[Declude.JunkMail] Overweight Spam slipping through

[Lee at CybrHost.com]

Curious, and irritating. Declude is set to delete at Weight 30 (Pro
version), and this sender is slipping through. Neither IP range or domain
are whitelisted. Any clues or suggestions?

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Actions

[Bob Gelety]

OK, well that makes sense. I'm using v1.53. I was going by the test
definitions in the $default$.junkmail file supplied with that version.
That solves that issue.

As far as the alias per/user definitions here is what I found:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] forwards to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

My offical hostname in Imail is mail.mydomain.com so my Declude
configuration is c:\imail\declude\mail.mydomain.com. In that folder are
3 per user configurations user1.junkmail user2.junkmail and
user3.junkmail. If I send an individual message to any of those 3 users
explicitly the rules work great. If I send to the alias that points to
all 3, it does not work. So.I turned on debug mode and sent a test
message. In the debug it said it found the domain name for all 3 users
as mydomain.com and was therefor using the c:\imail\$default$.junkmail
definition.

So, for kicks I created a second folder called
c:\imail\declude\mydomain.com and stuck a second copy of the user1 user2
and user3 files in that folder and now it works. 

Soin this mode, I would need to keep 2 copies of the configurations,
one for when email is coming directly to the user and one for when mail
is sent to an alias that includes those users.

Does any of that make any sense?
Thanks..
Bob

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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Actions



>(Actual User Rules)When I configured my test users for the action of 
>SUBJECT [Spam Test] it works fine. The appropriate emails are delivered

>with the subject noted appropriately. When I change from SUBJECT [Spam 
>Test] to FOLDER spam. Nothing seems to happen and the messages are 
>delivered to the normal inbox...

Are you using v1.54?  The FOLDER action will only work in v1.54.

If you send an E-mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", does the E-mail
get 
delivered to the "folder" folder (instead of the inbox)?

>(Alias Rules) It seems no matter what action I define in a per user 
>rule for an alias, none of them affect the email and it is delivered to

>the users specified in the alias as normal. I have tried, SUBJECT, 
>FOLDER and HOLD. All of the email bypasses the actions and is 
>delivered. The headers however show the appropriate failed tests.

That is to be expected.  When you have an alias, Declude JunkMail's 
per-user settings are based on the actual address (the address the
E-mail 
goes to), not the intended address (the alias).  There is a way to
change 
this ("SWITCHRECIPS ON"), but that will change everything in Declude to
use 
the alias, which make have unwanted side-effects.
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Actions

[R. Scott Perry]

>(Actual User Rules)When I configured my test users for the action of
>SUBJECT [Spam Test] it works fine. The appropriate emails are delivered
>with the subject noted appropriately. When I change from SUBJECT [Spam
>Test] to FOLDER spam. Nothing seems to happen and the messages are
>delivered to the normal inbox...

Are you using v1.54?  The FOLDER action will only work in v1.54.

If you send an E-mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", does the E-mail get 
delivered to the "folder" folder (instead of the inbox)?

>(Alias Rules) It seems no matter what action I define in a per user rule
>for an alias, none of them affect the email and it is delivered to the
>users specified in the alias as normal. I have tried, SUBJECT, FOLDER
>and HOLD. All of the email bypasses the actions and is delivered. The
>headers however show the appropriate failed tests.

That is to be expected.  When you have an alias, Declude JunkMail's 
per-user settings are based on the actual address (the address the E-mail 
goes to), not the intended address (the alias).  There is a way to change 
this ("SWITCHRECIPS ON"), but that will change everything in Declude to use 
the alias, which make have unwanted side-effects.
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Actions

[Bob Gelety]

OK, Here is a little more detailed information as I was doing more
testing this evening:

(Actual User Rules)When I configured my test users for the action of
SUBJECT [Spam Test] it works fine. The appropriate emails are delivered
with the subject noted appropriately. When I change from SUBJECT [Spam
Test] to FOLDER spam. Nothing seems to happen and the messages are
delivered to the normal inbox, however the header shows the appropriate
failed test. If I then change from FOLDER spam to HOLD, the messages
failing are moved to the spam folder. So that is working ok too. So it
seems like the FOLDER action is not working for me. As a follow on which
may be causing issues, the standard IMAIL and Spool folder is on the C:/
drive of the server, while all of the users and mailboxes are on the F:
drive of this server. All of the Declude information and
configurations(including the per user configurations) are in the
C:\imail folder.

(Alias Rules) It seems no matter what action I define in a per user rule
for an alias, none of them affect the email and it is delivered to the
users specified in the alias as normal. I have tried, SUBJECT, FOLDER
and HOLD. All of the email bypasses the actions and is delivered. The
headers however show the appropriate failed tests.

Hope this sheds some light
Thanks..
Bob




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>If I have a per user rule established for a standard alias that points 
>to 3 standard email addresses on the system, will the E-mail be moved 
>into the sub-folder for each of those 3 addresses?

Yes, it should.
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude JunkMail v1.54 (beta) released

[R. Scott Perry]

>does the FOLDER option accept a full drive/directory path, i.e. 
>d:\mail\spam or does it only accept a name of a folder, assumed to start 
>at a preset dir, i.e. \spool\foldername - or am I entirely off-base?

The folder action stores the E-mail into a *user* folder, not a file system 
directory.  For example, "WEIGHT10 FOLDER spam" would be the "spam folder" 
in web messaging.  Kind of like Hotmail's "Bulk Mail" folder.
 -Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] now this is almost funny.

[Frederick P. Squib, Jr.]

Not to clutter up the boards myself but I couldn't pass this one up...

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LOL

John Tolmachoff
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] now this is almost funny.


Or how about this one...

;o)


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Actions

[Bob Gelety]

It does not seem to be working for any alias that I have defined. I ran
it for the day today. I have a per/user rule defined for a couple
aliases as well as regular users. The rules for the users work fine, but
the rules for the aliases are not affecting mail delivered to the users
referenced by the alias.
Thanks!!
Bob

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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Actions



>If I have a per user rule established for a standard alias that points 
>to 3 standard email addresses on the system, will the E-mail be moved 
>into the sub-folder for each of those 3 addresses?

Yes, it should.
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude JunkMail v1.54 (beta) released

[Jeff Lesperance]

thanks for the blazing fast response...

Sorry to be asking this if I could otherwise read it online, I've been 
going through a reconfig of my Junkmail setup and could have missed it...

does the FOLDER option accept a full drive/directory path, i.e. 
d:\mail\spam or does it only accept a name of a folder, assumed to start at 
a preset dir, i.e. \spool\foldername - or am I entirely off-base?

At 05:46 PM 6/11/2002, you wrote:

>>Can we actually use all three new options (ROUTETO, COPYTO, and FOLDER), 
>>or just FOLDER? What is the syntax for the FOLDER action?
>
>Current Declude JunkMail Standard customers will be "grandfathered" and 
>will be able to use the FOLDER action.
>
>It does not apply to the COPYTO and ROUTETO, which require the Pro 
>version, no matter what.
>
>Syntax:  "TESTNAME FOLDER spam" (where "spam" is the name of the folder 
>you want to use).
>-Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude JunkMail v1.54 (beta) released

[R. Scott Perry]

>Can we actually use all three new options (ROUTETO, COPYTO, and FOLDER), 
>or just FOLDER? What is the syntax for the FOLDER action?

Current Declude JunkMail Standard customers will be "grandfathered" and 
will be able to use the FOLDER action.

It does not apply to the COPYTO and ROUTETO, which require the Pro version, 
no matter what.

Syntax:  "TESTNAME FOLDER spam" (where "spam" is the name of the folder you 
want to use).
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude JunkMail v1.54 (beta) released

[Jeff Lesperance]

Can we actually use all three new options (ROUTETO, COPYTO, and FOLDER), or 
just FOLDER? What is the syntax for the FOLDER action?

At 07:28 PM 6/10/2002, you wrote:

>> > Current Declude JunkMail Standard customers will be "grandfathered" and
>> > will be able to use the FOLDER action.
>>
>>I'm confused, are you implying that if we purchased Declude JM
>>(not the PRO ver) some time ago, we will be able to use these
>>commands?
>
>That is correct.
> -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] now this is almost funny.

[John Tolmachoff]

LOL

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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] now this is almost funny.


Or how about this one...

;o)


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] now this is almost funny.

[Dale McDiarmid]

Or how about this one...

;o)


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] now this is almost funny.

[John Tolmachoff]

I had one of those from Social Security.

I forwarded it to the public contact.

The next day, I got an angry phone call from some head of an IT
department asking me what the h*** I was talking about. I asked him if
he was on the Internet right now, he said yes, I said to go to Declude
tools page and enter his mail server IP. Was he shocked.

Last I heard of it.

John Tolmachoff
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
www.reliancesoft.com


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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] now this is almost funny.


This is almost funny or sad or whatever :(

Our beloved government..

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[Eje Gustafsson]

This is almost funny or sad or whatever :(

Our beloved government..

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Actions

[R. Scott Perry]

>If I have a per user rule established for a standard alias that points
>to 3 standard email addresses on the system, will the E-mail be moved
>into the sub-folder for each of those 3 addresses?

Yes, it should.
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Actions

[Bob Gelety]

If I have a per user rule established for a standard alias that points
to 3 standard email addresses on the system, will the E-mail be moved
into the sub-folder for each of those 3 addresses?
Thanks!!
Bob Gelety

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> > Right after the word "FOLDER", "COPYTO", or "ROUTETO".  For example:
> >
> >  WEIGHT10FOLDER  spam
>
>For this option do we need to do the following?
>
>1. Create a folder (directory)
>2. Give it the drive letter and path

No -- the FOLDER action is used to move the E-mail into a user's
sub-folder 
(mailbox), not to a specific folder on the hard drive.  In the above 
example, it would save the E-mail to the "spam" folder of whatever user 
receives the E-mail (so they can check it using web messaging, for
example).
 -Scott

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