RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Groups with per user .junkmail files

[Trent M. Davenport]

OK, so you still rock.  Training my administrative staff is gonna be a joy.
They know how to copy paste and rename.  Actually editing a file, now THAT's
a different story.

Trent
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>Because we're an ISP we have to leave our subscribers with options.  Right
>now we have 3 options
>
>1.  No notifications (all items are set to warn)
>2.  Regular SPAM blocking (Weight 20 set to delete)
>3.  Aggressive SPAM blocking (Weight 10 set to delete)
>
>and a $default$.junkmail that does a header insertion telling them that
SPAM
>detection has found SPAM and if they'd like it enabled or the notifications
>removed, to contact us.
>
>We already have over 60 people signed up, and we've created user.junkmail
>files based upon the option they want.  We just copy the template files I
>created to their user.junkmail file.  Problem is, if we get a few hundred
of
>these (we have 1800 subscribers) and then something changes, or we want to
>change the message, I don't want to manually have to change 200 .junkmail
>files.

Doing it your way, you would have 200 .junkmail files, each with a
"REDIRECT" command in it to one of several config files.

Doing it my way, you would have just one \IMail\Declude\$default$.JunkMail,
with one REDIRECT line for each of the 200 users.  Wouldn't that be
easier?  If you wanted to change something (such as adding a new test),
using either method, you would just need to modify the 3 files that are
used in the redirection ("no notifications", "regular", and "aggressive").
 -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Pay services

[Sheldon Koehler]

> Are any of the pay services worth it?

We use Sniffer.

> How much are they?

$300 per year I think.

> Is the integration with Declude easy?

Yes, but we set it up to be a weighted test.


Sheldon


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Groups with per user .junkmail files

[R. Scott Perry]

>Because we're an ISP we have to leave our subscribers with options.  Right
>now we have 3 options
>
>1.  No notifications (all items are set to warn)
>2.  Regular SPAM blocking (Weight 20 set to delete)
>3.  Aggressive SPAM blocking (Weight 10 set to delete)
>
>and a $default$.junkmail that does a header insertion telling them that SPAM
>detection has found SPAM and if they'd like it enabled or the notifications
>removed, to contact us.
>
>We already have over 60 people signed up, and we've created user.junkmail
>files based upon the option they want.  We just copy the template files I
>created to their user.junkmail file.  Problem is, if we get a few hundred of
>these (we have 1800 subscribers) and then something changes, or we want to
>change the message, I don't want to manually have to change 200 .junkmail
>files.

Doing it your way, you would have 200 .junkmail files, each with a 
"REDIRECT" command in it to one of several config files.

Doing it my way, you would have just one \IMail\Declude\$default$.JunkMail, 
with one REDIRECT line for each of the 200 users.  Wouldn't that be 
easier?  If you wanted to change something (such as adding a new test), 
using either method, you would just need to modify the 3 files that are 
used in the redirection ("no notifications", "regular", and "aggressive").
 -Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Groups with per user .junkmail files

[Trent M. Davenport]

Because we're an ISP we have to leave our subscribers with options.  Right
now we have 3 options

1.  No notifications (all items are set to warn)
2.  Regular SPAM blocking (Weight 20 set to delete)
3.  Aggressive SPAM blocking (Weight 10 set to delete)

and a $default$.junkmail that does a header insertion telling them that SPAM
detection has found SPAM and if they'd like it enabled or the notifications
removed, to contact us.

We already have over 60 people signed up, and we've created user.junkmail
files based upon the option they want.  We just copy the template files I
created to their user.junkmail file.  Problem is, if we get a few hundred of
these (we have 1800 subscribers) and then something changes, or we want to
change the message, I don't want to manually have to change 200 .junkmail
files.

Just as an aside, we have about 40 different domains too.

Any thoughts.

Trent
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>The manual says that groups should work in any per-user file, but do I
>have to have the format of REDIRECT
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] filename, or can I use a
>wildcard as listed above.

A wildcard won't work -- you have to specify the username.

>The reason we want to do this, is for ease of administration.  If
>somewhere down the road we want to add an additional filter or change the
>wording of a header, we could just do it in 1 place, instead of having to
>do it in each user.junkmail file.

Instead of having the \IMail\Declude\example.com\user1.JunkMail file have a
redirect line to \IMail\Declude\weight10.cfg, why not instead have the
redirect line in the \IMail\Declude\$default$.JunkMail file?  That way, all
the users could be controlled with just one file.
  -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Groups with per user .junkmail files

[R. Scott Perry]

>The manual says that groups should work in any per-user file, but do I 
>have to have the format of REDIRECT 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] filename, or can I use a 
>wildcard as listed above.

A wildcard won't work -- you have to specify the username.

>The reason we want to do this, is for ease of administration.  If 
>somewhere down the road we want to add an additional filter or change the 
>wording of a header, we could just do it in 1 place, instead of having to 
>do it in each user.junkmail file.

Instead of having the \IMail\Declude\example.com\user1.JunkMail file have a 
redirect line to \IMail\Declude\weight10.cfg, why not instead have the 
redirect line in the \IMail\Declude\$default$.JunkMail file?  That way, all 
the users could be controlled with just one file.
  -Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] Groups with per user .junkmail files

[Trent M. Davenport]

Here's what I'd like 
to accomplish
 
weight10.cfg
  Config File 
with what to do when fails weight 10
 
weight20.cfg
  Config File with what to 
do when fails weight 20
 
user1.junkmail
  REDIRECT * 
c:\imail\declude\weight10.cfg
 
user2.junkmail
  REDIRECT * 
c:\imail\declude\weight20.cfg
 
The manual says that 
groups should work in any per-user file, but do I have to have the format of 
REDIRECT [EMAIL PROTECTED] filename, or can 
I use a wildcard as listed above.
 
The reason we want 
to do this, is for ease of administration.  If somewhere down the road we 
want to add an additional filter or change the wording of a header, we could 
just do it in 1 place, instead of having to do it in each user.junkmail 
file.
 
Trent
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Pay services

[Kami Razvan]

Hi;
We don't use any pay services.  I am amazed as the effectiveness of the
ones that are free.

Simply with Declude and the tests listed -- we have enabled a large
number of those in the list-- I know I, very rarely, get one or two
spams a month.  The tests are quite effective.

We simply route weights of 20 to Admin and then use the spams trapped
for blacklisting, or adding to our filter file.

So if you spend a little time fine tuning your global and filter files
the base systems are perfect and for one or two that skip the traps the
money is not worth it.

May be a discussion on this list could be good on what free tests people
find most effective and the actions they take based on those tests.

Regards,
Kami

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Are any of the pay services worth it?

How much are they?

Is the integration with Declude easy?

Thanks



Timothy C. Bohen
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] What is sniffer?

[Ron Harris]

Check out the following link.

http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/

Sniffer allegedly may be able to filter 85% of spam - according to some
recent spam trap statistics I've seen.

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What does it do? Why should I use it?

Thanks



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What does it do? Why should I use it?

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[Declude.JunkMail] Pay services

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Are any of the pay services worth it?

How much are they?

Is the integration with Declude easy?

Thanks



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] DSN:Attachments

[Ron Harris]

FYI:

IMail has problems with filename attachments containing spaces.  If you send
somebody an email with an attachment with a space in the filename, web
messaging will not be able to read the attachment.  If you rename the file
without spaces and resend the e-mail, users will be able to see the
attachment in IMail web messaging.

I realize that your issue may be a different problem, however, I thought you
should know about this known issue.

Good luck.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] DSN:WHY

[R. Scott Perry]

>Doesn't the outgoing mail section of global.cfg only apply to the Pro 
>version? Just checking.

Yes.
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Per User - Alias Account

[Charles Frolick]

Have you tried making both of them a group alias, and point them to the same
text file?  This will make it so you only have to edit the one file and both
aliases point to the same mail boxes. It also makes it scriptable for edits,
it you really need to go that far.

Chuck Frolick
ArgoNet, Inc.

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Scott,

I had a situation where there was an alias that pointed to another alias.
We did this because we wanted two aliases pointing to a group of about 5
addresses.  And we did not want or need the overhead of a list.  Nor did we
want to have to edit both aliases every time the group changed (it changes a
lot!).

I found that in this case, the junkmail settings for the actual user
accounts did not work.  My assumption was that JunkMail resolved the first
alias and assumed the second one was the name of a user account.  And since
there was no .junkmail file by that name, it used the default settings.  Is
this what was going on?  We ended up making two duplicate aliases with
different names to get the users' junkmail settings to work.  But now we
have to do frequent updates to both aliases.

Is there a better way to do this?

Thanks.

--Todd.




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>
> >I have a client with an alias on 1 virtual domain that points to a
mailbox
> >on a second virtual domain.
> >
> >I want to enable SPAM blocking on the alias, but not on the actual
mailbox.
> >I tried creating the .junkmail file in the domain folder in which the
alias
> >exists, but it is not actually dealing with the tasks as in the .junkmail
> >file
> >
> >Can this be accomplished?
>
> No -- the settings for the actual mailbox will be used.
>-Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] DSN:WHY

[Keith Purtell]

Doesn't the outgoing mail section of global.cfg only apply to the Pro version? Just 
checking.

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OK got it.

kevin
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>
> >So - let me see if I have this right -
> >the global.cfg file performs the test and the $default$.junkmail performs
> >the action. Right!
>
> Close.
>
> The global.cfg has all the global settings in it.  That includes things
> like that activation code, the test definitions, and the actions to take
on
> all outgoing mail.
>
> The \Imail\Declude\$default$.JunkMail file lists the actions for incoming
mail.
>  -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DSN:WHY

[Kevin \(Linkbrokers Support\)]

OK got it.

kevin
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>
> >So - let me see if I have this right -
> >the global.cfg file performs the test and the $default$.junkmail performs
> >the action. Right!
>
> Close.
>
> The global.cfg has all the global settings in it.  That includes things
> like that activation code, the test definitions, and the actions to take
on
> all outgoing mail.
>
> The \Imail\Declude\$default$.JunkMail file lists the actions for incoming
mail.
>  -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Per User - Alias Account

[R. Scott Perry]

>My assumption was that JunkMail resolved the first
>alias and assumed the second one was the name of a user account.  And since
>there was no .junkmail file by that name, it used the default settings.  Is
>this what was going on?

Unfortunately, this is all handled by IMail.  IMail gives Declude two 
addresses - the intended recipient (the one that the remote mailserver 
tried sending the E-mail to), and the actual recipient (the one that IMail 
says that it is, after aliases are handled).  I'm guessing that IMail 
translates the alias once before sending it to Declude, and again after 
Declude processes the E-mail to get to the final recipient.
 -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DSN:Attachments

[Kevin \(Linkbrokers Support\)]

This happen when using OE email browser. I changes some setting about 30
minutes ago now I can't repeat the problem. I removed some "warn" and
"bounce" and "alerts"  change everything back to warn and it works now.
Crap - I will I had a photo graphic mind.
If it happen again - I will keep better notes.
I going out for a Coors Light .

kevin

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> What happens when you try clicking the link?  Is this IE (Internet
> Explorer, using IMail's web messaging), or OE (Outlook Express)?  You said
> that it was not web messaging, but you are saying that it is a web browser
> you are using to access the mail?
> -Scott
>
> At 01:51 PM 10/3/2002, you wrote:
> >All attachments!
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "R. Scott Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:40 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DSN:Attachments
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >No! regular email attachments in IE.
> > >
> > > What happens when you try clicking the link?  Does this happen with
all
> > > attachments, or just certain types of attachments?
> > > -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Per User - Alias Account

[Todd Ryan]

Scott,

I had a situation where there was an alias that pointed to another alias.
We did this because we wanted two aliases pointing to a group of about 5
addresses.  And we did not want or need the overhead of a list.  Nor did we
want to have to edit both aliases every time the group changed (it changes a
lot!).

I found that in this case, the junkmail settings for the actual user
accounts did not work.  My assumption was that JunkMail resolved the first
alias and assumed the second one was the name of a user account.  And since
there was no .junkmail file by that name, it used the default settings.  Is
this what was going on?  We ended up making two duplicate aliases with
different names to get the users' junkmail settings to work.  But now we
have to do frequent updates to both aliases.

Is there a better way to do this?

Thanks.

--Todd.




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>
> >I have a client with an alias on 1 virtual domain that points to a
mailbox
> >on a second virtual domain.
> >
> >I want to enable SPAM blocking on the alias, but not on the actual
mailbox.
> >I tried creating the .junkmail file in the domain folder in which the
alias
> >exists, but it is not actually dealing with the tasks as in the .junkmail
> >file
> >
> >Can this be accomplished?
>
> No -- the settings for the actual mailbox will be used.
>-Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DSN:Attachments

[R. Scott Perry]

What happens when you try clicking the link?  Is this IE (Internet 
Explorer, using IMail's web messaging), or OE (Outlook Express)?  You said 
that it was not web messaging, but you are saying that it is a web browser 
you are using to access the mail?
-Scott

At 01:51 PM 10/3/2002, you wrote:
>All attachments!
>
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>
>
> >
> > >No! regular email attachments in IE.
> >
> > What happens when you try clicking the link?  Does this happen with all
> > attachments, or just certain types of attachments?
> > -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] DSN:MONKEYFORMMAIL

[John Tolmachoff]

>I must be really stupid I having a tough time with all this.   

NAH, just normal. FWIW, I have no idea what MONKEYFORMMAIL test is.

>IM going to start drinking on the job soon!

Only if you share with the rest of us. :))

Oh, and I have not forgotten about the e-mail you sent me. Still playing
catch up.

John Tolmachoff
IT Manager, Network Engineer
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DSN:Attachments

[Kevin \(Linkbrokers Support\)]

All attachments!

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>
> >No! regular email attachments in IE.
>
> What happens when you try clicking the link?  Does this happen with all
> attachments, or just certain types of attachments?
> -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DSN:Attachments

[R. Scott Perry]

>Is this using the Declude "spam wrapper" feature?  I had that happen quite 
>a bit when I was using that action during initial configuration 
>testing.  Decided not to use it in the end.

That is (or should be) a separate issue.  The ATTACH action creates the 
attachment, but it is up to the mail client to display it 
properly.  Ironically, it seems that Outlook handles it the best.  One 
version of Eudora, for example, will always display the headers of the 
attached E-mail (apparently, their programmers are clueless as to what 
attached E-mails are used for), and either a link to the E-mail (if the 
E-mail is text only), or display the E-mail (if it is HTML).
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DSN:Attachments

[Glenn \\ WCNet]

Is this using the Declude "spam wrapper" 
feature?  I had that happen quite a bit when I was using that action during 
initial configuration testing.  Decided not to use it in the 
end.
 
Glenn Z.
 

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  DSN:Attachments
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  Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:05 PMSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 
  DSN:Attachments>> >Ok here is another 
  question.   What would cause attachment to show up in> 
  >the email but unable to open them.>> Are you talking about 
  in web messaging?  Someone just asked that earlier> today on the 
  IMail Mailing List, but the only response so far was the> suggestion to 
  upgrade to the latest version of 
  IMail.>  
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DSN:MONKEYFORMMAIL

[R. Scott Perry]

>I have a very good customer who uses Earthlinks web based email program. 
>She just called me to let me know
>that a email she sent to her regular customer failed due to
>
>The mail server for golfersguide.com does not accept E-mail that fails the 
>MONKEYFORMMAIL spam test.
>
>I don't understand why a earthlink webbased email program would be listed 
>with MONKEYFORMMAIL spam test.
>
>What's is the work around so customers using earthlinks webbased mail 
>program do not get this message.

The first step is to try to fix the problem, not work around it.

The problem is that Earthlink has (or used to have) a formmail script on 
that web site, that could be used by spammers to send out spam.

>I know I can set the $default#junk.mail file to "warn"   but that wont 
>stop the spam mail.  right?  So how does this
>work?

That's correct -- setting the action for the MONKEYFORMMAIL test to WARN 
will affect all incoming mail, including spam.

One way to work around the problem would be by whitelisting your customer's 
E-mail address (with a line such as "WHITELIST FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED]" in 
the \IMail\Declude\global.cfg file).  Note that you should not whitelist 
the entire Earthlink domain, as it will frequently appear as the return 
address on spam.

Note that the weighting system gets around problems like this by requiring 
several tests to fail, so if the Earthlink web mailer only failed the 
MONKEYFORMMAIL test, it wouldn't get caught.
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DSN:Attachments

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>No! regular email attachments in IE.

What happens when you try clicking the link?  Does this happen with all 
attachments, or just certain types of attachments?
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[Kevin \(Linkbrokers Support\)]

No! regular email attachments in IE.
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>
> >Ok here is another question.   What would cause attachment to show up in
> >the email but unable to open them.
>
> Are you talking about in web messaging?  Someone just asked that earlier
> today on the IMail Mailing List, but the only response so far was the
> suggestion to upgrade to the latest version of IMail.
>  -Scott
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[Declude.JunkMail] DSN:MONKEYFORMMAIL

[Kevin \(Linkbrokers Support\)]

Question!
I have a very good customer who uses Earthlinks web 
based email program. She just called me to let me know
that a email she sent to her regular customer 
failed due to 
 
The mail server for golfersguide.com does not accept E-mail that fails the 
MONKEYFORMMAIL spam test.
 
I don't understand why a earthlink webbased email 
program would be listed with MONKEYFORMMAIL 
spam test.
 
What's is the work around so customers using 
earthlinks webbased mail program do not get this message. 
I know I can set the $default#junk.mail file to 
"warn"   but that wont stop the spam mail.  right?  So how 
does this
work?
 
I must be really stupid I having a tough time with 
all this.   - IM going to start drinking on the job 
soon!
 
 
Kevin - FLUSTRATED TOBACCO FARMMER 
-    stop smoking
 
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DSN:Attachments

[R. Scott Perry]

>Ok here is another question.   What would cause attachment to show up in 
>the email but unable to open them.

Are you talking about in web messaging?  Someone just asked that earlier 
today on the IMail Mailing List, but the only response so far was the 
suggestion to upgrade to the latest version of IMail.
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DSN:WHY

[R. Scott Perry]

>So - let me see if I have this right -
>the global.cfg file performs the test and the $default$.junkmail performs
>the action. Right!

Close.

The global.cfg has all the global settings in it.  That includes things 
like that activation code, the test definitions, and the actions to take on 
all outgoing mail.

The \Imail\Declude\$default$.JunkMail file lists the actions for incoming mail.
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[Declude.JunkMail] DSN:Attachments

[Kevin \(Linkbrokers Support\)]

Ok here is another question.   What would 
cause attachment to show up in the email but unable to open them.
 
kevin
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DSN:WHY

[Kevin \(Linkbrokers Support\)]

So - let me see if I have this right -
the global.cfg file performs the test and the $default$.junkmail performs
the action. Right!

kevin
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>
> >If this message failed the myfiler test. Why did I get it?
>
> Declude JunkMail runs each E-mail against a number of different tests.
For
> each test that it fails, an action is taken.  That's how spam gets blocked
> -- by using the HOLD or DELETE actions.
>
> In this case, the test failed the MYFILTER test, but the action for that
> test was something other than HOLD or DELETE.  You should have a line such
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DSN:WHY

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>If this message failed the myfiler test. Why did I get it?

Declude JunkMail runs each E-mail against a number of different tests.  For 
each test that it fails, an action is taken.  That's how spam gets blocked 
-- by using the HOLD or DELETE actions.

In this case, the test failed the MYFILTER test, but the action for that 
test was something other than HOLD or DELETE.  You should have a line such 
as "MYFILTER HOLD" in the \IMail\Declude\$default$.JunkMail file.
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filtering question

[R. Scott Perry]

>Is it possible to enclose phrases in quotes for these filters?
>
>" robert allen "
>
>If not can this be a feature request?

It's already in the suggestion database.  :)
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[Declude.JunkMail] DSN:WHY

[Kevin \(Linkbrokers Support\)]

If this message failed the myfiler test. Why did I 
get it?
 
Received: from emztd2573.com [64.110.76.207] by 
scooby.linkbrokers.com  (SMTPD32-7.13) id AC034B01FC; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 
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Oct 2002 14:55:10 -0700Subject: Urgent Response!X-Mailer: Microsoft 
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quoted-printableMessage-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>X-RBL-Warning: 
SPAMHEADERS: This E-mail has headers consistent with spam 
[420e].X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT10: Weight of 50 reaches or exceeds the 
limit of 10.X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT20: Weight of 50 reaches or exceeds the 
limit of 20.X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT35: Weight of 50 reaches or exceeds the 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filtering question

[Madscientist]

Scott,

Is it possible to enclose phrases in quotes for these filters?

" robert allen "

If not can this be a feature request?

_M

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| Scott Perry
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| 
| 
| >If I want to add two words into a single filter rule how do 
| I do this?
| >
| >For example:
| >
| >BODY10  CONTAINSrobert allen
| >
| >I'm assuming that the space would confuse the rule.
| 
| Actually, that will work (the only problem is that spaces 
| before/after the 
| filter text won't be used, but they will be used if they are 
| in the filter 
| text).
| 
| >Should I add:
| >
| >BODY10  CONTAINSrobert%20allen
| 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filtering question

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>If I want to add two words into a single filter rule how do I do this?
>
>For example:
>
>BODY10  CONTAINSrobert allen
>
>I'm assuming that the space would confuse the rule.

Actually, that will work (the only problem is that spaces before/after the 
filter text won't be used, but they will be used if they are in the filter 
text).

>Should I add:
>
>BODY10  CONTAINSrobert%20allen

No -- the "%20" format only works in HTML/HTTP.
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[Declude.JunkMail] Filtering question

[Mark Smith]

If I want to add two words into a single filter rule how do I do this?

For example:

BODY10  CONTAINSrobert allen

I'm assuming that the space would confuse the rule.
Should I add:

BODY10  CONTAINSrobert%20allen


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Per User - Alias Account

[John Tolmachoff]

I wonder if that would work for what I was trying to do also.

I will have to give it a try.

John Tolmachoff
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
www.reliancesoft.com

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Per User - Alias Account


>What if you created a mailbox instead of an alias on the first virtual
>domain that only forwarded and did not store?  Would JunkMail process
before
>Imail forwarded?

Good idea -- Declude JunkMail would scan based on the name of the
mailbox, 
before the E-mail was forwarded.
  -Scott

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