Fwd: update-alternatives and window-manager and display-manager
2005/8/26, Marcel Gschwandl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 11:50 -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: > > > > I think that * update-alternatives is a good facility > > > > It isn't, really. > IMHO it is. Thnx fot the support Marcel, moreover i want to say that update-alternatives is documented in Debian Reference Manual, and it have a user interface, so it is not "internal". > > > > * there should be a unified method for chosing window/desktop manager or > > > whatever, since it gives the users some chances to do things without much > > > pain, and make easy to document and learn how things works > > > > No, actually a user should never be messing with the alternatives system. > > Further, users don't need to know and shouldn't have to know how things > > work. > Ok, not the average user, but root. I don't think that Paolo wanted each > user on the system to be able to change things with update-alternatives, > I think with user he meant a person with Debian installed on his > workstation, so this user would in fact have root privileges. > > > > > So, is update-alternatives the standard method? If not which is the > > > standard method? > > > > The standard method is to actually launch the environment you want. Gdm > > provides session files for this purpose, as does KDM. Xdm uses your > > ~/.xsession file. > Thats right, but update-alternatives would be the right place to set the > default one ( > In fact, so i think. Now just the last you install (kde, gnome, or whatever) let you configure, throught his own script, display manager and default desktop, and this is not good i think. Moreover there are a lot of single user Debian computer, and since Debian is one of the best distros about integrity and "out of the box" working, it is not so strange that a Debian root is kind of novice and doesn't know bash scripting, or other difficult things. PAolo -- if you have a minute to spend pleas visit my photogrphy site: http://mypic.altervista.org
Re: update-alternatives and window-manager and display-manager
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 11:50 -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: > > I think that * update-alternatives is a good facility > > It isn't, really. IMHO it is. > > * there should be a unified method for chosing window/desktop manager or > > whatever, since it gives the users some chances to do things without much > > pain, and make easy to document and learn how things works > > No, actually a user should never be messing with the alternatives system. > Further, users don't need to know and shouldn't have to know how things > work. Ok, not the average user, but root. I don't think that Paolo wanted each user on the system to be able to change things with update-alternatives, I think with user he meant a person with Debian installed on his workstation, so this user would in fact have root privileges. > > > So, is update-alternatives the standard method? If not which is the > > standard method? > > The standard method is to actually launch the environment you want. Gdm > provides session files for this purpose, as does KDM. Xdm uses your > ~/.xsession file. Thats right, but update-alternatives would be the right place to set the default one ( just my 2ยข Marcel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: update-alternatives and window-manager and display-manager
2005/8/22, Marc Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 11:55:14AM +0200, Paolo Pantaleo wrote: > > 1) I think that the display mangaer should be choosen using > > update-alternatives --confi x-display-manager > > (btw: how is it made now?) > > The startup scripts for the various display managers pay attention to the > contents of the file /etc/X11/default-display-manager > > > 2) I have gnome installed, but in > > update-alternatives --config x-window-manager > > gnome it is not displayed > > Gnome isn't a window manager, and has never been a window manager. > > > So i think that the update-alternatives method is not fully supported. > > You'd be wrong. > > > I think that * update-alternatives is a good facility > > It isn't, really. > > > * there should be a unified method for chosing window/desktop manager or > > whatever, since it gives the users some chances to do things without much > > pain, and make easy to document and learn how things works > > No, actually a user should never be messing with the alternatives system. > Further, users don't need to know and shouldn't have to know how things > work. > > > So, is update-alternatives the standard method? If not which is the > > standard method? > > The standard method is to actually launch the environment you want. Gdm > provides session files for this purpose, as does KDM. Xdm uses your > ~/.xsession file. > > How do you expect a user to be changing the alternatives system? They > don't have the power to do so. > > -- > Marc Wilson | Once, adv.: Enough. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dictionary" > > I am not so sure that all you said is right... anyway i do not want to lose time. Anyway you cold be a little more polite next time. PAolo
Re: update-alternatives and window-manager and display-manager
On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 11:55:14AM +0200, Paolo Pantaleo wrote: > 1) I think that the display mangaer should be choosen using > update-alternatives --confi x-display-manager > (btw: how is it made now?) The startup scripts for the various display managers pay attention to the contents of the file /etc/X11/default-display-manager > 2) I have gnome installed, but in > update-alternatives --config x-window-manager > gnome it is not displayed Gnome isn't a window manager, and has never been a window manager. > So i think that the update-alternatives method is not fully supported. You'd be wrong. > I think that * update-alternatives is a good facility It isn't, really. > * there should be a unified method for chosing window/desktop manager or > whatever, since it gives the users some chances to do things without much > pain, and make easy to document and learn how things works No, actually a user should never be messing with the alternatives system. Further, users don't need to know and shouldn't have to know how things work. > So, is update-alternatives the standard method? If not which is the > standard method? The standard method is to actually launch the environment you want. Gdm provides session files for this purpose, as does KDM. Xdm uses your ~/.xsession file. How do you expect a user to be changing the alternatives system? They don't have the power to do so. -- Marc Wilson | Once, adv.: Enough. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dictionary" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
update-alternatives and window-manager and display-manager
[I have stable installed] I noticed some little issues concernig update-alternatives 1) I think that the display mangaer should be choosen using update-alternatives --confi x-display-manager (btw: how is it made now?) 2) I have gnome installed, but in update-alternatives --config x-window-manager gnome it is not displayed So i think that the update-alternatives method is not fully supported. I think that * update-alternatives is a good facility * there should be a unified method for chosing window/desktop manager or whatever, since it gives the users some chances to do things without much pain, and make easy to document and learn how things works So, is update-alternatives the standard method? If not which is the standard method? If it is not too difficult i would like to working on this issue. (I know a little perl an bash scripting, and good C. Do i need to installa unstable?) PAolo -- if you have a minute to spend pleas visit my photogrphy site: http://mypic.altervista.org
