Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: there will be no XFree86 4.0.0 .debs (please read)
On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 03:48:46PM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:30:49PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: but remember there are people who are working on Xfree driver or such that would like to have a working debian packaging, ... remember that there are people who are going to be using Debian 2.2 or such that would like to have a working debian packaging, ... Please review rationale 1). What is wrong with making a debian 4.0 package, and put it in experimental (i did not say woody, i know you have problems with upgrading unstable). Debian 2.2 user are using potato, which comes with 3.3.6-whatever and should work ok. What's the problem here ? (apart from you having not a lot of time which is undertandable) Also you tell you will be repackaging X from a clean start, care to explain a bit what you have planned to do, and how we can help in this process ? Friendly, Sven LUTHER
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: there will be no XFree86 4.0.0 .debs (please read)
On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 03:41:22PM -0600, Anthony Fok wrote: On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:30:49PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: Branden, i understand Xfree packaging is a big chunk of work, but would it not be easier if there was some kind of cvs repository of the packaging stuff, and you would post the ideas you had for the new XF4.x packages, and that other people could help you work on it ? You know what? I really like this idea! If there are a group of us who would like to help out with X maintenance, a Debian CVS repository together with an automatic daily (or bi-daily) build (if there's any changes) would be really swell. :-) Err, don't you think daily or bi-daily would be a bit much, i think a weekly thing would be enough for X. Anyway, i was thinking of a source only stuff, for developpers alone, and people who like it, could build the packages themselves ... Friendly, Sven LUTHER
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: there will be no XFree86 4.0.0 .debs (please read)
On Tue, May 30, 2000 at 11:22:50AM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: What is wrong with making a debian 4.0 package, and put it in experimental (i did not say woody, i know you have problems with upgrading unstable). If I happen to get such a thing done soon, I may do so. Debian 2.2 user are using potato, which comes with 3.3.6-whatever and should work ok. 7 release critical bugs, 2 denial-of-service attacks, and a tempfile race would disagree with you. Fixes for these have been uploaded to auric's incoming as of a few minutes go. What's the problem here ? (apart from you having not a lot of time which is undertandable) Repeat the above parenthesized words until you fully believe them. Also you tell you will be repackaging X from a clean start, care to explain a bit what you have planned to do, and how we can help in this process ? Writing all this up takes time, too. I've already written one mail along these lines and my packaging plans per se have not changed drastically. -- G. Branden Robinson| I am sorry, but what you have mistaken Debian GNU/Linux | for malicious intent is nothing more [EMAIL PROTECTED] | than sheer incompetence! roger.ecn.purdue.edu/~branden/ | -- J. L. Rizzo II pgp90TEU6FNGk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: there will be no XFree86 4.0.0 .debs (please read)
On Tue, May 30, 2000 at 05:46:25AM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: Also you tell you will be repackaging X from a clean start, care to explain a bit what you have planned to do, and how we can help in this process ? Writing all this up takes time, too. I've already written one mail along these lines and my packaging plans per se have not changed drastically. For reference http://www.debian.org/~branden/plans.txt -- Jules Bean |Any sufficiently advanced [EMAIL PROTECTED],jellybean.co.uk} | technology is indistinguishable [EMAIL PROTECTED] | from a perl script
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: there will be no XFree86 4.0.0 .debs (please read)
On Tue, May 30, 2000 at 05:46:25AM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: On Tue, May 30, 2000 at 11:22:50AM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: What is wrong with making a debian 4.0 package, and put it in experimental (i did not say woody, i know you have problems with upgrading unstable). If I happen to get such a thing done soon, I may do so. Debian 2.2 user are using potato, which comes with 3.3.6-whatever and should work ok. 7 release critical bugs, 2 denial-of-service attacks, and a tempfile race would disagree with you. Fixes for these have been uploaded to auric's incoming as of a few minutes go. Ok, understood, ... you are not against this in principle, you agree just don't have time for it. What's the problem here ? (apart from you having not a lot of time which is undertandable) Repeat the above parenthesized words until you fully believe them. :))) Also you tell you will be repackaging X from a clean start, care to explain a bit what you have planned to do, and how we can help in this process ? Writing all this up takes time, too. I've already written one mail along these lines and my packaging plans per se have not changed drastically. The main thing is that i understand you don't have much time for it, but you don't need to be the only debian developper working on this, there are lots of people who would be willing to work on this. Maybe following the boot-floppies example would be nice ? but then again, i am in no hurry for this, i was just asking, ... Friendly, Sven LUTHER
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: there will be no XFree86 4.0.0 .debs (please read)
On Tue, May 30, 2000 at 11:22:50AM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: What is wrong with making a debian 4.0 package, and put it in experimental (i did not say woody, i know you have problems with upgrading unstable). Debian 2.2 user are using potato, which comes with 3.3.6-whatever and should work ok. What's the problem here ? (apart from you having not a lot of time which is undertandable) Please review rationale 1). Not having enough time is enough for a reason, at least for me. Why don't you just be patient until Branden has finished packaging? Yesterday you said, you don't have enough time to fix amiga-fdisk, now you want to help with xfree 4.0? Come on, lets fix important things first before you dive into new ones. (amiga-fdisk-bf still does not work with what I proposed yesterday...) Christian
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: there will be no XFree86 4.0.0 .debs (please read)
On Tue, May 30, 2000 at 12:05:59PM +0200, Christian T. Steigies wrote: On Tue, May 30, 2000 at 11:22:50AM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: What is wrong with making a debian 4.0 package, and put it in experimental (i did not say woody, i know you have problems with upgrading unstable). Debian 2.2 user are using potato, which comes with 3.3.6-whatever and should work ok. What's the problem here ? (apart from you having not a lot of time which is undertandable) Please review rationale 1). Not having enough time is enough for a reason, at least for me. Why don't you just be patient until Branden has finished packaging? You are right, ... but i think i am not the only one able to work on it, and xfree is such a big package that branden having no time, is not a thing that will solve itself overnight. For big packages, other solution must be found. Yesterday you said, you don't have enough time to fix amiga-fdisk, now you want to help with xfree 4.0? Come on, lets fix important things first before you dive into new ones. (amiga-fdisk-bf still does not work with what I proposed yesterday...) Well, yes, but one of the things that is taking me time, is driver developpment for 4.0, and when just building the 4.0 server and installing it, it don't work fine, you need all of 4.0 installed for it working. (well at least the xkb stuff and also the one about colors without which xterm will not handle colors, and maybe more). Also, there is this stuff about the GL libs, there is 3 different sources for GL libs : utah-GL wich will only run with 3.3.6 and is accelerated, (but it provides mesa so no problem i cna install it instead of mesa) mesa which is unaccelerated, and the 4.0 version of mesa (that dpkg is not aware it even exists. so no way to install any mesa dependant package without forcing the depends) Anyway, like i said, i am in no hurry for it, just wanted to discuss it, since this nobody is needing 4.0 stuff, is not exactly true ... Friendly, Sven LUTHER
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: there will be no XFree86 4.0.0 .debs (please read)
On Tue, May 30, 2000 at 12:34:19PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: Anyway, like i said, i am in no hurry for it, just wanted to discuss it, since this nobody is needing 4.0 stuff, is not exactly true ... Please indicate to me where I said anything like nobody needs 4.0. -- G. Branden Robinson|Murphy's Guide to Science: Debian GNU/Linux |If it's green or squirms, it's biology. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |If it stinks, it's chemistry. roger.ecn.purdue.edu/~branden/ |If it doesn't work, it's physics. pgpn4UcJKlkE9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: there will be no XFree86 4.0.0 .debs (please read)
On Sat, May 27, 2000 at 08:52:35PM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: PLEASE REPLY TO THE LISTS, AND NOT MY MAILBOX. DO NOT FILE BUG REPORTS ABOUT THIS, EITHER; THERE IS ALREADY A BUG FILED ABOUT A NEW UPSTREAM VERSION OF X. Okay, with that out of the way... There will be no 4.0.0 .debs. 4.0.1 is expected in mid-June, and I plan to package that. Why? 1) Real-world (i.e., work) considerations have kept me very busy with non-X related work for the past few months. I have very strong reasons to expect that situation to change for the better soon -- but I'm not at liberty to discuss why at the moment. 2) XFree86 4.0.0 has a lot of problems. People who are actually already using it on a daily basis have reported a lot of crashes. Furthermore, it is being patched upstream at a very aggressive pace. Over two hundred distinct patches have been applied to the upstream CVS tree to date. Well, ... but remember there are people who are working on Xfree driver or such that would like to have a working debian packaging, ... 3) As I said, XFree86 4.0.1 is expected in mid-June. This is approximately three weeks from now. 4.0.0 debs have already been delayed so long it seems to make sense at this point just to give up on official versions and re-target for 4.0.1 instead. lets hope there will be a 4.0.1 debian package then, ... 4) XFree86 4.0 will not be in potato. We are in freeze right now, and it is imperative that I place priority on the version of XFree86 that is going into potato. I have been addressing release-critical bugs and denial-of-service attacks in 3.3.6 and will be releasing 3.3.6-7 in time for the second test cycle. Test i386 .debs for 3.3.6-7 are available at: deb http://samosa.debian.org/%7Ebranden/ potato/$(ARCH)/ 5) XFree86 4.0 did not support SPARC hardware at all. SPARC is an important supported architecture for Debian. SPARC support has been added upstream and will be in 4.0.1. Branden, i understand Xfree packaging is a big chunk of work, but would it not be easier if there was some kind of cvs repository of the packaging stuff, and you would post the ideas you had for the new XF4.x packages, and that other people could help you work on it ? Friendly, Sven LUTHER
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: there will be no XFree86 4.0.0 .debs (please read)
On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:30:49PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: but remember there are people who are working on Xfree driver or such that would like to have a working debian packaging, ... remember that there are people who are going to be using Debian 2.2 or such that would like to have a working debian packaging, ... Please review rationale 1). -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux |Never attribute to malice that which can [EMAIL PROTECTED] |be adequately explained by stupidity. roger.ecn.purdue.edu/~branden/ | pgpKKzwp549vq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: there will be no XFree86 4.0.0 .debs (please read)
There will be no 4.0.0 .debs. 4.0.1 is expected in mid-June, and I plan to package that. Yay! I say. /me is bouncing on the walls about Overfiend taking the no-nonsense approach to this... M.
Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: there will be no XFree86 4.0.0 .debs (please read)
On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:30:49PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: Branden, i understand Xfree packaging is a big chunk of work, but would it not be easier if there was some kind of cvs repository of the packaging stuff, and you would post the ideas you had for the new XF4.x packages, and that other people could help you work on it ? You know what? I really like this idea! If there are a group of us who would like to help out with X maintenance, a Debian CVS repository together with an automatic daily (or bi-daily) build (if there's any changes) would be really swell. :-) Anthony -- Anthony Fok Tung-LingCivil and Environmental Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]University of Alberta, Canada Come visit Our Lady of Victory Camp -- http://www.olvc.ab.ca/
ANNOUNCEMENT: there will be no XFree86 4.0.0 .debs (please read)
PLEASE REPLY TO THE LISTS, AND NOT MY MAILBOX. DO NOT FILE BUG REPORTS ABOUT THIS, EITHER; THERE IS ALREADY A BUG FILED ABOUT A NEW UPSTREAM VERSION OF X. Okay, with that out of the way... There will be no 4.0.0 .debs. 4.0.1 is expected in mid-June, and I plan to package that. Why? 1) Real-world (i.e., work) considerations have kept me very busy with non-X related work for the past few months. I have very strong reasons to expect that situation to change for the better soon -- but I'm not at liberty to discuss why at the moment. 2) XFree86 4.0.0 has a lot of problems. People who are actually already using it on a daily basis have reported a lot of crashes. Furthermore, it is being patched upstream at a very aggressive pace. Over two hundred distinct patches have been applied to the upstream CVS tree to date. 3) As I said, XFree86 4.0.1 is expected in mid-June. This is approximately three weeks from now. 4.0.0 debs have already been delayed so long it seems to make sense at this point just to give up on official versions and re-target for 4.0.1 instead. 4) XFree86 4.0 will not be in potato. We are in freeze right now, and it is imperative that I place priority on the version of XFree86 that is going into potato. I have been addressing release-critical bugs and denial-of-service attacks in 3.3.6 and will be releasing 3.3.6-7 in time for the second test cycle. Test i386 .debs for 3.3.6-7 are available at: deb http://samosa.debian.org/%7Ebranden/ potato/$(ARCH)/ 5) XFree86 4.0 did not support SPARC hardware at all. SPARC is an important supported architecture for Debian. SPARC support has been added upstream and will be in 4.0.1. -- G. Branden Robinson|Human beings rarely imagine a god that Debian GNU/Linux |behaves any better than a spoiled child. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-- Robert Heinlein roger.ecn.purdue.edu/~branden/ | pgphuWT6248wl.pgp Description: PGP signature
