops* where a command is misspelled. Not sure the proper protocol for doing this so will addend it up here. "asciiname auth" should read "asciinema auth"..: On 1/20/15, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > On 1/19/15, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: >> >> I just tried a long shot with "apt-cache search record terminal" >> >> Got back couple interesting looking things. That one on top is right >> where it showed up, top of the search. Haven't downloaded and tested >> but description sure fits. :) >> >> asciinema - Record and share your terminal sessions, the right way >> fbterm - A fast framebuffer based terminal emulator for Linux >> irssi-scripts - collection of scripts for irssi >> libterm-filter-perl - Perl module to run an interactive terminal >> session, filtering input and output >> libutempter-dev - A privileged helper for utmp/wtmp updates (development) >> libutempter0 - A privileged helper for utmp/wtmp updates (runtime) >> lifelines - text-based genealogy software >> nama - Ecasound-based multitrack recorder/mixer >> python-colorlog - formatter to use with the logging module of Python 2 >> python3-colorlog - formatter to use with the logging module of Python 3 >> shelr - Utility for plain text screencasting >> ttyrec - Terminal interaction recorder and player (for tty) > > > Well, I was going to segregate this out but realized it should just stay > here. > > Ok, sooo... I went ahead and tried asciinema. FAIR WARNING: When it > asks you if you want to upload your session, it *uploads* your session > *onto the Net*: > > https://asciinema.org/a/15577 > > I am *so* grateful I didn't get the bright idea to type anything foul. > > It's relatively small as a download, some 400+ KB, I think it was. Not > knowing any better, I just typed in "asciinema" and ran with it. That > worked, but their website says use "asciinema rec" with a notation > that that is the default if a user does what I did.. > > It was freaky, in fact just this side of instantly frightening for a > few minutes after I realized something I was innocently typing > privately here in a terminal hit the Net that fast in its raw form. > > After watching the video cast and realizing it appeared reasonably > "safe", I tried the login button. They send a link, you click it, and > boom, you've got a profile pic pulled from Facebook if you use that. > > That asciicast I did by accident was just sitting out there. To claim > something like that, you type "asciinema auth" [EDITED FOR > SPELLING] which then provides you > with a URL you visit. I followed the process, and that asciicast is > now attached to my new account. > > Privacy wise this has a definite "heebie-jeebie" feeling attached to > it. Maybe it's old hat to other list members, and that feeling is just > because I'm new to a lot of this type of thing yet. :) > > Speaking of privacy, one of the threads I saw last couple days was > about password quality here on home computers. I saw the exchange > about to share or not share user and hostName kind of things. This > shares it.. IN FACT part of the initial "shock" was it instantly > created a user name of "elf" for my at that second anonymous asciicast > sitting on their server > > Hope you find what you're looking for.. Just thought I'd better type > this up since the experience was anything but what I was expecting > coming into it cold. I do think I like it. I can see a great > educational tool aspect to it.. :) > > Cindy :) > > -- > Cindy-Sue Causey > Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA > > * runs with plastic sporks * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kBiF9kCmfVxPTdCbG8GVZtB+H2Zca2=dwb-z-oq=yr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop
On 1/22/15, Jarle Aase wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > If you look for an older laptop, Lenovo ThinkPad may be a good choise. > The 12" models are relatively portable, and the build quality is > fabulous. I've had my old X60T for about 9 years now, and it's still in > daily use. I have changed the disk a few times, the fan once and the > battery twice. > > Unfortunately, Lenovo does not support Linux as an option for the > ThinkPad series. But all models I have came across works well with > Debian and other distributions. (Watch out for the cheaper ThinkPade > Edge series - I have some really bad experiences with some of those). Mine's Lenovo ThinkPad T61 secondhand. 15" (give or take). Have had it about a year and a half. I LOVE IT.. Dogs sent it for a tumble again last night. "Fairly" soft landing but still. Dogs apparently shook loose some errant wild bird seed so some keys crunch when you click them, otherwise all else is well. It's happened a few times now, *oops*, but this ThinkPad AND hard drive sure keeps on ticking. :) ~90GB partition with personal files stored elsewhere, 2GB memory. Extremely minimal Debian. I debootstrapped Jessie then added Xfce, Xfce Goodies, Libreoffice, GIMP, Inkscape, Openshot, xine, and a *small* selection of various other *small* programs, mainly tool type programs as the need arises. Fan runs so little, I forget that it was a HUGE problem with a variety of other distros until this new setup. Pretty much only Openshot movie editor that gets the fan kicked on these days. LOVE IT.. :) FYI, there's also a Debian laptop list if you're interested in it in addition to Debian-User: https://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ Good luck.. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cao1p-kdwefsddek+_jqnlrvj03whza2msmmgx1uhwqkhe6j...@mail.gmail.com
Re: typescript of terminal session (was: Was: Ric Moore)
On 1/22/15, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 02:41:10AM -0500, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: >> >> Ok, sooo... I went ahead and tried asciinema. FAIR WARNING: When it >> asks you if you want to upload your session, it *uploads* your session >> *onto the Net*: >> >> https://asciinema.org/a/15577 > > That doesn't sound too good. Not only that but I've tried it a few more times... It... if you have an active sudo session running and then start it as an afterthought, you have to enter your password again. ? Cindy -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kAoRU9d9Sbtmh_-UW=pd3tTK24ks34JYvG=Drkmp=z...@mail.gmail.com
Re: typescript of terminal session (was: Was: Ric Moore)
On 1/23/15, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > On 1/22/15, Chris Bannister wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 02:41:10AM -0500, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: >>> >>> Ok, sooo... I went ahead and tried asciinema. FAIR WARNING: When it >>> asks you if you want to upload your session, it *uploads* your session >>> *onto the Net*: >>> >>> https://asciinema.org/a/15577 >> >> That doesn't sound too good. > > > Not only that but I've tried it a few more times... It... if you have > an active sudo session running and then start it as an afterthought, > you have to enter your password again. > > ? The *only* thing keeping the heebie-jeebies from running all OVER me right now is exactly the topic of the nearby "Q: Best Practices for 3rd party APT sources for security considerations?" thread. My /etc/apt/sources.list has *one* single line in it that points straight to the mother ship, Debian.org.. *TRUST* ? Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kAbEkG0fpsGFCr3POJO3pHLunUsLBY=irtpk-yjpvn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Installing Debian on a Mac
On 1/26/15, Dan Ritter wrote: > > You have several options. > > 1. You can run Debian in a virtual machine. > > 2. You can repartition your disk(s) and install Debian in a > dual-boot. > > 3. You can wipe Mac OS and install Debian by itself. > > In any of those scenarios, you can encrypt the Debian partitions > and make them secure enough to hold patient data. I *LOVE* partitioning.. Heard of it but was actually afraid to take that step for years, primarily because I didn't understand how it functioned. Finally taught myself how to do it about a year and a half ago. It is *so* nice to have a couple operating system options ready to go on the same single hard drive AND be able to separate out personal user shtuff nearby on the same. Total win in my case is it makes messing up and having to reinstall not so painful *each* time it happens. Personal pics and things remain safe on the one partition, and there's the secondary, functional operating system right there to work from on a second partition while rebuilding the damaged system residing on the third. *grin* Good luck :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kDts=rna_2rmsufzawba+aqqwvcna91w5f7jokw3e8...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Glibc 2.15 not found?
On 1/29/15, Ric Moore wrote: > On 01/29/2015 02:08 PM, Sven Hartge wrote: >> Stephen wrote: >> >>> I wouldn't mind building it by hand, I'm trying to get more 'hands on' >>> (pun completely intended) with Debian. I am just a novice user though >>> so I have a very faint clue what your talking about... >> >> If you are a novice user, the glibc is the _last_ thing you want to mess >> with. > > Jessie is completely stable, according to my experience. You will be > better off just doing a fresh install, after backing up personal files. I was thinking the exact same thing, that Jessie has proved stable *for me*. That's a disclaimer intended to mean everyone's own experience can and will vary.. Jessie's in fact *so stable* for me, I'm actually bored. I debootstrapped Sid couple hours ago and am just running through my inbox before attempting to set Sid up tonight. After years of doing these kinds of things every possible way wrong, my most likely path now in a situation like this would be to go the route of installing the whole new newer release (upgrade) if that is the only place the desired package is found. With installing a whole new unified release, everything is intended to work together rather than, for example, us users trying to shove one of Jessie's new square pegs into a potentially non-existent old round hole in Wheezy. And I would be doing the above *KNOWING* Jessie is still labeled as *testing* which means not guaranteed stable even though many of us are finding it works well right now. Good luck whichever route you go! Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * Installing Sid?! Got a fire extinguisher handy just in case? CHECK! * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cao1p-kag47t8abswgsowpx1x4af8vzb--zgbnqektegqxyx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Sound in Jessie
On 1/31/15, Paul E Condon wrote: > > Anyway, it would be nice to have fully functional sound. My compute is > a HP Pentium desktop several years old, nothing special, but it is the > best computer I have ever had, so I expect to be keeping it thru the > life of Jessie, and beyond. > > For now, I can, with adequate guidance, do testing of the new sound for > today. Is there anything of interest to the developers who are working > the sound system issues? > > The GStreamer message goes on to suggest: > Some sound system specific GStreamer packages may be missing. It may > also be a permissions problem. > > What is the package set that should be installed in Jessie? Maybe now > is a good time to find out. Where should I look? Hi, Paul, I don't have any help, any answers but couldn't help writing after seeing the permissions thing. I never thought about that. I'm running into that with something now for Sid. Root doesn't have permissions for an apparent common installation activity, but I don't think it's as simple as that. [EDIT: Then again, it might be?] Sound not working because of permissions. My wvdial for dialup was like that. I had a *_CHOICE_* of running wvdial as root which seemed a really bad idea or of making some change to match the user which can be done just as wrongly, too. Can't remember what I did, though. I THINK I remember thinking it wasn't the wisest decision and that the topic's on a mental *to-do* list to find the *RIGHT WAY* to make wvdial work for a non-root user.. Groups memberships was one thing that honestly occurred to me for this audio problem since I'm messing with groups while setting my stuff up via debootstrap. It's amazing to me what our users need to be part of for things to work properly. Does having to add users to a specific group ring a bell with anyone related to audio? I'm feeling very confident asking that because I've just quickly glanced over this Ubuntu page that touches exactly that: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1324951&page=2&p=10741579#post10741579 The fix the user there suggested for the exact same error message was: usermod -aG audio [user] This thread is familiar. If you all already addressed that as a possible solution last time, my apologies in advance. I figure exposure to that we have to mess around with groups sometimes might help a newer user anyway so repetition is a win in that respect. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * Sid and I are... having a family spat right now * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cao1p-kasvrcx_80as_bp9b8etw+_vtbkrfhv06oohfn-zuq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: GRUB legal disclaimers before the menu
On 2/3/15, Reco wrote:
>
> Try putting a disclaimer inside the menuentry, i.e.
>
> menuentry "" {
> echo 'You shouldn't be here'
> }
Reco's suggestion was what came to mind to me. I've "played" with
creating custom entries for my GRUB. Accomplished it via
/etc/grub.d/40_custom.
If you go that route, you'll see something like the following as a default:
"#!/bin/sh
exec tail -n +3 $0
# This file provides an easy way to add custom menu entries. Simply type the
# menu entries you want to add after this comment. Be careful not to change
# the 'exec tail' line above."
Leave that so you remember not to touch it. Directly below it, try
copying an entire entry from /boot/grub/grub.cfg. Find one from the
middle'ish on down that looks familiar to you, that is recognizable so
you can note the differences as you play with it.
Copy the familiar entry from where it says "menuentry" all the way
through to its respective closing "}". You'll need all of it. For now,
just alter your echo message until you get the hang of it.
A quick CTRL+F of your /boot/grub/grub.cfg file MIGHT show you a
pre-existing example of placement but your needs will be different. It
sounds like you're wanting yours to be immediate where the others
appear a tiny bit deeper into the very quick boot process based on
what I'm seeing in my system specific file.
With the /etc/grub.d/40_custom and related files, your *custom*
changes stay put. If you just alter the /boot/grub/grub.cfg which can
be an option, those changes *disappear*, are replaced the next time
you update grub.
Which, by the way, is what you need to do lastly after creating your
custom changes, or those changes won't appear at boot. You'll need to
update-grub to finish the process out.
The other thing it FEELS LIKE you would need is for that to be the
default. Have never had a need to do that so have no clue how to
accomplish that one with custom entries.. (yet), but surely there's a
tweak for that. :)
Cindy :)
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Re: Debian 7.1 root password issue.
On 2/2/15, Wayne Hartell wrote: > Michael Collins wrote: > >> Log in with the user account. Left-click the user account name (upper >> right corner), select system settings, select user, left-click Unlock. >> Enter the root password. Change the user account to an administrator. >> > > As a new Linux/Debian user I have been doing the "not recommended" thing (at > least I think it says it's not recommended; it has been a while since my > last install) thing of not setting a password for root. That way there's no > hoops to jump through to the installer puts my intended user account into > the sudoers list. Now the steps to do this manually are re-described above I > realize that under Gnome it's not actually that hard to do (when making my > install selections I had memories of the manual way trying to edit the > sudoers file, which for a new user is a little daunting. I recall it taking > me a few attempts to get it to work. The installer gave me an easy way out). > > > That brings me to my point; due to my installer choices, I cannot log in > under root on the three systems that I have installed so far. Right now I > have no reason to believe that this is or ever will be an issue since I can > use sudo and that feels safer to me. Does anyone have any different opinions > on this? (These are home systems and predominantly for learning Linux/Debian > at this point, as opposed to being core systems that are depended upon for > daily use, although one day in the not too distant future I hope to change > this). My apologies if this has already been suggested or if you've already mentioned you tried it, but have you tried: passwd root via command line as one of your users that has rights to do so? You enter a password, enter it again to confirm, and done deal. It seems a little too easy to do, actually. Every time I do it, my mind wanders off thinking how easy it is to change if someone gains control of one of our sudo enabled user accounts... Just thinking out loud :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * Sid's down the street at the local hotel-motel-boatel right now. We're trying to patch things up. * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cao1p-kdkkn_pxkv_6glpnrbc3oxkmlnsnlsut37o2iaougn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Epiphany installation
On 2/7/15, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > > For me epiphany 3.14.1 opens up normally under normal user account. > With root account, I see the following display error. > > rajulocal@hogwarts ~/learning % su > Password: > root@hogwarts:/home/rajulocal/learning# epiphany > No protocol specified > > ** (epiphany:6290): WARNING **: Could not open X display > No protocol specified > Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused > Failed to parse arguments: Cannot open display: Your "no protocol" there triggered this thought. I've (re)encountered that a few times in last few days. While working through my latest debootstrapping, ended up in root having to use a browser again to find fixes for problems. Just tried it via a terminal (sudo su). Am getting a little bit different message I'm also remembering: "Please start Chromium as a normal user. To run as root, you must specify an alternate --user-data-dir for storage of profile information." There's a different message I get, too, but can't remember it. Basically the gist of that one I THINK was something like... root doesn't belong doing some activities and so is not defaulted to be able to do so. Games is an example there. What I've read into those messages is what I've seen echoed across the Net. Root is intended as a get in, git-r-done, and get out before you hurt something kind of deal. It's not primarily intended for day-to-day tasking. It's all about security and/or protecting ourselves from our own accidental slips of the Fingertips while working under the hood. Just thinking out loud because this situation sounded like it has potential to at least in part be something similar.. Cindy -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * Sid just showed up w/5 pounds of chocolate and two dozen roses. We're trying to... patch things up. PS What is this "we were on a break" he keeps muttering under his breath? * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kAVo1w6vF0eoYp4MLMd=8bwwl7byuougjqezxxuaus...@mail.gmail.com
Re: I screwed up gdm3, can't recover - need help with systemctl - more details
On 2/8/15, Bob Proulx wrote: > songbird wrote: >> Thomas H. George wrote: >> ... >> > Following previous suggestions installed both xdm and kdm. If >> > default-display-manager is set to xdm when xdm is started I get the >> > Debian login window and can only login as root. The login is successful >> > to the gnome desktop. Tried to switch users but could not. Exited. >> >> ok, so root works under xdm. > > Which means it is not an X problem and not a system level problem. > Which means the problem is probably something related to the desktop > in the user $HOME/.config and other files. > > If you create a fresh pristine new user "anothertom" or some such does > it all work for that new user? If so then the problem is not system > related but corruption of files in the $HOME. Coming in at the VERY tail end of this. My deepest apologies if this has already been said. I JUST went through something similarly different yesterday with Sid. Not sure the how or what of how my situation came to be, but in the middle of it I remembered there was a default example somewhere for profiles. That default is within /etc/skel. Those are .bashrc, .profile, and .bash_logout. I copied those over, and it still didn't work.. So I went back in as root and just sat there staring at various files under a new user's home directory that worked properly and my desired user's home directory that didn't. File permissions were different. The one not working still belonged to root. *smacking head* I changed that, and have been smokin' along as my desired user profile within Sid ever since. Might not fix what's going on for OP here, but figured it might work for someone with another "similarly different" problem when they stumble on this thread in the archives... Good luck! Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * falls on face occasionally * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kATF8EcPxijiJ0k-kiRGosud8zVmdsK68HbQ65grZoo=q...@mail.gmail.com
Permanent Fave: apt-show-versions -u (Was: help in purging old packages)
On 1/10/15, Bob Proulx wrote: > > If you are an apt-get command line person (like I am) instead of the > aptitude methods already mentioned then you can use apt-show-versions > to show you what is installed but no longer has an install candidate. > > apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate > > Packages that match what are in the archive say "uptodate". The grep > -v removes those lines. What are left are all of the other > interesting packages. I will include a list from a system of mine for > an example. (And I guess I have some cleaning to do on my system.) > > With the list in hand you can then use judgement and purge them off. Just finished running this one AGAIN, and decided to give it its 15 seconds of subject line fame for new users to see. Bob suggested this to another Debian-User member not too long ago. It IMMEDIATELY became a permanent part of my own Top 5 programs. One easy daily to-do list check off for me these days is: $ apt-get update $ apt-show-versions -u Example output from that run a few minutes ago under Sid is: "dbus:amd64/sid 1.8.14-2 upgradeable to 1.8.16-1 dbus-x11:amd64/sid 1.8.14-2 upgradeable to 1.8.16-1 libdbus-1-3:amd64/sid 1.8.14-2 upgradeable to 1.8.16-1 libldap-2.4-2:amd64/sid 2.4.40-3 upgradeable to 2.4.40-4 libmp3lame0:amd64/sid 3.99.5+repack1-5 upgradeable to 3.99.5+repack1-6" With each new output, I then hand pick what updates to control what gets updated when. The necessary reason for that is because I'm running at the speed of dialup. You have to control what happens when.. :) Thanks to apt-show-versions, my laptop now runs consistently with: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. k/t to Bob one more time for that great lead. It might have been years, if ever, that I stumbled upon it otherwise. It's been a *perfect*, very *_cognitively friendly_* tool for keeping my computer 100% up to date under my particular set of computing circumstances Hope highlighting this helps someone else near as much as it has helped me.. Happy Debian'ing out there.. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks * -- Forwarded message -- From: Bob Proulx Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 15:40:14 -0700 Subject: Re: help in purging old packages To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Comer Duncan wrote: > I have a situation in which I am running wheezy 7.7 and for various reasons > now want to purge all packages which for some reason are still present from > etch, lenny, and squeeze. What I would like to know is how can I purge all > such packages using dpkg? I can not seem to find how to select just those > old packages for purging. Can those who know about this please help? If you are an apt-get command line person (like I am) instead of the aptitude methods already mentioned then you can use apt-show-versions to show you what is installed but no longer has an install candidate. apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate Packages that match what are in the archive say "uptodate". The grep -v removes those lines. What are left are all of the other interesting packages. I will include a list from a system of mine for an example. (And I guess I have some cleaning to do on my system.) With the list in hand you can then use judgement and purge them off. Bob Example: $ apt-show-versions | grep -v -e uptodate -e bpo7 ddrescue 1.14-1 installed: No available version in archive doc-linux-text 2008.08-1 installed: No available version in archive foomatic-filters-ppds 1:4.0.4-3 installed: No available version in archive kerneloops 0.12+git20090217-1 installed: No available version in archive libarchive1 2.8.4.forreal-1+squeeze2 installed: No available version in archive libdb4.8 4.8.30-2 installed: No available version in archive liblzma2 5.0.0-2 installed: No available version in archive libmozjs10d 10.0.12esr-1 installed: No available version in archive libnotify1 0.5.0-2 installed: No available version in archive libssl0.9.8 0.9.8o-4squeeze14 installed: No available version in archive linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 2.6.32-48squeeze3 installed: No available version in archive powernowd 1.00-1.1 installed: No available version in archive python2.5 2.5.5-11 installed: No available version in archive python2.5-minimal 2.5.5-11 installed: No available version in archive python3-dvdvideo 0.1 installed: No available version in archive python3.1 3.1.3-1 installed: No available version in archive python3.1-minimal 3.1.3-1 installed: No available version in archive sun-java6-bin 6.26-0squeeze1 installed: No available version in archive sun-java6-jre 6.26-0squeeze1 installed: No available version in archive -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kDi6GMU1uhwtNZFkheq2zNTaDL0=mgekq1d-sjdd6m...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Upgrading, was Re: jessie upgrade sources.list entries?
On 2/10/15, David Wright wrote: > Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk): >> >> Some people also recommend checking progress and the state of the system >> by doing a reboot between an upgrade and a dist-upgrade. > > Lots of good advice here. I can't remember where I got my checklist > from but it's grow like topsy over the years. Please hack it back > (in the gardening sense) as it's OTT (preparing for senility)... > > - > > A fairly full list of steps in upgrading a Debian distribution. > Running script might help, with care when it is upgraded itself. > It's safer not to be in X. > > 0. check backups are valid, rebackup, and repeat before big steps. That's the most important one for me. These days I just debootstrap looking for the latest updates. I keep .debs archived to save wear and tear on both my ISP (Internet provider) and Debian volunteer repository servers.. On checking backups, I don't just peer in, I boot my last one up. I rsync my copies. I saw someone call that not a backup, but so far it's worked for me. Only issue I ran into was I use UUIDs within /etc/fstab and what-have-you. Those are 100% specific and MUST MATCH the new partition a backup may be operating from.. Think I mentioned this before. I ran into adding that to my personal checklist recently. While verifying my backup copy, things felt like they were booting all OVER the place. Just looked funky. Turned out to be right about that. As a cognitively friendly aid, I plant partition specific dummy directories at the top of each partition. When what I thought was the backup booting up as itself was viewed in the file manager, the wrong "dummy directory" was showing at the top. Was instant verification SOMETHING SOMEWHERE needed fixed before the process could progress any further. What happened was the UUIDs were working fabulously. The backup copy was finishing up the boot by loading the original that was about to be replaced. It did so because that's what was being read in the backup copy's /etc/fstab.. At the end of the boot, all it proved was that the long standing functional original worked. We already KNEW that. *oops* This past week I... skipped a step. Everyone has their *_CHOICE_* for getting the same info, but I use lshw to gather UUID info for verification purposes. I did NOT do that this last time and simultaneously SOMEHOW multiples of my UUIDs CHANGED without me consciously doing it. Not sure how it happened. It's on a to-do list to see if I can't backtrack to determine accidental cause. Moral of the story was I got locked out of EVERY SINGLE PARTITION. 100% across the board received couldn't find file errors at boot, including on my now old fallback and very stable Wheezy. Had to turn to Knoppix LiveDVD to fix that mess before things functioned properly again. That leads me to ask... I deleted the list and just left that first one because it's my absolute most important one these days. Did you mention... having a LiveDVD handy? Having one here SAVED MY BACKSIDE three or four days ago. Good luck to whatever or whomever has inspired this latest chatter.. Cindy :) PS It was purely by accident that UUIDs being changed became apparent. Recognizing the first couple and last couple characters of longstanding UUIDs and therefore realizing those suddenly didn't exist was the time saving hero there.. -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * falls on face occasionally. 3 times last week. literally. ouch. * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cao1p-kcxhdd+hlekyybc4umpkj3yj1+g7ao4sj-66botl3y...@mail.gmail.com
Re: about installing Java
On 2/12/15, Chris Fisichella wrote: > Quoting Jack Chuge : > >> I want to install the latest version of Java on my debian desktop. Is >> there any quick way like using a terminal command? Though, I think >> debian is the most stable Linux distro I've ever used so far, on the >> other hand, I'm a newby to it. Any support is appreciated. >> -- >> I like hk.politics. ^_^ > > This is hardly a let-me-google-this-for-you question. But, I did a > little googling and arrived at this website which is what I would use > if I wanted the latest Java on my machine: > > http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/how-to-install-oracle-java-8-in-debian.html > > They say to run the following: > > su - > echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty > main" | tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-java.list > echo "deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty > main" | tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-java.list > apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys EEA14886 > apt-get update > apt-get install oracle-java8-installer > exit > > > I hope you have root access to your machine. The instructions imply its > use. Don't do anything for a few minutes if you haven't already. Trusty *sounds like* Ubuntu. If you're using Ubuntu then cool, personal *_CHOICE_* and you're good to go, but If you're using Debian from Debian.org, you start mixing things in together. It's both the name "Trusty" and that... ppa thing that is throwing up the flags for me. I'm going to try to *quickly* look this up. If someone else sees this before I get back, maybe they could confirm or diss me on it that I'm well meaning but on the wrong track. :)) What I'm looking at is to take Chris' find and just replace it with a Debian repository.. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kCcdzXbKQG-c-FQ4AXPNZ=eayyaltjhc3dhvzgzsdq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: about installing Java
On 2/12/15, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > On 2/12/15, Chris Fisichella wrote: >> >> http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/how-to-install-oracle-java-8-in-debian.html >> >> They say to run the following: >> >> su - >> echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty >> main" | tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-java.list >> echo "deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty >> main" | tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-java.list >> apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys >> EEA14886 >> apt-get update >> apt-get install oracle-java8-installer >> exit >> >> > > Don't do anything for a few minutes if you haven't already. Trusty > *sounds like* Ubuntu. If you're using Ubuntu then cool, personal > *_CHOICE_* and you're good to go, but If you're using Debian from > Debian.org, you start mixing things in together. It's both the name > "Trusty" and that... ppa thing that is throwing up the flags for me. > > I'm going to try to *quickly* look this up. If someone else sees this > before I get back, maybe they could confirm or diss me on it that I'm > well meaning but on the wrong track. :)) > > What I'm looking at is to take Chris' find and just replace it with a > Debian repository.. :) Now in hindsight, one logical question to ask is.. what do you need your java to do? Just for surfing and for developing or...? That kind of thing... Now to what I found... Definitely out of my element here, but some things are seeming familiar. There's the whole doing Debian and only Debian if possible *IF* that is your style. For that, I've seen references to openjdk-*-* packages. The reason I can tell you that with confidence is because I just tried: $ apt-cache search java and several packages beginning with "openjdk" came back in that command's MASSIVE output. I only use one single package repository (source) right now so that tells me its all Debian that the "apt-cache search" query is kicking back. Just as example, I ran what I can find installed in my own setup right now. That's "openjdk-7-jre". I performed the following command (because I know it will tell me at least a little about that package): $ dpkg -s openjdk-7-jre Part of that command's (very cool) output says: "Provides: java-runtime, java2-runtime, java5-runtime, java6-runtime, java7-runtime" Everyone's needs differ so that might not fit exactly what you're looking for, BUT it does contain the word "java" a few times. Maybe that will at least help you narrow down what you're looking for WHILE still being able to stay truer specifically to actual Debian. And that's, again, *IF* Debian is in fact what you have installed as your operating system and not one of its many derivatives/offshoots such as Ubuntu. If you *are* working out of a derivative (such as Ubuntu), you do need to see what that derivative offers in its own repositories because you never know what might have been changed to function properly. Speaking firsthand, a system's stability begins spiraling downward as soon as you (innocently) start picking from too many different systems' resources. Hope that helps at least a little.. :) Cindy :) PS packages.debian.org is a smarty pants. In response to my search query on "java", it said: "Your keyword was too generic," to which I most respectfully reply.. "Byte me." -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cao1p-kbh+9+ue4rrfoyvqzzf7atvfzgz37uagfe7wssfyfy...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Changing the install path of a web package
On 2/13/15, Don Armstrong wrote: > > Generally speaking, packages shouldn't be installing to /var/www either, > they should be installing to /usr/share or similar. > > Personally, I'd just copy the files if I was going to modify themq, > and/or use Directory/Location directives in the apache configuration > files to avoid having multiple copies if I wasn't. [There's no real need > to worry about backing the files up if you don't modify them, as you can > always just reinstall the package to get them back.] In line with what I'm "hearing" Don say, have you tried just letting it have its head so it installs where it wants to and then test it to see if it functions properly? I've played with Apache and similar and am just thinking... That all worked for me when things were all installed in their intended default locations... like where they fall under /usr/bin and such... If you install as root and just let it go where it's defaulted by developers to land, you're leaning more towards protecting your setup. That's not saying you or anyone else trying to do what you're doing doesn't know what they're doing, but at least you're just keeping another (default) protective layer between your vital functions and intruders Did that come out right at all, or, if not, can someone tweak where what I'm trying to say actually gets said..? I used to be super bullheaded about how I set up my systems.. Wasted a LOT of unnecessary, unrecoverable time doing so.. I don't to do that anymore. Well, not much anyway. Developers set things up the way they are for a reason, one primary one being the security of our systems overall.. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cao1p-kc4zx-oq-_tewrxty7r4tqcslyf00d5me_yhs57j1t...@mail.gmail.com
Re: fakeroot to build a package?
On 2/18/15, Osamu Aoki wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 02:10:57PM +0200, Eugene Zhukov wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I came across this building tutorial [1]. It advertises using >> fakeroot debian/rules binary >> command to build a package. Needless to say it doesn't work for all >> packages. >> I find this tutorial confusing. I know of two other IMHO better pages >> on the topic [2] and [3]. >> Did I miss something or the first wiki needs fixing.? >> >> [1] https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial >> [2] https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging >> [3] https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ > > These are good ones :-) (I wrote recent portion of maint-guide) > > But multi-arch description in maint-guide is weak due to the limitation > of dh_make command. > > You may also wish to install debmake package and read its documentation. > This is rather new tool and may have some rough edges. I'm actually *almost* able to follow it on first glance over, and I'm one who advocates about things being and/or not being cognitively friendly. I think I'm able to follow it because I've been struggling through MULTIPLE different debootstraps lately. Practice makes perfect, yada-yada-grin.. The topic is almost familiar, too. I probably encountered it while trying to find my own niche in helping the Debian Community. With you all chatting it back up again, I'm going to leave that tab open (as a cognitively friendly reminder it's a to-do). I was knocking on the door of being bored again, hadn't broken anything in a few days. That right there looks like a GOOD way to start breaking things again... Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * ok, who left the refrigerator door open again? * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kBcrjqowX4JgHKgahnwC=kcYzNraHKd++DzKBF=tnc...@mail.gmail.com
Re: debootstrap as an valuable instructioanal experience
On 2/20/15, Curt wrote: > On 2015-02-20, Richard Owlett wrote: >> >> My question -- Does anyone know of a detailed (newbie oriented) >> writeup on using debootstrap to install a bootable Debian to a >> second partition of a drive already containing a complete default >> install? All the writeups I've found assume various levels of >> experience and leave out things that "everybody knows". >> Fortunately the leave out different things so I think I am >> getting a reasonably complete overview. >> >> Comments? TIA >> > > I think Cindy (?) from down South was planning on writing a tutorial on > just this hot topic (or I gather she'd be capable of it). If you're talking about me, I'd very much be happy to help. I've got to go back outside and finish things up for the night. It's starting to sleet and snow so I have chores that need completed (quick). After I come back in and settle, we could look at those two links (I think it's two) that already exist for debootstrap and see how they can be tweaked, if at all, to help new users. It took me several attempts at it before debootstrap appeared more "coherent", but I LOVE it now. It's another of my Top 5 finds so far for accomplishing things Debian. Debootstrap has proved a great way to stay current with developers while operating via *dialup* and at... an extremely low income level.. Win-win! :) See you all back out here in a while.. if it was me you meant, I mean.. And even if it wasn't.. lol :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * Oh, the weather outside is frightful. * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kCJ2=hbwqo_j7oosdxi715bhqpjpod6qns4xluszbr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: debootstrap as an valuable instructioanal experience
hinking as a newbie user, it would have been GREAT to have had that one link to reference to get to really know Debian's reach via software classifications... Let me find that... and those other two links. Even if the afterthought is never mind, this has been on my to-do list to find ways to start bringing parts of the debootstrap to the list. There's some very basic steps in the setup that would be useful even for someone who goes the ISO/image install route. Adding a user, changing a password, setting our date and time, those kinds of really basic things. All accomplished very simply via command line when you debootstrap.. :) I'm here working on it.. :) Cindy -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kDn5s1DGuj=gikqlk7xwjjpy0hx3+ork2+3404utqz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: debootstrap as an valuable instructioanal experience
an definitely walk through them one by one if need be. Now the next section (and last I'll do tonight), "D.3.3. Run debootstrap". You need to pick your mirror, the software package repository you're going to pull from: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list They list the following architectures: amd64, armel, armhf, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, s390x, and sparc. We pick the one of those that is the architecture the completed install will eventually run from. That then replaces the word "ARCH" in the following: # /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch ARCH wheezy \ /mnt/debinst http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian "/mnt/debinst" is the target mounted directory. In my case, it's usually something like "/mnt/cin" or "/mnt/abc". "wheezy" is replaced by whatever release you want to download/install. The last time I did this, my command looked like this: debootstrap --arch amd64 sid /mnt/cin ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian That is the command that starts the debootstrap. It will look like it hangs for a while sometimes before it really gets going. It's just busy downloading what becomes something like a 30+ MB sized file related to the list of most current software packages available. I THINK that hang time is debootstrap's version of when we do something like "apt-get update" before we look into upgrading our systems. The how-to also talks about using an appropriate CD in place of a repository out on the Net. My kneejerk originally was WHY debootstrap if you already have a CD in hand? Rational thought immediately after is it's because it's about being in control and being as bare bones as one wants, CD or no CD. THAT is "why". So if you went that route and had a CD mounted at /cdrom, they suggest: # /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch ARCH wheezy \ /mnt/debinst file:/cdrom/debian/ or similar that provides the correct full path to the CD. If that all has been done just right, that pulls the very basic of base files onto our computer. I'm going to stop with that. That was just to get started, and it took that much to explain. AND there are a few holes still left in there. We just have to keep helping each other fill in those holes. Of all the things about Debian, this one right here, debootstrap, became the great equalizer for me. I imagine it doing phenomenal things to help introduce Debian to people who never dreamed it was possible to remain developer level current while at poverty level and with no high speed Internet at their Fingertips.. :) Keep warm out there.. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kC-dQLGC2EJg6tbi5=ad7ug4aj1qx7-khwbv5qrsob...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Question about GRUB recovery using Debian 7.x LiveCD
On 3/4/15, David Wright wrote: > > With hot plugging and so on, you really can't get away with /dev/... > any more unless you want to accidently reformat the wrong partition. > And not everyone sets LABELs, so there's not much choice. As long as > you don't clone a partition without changing the UUID, and you don't > subvert UUID generation, they're unique and safe. > > And Grub is a prime candidate for their use, what with all the options > for swapping drives around in the BIOS, partitions numbered in the > wrong order etc. *BINGO!* It sounds like you and I learned about their existence, probably more like their application, in a similar way. For me, list members here talked about them a couple times within a mass of emails at that moment in time. All that stuck for me then was the term was recognizable when that mile long value was finally likewise plopped front and center by something I was doing. That was my *ah-ha* moment for UUID. I LOVE THEM now.. I use them in the few places where there's that *_CHOICE_* because they are SO specific. And I use them for reasons that I'm gathering are already being said, that specific-ness means less chance of getting wires crossed somewhere. As far as them working within GRUB, they work SO WELL within the GRUB process that my system booted up into and then functioned fabulously from within the wrong partition a few months back. Think I mentioned this on here not too long ago. Something felt hinky during that session so I nosed around. Turned out I was working in an old partition instead of the a-sumed new install. I THINK how it went was GRUB started with the correct partition then /etc/fstab pointed the correct partition towards using a different, wrong one. Fix was to simply change the UUID values in /etc/fstab. "lshw" (as root) is my favorite tool for quickly determining UUIDs as necessary. The reason is that lshw offers several different types of information that let me *cognitively* grasp and therefore confidently confirm I really am dealing with the correct partition at any given moment in time. Have fun, whichever *_CHOICE_* you make! :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * trying to catch up to speed while operating ~4 weeks behind * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kBMNJhEMRROx0D41PXxo=rduiks-fr5fzmehcbx0ft...@mail.gmail.com
Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI
On 3/4/15, Dan Ritter wrote: > On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 04:03:30PM -0500, Stephen R Guglielmo wrote: >> >> I did a bit of reading and would prefer the Gnome "Classic" interface. >> Is there a way to install this type of "minimal" gnome without breaking >> it too much? Is it even possible to do, or does it all depend on one >> another? > > I bet you'd be pretty happy with XFCE. Xfce is another something I LOVE these days. Comfortable look to it. Was easy enough to download via dialup. Everything has worked as expected on unstable Sid. Recently printscreened a bunch of open programs then shared with friends to show how unscary and actually very familiar Linux/Debian can be. I debated between Xfce and LXDE before choosing Xfce. SEEMS LIKE Xfce was smaller for me to download for *some reason*. Could have been that comparing screenshots of both helped with the decision, too, I don't know. Well, that and I had already had a pleasant experience with Xfce k/t the Snowlinux 4 distribution. If you go the Xfce route, there's also Xfce Goodies that plugs in a few extra things: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/xfce4-goodies NOTE: That's purely for example since people are more and more moving to Jessie from what I'm seeing. Just exchange your distribution (e.g. wheezy or sid) with "jessie" in that link and you'll be taken to what you need.. It *was* "xfce4-goodies" as the package name for me. Only noting that because there's a brand new release, Xfce 4.12, out. I'm a-suming it should still be xfce4-goodies based on that. At this point that was just noise because I'm still seeing xfce4 4.10.1 and xfce4-goodies 4.10 there at Debian for both Jessie and Sid. Good luck, whatever route you ultimately go! Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * Are we there yet? * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cao1p-kby1yrdqbwpnuutmusyrdxzrzv3-zxhtvbz_txb66a...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Xfce Not Closing
On 3/8/15, Stephen R Guglielmo wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm running Xfce 4.10 on Jessie. After booting, I log into the console > with my user account, start my network interface, then run "startx" to > run Xfce. When I select the "Logout" menu option, I get prompted with a > list of choices (Logout, Reboot, Shutdown), none of which seem to do > anything. It acts as everything is working properly, but nothing ever > happens. As in, the system never logs out, shutsdown, or reboots. I > have to open a terminal and "killall xinit" to get back to my logged-in > console prompt. > > Does anyone have tips on to how to solve this? Sorry, no tips here, just chiming in that it's occurring for me, too, on *Sid*. Just on Application Menu > Log Out > Log Out. NOT on Restart or Shut Down. Have NOT tried the other two (Suspend and Hibernate). Will *TRY* to remember to do so later this afternoon but am having to (successfully) shut down to move outside this second. :) Unfortunately just hadn't pulled it together to nose around to see what might help fix it, primarily because I haven't needed log out until just coincidentally yesterday.. SOME of it happening early on for me turned out to be *potentially* about pertinent hidden files not existing under my user's home directory... Sorry, wish I had more in the way of a resolution but figured it wouldn't hurt to commiserate to show it's not just you.. :) Cindy :) PS Just for kicks but not sure that it lends any insight here, uname -a: Linux northpole 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt4-3 (2015-02-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux Will be doing another debootstrap in next couple days. Mostly just to make sure that method continues to be successful for users. Going that route becomes a logical step on this end when Sid experiences an active upgrade week. Some 75 packages needed upgraded anyway a few days ago, and that count has surely grown in the 2 or 3 days since.. :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * Oh, the weather outside is gorgeous... * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kBdEi+WvE=_0ocghvgm39_z6jyabrlbg677ky6rfmp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Xfce Not Closing
On 3/8/15, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > On 3/8/15, Stephen R Guglielmo wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> I'm running Xfce 4.10 on Jessie. After booting, I log into the console >> with my user account, start my network interface, then run "startx" to >> run Xfce. When I select the "Logout" menu option, I get prompted with a >> list of choices (Logout, Reboot, Shutdown), none of which seem to do >> anything. It acts as everything is working properly, but nothing ever >> happens. As in, the system never logs out, shutsdown, or reboots. I >> have to open a terminal and "killall xinit" to get back to my logged-in >> console prompt. >> >> Does anyone have tips on to how to solve this? > > > Sorry, no tips here, just chiming in that it's occurring for me, too, > on *Sid*. Just on Application Menu > Log Out > Log Out. NOT on Restart > or Shut Down. > > Have NOT tried the other two (Suspend and Hibernate). Will *TRY* to > remember to do so later this afternoon but am having to (successfully) > shut down to move outside this second. :) > > Unfortunately just hadn't pulled it together to nose around to see > what might help fix it, primarily because I haven't needed log out > until just coincidentally yesterday.. SOME of it happening early on > for me turned out to be *potentially* about pertinent hidden files not > existing under my user's home directory... > > Sorry, wish I had more in the way of a resolution but figured it > wouldn't hurt to commiserate to show it's not just you.. :) > > Cindy :) > > PS Just for kicks but not sure that it lends any insight here, uname -a: > > Linux northpole 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt4-3 > (2015-02-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux > Sorry I didn't think to ask in original email (hate my brain), did you try as root just for kicks? I'm trying to remember if I went through this with Jessie or not but can't remember. Here with Sid's initial install, I remember NOT having this problem as root and I *almost* remember not having this problem as a newly created secondary user. SEEMS LIKE only user having the problem was the longstanding one whose /home directory I kept adding back in to new installs... Shoot, you know what I'm also remembering now part way, anyway... is that this POSSIBLY even occurred before I ever installed Xfce... For VERY SURE it was occurring at the... console (?) before I ever even entered "startx".. THAT'S why I knew to ask if you tried it as root. Root in console (?) successfully logged out, but my user "elf" could not. User "elf" got hung ever time and cause a forced reboot via the button on the laptop. Never found an alternative to escape the hang any other way. Whatever else above, I definitely got hung on Log Out while in Xfce yesterday and had to go full reboot :) Cindy -- > Cindy-Sue Causey > Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA > > * Oh, the weather outside is gorgeous... * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cao1p-kbgft+9r-ggahg9ttc6vu14qhybu348aaayq5vghuu...@mail.gmail.com
Re: How to boot with the "irqpoll" option?
On 3/10/15, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 07:49:04PM -0700, Rusi Mody wrote: >> On Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 7:30:07 AM UTC+5:30, Kynn Jones wrote: >> > On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Kynn Jones wrote: >> > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Kynn Jones wrote: >> > >> A log message in my /var/log/syslog file says: >> > >> >> > >> ... kernel: [ 61.599288] irq 16: nobody cared (try booting with >> > >> the >> > >> "irqpoll" option) >> > >> >> > >> I imagine that booting with the "irqpoll" option is achieved by >> > >> adding >> > >> a suitable entry to /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but this file clearly >> > >> states >> > >> that it should not be edited directly, since it is generated >> > >> programmatically. < snipped for brevity > >> > > OK, I found a solution. I'll post it here, so that the next schlub >> > > doesn't have to waste so much time as I did looking for it: >> > > >> > > % sudo gedit /etc/default/grub \>> > >> > Here's a different, more direct, approach: >> > >> > Reboot. When the GRUB menu comes up, select a suitable (Linux) >> > option, but instead of pressing [RETURN], press 'e'. This will bring >> > you to an editable screen. Navigate to the line that begins with >> > >> > /boot/vmlinuz-... >> > >> > Add ' irqpoll' at the end of this line, and then hit `Ctrl-x` to boot >> > the system. >> > >> > This method has the disadvantage that the same procedure must be >> > followed every time one wants to boot with "irqpoll" enabled. On the >> > other hand, enabling "irqpoll" is considered only a temporary measure, >> > so it's probably a good thing to keep its activation inconvenient. >> > >> > kj >> >> 3rd option. >> Do the addition to the linux (ie kernel) line of /boot/grub/grub.cfg >> >> Yeah the file says dont do that. >> The grub guys make that suggestion but dont really follow it themselves! >> This will work until the next time some upgrade changes the cfg file > > Which is exactly WHY you're encouraged not to edit that file. People > tend not to like having their configurations disappear without warning, > so there's a big warning at the top of the file. Am not completely "cognitively" grasping this one just this second, but I said something similar myself to Darac's comment in last week, maybe two, or so. One alternative is that this directory was made available for us to use: /etc/grub.d/ Maybe someone could point the OP to where in that might help *IF* that directory does in fact help in this case.. Personally I've copied from /boot/grub/grub.cfg and pasted into 40_custom, altered the pasted section, and then updated GRUB for what were probably successful similar changes. BUT again, cognitively am not functioning well enough to share *exactly* how without potentially making this worse instead of better, grin.. While I'm thinking on it, one thing I've never followed through on is to find out how to make that type of change the default. If someone has insight into that, I'm sure somewhere there's a Debian User who would have and/or want that perk.. In the meantime, the other alternative THERE is to give the new /etc/grub.d file entry a recognizable title that can easily be picked out of the list that would have now grown by at least one entry at boot. Cindy -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * :) * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kCPzg_20hQcSn-nnXguz6dxCcicoyNU=jsftjfbtne...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Bug#780201: new codename needed for oldstable (due to squeeze-lts) when stable becomes oldstable
On 3/10/15, Bret Busby wrote: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Bret Busby > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:54:42 +0800 > Subject: Re: Bug#780201: new codename needed for oldstable (due to > squeeze-lts) when stable becomes oldstable > To: debian-...@lists.debian.org > > On 10/03/2015, Andreas Glaeser wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 12:38:29 +0100 >> Holger Levsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> when jessie will be released, wheezy will become oldstable and we'll >>> need >>> a >>> new alias for squeeze, as various tools internally work with aliases. >>> (The >>> >>> security tracker comes to my mind, but also the Release files it seems. >>> And >>> probably more.) >>> < snipped for brevity> >>> >>> Current suggestions I've heard (and liked) are "oldoldstable" and >>> "veryoldstable". >>> >>> I *dislike* "obsoletestable" and "stalestable" as they are either wrong >>> (squeeze is not obsolete) or carry a bad connotation. >> >> What about 'extremely-stable' ?? >> > > Why not simply use the states > experimental > unstable > testing > > and for the stable version > stable and version number (eg Debian7) > > and all preceding versions, > version number > eg > Debian6 LTS > Debian 5 > Debian4 > etc Coming into this just now and immediate response was... HEY, I *like* that... maybe with no capital letters where possible unless that's a longstanding "head nod", name *RESPECT* thing toward Debian. That would certainly be understandable. Its concept is obviously that, when any stable becomes an old stable, all that's needed for identification purposes forever after that is the referenced prior release's original/primary defining "6" or "7" or "8", etc... NOTE: While proofreading this email before sending, comes to mind that yes, codenames would do similar BUT... With a numerical based method, a new user could walk in not knowing code names and yet still be able to reasonably maneuver around. Example there would be where we can currently replace "stable" with "testing" or "unstable" in Debian.org's website hierarchy structure to successfully navigate within the packages subdomain. The way I'm grasping via the Bug's commentary, specifically Bret's suggestion, is that the addition into wherever is appropriate/necessary, could be similar to, say, like where we add in a "free floating" "jessie" or "sid" to debootstrap's command.. Or like where we see similar looking "free floating" personalizations in a string within grub.cfg, maybe. Yeah, I know, probably apples and oranges comparison to bug originator's intent, but it's what my mind is visualizing for potential usage as you all chat this up. Oh, and that _already_ "free floating" LTS notation might then need addressed within a "free floating" usage situation, I think.. I think. Otherwise additional keystrokes (ack!) with respect to parentheses then become necessary? Maybe? Ok, I'll stop now. *grin* Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Georgia USA * User Tip: Wondering what packages are available in stable? Check this out: https://packages.debian.org/stable/ Simply replace "stable" with "testing" or "unstable" if you use either instead. * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kAfmgM=sufjecu0nqb+e-3wnc9a-5mlxfrbwbmkfhy...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Best replacement for iceape?
On 3/13/15, The Wanderer wrote: > On 03/13/2015 at 11:03 AM, Thomas H. George wrote: > >> OK. Seamonkey is Icedove in Jessie, looks familiar. > > No. > > Icedove is a renamed version of Thunderbird. > > Iceweasel is a renamed version of Firefox. > > Iceape is a renamed version of Seamonkey. I've not really messed with them in YEARS so I've never gone to the extent of noticing which one matches to what other. Looking at them side by side as presented by The Wanderer now, it's: * bird names * weasely names * ape names Creating a little noise just to plant that mental image in case it helps anyone else making the associations.. It's going to help me.. Well, outside of that I just flat out forget the names for all of them, period, unless assisted by seeing them as posted in this case. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * We now return you to our regularly scheduled programming, already in progress * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cao1p-kbdf5bfcrz9krtxh-uvfk_gdfdfyjoper4jmfmg4op...@mail.gmail.com
Re: shutdown icon changed
On 3/20/15, Matthias Bodenbinder wrote: > Am 18.03.2015 um 07:07 schrieb Matthias Bodenbinder: >> Hi, >> >> I am running debian testing and kde4. The icon theme is oxygen. But the >> shutdown icon which is shown in the taskbar and in the menu is the >> shutdown icon from the high-contrast theme. Basically this is >> black-and-white instead of the red shutdowen icon from the oxygen theme. I >> opened the systemsettings and switch back and forth through the different >> icon themes. All icons are changed according to my selection except for >> the shutdown icon. It always stays the same. >> >> What is happening here? >> > > I found the root cause: KDE is taking the icons from > /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ regardless which theme is actually being used. I > neeed to rename the corresponding icons to get it working again: > > cd /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ > find . | grep weg > ./scalable/apps/system-shutdown.svg.weg > ./48x48/apps/system-reboot.png.weg > ./48x48/apps/system-log-out.png.weg > ./48x48/apps/system-hibernate.png.weg > ./48x48/apps/system-shutdown.png.weg > ./48x48/apps/system-suspend.png.weg > > Those icons got installed by xfce4-session from debian experimental. From my > pijnt of view this is a bug in KDE. It should stick to the icons from the > selected theme and not go into hicolor. Am coming really late into the conversation here. I've seen "similarly different" since I started doing installs via debootstrap. I'm using unstable and Xfce. Last debootstrap was couple days ago, and I still saw what I'm seeing here. The classic fallback "x box" that you normally see in some/many browsers pops up in when icons are *apparently* missing. My setup is extremely basic but some one of those very few subsequent package installs done post debootstrap each time corrects the problem here. Because it does, it's the old "out of sight, out of mind" kind of deal so I hadn't addressed it yet to determine the core cause. I know, I know *my bad* KDE4 pulling high contrast icons might be its version of using the "x box" as default. Maybe KDE4 developers have instructed it to roll down the list of available icon directories if it encounters missing icons whereas Xfce's fix is to turn to the classic x icon. Given the two options, I like what yours is doing because yours still visually distinguishes between apps, etc.. Mine becomes self-corrected early on with no intentional intervention from me. Two ways that could happen are 1) one of my few installed packages brings with it an entire new set of icon directories and/or 2) one of those few installed packages maybe overwrites core, errant system icon paths somewhere. Just thinking out loud. :) Cindy -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * kinda just strolling with those plastic sporks today * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kDyJDcpjh3uwmVYTL=K=X0eS0F+yWRP_=g4alvrc0f...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian wheezy on Dell 7535
On 3/23/15, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 09:55:17AM +0400, Gajadur Dwijesh wrote: > >>- No Sound > > Have you unmuted the sound? (In order to avoid damage, Linux installs > sound cards muted. Open a mixer program and turn up some volumes) > > Is the sound card recognised? (Have a look and 'lspci' and/or 'lsusb' to > find something that looks like an Audio or Multimedia controller) I had a LOT of problems on and off until a fellow list member once again brought up pavucontrol.. I'm still having "some" trouble with it, now most likely because it hasn't clicked exactly how it works BUT that IS what it does *it works!* Listening to music right now thanks to whomever did suggest it recently. PulseAudio Volume Control is what it comes up as under the Applications Menu > Mutlimedia menu selections once installed. Maybe that info will help with searching this list's archives, too, for other leads if needed... Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kDDKh2tcnc3=6ud6piv9xco+xq_4yqs7agmdt8_r0o...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian wheezy on Dell 7535
On 3/24/15, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > For the avoidance of doubt, pavucontrol (PulseAudioVolUme control) will not > > work if PulseAudio is not installed. > > (Referring back to a recent thread.) > > With ALSA you want alsamixer or alsamixergui. Perhaps I was not precise enough in saying * it works! * * in my case! * * my experience is just an example! * I believe the following is *the* precise comment that changed my current sound manipulation habits AND *slightly* furthered my understanding of the whole thing's interoperability. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/01/msg00543.html Ric said, "In a nut shell, alsa is the basement for sound. Pulse sits on top and directs input/output to multiple sound decices (sic)." To which from THIS side of the screen that day I then snidely snarked, "Oh, REALY?!* With so much still to learn, I didn't think I had ALSA installed. Turned out what he did know'd was. I did so, too, have ALSA installed on my system else pavucontrol would (apparently) not have worked. Found out fairly easily back then that ALSA was, yes, in my system, but I sure struggled to duplicate the same effort today. It's there. Best as I can tell, ALSA's functionality was initially installed at least in part as packages libasound2-data and libasound2. Xfce4 gets the k/t for that default action occurring as part of its own install (this past week again). As for pavucontrol dependencies, that's just the nature of the beast that is many packages we install. Thankfully our systems are "intelligent" enough these days to alert us to dependency needs during installs. We can then make a final, educated executive decision yes or no regarding installs based on the additional package dependency feedback our package managers provide during installations. Just for kicks before sending this off, I checked /var/log/apt/term.log. My latest *fresh* pavucontrol install (~three days ago) drug these in: libspeexdsp1 libasound2-plugins libfftw3-single3 libgtkmm-3.0-1 libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpulsedsp libwebrtc-audio-processing-0 pavucontrol pulseaudio-utils pulseaudio pulseaudio-module-x11 rtkit Again... *it works!* Turns out * with ALSA as a base! * (according to Ric who accordingly turned out to be right correct that pavucontrol wasn't going to work without ALSA as a base ) When this successful avenue of gaining sound presented itself a few months ago, I'd been fighting for WEEKS trying to have ANY sound while going the whole suggested ALSA only route. Ric's PulseAudio Volume Control comment was the one that INSTANTLY solved my private issue when ALSA controls had been failing repeatedly and miserably until his comment appeared. That's why it was a no-brainer it would be *safe* to pose pavucontrol as a potential alternative *_CHOICE_* for any conversation that includes the words "- No Sound". :) Cindy ;) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape(d sewing machine) * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cao1p-kbnwbsd+epitazssty68j5f5rbbdaf0uosm9cabzyt...@mail.gmail.com
Re: pdf reader
On 4/19/15, Matthew Chong wrote: > If you have dpkg and frontends (apt, aptitude etc) you can easily install > zathura PDF viewer with "sudo apt-get install zathura", which is a > minimalist PDF viewer. Will have to try that one myself as I hadn't yet included a reader in my latest debooststrap install. I only use one line in my /etc/apt/sources.list, and it's available = good deal! :) Whenever looking for new software, there's also the option of attempting a search via our package managers. I only use apt for mine so, for this software need, I perform queries like: apt-cache search pdf viewer OR apt-cache search pdf reader For the widest *_CHOICES_*, try several different creative keyword variations because those searches feed off descriptions and such that developers have consciously written into their packages. Good luck! Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape(d sewing machine) * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cao1p-kchqpo4j04hnu1paaqal6yu+r1bhmdwifrx5_ghrfl...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors
On 4/19/15, David Wright wrote: > Quoting John Hasler (jhas...@newsguy.com): >> >> So do I [run browser with javascript disabled]. >> Lots of sites put up banners warning me that some "features" >> may not operate properly without JS but generally those are exactly the >> "features" that I specifically don't want. A few other sites really >> won't work usefully without JS. > > I've not done this (yet). Would I be right in assuming it's as simple > as setting javascript.enabled to false in about:config (iceweasel)? > What sorts of "features" might not work? > > With JS enabled (as it has been for me) and Flash available (at the > moment I have to "Allow Now" on each page) there are odd sites that > still will not work, eg https://www.capitalone.com/ where, if I > try to login, it just says > "The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading." > in the place where the username/password would be typed. > Any ideas on what I might have misconfigured or have missing? > (I can only login with chromium; that's the only site I have > visited with it.) > >> In that case I either go elsewhere or >> temporarily enable JS for that site only. Saw the other responses so chiming in. https://www.capitalone.com/ works for me here, too. Chromium and Opera. Thought for a second it might just sit and spin, but both suddenly loaded well and simultaneously. That's a micro-miracle on dialup. Banking type websites often take forever by themselves, let alone two instances successfully loading at the same time WHILE I'm ALSO performing yet other surfing. For the time being, I've (to date safely) allowed javascript to run on both browsers. To verify that before stating it, I just researched Opera's settings. Am currently unfamiliar with them because I JUST installed it couple days ago after a few years away from it. Opera took me to a specific preference feature for this: opera:config#Browser%20JavaScript I'm seeing a reference there about loading/not loading user javascript preferences. If you've been playing around with javascript *anywhere* out of safety concerns, maybe Capital One and similar not loading correctly could be directly or indirectly affected by that? With this many others of us not having any problems on multiple various browsers, I wonder what (other) secondary things might be interfering. I've run into website fail instances before where it was about cookies I'd block that I didn't know were necessary for that website's functioning. And it SEEMS LIKE there was one other fix that unfortunately escapes my mind this sec Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape(d sewing machine) * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kBED3gfH9ZLxcSP_8dp7-i=RNhDiLgyUwdtz1N=pkv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: python3-xlib lost in Debian
On 4/26/15, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > Hijacking threads won't get you many answers. I read this bnecause I was > interested in the booot logo quesition. I know nothjing about Python. > > Try reposting in a new thread about Python. This posted as a new thread in my inbox. OP's name was not familiar right offhand, but a quick search of my inbox shows it to POSSIBLY be a newcomer to Debian lists. My compassionate m/o (method of operation) in these cases is to presume a new user is not aware of how threads thread these days.. I sure wasn't, and I've been using computers and the Internet for 20 years. For the OP (original poster): Based on the response you received, I'm a-suming you possibly replied to a thread then maybe changed the subject line to ask your own unrelated question? If so, some email clients (software, etc) still consider that to be part of the old thread and will treat it as such. You have to start with a brand new, completely empty email if you're starting a topic that is not an intentional derivative of one currently being discussed If you go to this page, you'll see what happened: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/04/thrd3.html You have to page down until you find your thread. It's about 2/3's of the way down for me right now. What you'll see is your new thread is now permanently stored as a sub-thread, a continued thought of the boot logo thread when it appears you may have intended for your question to stand out by itself. How you would fix it would be to go ahead and start that new email then copy and paste all of your own original here into it. Hope that helps POSSIBLY explain why you received the response you did. If you already knew what happened, my apologies for a-suming you didn't. Perhaps this will still help some other Debian list newcomer now or in the Future. Good luck with your own Debian'ing! Cindy :) PS As to your question, I tried digging around when you first asked it but I didn't get real far. I did find python-xlib floating around out there: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/python-xlib Go ahead and start your brand new email so you can ask your new question, and we can try going from there.. :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape(d sewing machine) * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cao1p-ka5-g2r-3a_kneq2xyxrg7wk0dvpytyp8pvebnkjc7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Dlna client and backup
On 6/19/15, notoneofmy wrote: > > Thanks a lot. I will give this a try. But to be clear, would this backup > the entire system and restore it, in the event of a crash of something > going horribly wrong? I'm hoping it to be like the Time Machine for > linux; is that what it does? Just a related side-note'ish kinda thing. I learned the hard way that for whatever *_CHOICE_* we each make for producing backups, *MANUALLY VERIFY* that the product is capturing hidden files, as well.. A while back I mentioned I use rsync for my "backups", and I remember someone had "objected", for lack of a better word this sec. I cognitively wasn't able to grasp why outside of someone was advising rsync as is isn't the best The ah-ha moment came maybe a month or two later. I needed to rely on my rsync produced backups. They #FAILed because the /home/user hidden files were non-existent. While some files are easy enough to reproduce in that case, it was the missing /home/user/.config directory shtuff that was the absolute heartbreaker that fateful day. :) A Life Lesson Learned the Hard Way... AGAIN. :D Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kBKTfuv8U8DFC1ZQh5mC3Ecx4KEufqSwmk=bh8kws8...@mail.gmail.com
Re: IP address
On 7/17/15, Jape Person wrote: > > I think ifconfig isn't a package. > > By default on my Jessie systems it's under /sbin. > > If > > $ ifconfig -a > > doesn't work, then > > $ /sbin/ifconfig -a > > probably will. Ah-HA! I usually remember to try going that route if something suggested here doesn't work right offhand. Didn't remember this time. Trying it as root just now worked. Regular user gets the "bash: ifconfig: command not found" error message. :) Cindy -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kBOybJNSDcvvObkafo-oVNFdhV3_Z96=nv5mjet9gy...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Recommendations for a GUI video editing program?
On 12/30/15, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I'm looking for recommendations for a GUI video editor for simple tasks > (basically for cutting a video, and perhaps for fixing the audio track > lag which sometimes creeps in). > > I have very little experience with video editing and myself are more > of a command line junkie. > > For the user in question it has to be a GUI program. She is using > avidemux at the moment, which more or less covers her needs, but > forces her to have deb-multimedia as an extra package source. But > it has a simple and clean UI, no setting up of "project files" and > the like for just cutting a video. Something similar would be ideal. > > What could people here recommend? I *LOVE* OpenShot. You actually helped *me* out because I had used another program (that was a little over my pay grade), but couldn't remember the name. Avidemux, it was. *grin* OpenShot was a trial-and-error find. Possibly via a "apt-cache search" query, even. It had a tiny bit of a learning curve for me because I jump right in and start poking all the buttons instead of reading how-tos for newly found Linux packages.. Overall, Openshot is fairly basic, very *cognitively friendly* (for me), and yet you can pull together some pretty fanciful shtuff. My videos are far from professional but I'm proud of a number of them k/t specifically to OpenShot. Here's one that's an example of what you can do with it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YvzRiFuJI8 That's a Tufted Titmouse (wild bird) pulling at a puff of dog hair during nesting season. OpenShot lets you alter the size of the video, the placement, the speed, sound placement, sound levels, those kinds of things. You can insert still shot overlays to convey messages in between. Somehow in my own video editing self-teaching, I ended up using Inkscape in tandem. I just tried to see if OpenShot was why. Ended up being reminded that Blender is interactive there, too, if you just had to have animated title pages. For plain intro and outro (opening and closing messages) pages, something like GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program) work fine. Biggest hurdle I had was figuring out that my sound needed to be in the first track and video and image files needed to be in the second on out... A particular joy to me through the whole experience has been that all three programs (OpenShot, Inkscape, and Blender) are available for me even with (still) only one main Debian repository in /etc/apt/sources.list. Hope this helps a little.. :) Cindy -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * speaking of runs with birdseed, here I go-o-o-o-o *
Re: RIP and Thank You.
On 12/31/15, John L. Ries wrote: > If the news report is correct, he appears to have self destructed, > which is even sadder. Please go easy on him as we watch how it goes.. This really isn't the most appropriate place and yet it is for me to say... his whole last Twitter feed there.. I did a version of that a few weeks ago myself... minus some of it but and yet enough I'm very much feeling the Shoes he was wearing there.. Gives me some odd insight into where his Mind was that last little while. That account name he referenced. If you look at his December 10th tweet, he just pondered out loud about transposing letters that created unintended yet functional unrelated words. I do that, that's why it caught my eye. With that in mind, can anyone try to read his Mind as to what he really meant by that account name that appears to have helped play its part in whatever happened? The other... right at the end there. I'm going to... forward that somewhere and ask that it be addressed. It just sounds like he's alleging he was put through phenomenal humiliation at the hands of Law Enforcement. That guaranteed played its part IF it's true. That needs addressed in his name and for him. #RIP, Ian. I live on $480 a month for EVERYTHING #Life costs. YOUR #Debian is THE REASON I am able to stay within hours of the latest from current Debian developments while living Life at the speed of abject #poverty... Everyone, please be safe out there.. Talk to people. Let them know what's going on in your Life. I'm spending a SERIOUS amount of time today kicking myself for having never even thought to track Ian down and follow his musings because of his direct impact on my ability to be able to keep up with the rest of you all... Cindy. -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * . *
Re: Could this be @jackstormwriter ?
On 1/5/16, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > http://jacksoren.com/ > > Jack Soren writes thriller, suspense and detective novels. He also > writes shorter > stories...or stories of medium length, or stories when he's bored...or > when he's > awake...or if he's gettin' paid - okay, mostly only when he's gettin' paid. > > > ? Good morning.. :) This all hasn't left my mind, either. It's because... as I tried to say before.. I'm experiencing very real things here** that appear to *potentially* be "similarly different" to whatever *might* have been going on over on the other side of the country. The experiences here... as they continue... I can't help but wonder what happened there. That account... whatever its ultimate spelling might be *might* not be live anymore *because* he wrote it out loud. If it exists or existed, it also might not have been around long enough to have hit search engines. I've seen things like that. If it was pulled as fast as it went up, any potential reference to it may be buried deep at the tailend of the gabillions of webpages that exist online today. The "@" is also slowly becoming more universal. For example, Ello uses it... and it *seems like* Facebook was using it, too.. ? It would be nice if every company that uses "@" as a communication feature could take a few minutes to check out potentially related accounts. They would be looking for account creations and deletions around that date and on his behalf particularly the deletion part at that time. Garnering the information would not be for us to know, it would be for the pursuit of *lawful closure* to the circumstances. He should get what he himself said he wanted but not necessarily only for those whose Civil Rights are destroyed by the very "Oath Keepers" who should be protecting the same. He may very well also help raise awareness for how vile and pervasive the seedier side of the Web has become. The Internet is being wielded as an unbelievable weapon of brutal attack and harm by some among us these days. Time will tell if that really was part of it The whole arrest related Civil Rights thing.. I... "get it" that the circumstances to all this may eventually highlight a certain aspect of things. That matters not one single iota to these Fingertips. We techies are a different lot, entirely. We know that about ourselves, and minute by minute, we *embrace* that about each other, as well. With that in mind, whatever allegations he made have *also* been made by and on behalf of a second, very large population of the World. Whichever way this plays out over time, he will have helped that very large demographic, too, whether he was part of it or not. You don't have to be part of that demographic to find yourself wrongfully mistreated in the same way by some Civil Rights protecting Oath Keepers. Fact, that. The whole thing about him and pursuing his *expressed* wishes versus anything anyone else might say is difficult in times like this. One of the meatspace (real World) circles I run in is all about honoring each single individual's *expressed* wishes and desires by doing so *RESPECTFULLY* in spite of what others might say in their stead. His wishes were very definitive and have been documented for posterity on the W-W-W k/t whoever had the foresight and reacted in time. Just thinking out loud again... Cindy :) ** Things are no longer write-offable as fig-a-ments of someone's imagination when experiences can be documented in a format (e.g. video) such that others may experience the same... -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * hm. *
Re: avidemux
On 1/9/16, Brian wrote: > On Sat 09 Jan 2016 at 23:14:39 +0600, Ivan Petrov wrote: > >> 09.01.2016 22:07, Sven Arvidsson пишет: >> > >> >AFAIK avidemux isn't available in Debian, so you should probably file a >> >bug report where you got the package. >> >> It is available at Debian Multimedia > > No, it is not. It is available at deb-multimedia. Please read the first > 10 or so lines at its home page. It sounded familiar so *after* writing up a comment that I thought it wasn't Debian.org specific, I *cough-cough* hit up a search engine. Front and center on front page search returns was THIS page: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ#There_is_.27Debian_Multimedia_Maintainers.27_and_.27deb-multimedia.org.27._So_what.27s_the_difference.3F My first recollections of debian-multimedia are from having found as a default repository in a sources.list file for an unrelated HEAVY multimedia packed distribution... Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * still... hm. :( *
Re: avidemux
On 1/9/16, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > > It sounded familiar so *after* writing up a comment that I thought it > wasn't Debian.org specific, I *cough-cough* hit up a search engine. > Front and center on front page search returns was THIS page: > > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ#There_is_.27Debian_Multimedia_Maintainers.27_and_.27deb-multimedia.org.27._So_what.27s_the_difference.3F > > My first recollections of debian-multimedia are from having found as a > default repository in a sources.list file for an unrelated HEAVY > multimedia packed distribution... Had to *smack my head* again. One verification step I could have offered in my first email is: https://packages.debian.org/avidemux Nope, not proper per the site's design BUT is *cognitively friendly* (easier to remember) AND (I accidentally once discovered it) very generously then corrects the user by redirecting to: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=avidemux For avidemux within Debian (dot org), that page advises: "You have searched for packages that names contain avidemux in all suites, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results" Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * still hm. :( *
Re: diagnose fcitx problem
On 1/10/16, Teng Zhang wrote: > hello, i have installed fcitx , the output of ps indicates that it's > running as a daemon, but i can't use the specified combination key to > activate it. I don't know what's happening. What i wonder is that is there > a tool to diagnose the fcitx on debian or is there a proper way to diagnose > it manually.(I have seen the fcitx FAQ, but i can't fully understand it.And > also, the Alt/Meta key works well in emacs. ) Hi.. I have no experience with that program, but it came to mind to me to try this (command line) query: apt-cache search fcitx If you use a different package manager (e.g. aptitude or synaptic), there's surely a similar(ly different) search feature. In my own query just now, I saw 2 different configuration tools referenced. If you haven't tried that angle yet, maybe you'll see something there that *might* help while you wait for others to respond... Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * hm.. *
Re: Reporting unmaintained packages
On 1/18/16, Brian wrote: > On Mon 18 Jan 2016 at 12:36:34 +0100, Francois Gouget wrote: > >> I'm not sure the developer is MIA but he does have quite a few other >> packages to maintain so may he's swamped or just lost interest in this >> particular package. >> https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=Paul+Wise > > Paul Wise is a very active maintainer. In fact... Pabs is "very active" over at Debian-Mentors https://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors Rightly or wrongly, it's coming across that a potential fix may be apparent to someone (the original poster?). If so, Debian-Mentors would be one great place to connect up with several very active maintainers to gain guidance on how to submit one's own patch towards fixing a known bug. >> Having that having out of date or missing virus signatures has security >> implications (more for some users that others, I'll grant you), getting >> a handle on these bugs seems quite important. >> >> So what's the proper way to report this issue? > > A bug report. After reading the existing ones. I may not be remembering this quite right(ly), but it SEEMS LIKE the Debian package "reportbug" offers users an on-the-spot opportunity to submit patches pertinent to their reported bug(s). Just thinking out loud again. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * hm. *
Re: eagle-lin64-7.5.0.run, won't
On 1/19/16, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 05:19:34PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>
>> I hadn't thought of that. My bad. OTOH, although no one has come thru
>> the router except to view my web page, do I really want to do that in
>> the event they do get thru? That could make their raising a little hell
>> just that much easier.
>
> Only root can add a user to the admin group.
I couldn't find the words to bring together to answer him yesterday,
but I know what he's saying. In self-teaching myself how to
debootstrap where you set up EVERYTHING yourself, I had to read up a
little on adding groups. One warning floating around out there is that
we should add ourselves to the absolute barest minimum of groups
possible.
The reason? Every group that we add ourselves to, yes, conveniently
expands our privileges, but then, yes, woefully expands the access
privileges of anyone who might hack into our systems.
The alternative is battling what isn't working that is the reason
we're considering upping the number of groups for which our user(s)
is/are a member. The payoff is easier Debian'ing for the the folks who
come behind us
Is it sound or audio I've just seen bantered around a little? I'm not
member of that group, but I still get sound. My user is member of a
very limited number of groups. I just ran the command "groups" and
received back dialout, sudo, netdev, and its own ("elf").
Debian Wiki has a SystemGroups page with a few group descriptions:
https://wiki.debian.org/SystemGroups
Audio's description is: " This group can be used locally to give a set
of users access to an audio device (the soundcard or a microphone)."
Oh, man, you all may have just solved one of MY long term issues...
not being able to record via microphone. *smacking head and laughing
(out loud) *
PS The netdev one, had completely forgot about it. This thread gets a
second k/t for incidentally possibly solving something elsewhere
there, too. If any of you all are part of the most recent threads
going on about networking failures, would you please consider asking
the original posters on those if their affected user is member of
netdev? Users like us being a member of netdev became almost a
necessity in recent times. Thank you! :)
Cindy :)
--
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* words #fail me. *
Re: About new mail client
On 1/20/16, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 08:05:07PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: >>On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:51:53AM +1000, Stuart Longland wrote: >>> On 21/12/15 23:59, Chris Bannister wrote: >>> >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> >>Umm, I didn't write that. (You went overboard with your snipping.) > > From what I can see, you did. Note that the line is double-quoted. The > line under, which you wrote is single-quoted, but the "Sent from..." > line WAS there in your email, quoted from the OP. Stuart was simply > quoting your quote. Out of curiosity, I just went dumpster diving in my email's trash bucket. It is in fact from an email by Chris. Chris quoted a previous post by someone else before then responding to it. Chris did not originate the "Android" line. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * words #fail me. *
Re: problems running backup
On 12/3/15, Bob Holtzman wrote: > Just installed Jessie and I'm still picking my way thru it. When I tried > invoking "scripts/backup" as root I get: > > rsync: mkdir "/media/cf0a98ed-3c11-4107-b61e-f5139d024396/Jessie-laptop" > failed: No such file or directory (2) > rsync error: error in file IO (code 11) at main.c(674) [Receiver=3.1.1] > > That second line is strange as I had just created the Jessie-laptop > directory. > > My backup script has always worked in Wheezy: > > rsync -vahHz --delete --exclude '/proc' --exclude '*.iso' --exclude > '/home/holtzm/mail/backup' --exclude '/sys ' --exclude '/tmp' --exclude > '/media' /. /media/cf0a98ed-3c11-4107-b61e-f5139d024396/Jessie-laptop > > Searching on the error message yielded zip. I'd appreciate any pointers > on how to attack this. Found this while thinning my inbox. Adding something for the archives from one who makes a lot of manual mistakes. I've seen similar errors under two different circumstances: 1) My target partition wasn't mounted. *oops* 2) Target partition was mounted BUT had quietly been auto-renamed by my system k/t that another partition was already bearing the same label name. Fodder for another eventual thread and why I love and advocate UUIDs over labels or other. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * sometimes words #fail me. *
Re: failed to fetch Sid InRelease
On 1/27/16, Haines Brown wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 05:39:36AM +0300, Adam Wilson wrote: >> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:19:09 -0500 Haines Brown >> wrote: >> >> ># aptitude update >> >Err: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable InRelease >> > temporary failure resolving 'ftp.us.debian.org' >> >W: Failed to fetch >> > http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/InRelease: >> > temporary failure resolving ftp.us.debian.org >> >> I suspect this is a problem either server-side or something to do with >> your connection. Note the 'failure resolving ftp.us.debian.org'. It >> can't even access the server, let alone download the InRelease file. > > That was my first assumption, so waited a day for things to get > fixed. When no one reported problems with the repository, I began to > suspect the problem was at my end. > > I can access ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists from another machine to > update Wheezy. I can access .../unstable/InReleases with a web browser. > > When I shut X server down and do # aptitude update from console, I get > this: > > W: chmod 0700 of directory /var/lib/apt/lists/partial failed - \ > SetupAPTPartialDirectory (1: Operation not permitted) > E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - \ > (13: Permission denied) > E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists This is *NOT* something I advise (because I don't know the ultimate ramifications), but when I get the "Could not open lock file" error, I learned by trial and error to delete the one I think is causing the problem. My rationale is that it doesn't exist in a brand new debootstrap (how I install Debian) so it's something created on the fly by APT (my *_CHOICE_* for package manager). The lock file I'm referencing is found in /var/cache/apt/archive Another thing that can cause the "Could not open lock file" error is that something else is running that locks up usage of the/a shared lock file. I've had that happen only once and unfortunately cannot remember the other program involved that would hint where to look for other similar possibilities. Common sense says that instance possibly involved another package manager.. While proofreading this, I just went in to verify that the directory I gave is correct. I just happened to have run into something apparently recently because I see a file named "lockOLD" in there. For some odd unrelated reason, it then triggered the memory that the whole deleting the lock file thing for me I THINK also came about from once stumbling upon a hidden "~" or "#" + lock named file or something like that. Purely based on personal observation of it in action, it stuck in my brain that those occasionally indicate something volatile (self-destructing at job's end) that is generated temporarily on the fly for something else tied up in use. The point there would be that there's one more avenue to pursue in times of trouble when every single other thing else has failed to fix an error. If one of those hidden files remains instead of self-destructing, it's going to logjam (block) things from working ever after that until it's deleted. Who knows, maybe sometimes when we resign ourselves to a package uninstall followed by a then successfully functioning reinstall, that's exactly what we've done without ever knowing it.. :) Ok, one more paragraph because I started doubting myself again. I ran "locate /lock" to see what's shaking out there. A directory named /var/lock, for one. Almost think I already knew that, but it didn't hold any special significance until now. Mine holds apache2, lockdev, and subsys subdirectories that are all currently empty. /var/lock additionally holds a file named "LCK..ttyACM0". It's recognizable as belonging to my USB dialup modem that is currently in use. In the spirit of continually discovering just what makes Debian tick, I logged off the Internet. As anticipated, /var/LCK..ttyACM0 vanished into thin air and then graciously reappeared upon Internet reconnect. *phew!* Just thinking out loud... again. ) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * sometimes words #fail me. *
Re: disk space disappeared
On 2/10/16, Gary Dale wrote: > I have a Jessie/64 server that seems to have lost a lot of disk space. > It boots from a 55G SSD (mounted as /) with a RAID6 array for /home. df > shows that the SSD is full but I can't find out where the space has > gone. When I add up all the space in the various directories off /, they > don't come anywhere near 55G. du -cxh shows only 4.7G being used. > > I used tune2fs to set the fsck count for /dev/sda1 to 1 and rebooted. It > didn't report any errors (system doesn't boot from USB or I would have > used sysrescuecd). > > I also tried using fstrim (although the SSD is mounted with the discard > option) but that didn't help. The command showed space being freed up, > but the df command returned the same result. > > Any ideas on what is going on? A Life Lesson Learned the Cindy Sue Way was one spot to always check is... under /media/[user]... I'd been meaning to write it up. Seems like I had at least one other thought about it, too, but that escapes me just now. So what had happened was... In my instance(s), it was a combination of rysnc and a faulty USB connection for an external hard drive. Rsync would just create a new target instead of complaining that one I wanted didn't exist (because the USB connection had just once again failed).. Since I was copying to that external hard drive, /media/elf/data-partition/copied-files-directory was where it was going. When rsync couldn't find that (because the USB connection had just once again failed), rsync simply created that... SOMEHOW on my primary hard drive under /media/elf. Took a couple months before I discovered it had been happening. That occurred when I by accident noticed something called /media/elf/data-partition_... And /media/elf/data-partition__ AND /media/elf/data-partition___ Flailing around on my hard drive, all ONLY visible and accessible directly under /media. The additional "__" and "___"? Created k/t a mix of how both rsync and my Debian (likely Jessie as testing then) were trying to accommodate my scenario. The secondary issue became that my Debian very quietly began mounting the (faulty USB) external hard drive by adding its own "_"(s) once the original /media/elf/data-partition name became permanently "mounted" under /media. Apparently addending an upward number of "_" is, or at least was, part of renaming nomenclature done on the fly if something already appears under /media. Moral of the Story is that hard drive space was very quietly being eaten alive while that was going on in a place we don't normally visually inspect... and that space usage also was not being reflected numerically via any utility tool package I knew to run at that moment. See why I hadn't tried to write it up yet? *grin!* Cindy -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Phantom Media Devices Created On The Fly (Was: disk space disappeared)
PS This experience is specifically why I unhumbly advocate using UUIDs wherever possible, but that's fodder for another thread. :) Good morning! Am reposting my response to Gary Dale's thread and am including a followup to help others duplicate the effect. The more I think on it, the same confusion is now coming back to mind as when I first encountered this. It *feels like* this is an area that could easily cause all KINDS of consistencies trouble, BUT admittedly, perhaps it's something that has long ago been addressed by Debian's intelligence in understanding its users' needs and computing (including hardware) quirks. Gary had inquired about missing hard drive space that he couldn't track down. I first replied by sharing my experience where phantom directories (representing missing partitions) were created on the fly by rsync and potentially in cahoots with my Debian copy. In the end, those on-the-fly "phantom" directories were understandably not recognized properly. e.g. unmounted nor indexed, by Debian. They became a permanent, non-disappearing fixture that progressively and very silently was eating up hard drive space:: On 2/11/16, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > > A Life Lesson Learned the [Abject Poverty] Way was one spot to always > check (for missing hard drive space) is... under /media/[user]... > > I'd been meaning to write it up. Seems like I had at least one other > thought about it, too, but that escapes me just now. > > So what had happened was... In my instance(s), it was a combination of > rysnc and a faulty USB connection for an external hard drive. Rsync > would just create a new target instead of complaining that one I > wanted didn't exist (because the USB connection had just once again > failed).. > > Since I was copying to that external hard drive, > /media/elf/data-partition/copied-files-directory was where it was > going. When rsync couldn't find that (because the USB connection had > just once again failed), rsync simply created that... SOMEHOW on my > primary hard drive under /media/elf. > > Took a couple months before I discovered it had been happening. That > occurred when I by accident noticed something called > /media/elf/data-partition_... > > And /media/elf/data-partition__ > > AND /media/elf/data-partition___ > > Flailing around on my hard drive, all ONLY visible and accessible > directly under /media. > > The additional "__" and "___"? Created k/t a mix of how both rsync and > my Debian (likely Jessie as testing then) were trying to accommodate > my scenario. > > The secondary issue became that my Debian very quietly began mounting > the (faulty USB) external hard drive by adding its own "_"(s) once the > original /media/elf/data-partition name became permanently "mounted" > under /media. Apparently addending an upward number of "_" is, or at > least was, part of renaming nomenclature done on the fly if something > already appears under /media. > > Moral of the Story is that hard drive space was very quietly being > eaten alive while that was going on in a place we don't normally > visually inspect... and that space usage also was not being reflected > numerically via any utility tool package I knew to run at that moment. > > See why I hadn't tried to write it up yet? *grin!* And now the followup: Didn't think to check until after sending the original. For anyone interested, I just duplicated the effect by simply manually adding an empty directory under /media/elf. The name must be what you anticipate for a partition that's about to mount for real. I didn't mount the newly created directory name, just added it then connected my external USB hard drive. Slightly different results these days. Disclaimer there is that it might be because I'm using Thunar via Xfce4. Instead of adding "_", I'm seeing "1" added to the newly mounted directory name (that otherwise duplicates one Debian sees as pre-existing under /media/[user]. Actually thinking ahead THIS time, I unmounted the real partition, manually now created "data-partition01" under /media/elf. Remounted the original (real) data-partition0" and... "/media/elf/data-partition02" was spawned (as anticipated) because, in my system's eye, /media/elf/data-partition0 and /media/elf/data-partition01 appear to already be in use. Again, the reason for doing this at all is because one, no actually, two packages *were* doing exactly that on their own at some point. This isn't because I just one day got the bright idea to see what happens when a user throws a new manually created directory under /media/[user]. :) Anyway... This morning, I'm only seeing "data-partition0"
Re: which files took the space
On 3/3/16, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > On 4/03/2016 3:07 AM, Adam Wilson wrote: >> On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 03:03:53 +1100 Andrew McGlashan >> wrote: >>> It also may have been files in the file system, but where another file >>> system mount hides them >> >> What does this mean? Mounts overlapping and hiding other mounts? >> >> Explain, please. > > Yes, this is more likely to happen to the root file system. > > Say you have a bunch of files in /boot, but for some reason you have a > /boot partition that wasn't mounted when those files were created > then you mount the /normal/ boot partition over it and now the other > files are now hidden from view, but still taking up space. Is that behavior as designed and thus expected, or is it a glitch? My brain's thinking it should either complain and refuse to continue else obliterate and replace. To me it would be... safer that it halt and complain rather than destroy, but all that shows is that I most likely just don't understand the function. Do (and/or should) the original files "reappear" later? Guess I'm just thinking out loud again mostly because I actually understand the circumstance as presented. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: Software center has shuting down
On 3/30/16, Ric Moore wrote: > On 03/29/2016 02:38 PM, Rafał Mróz wrote: >> Software center in Stretch/Sid has shuting down i try report in >> Reportbug but i can't > > You made me look. There IS a gnome-software-common deb package, but no > software-center ala Ubuntu. I actually.physically *shuddered* when I read those words. That was just before then thinking... In Debian? Rafal, my kneejerk observation is... if you went to some extraordinary effort to install "that" Software Center in Debian, that right there may well be the issue. I've actually been there and done that. Tried it a couple times, and those couple times things like stability would QUICKLY degrade into a non-functional mess. If you're speaking of something else that you're calling "Software Center", you'll need to find out the exact name of the package so others can help further.. IF THIS WAS ME... I would update my software center by its name via a terminal command line using APT. That means you would first have to run "apt-get update" to make sure your system is pulling from the absolute latest releases available. Then you would run, well, *I* would run... "apt-get install [software-package-name]". But again you need the exact name of your software update center. For newcomers who don't know, you can 99 times'ISH out of 100 find that name by looking for the word "Help" in your software's toolbar then clicking "About" that is found there by consistent, universal focused design across developers. If your package is crashing as quickly as it sounds for Rafal's, you might have click FAST to find it. As a further aside, one lesson learned on the fly was that the terminal command "ps -a" gives me that information, too. That's only for packages that are running (that are being actively used). For the permanent record, it's things just like what you're going through here that landed me at APT where I have never looked back since going that route for updates, package inquiries, and new installs. I LOVE the feeling of control that it gives Good luck! Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: What is cisco-sccp?
On 4/3/16, Gábor Hársfalvi wrote: > > 2016-04-03 16:43 GMT+02:00 Sven Hartge : > >> Gábor Hársfalvi wrote: >> >> > Sorry - I mean it for that -> >> >> > 2000/udp Cisco SCCP (Skinny) >> > < >> https://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Skinny_Client_Control_Protocol&action=edit&redlink=1 >> >> Use "netstat -lupn | grep :2000" as root to get the process listening on >> UDP port 2000. > > After run that as root nothing message. Cisco's own website has a page titled "TCP and UDP Ports Used by Cisco CallManager 3.3": http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/voice-unified-communications/unified-communications-manager-callmanager/43881-ccm-tcp-udp-ports.html That's all I know about it. It was found via an Internet search on keywords picked from this thread. Just hoping that lead sheds some light on it or at least leads to something else on their website that explains why you're seeing what you've found.. PS What I did see but don't know if I'm understanding correctly is that CSSP / IP Phone reference on that Cisco page. A different quick search without clicking on any pages shows multiple references to VOIP and VOIP capable computers. Mentioning that in case that tickles any memory of using that feature with something. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
OT But Still: Who has Ian's Computer(s)?
Hi... Gábor's question, "What is cisco-sccp?" [1], just triggered a thought. Who has Ian's [2] computers? Were they preserved in their last used state as one might surely expect to be done with respect to someone of his tech value and history? Most unhumbly... if it has not already been done, his daily, personal equipment needs scrutinized for ANY signs of stealth *leeching* type _intrusion_ that would have occurred from within a few feet of his home. It's a no-brainer that his equipment was likely scoured for last days of correspondence but not necessarily for whether he had been [jail broken] by neighbors somehow. I'm talking about just out right [tick ant] "leeching", NOT "espionage" type behavior As a potential... explanation. Just thinking out loud. Cindy :) [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/04/msg00123.html [2] Wed, 2 Feb 94 19:16 PST with Ian saying, "[A]fter Mike and I open a PO Box tomorrow we're going to announce the existence of ." https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1994/02/msg00046.html -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * The Shadow Knows. *
Re: Bug report (ASUS M2NPV/VM: Garbled screen instead of GUI)
On 4/4/16, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 04 April 2016 05:01:57 Manfred wrote: > >> >If you are unable to determine which package your bug report should >> > be filed against, please send e-mail to the Debian user mailing list >> > asking for advice. >> >> Ok, so I'm asking for advice, since Debian doesn't even boot >> correctly. >> >> Besides that, my bug report would be as follows: >> >> Package: ??? >> Version: 8.3.0-live ? >> >> No GUI when booting debian-live-8.3.0-i386-gnome-desktop.iso as well >> as debian-live-8.3.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso. >> >> Instead of the GUI (desktop etc.) only a garbled screen: Sometimes >> black with only a mouse pointer, sometimes yellow and green horizontal >> blocks or other weird patterns. The system mostly hangs after a couple >> of mouse clicks. >> >> ASUS motherboard M2NPV/VM with on-board NVIDIA GeForce 6150 graphics, >> 3GB RAM, Athlon X2 240e. > > Do you know what "family" that Athlon is? It should be listed as the > machine is booting if you get rid of the quiet and splash keywords in > the grub command line by using the grub editor. > > Family 15 and earlier have no microcode update capability, and family 15 > in particular has an unfixable halt bug. What about something like video driver and/or screen resolution? I have had a similar problem with an older Debian based distro when all other distros work (are viewable). It was always just kneejerk reaction that it "felt like" driver or resolution issue. It occurred across multiple laptops, too. It SEEMS LIKE I was able to get the distro to at least half function if I could navigate through the garble and into the settings manager. The visuals would be duplicated anywhere from 3 to 7 times across the screen. I just reread the issue description above. It sure sounds VERY familiar although it has been a long time since I've experienced it. :) Just thinking out loud... :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks *
Re: bug reporting and packages
On 4/4/16, Alan Fujinami wrote: > Hi, > I was going to use the bugreport feature of my Debian 8.3 install... it say > if I don't know the package then I should contact you... > my bug is that I have a ps2mouse. Whenever the computer goes into > screensaver mode, the mouse icon disappears. I have to reboot to bring it > back. I tried modprobe and a few other things to no avail. > So what package is affected? > alan While you're waiting for others to respond, how many PS/2 ports do you have? If there's more than one, can you take a quick peek and make sure you're actually plugged into the mouse port and not the keyboard one? That option came up as a fix on a recent Debian-User thread. Additionally, I also experienced that a few years ago. In those instances, the mouse would function seemingly normal for a while and then would eventually glitch to where nothing short of a reboot would fix things. Just out of curiosity, too, how much memory do you have? Occasionally memory (or the lack of it) plays a part in glitches related to paths that head towards hibernate, suspend, etc. A PS to it is this is a good trigger for learning the keyboard shortcuts necessary for at least getting to "Log Out" and/or "Settings > Mouse and Touchpad" under the Applications menu. ALT+F1 works for me, grin. Just thinking out loud.. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks *
Re: Disable knotify sounds using xfce
On 4/9/16, Ralph Katz wrote: > On 04/06/2016 05:13 PM, Lucio Crusca wrote: >> >> Il 05/04/2016 13:34, Liam O'Toole ha scritto: >>> I'm not using KDE at the moment, but my experience of it is that all >>> KDE applications store their configuration in text files. Is there a >>> knotifyrc file somewhere on your system? See the "second way" in the >>> following link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2174789 >> >> No, there is no such file in my system. There was once with KDE 4 for >> sure, because I have found that file in a old backup copy of a different >> system, but now there isn't anymore. > > Just for the archives, my jessie system has knotifyrc installed by > libknotifyconfig4 as a dependency of akregator (RSS reader): > > ralph@spike2 ~$ locate knotifyrc > /home/ralph/.kde/share/config/knotifyrc > ralph@spike2 ~$ cat .kde/share/config/knotifyrc > [StartProgress] > Arts Init=false > KNotify Init=true > Use Arts=false > ralph@spike2 ~$ What about... aka would there be any harm in... Lucio adding this file back in just for kicks and giggles to see if it works? I remember doing that consistently for I THINK it was kppprc while living via Live DVDs (in Knoppix?). The acknowledged difference between his usage and mine is that I THINK I remember that kppp would create its own file that I replaced after each reboot where Lucio's instance is not generating that file at all. One potential inference then might be that knotify had obsoleted it... or something. I can't see where it would do so because it's about local user setting *_CHOICES_* but still... :) Just thinking out loud... again. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks *
Re: Trouble getting posted
On 4/9/16, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Gary Roach > wrote: > >> I have tried to post a couple of things in the last few days with no >> results. My posts never show up. So this is another test. >> >> Is it possible that your email client is not showing your post in your > inbox until it gets a reply? Gmail does that (annoyingly). I just ran a quick search through my own inbox. He's showing up in 2 threads today then nothing previous going backwards until March 16th, I think it was.. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks *
Tip: [Solved] Correct password login fail when CAPS LOCK not on
Hi, One of my most favoritest of Lists :) This is me... trying to make a glass half full day out of having just lost two large windows full of Internet travels via Chromium. In the process of attempting to recover those windows, I chose to reboot a time or two to clear things out. Being frustrated, I wasn't precise so my Fingertip keyboariding was sloppy. That's when I hit a repeatedly encountered error for which I've only just recently realized one cause(y) The error I encountered was the one that I've seen lamented a few times here on the list. It's about constant log on password fail when we KNOW FOR FACT the caps lock key is NOT on and we KNOW FOR FACT the password we're typing is EXACTLY WHAT IT SHOULD... It turns out that the error SOMETIMES is about dragging our Fingertips for a split extra nano-second when we don't realize we're doing so. The reason we never discover that particular error is because our password entries are hidden from sight by security design. My accidental discovery of this particular error fix is BECAUSE I personally next do the same, meaning drag my own Fingertips a split extra nano-second too long, when I'm then typing in the next *visually viewable* command (in tty1). For my personal #Debian use, that command is: startx. Occasionally THAT command will additionally fail because I've just typed in "staartx" or "starrtx" instead even though I actually did NOT type that in on purpose. What it's *most likely* about is something to do with the most default, universal of settings *potentially* defined at the top of the whole login process default order. If it's not consciously defined by developers as a default, then it's something innate within our systems. The setting that would potentially have an effect in this case MIGHT be something like keyboard behavior affecting the single key double-click time span. That type of setting affects our ability to repeat a bunch of the same single characters rapidly and all at once... or not. After we each actually enter our chosen desktop environments, that type of user definable custom setting is then found under something fairly universal like Applications > Settings > Mouse and Touchpad.. *BUT*those settings do NOT take effect until our individual users *successfully* sign in to the desktop GUI k/t our chosen passwords. that occasionally inexplicably do not work regardless of all the bazillions of helpful tips found everywhere across the entire Internet Occasionally those password fails boil down to minute keyboard click drag... and that's why the password then just as mysteriously and suddenly begins to work again... That sudden, mysterious success is occasionally because, under those circumstances, we have a tendency to drop down to the elementary level of one finger hunt-and-peck. Our keyboard clicks become a more meticulous poke-poke-poke that tends to eliminate the causative keyboard drag in the process. Just thinking out loud... Wishing everyone out there a likewise glass half full kind of day.. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs... in circles more often than she used to.. *
Re: chroot setup problem
On 4/22/16, Haines Brown wrote: > On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:04:41AM +, Mark Fletcher wrote: > >> Does /mnt/debinst/bin/bash exist? >> >> It's looking for /bin/bash in the chrooted environment and not finding >> it. > > I fixed this and: > > $ ls -la /mnt/debinst/bin > ... > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 941252 Apr 22 06:22 bash > > but still: > > # LANG=C.UTF8 chroot /mnt/debinst /mnt/debinst/bin/bash > chroot: failed to run command `/mnt/debinst/bin/bash': > No such file or directory > > Am I misunderstanding the chroot syntax? It seems the object is to run > /mnt/debinst/bin/bash with its root being /mnt/debinst/. This is the [syntax] I use: LANG=C.UTF-8 chroot /mnt/cin /bin/bash /mnt/cin was my easier to type and remember alternative to /mnt/debinst. Gets it done for me every time. It was just a twist on what I'd found on the Net when I first taught myself that part of Debian (for debootstrap installations). I'd never *thought* about how or why it was doing what it was doing until reading through this thread... Are you all saying that it starts looking for /bin/bash AFTER it's inside the chroot session? I started to say: "If the answer to that question is yes, then what's happening with the failed /mnt/debinst/bin/bash is that the /mnt/debinst path in fact does *not* exist to your target chroot session once you're inside chroot. That aspect of the process was hard for my brain to wrap itself around originally after a few years's worth of experience where anything Linux was able to access anything else it wanted." BUT: After thinking yet that much harder on this, maybe there's some magic command that a fellow user knows that changes that. The potential for such a command never occurred to me because I had no driving need for it. I could always complete what was needed by simply switching between terminals that represented a latest shiny, new deboostrap install and its old, worn out, "cruft" filled predecessor. Just now the thought crossed my mind that maybe some chroot sessions do in fact demand the ability to access the outside World depending on their purpose along with what's already installed. Since you're working with /mnt/debinst, I'm a-suming this is potentially a phenomenally basic deboostrap install attempt because I remember being instructed to create that same directory for my own original debootstrap attempts. Good luck! Cindy -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * would run in a pair of rain galoshes... if she owned them *
Re: debian applications for Itunes?
On 5/12/16, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Hi everyone, > I recall this in a thread a very long time ago. > Is there not an application that allows Debian particularly, or Linux in > general to get content from ITunes? I just ran an "apt-cache search itune" command line query and received a few results that looked interesting: amarok - easy to use media player based on the KDE Platform mopidy-podcast-itunes - Mopidy extension for searching and browsing iTunes podcasts podget - Podcast aggregrator/downloader optimized for cron rhythmbox - music player and organizer for GNOME shairport-sync - AirPlay audio player tangerine - music server using DAAP tunesviewer - program to access media and podcasts from iTunes U There were a few other things in there that I culled out, including some where "itune" had a meaning unrelated to the usual mental image the word "iTunes" invokes. I left "shairport-sync" and "tangerine" in because I really didn't know what they were. Figured they might be of interest later if not now That was a search done on a setup that still only uses one single repository. You may receive back even better results with a similar search against more than just that one basic repository that I use. Good luck! Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: apt-get: Why "Unable to find source package" errors?
On 8/21/17, Dejan Jocic wrote: > On 20-08-17, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Kynn Jones wrote: >> > Example: >> > >> > % sudo apt-get build-dep emacs25 >> > Reading package lists... Done >> > E: Unable to find a source package for emacs25 >> > >> > I have run `apt-get update` before running the command above, and my >> > `/etc/apt/sources.list` file contains the following >> > >> > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main contrib non-free >> > deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main contrib non-free >> > >> > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-updates main contrib >> > non-free >> > deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-updates main contrib >> > non-free >> > >> > deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib >> > non-free >> > deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib >> > non-free >> > >> > What am I doing wrong? >> >> Your apt-get build-dep command is fine. This could be be a problem >> with the particular mirror you are using. Try using >> http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ instead of >> http://deb.debian.org/debian and see if that works. >> > > Actually, httpredir.debian.org is unmaintained and all it does is to > redirect to deb.debian.org. What he does miss is / after debian. So it > looks like this: > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free > deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free > deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free I came in here to ask about the "apt-get update", too. I was also wondering about the "httpredir" one. There was some publicity about it becoming "a thing" to do a long time ago. Then I noticed it disappeared out of my new installations. And then I read something about it going by the wayside. :) I tried this command earlier. It failed with the same error as Kynn. While I was dissecting to see if I could catch some tiny error in Kynn's sources.list, I smacked myself in the head about mine. Of course mine wouldn't work. My sources.list was only one line. It didn't have the deb-src line. Always wondered what that was for, now I know. I had just been thinking about changing that yesterday so I did today. My lines don't have slashes at the end. I didn't do that. Debootstrap sets it up with no trailing slash. In fact I just got to verify for 100% because I ran the first step in debootstrap'ing Sid again a couple hours ago. I just ran the "apt-get build-dep emacs25" command again.. It's working as expected now... so I'm back to leaning heavy on did you "apt-get update"? :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: Package postgresql-9.6 is not configured yet
On 8/23/17, Marco DE BOOIJ wrote: > I recently did an apt-get upgrade and it did not want to install a newer > version of postgresql-contrib-9.6. I searched the web and tried to > reinstall it (with remove and install because I did not want to loose my > database) but did did not solve it. Before I will try to purge and > install it I want to ask if there is an 'easier' way. I also tried dpkg > --configure postgresql-9.6 but this fails: > > root:~# dpkg --configure postgresql-9.6 > Setting up postgresql-9.6 (9.6.4-1.pgdg80+1) ... > dpkg: error processing package postgresql-9.6 (--configure): > subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit > status 102 > Errors were encountered while processing: > postgresql-9.6 > root:~# > > I checked the logfiles dpkg.log and alternatives.log but I saw no clear > information. > > dpkg.log: > > 2017-08-23 15:45:28 startup packages configure > 2017-08-23 15:45:28 configure postgresql-9.6:amd64 9.6.4-1.pgdg80+1 > 2017-08-23 15:45:28 status half-configured postgresql-9.6:amd64 > 9.6.4-1.pgdg80+1 > > alternatives.log showed only update-alternatives 2017-08-23 15:45:29: > run with --install with all files for *man*. > > Recently I removed version 9.5. Perhaps this is the reason for the > problem. Some information on the installation: > > root:~# dpkg-query -l | grep postgres > ii pgdg-keyring 2017.1 > iU postgresql9.6+184.pgdg80+1 > iF postgresql-9.69.6.4-1.pgdg80+1 > ii postgresql-client-9.6 9.6.4-1.pgdg80+1 > ii postgresql-client-common 184.pgdg80+1 > ii postgresql-common 184.pgdg80+1 > iU postgresql-contrib9.6+184.pgdg80+1 > iU postgresql-contrib-9.69.6.4-1.pgdg80+1 > root:~# apt-get install postgresql postgresql-contrib > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > postgresql is already the newest version. > postgresql-contrib is already the newest version. > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > 4 not fully installed or removed. > After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] > Setting up postgresql-9.6 (9.6.4-1.pgdg80+1) ... > dpkg: error processing package postgresql-9.6 (--configure): > subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit > status 102 > dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of postgresql: > postgresql depends on postgresql-9.6; however: >Package postgresql-9.6 is not configured yet. That "4 not fully installed or removed." is one part of whatever is going on. I've had that happen if I CTRL+C cancel a command before it's finished, but there could be any number of other reasons why it happens, I'm sure. There's a command that you can run, but I forget what it is that *usually* cleans up house for me. ONCE in a while it's a bigger battle than just that, though. A search attempt on the Net landed me the possibility that I'm thinking of: dpkg --configure -a I took that back to "man dpkg" which additionally references "dpkg-reconfigure". PLEASE do *NOT* try these without researching what they do. I *have*, yes, had success, and those sound familiar of part of that success. Maybe someone else has insight based on those *if* they're appropriate to consider as one option in your instance.. Good luck with your situation.. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: STOP
On 8/26/17, Ben Finney wrote: > Nothin's Gonna > >> STOP > > Us Now Yippee-Ki-Yay
Re: XFCE wm deadlocks on (other) console logout
On 8/28/17, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > I consistently get a deadlock of the XFCE window manager, immediately > after I logout of say Linux console 2, when e.g. XFCE is running on > console 1. > > Procedure to replicate: > > 1. login to console 1 > > 2. start xfce > > 3. switch to console 2 (e.g. CTRL+ALT+F2) > > 4. loging to console 2 > > 5. logout of console 2 (e.g. CTRL+D) > > > Notably, when I'm on console 2, either logged in or not, I can safely > use ALT+Left to go to console 1 and appears my XFCE desktop. > > Similarly using Ctrl+Alt+F1 > > So I'm guessing some sort of unhandled race condition, but I'm at a > loss as to how to debug this. I may not be quite understanding, but I just played along from behind the lurk wall I had a BUNCH of shtuff open at that second. I didn't think things through clearly, i.e. if mine locked up, I would have lost some shtuff... As it was... I got locked out... kinda sorta. I CTRL+ALT+F2 logged in to where I was still in console. Typed a few "asdfasdfasdf" that obviously failed, and logged out. I. CTRL+ALT+F1... And there I sat at the login prompt. As soon that happened, I had a memory recall of having been there, done there a couple months ago and never followed up on it. I didn't try logging in because part of that memory recall is that I might have lost some data on the last go-round with it. I THOUGHT that F1 was the first console, is it not? Out of pure *panic*, I went down the row. F3, F4, F5.. Mystery solved: F7 is the new F1 in my case. I started to ask if that helps in your case, but it sounds like you're already able to use CTRL+ALT+F1 as expected so *?* Just thinking out loud.. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: Resign me from your lists
On 8/28/17, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> On 28/08/17 01:09, Reco wrote: >> > >> > X-Spam-Status contains LDOSUBSCRIBER for you, me, and everyone >> > that's on the list. Like this: [...] > > I just looked at my copy, it did not contain that string in > x-spam-status. I'm in usual in-the-moment cognitive gear where something doesn't occur to me unless it's triggered by something else absolutely and directly related. Like you running yours in secondary response after it first came up. Only then did it occur to me to test drive mine. They're definitely not all the same in case anyone has them backed up and not yet deleted. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * Elsie: A 1958 3/4 ton Studebaker Transtar pickup truck with 3 on the tree. Was lottery image invoking to see this name in spam simultaneous to 2nd piece that used my name *
Re: Resign me from your lists
On 8/28/17, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 28 August 2017 10:22:48 Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > >> On 8/28/17, Gene Heskett wrote: >> >> On 28/08/17 01:09, Reco wrote: >> >> > X-Spam-Status contains LDOSUBSCRIBER for you, me, and everyone >> >> > that's on the list. Like this: [...] >> > >> > I just looked at my copy, it did not contain that string in >> > x-spam-status. >> >> I'm in usual in-the-moment cognitive gear where something doesn't >> occur to me unless it's triggered by something else absolutely and >> directly related. >> >> Like you running yours in secondary response after it first came up. >> Only then did it occur to me to test drive mine. >> >> They're definitely not all the same in case anyone has them backed up >> and not yet deleted. >> >> Cindy :) > > There could easily be differences in the option list spamd is using that > would/could/should cause this miss-match. I am not using some of the > more "exotic" filters available as it seemed they caused more FP's than > it was worth feeding them back into sa-learn --ham. This particular > thing did look like it might be good to raise its score by say 4 points, > but I haven't a clue which of the extras is able to pronounce this odd > category. So I just hit the red x when I see one, and poof, its no > longer using space on my HD. Something that IMO, should have been caught > before it was broadcast to the whole of the English speaking list > subscribers. But I didn't write the rules, I just reserve the right to > bitch. :-) *grin* I just had some more come in. A very short one, a VERY long one, one completely non-existent, and one last one that was something about "forged mua mozilla".. The one I was basing my observation on earlier turned out to be OOPS. It was someone we knew. The fact that there is so much difference there still stands out. It's an interesting distraction today. I've known about headers since late 1990's, but this is the first time I've truly stopped and looked at that part of them. Prior to today, that was the stuff that kept cognitively getting in the way of whatever I was really seeking there. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: Inconsistent predictable interface names
On 8/29/17, Reco wrote:
>
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 01:04:06PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 07:45:41PM +0300, Reco wrote:
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 11:01:35AM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
>> > > Hello,
>> > > I am experiencing an odd issue with a new install of Stretch.
>> > > I do get the new predictable interface name for my ethernet (enp3s0).
>> > > However I still have the old name for the wireless network card
>> > > (wlan0).
>> > > So I checked /etc/systemd/network if there is any .link file, there
>> > > isn't.
>> > > Also grub is configured correctly ("quiet" being the only kernel
>> > > parameter).
>> > > Where else might I have to check and which program might be
>> > > overwriting
>> > > this?
>> >
>> > Please post the output of this (root is needed):
>> >
>> > udevadm test /sys/class/net/wlan0
>>
>>
>> This program is for debugging only, it does not run any program
>> specified by a RUN key. It may show incorrect results, because
>> some values may be different, or not available at a simulation run.
>>
>> ACTION=add
>> DEVPATH=/devices/pci:00/:00:15.0/:02:00.0/ssb0:0/net/wlan0
>> DEVTYPE=wlan
>> ID_BUS=pci
>> ID_MM_CANDIDATE=1
>> ID_MODEL_FROM_DATABASE=BCM4322 802.11a/b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller
>> (AirPort Extreme)
>> ID_MODEL_ID=0x432b
>> ID_NET_DRIVER=b43
>> ID_NET_LINK_FILE=/lib/systemd/network/99-default.link
>> ID_NET_NAME_MAC=wlxd8a25e8dabb1
>> ID_OUI_FROM_DATABASE=Apple, Inc.
>> ID_PATH=pci-:02:00.0
>> ID_PATH_TAG=pci-_02_00_0
>> ID_PCI_CLASS_FROM_DATABASE=Network controller
>> ID_PCI_SUBCLASS_FROM_DATABASE=Network controller
>> ID_VENDOR_FROM_DATABASE=Broadcom Limited
>> ID_VENDOR_ID=0x14e4
>> IFINDEX=3
>> INTERFACE=wlan0
>> SUBSYSTEM=net
>> SYSTEMD_ALIAS=/sys/subsystem/net/devices/wlan0
>> TAGS=:systemd:
>> USEC_INITIALIZED=16526604
>> run: 'ifupdown-hotplug'
>> run: '/lib/systemd/systemd-sysctl --prefix=/net/ipv4/conf/wlan0
>> --prefix=/net/ipv4/neigh/wlan0 --prefix=/net/ipv6/conf/wlan0
>> --prefix=/net/ipv6/neigh/wlan0'
>
> Hm. This particular output seems to lack 'trie on-disk' blurb that shows
> exact udev configuration files that could influence its decision, but
> that's pure cosmetic.
> The main difference from the hardware I have access to is the lack of
> ID_NET_NAME and ID_NET_NAME_PATH attributes.
>
> Presumably that's because this particular class of PCI devices is not
> recognised by net_id and net_setup_link udev builtins as a valid NIC.
> It could be fixed in newer udev, or not.
>
> Long story short - you've found a udev bug.
>
> A good thing is - it has as easy workaround as creating a .link file
> like this:
>
> [Match]
> MACAddress=d8:a2:5e:8d:ab:b1
> [Link]
> Name=enp2s0
>
> Or whatever 'predictable' name you prefer. I believe that in your
> conditions 'wlan0' is predictable enough ☺.
I left everything in there in case somehow it already says "yes or
no". Is it possible that's previously declared somewhere, possibly
maybe in user configuration files that would carry over from upgrade
to upgrade? Maybe like something manually altered via a network
manager at some point... or something? :)
Just thinking out loud... :)
Cindy :)
--
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with duct tape *
Re: want pinning with examples to prevent unwanted package(s) from being installed
On 8/31/17, Felix Miata wrote: > Dejan Jocic composed on 2017-08-31 08:51 (UTC+0200): > >> Felix Miata wrote: > >>> Over an hour I've been searching in vain, apparently using broken >>> Google-fu, for >>> something using examples to explain how to prevent unwanted package(s) >>> from >>> being installed via pinning when apt-mark's hold is being disregarded. >>> Anyone >>> familiar with an URL that would do this? > >>> In openSUSE, it's a simple process: > >>> zypper al unwantedpackagename[version] > >>> That's all there is to it, other than it also works with wildcards. > >> Not sure that I understand, because man page gives enough examples. > > To start with, the question "which man page" needed to be solved. > >> Like: > >> P < 0 >> prevents the version from being installed > >> So, for preventing some package to be installed: > >> Package: somepackage >> Pin: origin "" >> Pin-Priority: -1 > > I never saw an example that wasn't part of a group that included multiple > release names, none with the null string for origin. > >> That will prevent all packages with somepackage name to be installed, no >> matter of origin. In Pin section, you can use release instead, if you >> want to restrict just specific release, but that is all well explained >> in man page of apt_preferences with lots of examples. > > Now that I see that apt_preferences is the relevant doc, I don't see it as > "well" explained. "The file" isn't given a name. There is no "file" that > seems > applicable to locking anything in in /etc/apt/, though there is an empty > directory "/etc/apt/preferences.d/", which to me doesn't imply anything to > do > with locking. > > I gave it several stabs. I created /etc/apt/preferences.d/1grub.pref that > eventually reached the following state: > > Package: grub > Pin: origin "" > Pin-Priority: -1 > < snipped for brevity > > > I'm still getting told the following will be installed: > grub-common grub-gfxpayload-lists grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common > os-prober > > This is a multiboot system, so no space-wasting, updates time-wasting > bootloader > is needed or wanted on the installation making this insistence. I just tracked down a sample I saved for myself during that recent time period where wpasupplicant was being a pain: Package: wpasupplicant Pin: version 2.5-2+v2.4-3+b1 Pin-Priority: 1001 My apologies, but I'm not able to remember *why* I did it exactly like that. I'm thinking maybe it was specifically "pinned" to that version number... maybe. I do remember that it was garnered from an example somewhere out on the W-W-W. However they explained their own example, that right there helped me at that time. In fact so much so that my inner geekette became a little more empowered that day. * yippee ki ay* :D Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: want pinning with examples to prevent unwanted package(s) from being installed
On 8/31/17, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > On 8/31/17, Felix Miata wrote: >> Dejan Jocic composed on 2017-08-31 08:51 (UTC+0200): >> >>> Felix Miata wrote: >> >>>> Over an hour I've been searching in vain, apparently using broken >>>> Google-fu, for >>>> something using examples to explain how to prevent unwanted package(s) >>>> from >>>> being installed via pinning when apt-mark's hold is being disregarded. >>>> Anyone >>>> familiar with an URL that would do this? >> >>>> In openSUSE, it's a simple process: >> >>>>zypper al unwantedpackagename[version] >> >>>> That's all there is to it, other than it also works with wildcards. >> >>> Not sure that I understand, because man page gives enough examples. >> >> To start with, the question "which man page" needed to be solved. >> >>> Like: >> >>> P < 0 >>> prevents the version from being installed >> >>> So, for preventing some package to be installed: >> >>> Package: somepackage >>> Pin: origin "" >>> Pin-Priority: -1 >> >> I never saw an example that wasn't part of a group that included multiple >> release names, none with the null string for origin. >> >>> That will prevent all packages with somepackage name to be installed, no >>> matter of origin. In Pin section, you can use release instead, if you >>> want to restrict just specific release, but that is all well explained >>> in man page of apt_preferences with lots of examples. >> >> Now that I see that apt_preferences is the relevant doc, I don't see it >> as >> "well" explained. "The file" isn't given a name. There is no "file" that >> seems >> applicable to locking anything in in /etc/apt/, though there is an empty >> directory "/etc/apt/preferences.d/", which to me doesn't imply anything >> to >> do >> with locking. >> >> I gave it several stabs. I created /etc/apt/preferences.d/1grub.pref that >> eventually reached the following state: >> >> Package: grub >> Pin: origin "" >> Pin-Priority: -1 >> > < snipped for brevity > >> >> I'm still getting told the following will be installed: >> grub-common grub-gfxpayload-lists grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common >> os-prober >> >> This is a multiboot system, so no space-wasting, updates time-wasting >> bootloader >> is needed or wanted on the installation making this insistence. > > > I just tracked down a sample I saved for myself during that recent > time period where wpasupplicant was being a pain: > > Package: wpasupplicant > Pin: version 2.5-2+v2.4-3+b1 > Pin-Priority: 1001 > > My apologies, but I'm not able to remember *why* I did it exactly like > that. I'm thinking maybe it was specifically "pinned" to that version > number... maybe. A couple references that may or may not help. I am, yes, noting that they potentially feel a little outdated. * Debian Cheat Sheet; Carlo Wood, March 2007 https://web.archive.org/web/20121024134944/http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/debian.html#errata * AptPreferences; Debian Wiki; last modified ~2017.06.30 https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences Maybe one or the other has something that will help yet more. I'm still not remembering why I used "1001" when other numbers are equally, if not more so, referenced online. An Internet search for "1001" coincidentally pointed me straight to Stretch's manpages: https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/apt/apt_preferences.5.en.html Stretch and thus Stretch manpages are what I was using at that moment when I successfully pinned wpasupplicant so maybe that's where I picked up that detail. That Archive.org page is being cantankerous for me. You're looking for the heading of "Pinning Errata" if that one doesn't immediately leap down to that heading. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?
On 9/2/17, Tom Browder wrote: > My Linux user group is setting up one desktop computer and one laptop > computer for lending to our local library as an educational resource for > folks who want to explore what Linux is all about. We are using Debian 9 > for now. > > I am open to any suggestions for standard packages we should add. I have > already installed gcc and friends as well as Scilab, R, Perl 6, and some > other stuff, including emacs. > > I would especially appreciate other ideas for programming editors for > novice programmers. I understand that you're talking about programming, but I also like to show people that there are fully functional packages such as video editors (e.g. OpenShot) and image manipulators (e.g. GIMP GNU Image Manipulation Program). I like to do that to show that it's a one-stop shopping deal, that you don't have to flip back and forth depending on what activity a user has in mind. My memory is that GNOME and KDE both appear to possibly have another package or two that show that things can be extensively fun, "colorful", challenging (for lack of better descriptive words just this second).. Gwenview from maybe five years ago was coming to mind there. I just tested installing it before posting this. It's only 35MB these days. That's average for my installs. I remember Gwenview being more like 100 or so while dragging along things I just did NOT want to install. Either I already have its dependencies installed these days, or it has become more of a stand on its own kind of package. :) ANYWAY... :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: (solved) Re: how to roll back to jessie
On 9/3/17, songbird wrote: > Long Wind wrote: > ... >> I have decided re-install jessie from scratch >> Thanks to all those who reply! > > you're welcome. it's really the easiest way to > go if you want quickest and easiest approach. It's about the "cleanest" route. You get to start all over with a fresh, clean slate. Being able to easily save the .deb archive files makes reinstalling favorite programs *so easy*, too. Tools are making it easier to keep tabs primarily on the /etc directory where we fiddle around in there, too. Beyond that, much of what we don't want to lose ends up under /home/[user]. It has been a very long time since I've lost anything setting wise so things are really seeming user friendly. You can always save the problem child install somewhere off to the side... and then either play around with it later to learn something new from it Or just delete it down the road and teach yourself something even newer than that because Time is too precious these days. *kernelnewbies, cough-cough* :D Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: network trouble on stretch
On 9/3/17, Glenn English wrote: > Working on a Dell 5414 laptop, Stretch. > > The WiFi works, but the Ethernet doesn't, and I can't figure out why. > > ip addr: > > 1: lo: mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN > group default qlen 1 > link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 > inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo >valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever > inet6 ::1/128 scope host >valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever > 2: enp0s31f6: mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN > group default qlen 1000 > link/ether 10:05:01:40:f4:43 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff > 3: wwp0s20f0u2i12: mtu 1500 qdisc noop > state DOWN group default qlen 1000 > link/ether 4e:8a:3a:22:b3:df brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff > 4: wlp1s0: mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group > default qlen 1000 > link/ether f4:8c:50:17:bc:0e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff > 5: enx10050149649d: mtu 1500 qdisc noop state > DOWN group default qlen 1000 > link/ether 10:05:01:49:64:9d brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff > > /etc/network/interfaces: > > # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system > # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5). > > source /etc/network/interfaces.d/* > > # The loopback network interface > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback > > auto wwp0s20f0u2i12 > iface wwp0s20f0u2i12 inet static > address 216.17.134.202/29 > gateway 216.17.134.201 > > First I tried with wicd, a network manager (the static def wasn't in > interfaces) > > It said the wired interface was up, and assigned the requested IP. It > wasn't checking after assignment to see if it worked. I turned that > on, and it never came back. > > I removed the network monitor and added the static paragraph to the > interface file. ifup and ifdown worked, and ip addr said > wwp0s20f0u2i12 was up. > > There are two Ethernet ports on this thing, and I tried both with no > success. I swapped out the Ethernet cable with the same result. > > I replaced Stretch with Buster. It works. dhcp (Comcast) or static (my > T1). Using the interfaces file. > > BTW. ifconfig fans, wait till you get to Buster -- no ifup or down. > Buster seems to boot using a commented out dhcp paragraph, though. > Running by hand, '/etc/init.d/network reload' loads the correct > config. > > The 'man interfaces' on Stretch talks a lot about the ethn interfaces. > It does on Buster, too. > > This is less than optimal. > > What's going on here? This is Linux, not Winders; Debian, not Ubuntu; > stable, not Sid. This is what we're supposed to put on Internet > servers? They had time to make something as simple as this work while > it was testing. And to correct the man pages, too. > > If they didn't have time, the release should have been postponed until > it was ready for prime time, IMHO. > > I looked on the 'Net, asking why the interface names were changed. I > found a good reason: sometimes the ethn names aren't reliably > consistent. Fine, I say, you've figured how to make them consistent. > That's no reason to change the names from a meaningful 4 or 5 chars to > 11, chosen by /dev/urandom. > > Somebody's selling the Debian management a pile of bull excrement. You mentioned wicd, but I'm not quite able to tell where you made your change. My apologies if you have already done what I've written below. I'm going to post anyway on that off chance that it might help someone else. I changed mine by clicking that drop down arrow on the right of *my* wicd interface. This is one of those cases where the window default is smaller sized so something important is buried behind a non-invasive, i.e. cognitively almost invisible, drop down arrow. There's a Preferences option buried there when that window is smaller. Mine has Preferences, About, and Quit hiding under that arrow. Under Preferences, there's a General Settings tab. At the top of that is Network Interfaces for Wireless Interface and Wired Interface. That's where I changed mine a while back, and it's been working. DISCLAIMER is that my setup is extremely basic. When all those fancier settings have to be made for multiple computer systems networking together, my successful, quick fix setting there may have no effect at all for that something fancier. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: Install on hp-pavilion-g6-2100 stops at 98%
On 9/4/17, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Luis Speciale wrote: > >> sudo cp firmware-9.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/disk1 > > You copy to the device file, not to the mount directory. At least on > GNU/Linux this is like "dd". On MacOS it might differ but it will not > put the ISO as file into the FAT32 fileystem and not unpack the ISO > into the FAT32 filesystem. > > I expect that now your self-made FAT32 is gone from the USB stick, > because the partition table was overwritten by the ISO. > Nevertheless, there is again a FAT filesystem, which contains initial EFI > boot equipment of the ISO. I'm understanding what you're saying, but then again I might not be understanding. Are you saying that it looks like he copied straight to the device instead of to a mount point? That's what I'm understanding your words to be saying. I regularly mount partitions to do debootstrap installs so I do understand that method. That's how I am a-suming this should be done, too. All the times I've done that correctly, I have still wasted a ridiculous amount of time... repeatedly... tracking down the... device name to use when that's not what we use. *smacking my head (in hindsight)* That's an important point that I now wonder how often gets missed versus caught when people are having problems installing to other media. I know it never crosses my mind to consciously check off that specific detail when people are writing about their problems. :) That's also why people trying to help want to know the *exact* steps a user took to try to do something. The person helping is not being nosey. Seeing exact details might just help them catch a whoops such as that device name standing in place of a mount point. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: (solved) how to roll back to jessie
On 9/4/17, Long Wind wrote: > > > On Mon, 9/4/17, Felix Miata wrote: > > >> Wheezy support is >> scheduled to terminate less than 9 months from today. >> Maybe >> now is a good time to consider at >> least Jessie if not Stretch, since you're >> installing fresh. > > i have used debian for long time (since rex) > all support i need comes from this list > i do not install security update > and it not cause trouble for me > > and font in text mode in wheezy seems cool > > i have an wheezy in /dev/sda2 > and have installed iceweasel today Would you consider posting a screen capture of the font effect as you're seeing it? You could upload to Debian itself *for posterity*: https://paste.debian.net/ Maybe someone can help bring your fave into future releases... or maybe something already exists but just got buried under the surface over time. I can *empathize*, i.e. have experienced this first hand. I can remember favored features, just such as a font's almost "naive" onscreen appearance, changing as all these projects grew up. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: failure of cheese with a Microsoft LifeCam NX-6000
serious, important, normal, minor, and wishlist. Two cool things I just learned about apt-listbugs: * I was able to list bugs for cheese even though it's not installed. Nice perk! * Am not quite understanding these 2 flags, but they're about the topical topic of pinning: -F, --force-pin When in apt mode, assumes that you want to automatically pin all buggy packages without any prompt. This option is assumed if stdout is not a terminal, unless the -N command-line option is used. -N, --force-no-pin When in apt mode, never automatically pin any package without prompt. This is the default behavior, as long as stdout is a terminal. A third perk just came to mind: apt-listbugs' ability to instantly sort by severity would help an aspiring developer pick out bugs that match their skill level. > What is meant by 'Invalid enumeration value"? *scratching my head (too)* I've learned to ignore those until I fix errors I understand. Sometimes the really out there errors disappear on their own due to simply being fallout from the more easily understood errors. :) Then again.. I looked at that one last time while proofreading before sending. That's doing a opengl/GL thing there.. GNU license? Might be about the proprietary thing I threw in as an afterthought (aka too much information) above? That would make sense. One quick last search landed this (for informational purposes since it was there and applicable): OpenGL - The Industry Standard for High Performance Graphics https://www.opengl.org/ Wikipedia's blurb that shows in search engines: "Open Graphics Library (OpenGL) is a cross-language, cross-platform application programming interface (API) for rendering 2D and 3D vector graphics" Again, maybe if you can fix the non-communication thing between BGR3 and MPEG, that will fix the other or not. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: failure of cheese with a Microsoft LifeCam NX-6000
On 9/6/17, Reco wrote: > On Tue, Sep 05, 2017 at 08:46:13PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: >> Any insights about these messages when cheese fails? > > Sure. > >> guest@imager:~$ cheese >> >> (cheese:1572): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: cheese.css:7:35: >> The style property GtkScrollbar:min-slider-length is deprecated and >> shouldn't be used anymore. It will be removed in a future version > > Is not a problem per se. Just a 'gentle' reminder from GNOME developers > that that particular property in your GTK theme would be removed soon™. > > So, you may get 'cheese' program that looks funny if you manage to > upgrade your GTK without upgrading your current theme, but that's it. > > >> (cheese:1572): cheese-WARNING **: Device '/dev/video0' cannot capture >> in the specified format: gstv4l2object.c(3583): >> gst_v4l2_object_set_format_full (): >> >> /GstCameraBin:camerabin/GstWrapperCameraBinSrc:camera_source/GstBin:bin28/GstV4l2Src:v4l2src1: >> Tried to capture in BGR3, but device returned format MPEG > > That's the problem. 'cheese' wants BGR3 format whatever that may be. > Camera wants to produce MPEG. Unless you rewrite an appropriate kernel > module (or flip some mysterious switch in it if there's any) that's > unlikely to change. > > This is there I'd say 'screw it' and use 'mpv' or 'ffmpeg' instead of > 'cheese', but YMMV. > > Because IMO if you want your media to be decoded or encoded regardless > of whatever it is - you use ffmpeg, not a gstreamer. > > >> (cheese:1572): Cogl-WARNING **: driver/gl/cogl-pipeline-opengl.c:932: >> GL error (1280): Invalid enumeration value > > Tied to a previous error. Presumably 'cheese' tries to show you what's > on camera by using OpenGL but it cannot do so as it cannot convince a > camera to show anything. Solve the previous error that this one will > solve itself. Hey, cool. I think I actually almost came close to what you said a couple times, lol. You just write a little more succinctly than I do, just like Brian. :D I think I heard that about ffmpeg by itself, but that didn't "stick" until this time. I thought it was just more "reference", more of a library sitting in waiting to be drawn from in the background. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: Windows program on Debian
On 9/6/17, Gary Roach wrote: > On 09/05/2017 07:10 PM, 黃世緯 wrote: >> My computer is 11 years old, with single-channel ram, 80GB IDE hard >> drive etc. >> >> The most important thing is the virtualisation, is it okay to install >> Windows programme on linux? >> > I've been experimenting with KVM virtual machine lately. I've also used > wine and Virtual Box in the past. I found wine to be a pain. Virtual Box > is ok but KVM, on the other hand, installed with little trouble. After > that you can load any OS into KVM and have no conflict with the parent > OS. I think it is the best choice if you wish to run multiple OS's on > any system. Gary's observation inspired me to search apt-get for that. Something called "mom" popped up in a decent list of other packages: Description-en: Dynamically manage system resources on virtualization hosts MOM is a policy-driven tool that can be used to manage overcommitment on KVM hosts. Using libvirt, MOM keeps track of active virtual machines on a host. At a regular collection interval, data is gathered about the host and guests. Data can come from multiple sources (eg. the /proc interface, libvirt API calls, a client program connected to a guest, etc). Once collected, the data is organized for use by the policy evaluation engine. When started, MOM accepts a user-supplied overcommitment policy. This policy is regularly evaluated using the latest collected data. In response to certain conditions, the policy may trigger reconfiguration of the system’s overcommitment mechanisms. Currently MOM supports control of memory ballooning and KSM but the architecture is designed to accommodate new mechanisms such as cgroups. Just throwing it out there because of this thread being about very finite resources. At the very least, it shows there's some thought about this going on in our repositories. Maybe some keywords from it might land other packages of related interest Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: Upgrade from jessie to strech wants to bloat by system
On 9/7/17, Ben Finney wrote: > Urs Thuermann writes: > >> I see that some new versions of packages are installed without the old >> versions being removed, although they are marked as automatically >> installed, e.g. Linux kernel, clang, llvm, and some others. For >> example >> >> # aptitude search "~i clang" >> i clang - C, C++ and Objective-C compiler (LLVM >> based) >> i A clang-3.5 - C, C++ and Objective-C compiler (LLVM >> based) >> i A libclang-common-3.5-dev - clang library - Common development >> package >> i A libclang1-3.5 - C interface to the clang library > > That shows the ‘clang’ package is *not* marked auto-installed. That is, > the APT database shows it was manually requested, and so will never be > auto-removed. Oh, oh, o.. Quite a while back I observed on here that apt-get tells me packages are now marked as manually installed if I (accidentally) do an "apt-get install" command on a package that turns out to already be current. That happened to me regularly when I was having to break my upgrades into small sized chunks while doing them every day (k/t small town dialup access). I'd *almost* be willing to bet that your "the APT database shows it was manually requested, and so will never be auto-removed" comes into play with respect to that apt-get advisement. It would be interesting to test it if that actually does... :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: Re: LibreOffice - middle click paste does not work.
On 9/8/17, Marcelo Laia wrote: > Same issue here! > > Middle button doesn't paste from Firefox webpage to Vim, nor to libreoffice > Writer. > > How to reproduce: > > 1. open firefox and Writer > 2. access www.google.com > 3. select some word > 4. focus on Writer > 5. click middle button in a document FAILL It worked for me, and that's with a messed up middle button. Buster Testing with Linux kernel 4.12.8 Xfce4 desktop environment Firefox 52.2.0 Libreoffice Writer Version: 5.2.7.2/Build ID: 1:5.2.7-1 (on developer controlled hold for ages) Vim 2:8.0.0197-5+b1 (via apt-get showpkg) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: hibernate uses a wrong UUID
On 9/9/17, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, Michael Biebl wrote: > >> Outdated initramfs? >> After modifying /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume you need to run >> update-initramfs > >I ran it again (update-initramfs -u), and I got the message >generating . >but the problem is still there This is my third complete rewrite. There's a CLOSED Bug #861057 (2017.04.26): TITLE: initramfs-tools: no longer supports RESUME=LABEL|UUID syntax https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=861057 That was found because I'm FINALLY trying to address my own hibernate (suspend?) recovery issues while all of this is almost making sense today. Originally, I was writing to ask what's in Pierre's /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume file. My purpose for asking about Pierre's *was* that maybe there's something too much (like a stray, *invisible* character) or maybe something too little (like a missing closing character) that's interfering with success. BUT... now there's that closed bug #861057 which sounds possibly similar to Pierre's experience. That pretty much shoves my idea out the back door. :) Pierre's bug, he shared that extra bit about how it's checking for a wrong UUID. It's possible I'm not cognitively grasping that the same is mentioned in Bug #861057, but right now I'm not seeing that referenced there. Maybe that was what was going on under the hood on that closed bug, too.. Back on that "maybe something too little" character angle... Would single quotes or double quotes around the UUID value help in this case? Everything else I wrote has been deleted while I work on my own issue. In the meantime, I found these while trying to fix mine: https://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend https://wiki.debian.org/SystemdSuspendSedation I figured: * Those look like they could use a refresh from a knowledgeable person... * I'm surely not the only one who keeps mixing these terms up.. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: libreoffice base crashes when writing HSQLDB
On 9/10/17, Flo wrote: > Dear all, > > Libreoffice is working for me except for Base. > > This means when I want to create a (or use an existing) database > libreoffice crashes immediately without giving any information. > > I open libreoffice and click to open a new database (HSQLDB Embedded). > Then Finish and I am asked about the name of the database. I enter the > name, click Save and then comes the crash. A database file is created, > though. > > I am using Debian testing. > > I haven't found anything in the web. Can anyone help me? Try running "libreoffice --base" in a terminal window, and see if that gets you viable error messages. I just tested it, and it did bring up the Database Wizard. It's just something I picked up along the way about how Libreoffice opens each feature. "--calc" gets the k/t for having taught me that a long time ago and most likely via a right click over an Applications menu entry... or something similar.. a long time ago... :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Helping Debian Astro 1.0 Spread Their Word
Hi.. This is a quick email to help forward the message that there is something called Debian Astro... floating around out there. The original email didn't forward well so am including direct links to the original posts about the same instead. Yesterday's email from Laura Arjona Reina: https://lists.debian.org/debian-publicity/2017/09/msg7.html Today's email response from Ole Streicher: https://lists.debian.org/debian-astro/2017/09/msg1.html Am forwarding on the a-sumption that there will be others who have never heard of Astro and might be interested in checking it out. A partial blip from the above posts in the interest of providing a description: "Let's help making Debian Astro 1.0 known to the astronomy community! If you happen to attend any astronomy related conference or meeting, don't hesitate to talk to your colleagues about this Debian Pure Blend [0] focused for both professional and hobby astronomers, and the software packages [1] covering telescope control, data reduction, presentation and other fields." Happy Debian'ing! :) Cindy :) [0] https://www.debian.org/blends/ [1] https://blends.debian.org/astro/tasks -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA *runs with duct tape *
Re: Buster SSH
On 9/11/17, Glenn English wrote: > Is there something peculiar with SSH on Buster? > > The key login doesn't seem to work very well -- root going out works > to hosts (Wheezy, Jessie, and the one before Wheezy), but the user > (me) doesn't. And nothing works coming in. Everything is fine on the > non-Buster hosts. > > I bought a laptop recently, pulled out the Winders, and installed > Buster (testing and non-free have software to make the thing work). > > Since the dark ages, I've been able to get around to several places > with the same .ssh directory and the same login key. > > I've had to enable login by password to access hosts that've worked > before. I've got ssh-client and ssh-server installed. I'm just feeding off your words such as key login. I don't know if it's related or not, but I've been having that occasional extra step that shows up before you can access your browser. I can't remember the exact message, but last time it was something to the effect that something didn't toggle on (login key didn't get unlocked?), likely at bootup, and that it had something to do with keyring(s). "Coincidentally" and/or maybe not was that debian-archive-keyring just updated so maybe something else related also upgraded at the same time. Be it related or not, I haven't seen that message since but have only rebooted maybe once or twice. It could end up happening again on the next reboot. Time will tell :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: Laptop Wireless issues
On 9/13/17, Sven Joachim wrote: > > If you already have installed Debian on your laptop, simply get the > firmware-realtek package[3] from non-free (either using a wired > connection, or via another computer and sneakernet). You can install it > with dpkg: > > # dpkg -i firmware-realtek_20161130-3_all.deb > 3. https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-realtek Something that's not always clear (for newbies) is that you have to issue that "dpkg -i" command from within the directory containing the target .deb file after it's downloaded. That directory can be almost anywhere (if not actually anywhere), but the command has to be issued from wherever that .deb landed in the file hierarchy. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * dogs ate my... electric chainsaw cord. literally _hate_ when that happens. #Irma. *
Re: What is the right place to report bugs in OpenJDK?
On 9/13/17, Evgeny Kapun wrote: > > I'm using OpenJDK on Debian, and occasionally I encounter bugs. Most of > these bugs are in upstream OpenJDK, not in Debian packaging. > > I'm trying to find a way to have those bugs fixed. OpenJDK project has a bug > tracker [1], but it doesn't accept public bug submissions. Also, there is a > bug report form [2], but reports submitted through it are mostly ignored. I > also tried to submit bug reports against relevant packages in Debian, but > they are not fixed either. > > So, is there a place to report an actual bug in OpenJDK, such that there is > a non-zero chance that it will be fixed? > > Please CC me, as I'm not subscribed. > > [1] https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK > [2] http://bugreport.java.com/ What if... you went ahead and filed the bug with a package if it exists in Debian and then when Debian Developers hit a wall, then *they* can put pressure on upstream? The "reportbug" package is becoming very user friendly for doing just that. And, yes, I do see that you're saying it's not in Debian packaging, I'm just seeing that you *are* writing to the Debian list. :) On a related note, a handy new trick I've learned recently is that "apt-listbugs list -s all [openjdk-package-name]" will help you find out if anything similar already exists. That is only Debian, but I'll put it out there anyway in case it's news to you. apt-listbugs is the package that needs installed. That's all written also wondering if maybe you might want "street cred" for having found the bug, and that would be why you'd like to place that bug more upstream. I can understand that if it happens to be. I have a couple citizen science type ideas, actually about 4, that I'm not tellin' NOBODY about until I'm sure my name and/or that of a 1970's teacher gets attached in the right place.. *GRIN* Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * seriously, dogs literally ate my _home_ work. 2 words, not 1. #Irma *
Re: mariadb uninstall/reinstall
On 9/14/17, Alberto Luaces wrote: > "larry owens" writes: > >> Colleagues >> > > [...] > >> Unfortunately I >> have been unable to find a set of instructions to safely remove >> Maria. Can anyone point me to a working process (the one's on the web >> currently don't seem to work). TIA > > Hi, as long as you installed it from Debian packages, you only have to > purge (as opposed to only remove) its packages and then reinstall. I was wondering about that. I a-sumed maybe it tried to over-purge other important packages the way that happens sometimes. Larry, it might others help you if you gave a hint or two about the methods you found online that didn't work. Others may know of successful work-arounds if they hear more about what misfired. You never know, you may have even stumbled onto a bug.. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: BOINC Screensaver
On 9/19/17, Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă wrote: > On 7-09-2017, at 10h 24'04", Mike Stroud wrote about "BOINC Screensaver" >> I've just installed the BOINC screensaver as well as the BOINC Manager >> using >> Synaptec, and I've upgraded them from the stretch-backports repo. I've >> got >> the BOINC Manager running SETI@home. I installed xscreensaver, and edited >> the .xscreensaver file in my home directory to include: - GL: boincscr >> -root >> - \n\. However, all I get when I run the screensaver is a black screen >> with >> the message "screensaver loading". >> >> Can anyone help, please? >> > > Yes, for starting boinc is not a screensaver. > > 1. Can you manually start and stop boinc client? > 2. Can the boinc client be started by the boinc manager? > 3. Why you want to start/stop the boinc by the xscreensaver? Do you > know that with proper config boinc client will stop/resume when you > use/don't use your CPU/keyboard/mouse? > > Finally, is your command: "boincscr -root - \n\." what you need to add > to .xscreensaver? Is boincscr on the $PATH? *Ahoy, Mateys!* For screensavers alone, meaning with boinc set to the side for just a second, one thing I learned on the fly was that Internet connection can affect some screensavers. Some at some point, if not now, were actively fed via websites, i.e. are not 100% stored on our own computers. Beyond that they just plum didn't work, I can't remember how I was able to tell immediately. Seems logical to think that maybe their link/URL can be seen via their options/settings, e.g. the Advanced tab for Xscreensaver. Taking a peek at their settings would have been a logical step in my diagnosis when they didn't work.. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * ARR, now to feed the fishes! No, seriously... the... goldfishes :) *
Re: My Problem with Stretch - thin mosquito-like noise from HDD partition
On 9/19/17, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > (If you aren't subscribed to the debian-user list, then better do. > Normally replies are sent without Cc: to individual mail addresses.) > > Tibor Mate wrote: >> >> Disclaimer: I am just a user. Self-incriminating admission: Me, too. :) > The noise timing which you describe and the behavior with old systems > gives the suspicion that it has something to do with the "power mode" > of the disk. I.e. when it gets into power saving mode, it begins to sing. > > Some info can be seen at > https://www.smartmontools.org/wiki/Powermode > > I would try to verify the suspicion by having a little loop which reads > some random block from hard disk every 15 seconds. > But probably you can already verify by > > not_yet_read_file=...some.freshly.chosen.path... > > dd if=$not_yet_read_file of=/dev/null > > whether the singing ends when the disk becomes busy. My apologies that a reboot to test my memory and get specifics will... create too much upheaval just this second, BUT... in the last couple days, I saw something that I can't quite completely remember. Whatever I'm remembering is in BIOS. It was about a setting specifically related to the hard drives. It referenced older hard drives (am highlighting that to help nail down the right feature). One of that feature's settings was about letting the manufacturer's design within the hard drive itself have its own head to control things. I may be remembering wrong, but my take at that second was that it might have been about the drive spinning up and down AND that it was something standalone within that component. It was one of those "Wow, I had NO idea all THAT was going on inside those bricks". :D Seems reasonable to mention it here. My memory recall is that it might have been something about efficiency which is the feel I'm getting about this thread. I'd never heard of that BIOS setting nor seen it before. Whatever it was is an intended #toDo to dig up more details. Cindy :) PS I was just verifying Tibor's name (for the email address field) before sending and now see Alexander's reply. Maybe "Advanced Power Management " is what I saw if that's something's that completely within the hard drive and is something the hard drive can do by itself with no outside intervention.. AND is something that can be affected by a BIOS setting, to boot. :) Or not. :D -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * ARRRGGHHH! Still need to feed the fishes! #toDo. Literally :D *
Re: OT: Hurricane
On 9/21/17, do...@mail.com wrote: > First of all, thanks to everyone for your PM'ed messages and prayers. We > are alive and well. Though the eye hit our town quite close to us, we > were on the lee side. Power has also been restored, though some of the > roads remain flooded (anyone for trout fishing? :) > > BTW: Are you OK Felix? I got nailed in North Georgia. Slant of the roof is all that kept the dogs and me from being crushed by a 60 foot plus Hickory tree. It had been leaning straight over the top of the entire house (upcycled trailer) for YEARS. For months, I've been telling it "please just don't" whenever that possibility was a conscious observation. Actually said that out loud to it... :) No #Life flashing before my eyes or any of that. Just sat there all *stupid* staring up at the ceiling. Was waiting to see the first leaves and branches come crashing through the roof straight over top of us. My dogs went absolutely ballistic. They were going to chew the invasive beast a new one. #MyHeroes :) Hope everyone's ok. Even when damage is minimal, the traumatic upheaval and even seeing what *could have happened* has an effect. Please be safe out there... Cindy -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * . *
Re: Blank screen bug
On 9/23/17, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 12:01:31PM +0200, Tim wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I would like to report a bug for Debian stretch, however, I'm not sure >> which package I should file the bug against. Moreover, I haven't found >> a way to debug the issue either. >> >> I've recently done a fresh installed of stretch on an HP EliteBook 840 >> notebook. Since then, the laptop's screen sometimes turns blank, i.e., >> as if there is no input to the screen. Strangely enough, whenever I >> attach another display, the other display doesn't go blank: It's only >> the internal display of the laptop itself that turns completely black. >> >> I've tried to debug the issue by looking a various log files (e.g., >> ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log, /var/log/kern.log, running >> `journalctl`), but nothing would show up in these logs whenever it >> occurs. I also tried to install `firmware-linux-nonfree` but that >> didn't help either. Before, I was using jessy without the bug. >> >> I hope you can tell me which package I should file the bug to, or how >> to proceed from here. >> > I had this exact same problem with Jessie on an HP ProBook 650. The bug > was in X.org and was fixed when I upgraded to Stretch. The problem, as > I recall, was that certain display hardware inverts the sense of the > intensity, so that instead of it going from 0 (dark) to max (bright) it > goes from 0 (bright) to max (dark). X.org sets the display brightness > to what it thinks is max on the log in screen to compensate for the > possibility that was turned all the way down by a previous user. > > What I found as a "workaround" was that I could log in as normal and > then by using the brightness control function keys I could increase the > display brightness after logging in. > > I am not sure if the problem is that X.org needs to be told which > hardware inverts the meaning of the brightness control value, but I > suspect that is root cause. > > I apologize that I don't have any links, but it has been several years > since I dealt with this problem. Perhaps this is enough to get you > pointed in the right direction. Based on both of your posts, I took a quick peek at "apt-listbugs list -s all xorg".. #778573 xorg: Xorg shows blank black screen at startup instead of a Display Manager. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=778573 That references #775012 nvidia-driver: startx initializes nvidia driver but kdm does not https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=775012 May not be exact same thing, especially since they're speaking of boot and this thread sounds like it snaps off mid successful usage. But maybe you all have come up with something no one thought of or possibly even knew was possible or not. You never know. :) Me? Never would have thought about manufacturers reversing how things work. That's a very not user friendly twist on proprietary... :) A PS is that one poster got fussed at for allegedly hijacking a bug report, was told to file their own report. It kind of sounded like the "hijacker" was attempting to support, confirm the existence of the bug by supplying their own experience so... I guess this is just a heads up that this occurred in that arena. Maybe there was prior history as to why that exchange occurred. One last peek at it shows it didn't follow normal list rules, and that made it harder to follow the intent. They did sound like they encountered the bootup blank screen, did some manipulating, and got something to work, although still not quite as expected. :) Couldn't help it, looked one more allegedly "last time"... The reason the comment didn't follow protocol was because it was entered via *reportbug*. It wasn't the fault of the alleged "hijacker" that there was no previous quote to follow in their post. The alleged "hijacker" found a bug that matched theirs so they did as would be expected per reportbug methodology. They simply addended their experience to a bug subject line that matched their experience... and then got "blessed" for doing so. I genuinely hate when that happens... because that sounds exactly like something I would do under the same circumstances. :) Cindy -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * Geraldine Laverne, did you ever feed your goldfish the other day? *
Re: Can't find the DNS Servers
e thing, and now my own /etc/resolv.conf has apparently populated itself with an additional line these days. Beyond that, I'm pretty much... speechless. :) Cindy :) [0] https://askubuntu.com/questions/928144/no-internet-access-lubuntu-17-04-eeepc-1001pxd/936972#936972 -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with Geraldine Laverne's goldfish food *
Re: The mess of package names
On 9/24/17, Gary Roach wrote: > On 09/19/2017 11:57 AM, Gary Roach wrote: >> Hi all, >> While this may seem to be a bit off topic, I feel that I may get answers >> faster here than any where else. This problem applies to Debian, Ubuntu >> and, to some extent, Mac OS. >> >> I have spent the last month and a half ( or longer) trying to compile >> and link a program called Elmer FEM. The problem that I keep running >> into is the naming practices in Elmer (and all the documents) vs >> Debian/Ubuntu. Elmer requires the following libraries: >> Mumps, MPI, OpenMP, FETI4I as a minimum. Hypre and trilinos have to be >> compiled from source code. The problem is that none if the four >> libraries go under the names mentioned above. By loading everything that >> even came close to the Elmer names I finally got a build that failed in >> the make process (the package uses cmake). The failure is due to the >> missing FETI4I library which have never found. >> >> What I need is a cross reference between Mumps, MPI, OpenMP and FETI4I >> and the library names in the Debian and Ubuntu repositories. >> >> Please, please help. Very frustrated. >> >> Gary R. >> >> > Thank you for all your replies. I now have managed to decipher enough to > get Elmer running. I'm going to post the results on the Elmer Forum and > am thinking about filing a bug report suggesting that the results be > included in the README file. Well on to the next problem. Yay. I tried a couple pokes at this, too. I saw those dotCZ pages. I wondered if they would work. :) I know you say you've put together what you need, but what about Github for later? Yes, I do know Github has its fans and detractors: Am mentioning it because Github was almost the only thing I found that *sounded like* it might be what was needed: https://github.com/ElmerCSC/elmerfem/blob/devel/cmake/Modules/FindFETI4I.cmake If that doesn't work, the front page is here: https://github.com/ElmerCSC/elmerfem/ That first one was a search that was very strange. It seemed to pick out single letters and numbers to match those, not the whole word only. It's surely by design. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: dirs mirror
On 9/25/17, David Christensen wrote: > On 09/25/17 12:57, Pol Hallen wrote: >> >> I'd like create a mirror between 2 dirs: one local dir >> >> /home/user/testA >> >> and >> >> /home/user/testB >> this "testB" is a samba mounted share dir (//ip/remote_share >> /home/user/testB) >> >> any idea? >> > > It sounds like you want the Linux equivalent of Microsoft's "Offline > files": > > https://duckduckgo.com/?q=linux+offline+files&t=ffsb&ia=qa Using David's "offline" keyword, I tried a quick "apt-cache search offline files". Received back a few things, but "syrep" stood out near the top (description left whole because of so many perks): "Description-en: A generic file repository synchronization tool syrep is a generic file repository synchronization tool. It may be used to synchronize large file hierarchies bidirectionally by exchanging patch files. Syrep is truely peer-to-peer, no central servers are involved. Synchronizations between more than two repositories are supported. The patch files may be transferred via offline media, e.g. removable hard disks or compact discs. . Files are tracked by their message digests, currently MD5. The following file operations are tracked in the snapshot files: creation, deletion, modification, creation of new hard or symbolic links, renaming. (The latter is nothing more than a new hard link and removal of the old file). syrep doesn't distinguish between soft and hard links. In fact even copies of files are treated as the same. Currently, syrep doesn't synchronize file attributes like access modes or modification times. . Syrep was written to facilitate the synchronization of two large digital music repositories without direct network connection. Patch files of several gigabytes are common in this situation. . Syrep is able to cope with 64 bit file sizes. (LFS) . Syrep is optimized for speed. It may make use of a message digest cache to accelerate the calculation of digests of a whole directory hierarchy" Sounds interesting even if it doesn't help.. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: no sound on Lenovo Ideapad 110
On 9/28/17, Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 20:38:13 +0200 (CEST) Pierre Frenkiel > wrote: > >> On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Patrick Bartek wrote: >> >> > I don't know if this will help, but I read a post somewhere (don't >> > remember where) of someone who had troubles with the Ideapad 110S >> > -- sound, touchpad, suspend, etc. -- after replacing Windows 10 with >> > Stretch. Installing a newer kernel from Stretch-Backports rectified >> > those issues along with non-free firmware in the Stretch Repos >> > and/or proprietary drivers. >> I have already the latest kernel version, but I would be interested >>having some details about these non-free firmware and drivers. >> Up to now, googling gave me nothing about that. > > 4.9? Or 4.11 or 4.12? 4.13.4 :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: virtualbox - missing packages
On 9/30/17, Sven Hoexter wrote: > On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 09:16:59AM +0200, Hans wrote: > >> maybe you need to add this entry in sources.list: >> >> deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch contrib > > Or you just use the packages from stretch-backports? Those should be the > best fit for now. > https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ > > The original error message looked a bit like OP tried to use the > packages from testing/unstable in stretch which actually worked for > some time. I've unfortunately lost track of my personal notes on this so I'm winging it. There's this option: apt-get install --fix-missing You run it generically just like that. I'm encountering references to something like "dpkg-reconfigure --all" and dpkg-reconfigure [package-name]. "dpkg-reconfigure --all" that pops up in search engine inquiries didn't work at all *for me*. Instead, it kept suggesting other options. "dpkg-reconfigure [package-name]" appeared to function. Was tested on a normally functioning package so there wasn't much to learn from that beyond that it *appeared* to be the right command (because it didn't complain and offer alternative flags). "dpkg-reconfigure --force [package-name] is rolling around out there, too. Feels like I've tried that one, but it's a go at your own risk kind of thing. In cases like this thread, I like the sound of that "--force" flag. :) It feels like I'm missing one that I've even shared on this list, but it's not coming to mind this morning *if* there is another one. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: virtualbox - missing packages
On 9/30/17, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > On 9/30/17, Sven Hoexter wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 09:16:59AM +0200, Hans wrote: >> >>> maybe you need to add this entry in sources.list: >>> >>> deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch contrib >> >> Or you just use the packages from stretch-backports? Those should be the >> best fit for now. >> https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ >> >> The original error message looked a bit like OP tried to use the >> packages from testing/unstable in stretch which actually worked for >> some time. > > > I've unfortunately lost track of my personal notes on this so I'm > winging it. There's this option: > > apt-get install --fix-missing > > You run it generically just like that. I'm encountering references to > something like "dpkg-reconfigure --all" and dpkg-reconfigure > [package-name]. > > "dpkg-reconfigure --all" that pops up in search engine inquiries > didn't work at all *for me*. Instead, it kept suggesting other > options. > > "dpkg-reconfigure [package-name]" appeared to function. Was tested on > a normally functioning package so there wasn't much to learn from that > beyond that it *appeared* to be the right command (because it didn't > complain and offer alternative flags). > > "dpkg-reconfigure --force [package-name] is rolling around out there, > too. Feels like I've tried that one, but it's a go at your own risk > kind of thing. In cases like this thread, I like the sound of that > "--force" flag. :) > > It feels like I'm missing one that I've even shared on this list, but > it's not coming to mind this morning *if* there is another one. *heh!* While closing out this thread's tab in my browser, the word "broken" said let's try one more thing so I winged it again: apt-get install --fix-broken IT WORKS! I had checked "man dpkg" and "man dpkg-reconfigure" but never thought to check "man apt-get". You might find yet more possibilities by searching the output of "man apt-get", e.g. this one: apt-get install --ignore-missing I don't like that last one because it sounds like avoidance, sounds like it's leaving a problem lingering. BUT something like that might at least open the door to then fixing things as the NEXT step after that one... Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: What happened to libreoffice-common in archive?
On 10/11/17, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > How can the following be possible? > > Note that I have not changed the mirror, and "apt update" does not > give any error. > > cventin:~> apt-show-versions -a libreoffice-common > libreoffice-common:all 1:5.4.2-1 install ok installed > libreoffice-common:all 1:5.2.7-1 stable ftp.fr.debian.org > No stable-updates version > libreoffice-common:all 1:5.4.1-1 testing ftp.fr.debian.org > No unstable version > No experimental version > libreoffice-common:all 1:5.4.2-1 newer than version in archive > ^ > > Why "No unstable version" while > > https://packages.debian.org/sid/libreoffice-common > > says "libreoffice-common (1:5.4.2-1)"? > > Is this a bug with the mirror? Hi.. I had a (cognitively based) hard time understanding all this a while back. Still kind of do (not fully grasp) primarily because I haven't tracked down where to find the notes that hint at the "why". The packages not showing are possibly sitting waiting, and in fact this thread exists because you found that out. It has something to do with Developers' design for *LOGICAL* reasons known to them. It used to be that I would cherry pick my upgrades via "apt-get install" after running "apt-get update"... because I'm on dialup Internet access. I had to go that route to be able to upgrade AND stay active doing poverty related advocacy shtuff, etc, online. In going that route, I would install EVERYTHING while not knowing that some things should NOT be upgraded even though a package does, yes, sit ready in repositories. I filed a couple bugs back when because trying to install some of those packages led to "apt-get" UNINSTALLING other *critical* packages, sometimes over 100 at a time. As it turned out, THAT kind of thing is why those packages are on hold... And I guess that's why they're showing up the way they do in your "apt-show-versions" query feedback there. I'm using Buster/Testing, and libreoffice-common is on hold... and has been on hold A VERY LONG TIME. If I do "apt-get upgrade, I see something like this: ... Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done The following packages have been kept back: [list of ~140 well-known package names (including everything libreoffice, cpp-6, cpp-7, yada] ... NO complaints on packages of that size being held back, have I mentioned dialup, yada-yada. *grin* If you already do the following, then this is just noise, but I now go the "apt-get upgrade" route after updating my apt. In my special use case, I still "apt-get install" cherry pick after the readout from the pending upgrade. The difference now is I cherry pick from what UPGRADE would do versus where I used to pick from all things shown by "apt-show-versions upgrade". Oh, you know what, as I write that, I'm realizing that it sounds like you're seeing what I could have used back then. It sounds like apt-show-versions isn't reporting something that is in fact on hold. *COOL!* If that used to exist even way back way, then I just wasn't using the right flag to see that output or something. Two things I scratch my head over are: #1 Why do those packages show up at all, even though it's as being "held back"? For now, I *a-sume* it's so that it's public knowledge that there is the possibility for an upgrade if you just absolutely must do so. Knowing those packages are on hold is your sign to absolutely proceed with caution, nay, just don't even go there. Although I encountered something myself last night for the first time where it wants me to upgrade some of developer packages. I may just do it since it's because something else is not working right now anyway. Let's go for total broke. *grin* #2 WHY doesn't "apt-get install" balk when we try to manually install those packages that on hold? I just quick tested, and it still doesn't. My rather unhumble is that apt-get should balk (not unlike apt-show-versions there). It seems that apt-get should stop us and ask us ARE WE SURE then specifically state that those packages have been put on hold for intellectual reasons known to skilled Debian Developers. After that, we can make an informed executive decision regarding going ahead or canning the attempt for the time being.. Anyone have any feedback on what any other package managers do with packages that are on hold? It would be about being a *VERY* newbie friendly feature to at least warn before proceeding on... Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with... pumpkin spice cookies and a slushing cup of (cold) coffee *
Re: LXDE panel disappeared
On 10/15/17, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: > On 10/15/2017 06:57 PM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: >> On 10/15/2017 08:32 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: >>> >>> I have been running Debian Stretch with LXDE for about 1 week. >>> >>> I turned on the PC this morning and and found out that the main LXDE >>> panel at bottom (default panel) is gone. >>> >>> I had added additional panel at the side with few icons and also had >>> changed the back ground image. I didn't do anything fancy other than >>> that. >>> >>> The newly added panel was displayed but was missing some icons, only >>> showing default desktop PC looking icons. I rebooted to PC to see if it >>> would make differences. All icons on the newly added panel came back but >>> the bottom menu panel is still missing. >>> >>> What went wrong and why? >>> How can I get the bottom panel? >> >> >> I gave up. >> >> What I did was I deleted my account and added myself again. >> >> But it's good to know how to restore the default settings if there is >> the way. > > > I don't believe this > > Same thing happened again to newly created account > I don't know what caused this. I did same thing. Added new side panel, > and changed background image > > Clueless now. The only thing I can think of is... did you try running your cursor (mouse pointer) all the way off the screen in the area where that panel usually sits? That would rule out that it's somehow being toggled into that hide-n-seek feature that those have.. A quick search looking for possible keyboard shortcuts (to hide and show our panels) reminded me that you could try ALT+F1 to see if that brings up your Applications menu or at least something similar. Disclaimer is that might not be an LXDE shortcut, but it *is* one for XFCE4. I like to think something nice and helpful like that is *universal*. :) If ALT+F1 works, it would tell you if your panel is still there or not, anyway. If that doesn't work, maybe another Internet search will reveal a keyboard key combination special to LXDE that you could try.. You could also try "ps aux | grep panel" and/or "ps aux | grep lxpanel", too. That might help show if the panel is even active. As an example for mine just now, "grep panel" brought up "xfce4-panel". If anyone knows a different grep [variable/value] would instead be reflected for LXDE's panel(s) in that output, please help share.. I had an experience like this a long time ago, but can't remember what. I do remember fighting it for a very frustrated extended period of time, though. If that experience comes back to mind, I'll come back and add to this... Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs.. in circles occasionally *
Re: where is gmplayer in jessie
On 11/3/17, Pol Hallen wrote: >> I can't find mplayer-gui for jessie. > apt-cache showpkg mplayer-gui > Package: mplayer-gui > Versions: > 2:1.3.0-7 > (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.it.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages) > Description Language: > File: > /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.it.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages >MD5: 9e3f05de5fceb175bfdc57b182d973d0 > Description Language: > File: > /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.it.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages >MD5: 9e3f05de5fceb175bfdc57b182d973d0 > Description Language: en > File: > /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.it.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_i18n_Translation-en >MD5: 9e3f05de5fceb175bfdc57b182d973d0 I found it in Buster, too, k/t "apt-cache search mplayer-gui". Then.. I'd been playing around in Packages online earlier so it occurred to me to try this: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/mplayer-gui That received back this: "Error Package not available in this suite." Replacing "jessie" with "buster" in that URL lands this (just for starters): "Package: mplayer-gui (2:1.3.0-7) movie player for Unix-like systems (GUI variant)" For whatever development related reasons, it's really not showing up for Jessie.. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
