Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] An optional web interface for Declude JunkMail?

[Sanford Whiteman]

>> Nobody  seems  to have acknowledged my message about REDIRECTing to
>> PLAN.IMA for per-user actions, but I am using the method with great
>> success  to  provide  user  self-management from *within* IMail Web
>> Messaging. If I, no JavaScript guru, can do it, surely others could
>> go  this  or  similar  routes  and  leave  you  free for developing
>> Junkmail Ultra. :)

> I'm curious about this, would you send me a sample?

I  have,  in defiance of the usual prohibitions, sent a screen shot of
what  I  have  running *within IMail*, since everyone but Tom seems to
think  this  is  a non-issue. I will send my beta code to anyone who's
interested.

-Sandy


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Two Declude Tests?

[John Tolmachoff]

Why not weight those 2 tests so that it will be deleted?

John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
www.reliancesoft.com


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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:08 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Two Declude Tests?
> 
> 
> >We already assign weights to SPAMHEADERS, BADHEADERS, BASE64, etc
> etc
> >
> >However we would like to do something that may be a bit unique.
> >
> >If a message matches SNIFFER & SPAMHEADERS, we would like to just delete
> it.
> >Can we combine tests and create a new action off of that?
> 
> That's isn't possible, but is in the suggestion database.  I'm guessing
> that not many people would use it, but it is something that we are looking
> into.
>   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] An optional web interface for Declude JunkMail?

[David Stavert]

Not really. It could use Declude Confirm. Fill out a page add your email
address. The web page mails a confirmation (make sure this is what you want)
and mail it back to start the process. No login required.

David

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
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> Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] An optional web interface for Declude
> JunkMail?
>
>
>
> >How are subscribers going to log into a web interface? Won't they need a
> >password of some type to verify they are who they say they are? Will they
> >need another password or will they be able to use their IMail
> password and
> >Declude would tap into the IMail database to verify the password?
>
> They would need to log in, but with the same username/password as they
> already use with IMail.
> -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] An optional web interface for Declude JunkMail?

[David Stavert]

The program alias could be used effectively if it were a web generated email
message. It could be hosted on another machine/os/programming language etc
if it were all handled as a program alias.
Create a couple of examples and Administrators could modify to their hearts
content.


David

> >Could we take a lower tech route and use the program alias capabilities?
> >Make changing your spam settings similar to
> subscribing/unsubscribing from a

> That's what we were originally thinking of a few years back, but the
> problem is that end users are well... end users.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Two Declude Tests?

[R. Scott Perry]

We already assign weights to SPAMHEADERS, BADHEADERS, BASE64, etc etc

However we would like to do something that may be a bit unique.

If a message matches SNIFFER & SPAMHEADERS, we would like to just delete it.
Can we combine tests and create a new action off of that?


That's isn't possible, but is in the suggestion database.  I'm guessing 
that not many people would use it, but it is something that we are looking 
into.
 -Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] Two Declude Tests?

[Aaron Moreau-Cook]

We already assign weights to SPAMHEADERS, BADHEADERS, BASE64, etc etc

However we would like to do something that may be a bit unique.

If a message matches SNIFFER & SPAMHEADERS, we would like to just delete it.
Can we combine tests and create a new action off of that?

Thanks

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Lost emails

[Jim Rooth]

Thanks...that explains why...DNS has been bouncing and the great ISP has
killed the backup servers...oh well, back to the drawing board!

Jim Rooth
KLOTRON,INC.
Office: 817.654.3018.103
Home: 972.606.6341
Mobile: 214.244.0979
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]  On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
Sent:   Wednesday, December 18, 2002 17:36
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Lost emails


>I am having a small problem.  One company sends an email to my mail server.
>They get a return that says it is an unknown user..  They answer an email
we
>send them.  They get it back with unknown user.  I gave them a completely
>different address.  Mine.  One time it goes through and never again.  I had
>them send me an email to my personal address and it came through with no
>problems.  What am I missing here?

The "Unknown User" message comes from IMail (or another mailserver), and
indicates that the server receiving the E-mail doesn't recognize the
account that the E-mail is being sent to.

>Oh yes, the logs show no record of
>ever receiving any emails that were sent other than the two that came
>through.  I checked the syslog, virlog, declog, hilog and log.txt.  No
>where does it mention any of the emails that are not getting through.

In this case (BTW, it's the syslog or log.txt that it would appear in),
if the E-mail doesn't appear, then it isn't reaching your server.

I think the problem can be seen at
http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/mail.ch?[EMAIL PROTECTED] .  It
seems that one of your backup mailservers doesn't accept mail addressed to
you, and the other backup mailserver is down.  Therefore, if they can't
reach your mailserver for some reason (even due to a temporary problem on
their end), the mail will go to your backup that will bounce it.
 -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Lost emails

[R. Scott Perry]

I am having a small problem.  One company sends an email to my mail server.
They get a return that says it is an unknown user..  They answer an email we
send them.  They get it back with unknown user.  I gave them a completely
different address.  Mine.  One time it goes through and never again.  I had
them send me an email to my personal address and it came through with no
problems.  What am I missing here?


The "Unknown User" message comes from IMail (or another mailserver), and 
indicates that the server receiving the E-mail doesn't recognize the 
account that the E-mail is being sent to.

Oh yes, the logs show no record of
ever receiving any emails that were sent other than the two that came
through.  I checked the syslog, virlog, declog, hilog and log.txt.  No
where does it mention any of the emails that are not getting through.


In this case (BTW, it's the syslog or log.txt that it would appear in), 
if the E-mail doesn't appear, then it isn't reaching your server.

I think the problem can be seen at 
http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/mail.ch?[EMAIL PROTECTED] .  It 
seems that one of your backup mailservers doesn't accept mail addressed to 
you, and the other backup mailserver is down.  Therefore, if they can't 
reach your mailserver for some reason (even due to a temporary problem on 
their end), the mail will go to your backup that will bounce it.
-Scott

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Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] An optional web interface for Declude JunkMail?

[Sanford Whiteman]

>> I have Declude scanning all mail using an undocumented technique. I
>> will post it, if you promise not to ask Scott directly (seriously).

> Please pretty please.

The  reason Declude cannot scan mail sent from IWEBMSG is that IWEBMSG
uses  IMAIL1  to encode messages, and IMAIL1 is hard-coded to transfer
control  to  SMTP32.EXE, rather than reading the SendName key from the
Registry.

So, if IMAIL1 is going to use whatever's called "SMTP32.EXE," you need
a workaround:

- First, make a backup of the Ipswitch SMTP32.EXE in a safe place.

- Then, rename Ipswitch's SMTP32.EXE to IPSMTP32.EXE.

- Next, make a copy of DECLUDE.EXE and call it SMTP32.EXE.

- Finally, in your .CFG, add the undocumented DAISYCHAIN directive:

DAISYCHAIN IPSMTP32.EXE

(DAISYCHAIN  tells  Declude  to  transfer control to a delivery engine
with a non-default name.)

That's  it. It has the added strong benefit of letting IWEBMSG benefit
from Declude Queue.

NOTE:  I'm  serious  about  not  expecting  Scott's  feedback on this;
DAISYCHAIN  has been closely guarded, since it makes Declude look like
much  more  of  a kludge than we all know it to be, and I don't expect
him  to  stand  up  for  it  beyond  his  very gracious parsing of the
keyword.  In  the  future, I'm sure Ipswitch will fix IMAIL1, and this
will all go away.

-Sandy

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[Declude.JunkMail] Lost emails

[Jim Rooth]

I am having a small problem.  One company sends an email to my mail server.
They get a return that says it is an unknown user..  They answer an email we
send them.  They get it back with unknown user.  I gave them a completely
different address.  Mine.  One time it goes through and never again.  I had
them send me an email to my personal address and it came through with no
problems.  What am I missing here?  I thought maybe they had an internal and
external mail program and the guy was sending it through the wrong program.
He assures me that isn't the case...they send all email through the internet
and he can send to many other clients across the country with no problem.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Oh yes, the logs show no record of
ever receiving any emails that were sent other than the two that came
through.  I checked the syslog, virlog, declog, hilog and log.txt.  No
where does it mention any of the emails that are not getting through.  Makes
me think his mail server is bad but he can send to other companies with no
problem...

Here are the headers from the GOOD email:

Return-Path: <@alironmarketing.com>
Received: from mail.allironmarketing.com ([209.151.255.101])
  by rwcrgwc52.attbi.com
  (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP
  id
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:34:54 +
Received: from ALIRON05 [209.167.97.68] by mail.allironmarketing.com with
ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-7.11) id A74A1CBD0096; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:31:38 -0800
Reply-To: <@alironmarketing.com>
From: "*** " <@alironmarketing.com>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Test
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:36:17 -0500
Message-ID: 
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
Importance: Normal
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700

Here is the header where it did come through my server the  one time:

Received: from mail.allironmarketing.com [209.151.255.101] by email.genesis
with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-7.12) id A806469017E; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:26:30 -0600
Received: from ALIRON05 [209.167.97.68] by mail.allironmarketing.com with
ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-7.11) id A74376AF0052; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:23:15 -0800
Reply-To: <@alironmarketing.com>
From: " " <@alironmarketing.com>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Undeliverable Mail
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:27:54 -0500
Message-ID: 
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
Importance: Normal
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-RBL-Warning: MYFILTER: Message failed MYFILTER test (1536)
X-Declude-Sender: @alironmarketing.com [209.151.255.101]
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for
spam.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: MYFILTER
X-RCPT-TO: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Status: U
X-UIDL: 326489075

Here is the message he received about it being a bad user name:

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 3:57 PM
To: @alironmarketing.com
Subject: Undeliverable Mail


Unknown user: @centralfreight.com


Original message follows.

Received: from ALIRON05 [209.167.97.68] by mail.allironmarketing.com with
ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-7.11) id AE1E4AB60042; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:57:02 -0800
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: " " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <@centralfreight.com>
Subject: RE: E MAIL
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:01:38 -0500
Message-ID: 
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
Importance: Normal
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for
spam.
X-Note: This E-mail was sent from [No Reverse DNS] ([209.167.97.68]).
Jim Rooth
KLOTRON,INC.
Office: 817.654.3018.103
Home: 972.606.6341
Mobile: 214.244.0979
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: MS update

[Charles Frolick]

Great a patch for a very old issue is going to cost me $600 to get a new
service agreement for other upgrades I didin't want. (Still running
6.06, patch is for 7.13, funny how ver.7 has had 13 revisions and no
where near ver.8, ver.6 only needed 6)

Chuck Frolick
ArgoNet, Inc.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Frederick
Samarelli
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: MS update


A Hotfix to the IMail software is available from
http://ipswitch.com/Support/IMail/patch-upgrades.html that will correct
the
display issue.

- Original Message -
From: "John Tolmachoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:54 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: MS update


> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];328310
>
> John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA
> IT Manager, Network Engineer
> RelianceSoft, Inc.
> Fullerton, CA  92835
> www.reliancesoft.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:33 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: MS update
>
> Not me but then again, I'm running 7.13 (or whatever the latest
version
> is).
> This seems to be more of a screen paint issue than anything else. I
> can't even find MSKB article Q328310 so I'm not sure what it is.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Michael
> Lauritzen
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:35 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: MS update
>
>
> Has anyone else seen this?
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott MacLean
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 11:26 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: MS update
>
>
> Slightly off this topic, but I just learned the hard way that if you
> have intentions of continuing to use the server-based IMail 6
> administration program, do NOT install Microsoft update Q328310.
You'll
> get something like this as a result:
>
> http://www.nerosoft.com/Test/IMail.gif
>
> At 11:09 AM 12/17/2002, Craig Gittens wrote:
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] An optional web interface for Declude JunkMail?

[Tony Gray - Network Administrator]

>However, as a school I would simply enforce the spam control and too bad
>some legitimate mail gets caught. I will have a look at those mails once or
>twice a week and forward them if they seem legit. For THAT I would like a
>simple to use tool, either a small web interface or a gui tool to quickly
>look at those mails and hit a forward or a delete key.

THAT tool already exists:
http://www.slsoft.com/spamreview.htm

- Tony

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] An optional web interface for Declude JunkMail?

[Bonno Bloksma]

Hi,

> >That's already there -- the configuration files are plain text files, and
> >can be accessed with ASP, PHP, proprietary interface, etc.  :)
> >
> >I'm not sure if the advantages of an API (not having to deal with the
text
> >files directly) would outweigh the disadvantages (less flexibility).
> >-Scott
>
> Maybe a simple answer to this problem would be a seperate exe
> (decutil.exe(?)) that you could call via the command line (or
> perl/php/etc/etc) to edit the config files.  Something that worked along
the
> lines of:
> decutil.exe [mail_account][action][data], or for example
> decutil.exe [EMAIL PROTECTED] whitelist [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Although *we* would probably not get the added option for manipulating the
spam control, this would let us integrated it in our system quite easily. We
are a school (post highschool and bachelors university) and have all our
student info in a MS SQL database. However we decided to use the IMail
database for all the e-mail box info so we use the commandline tool to
create / change / delete new e-mail boxes. A similar tool would let us
manipulate the spam controll.

However, as a school I would simply enforce the spam control and too bad
some legitimate mail gets caught. I will have a look at those mails once or
twice a week and forward them if they seem legit. For THAT I would like a
simple to use tool, either a small web interface or a gui tool to quickly
look at those mails and hit a forward or a delete key.


Groetjes,

Bonno Bloksma
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: MS update

[Frederick Samarelli]

A Hotfix to the IMail software is available from
http://ipswitch.com/Support/IMail/patch-upgrades.html that will correct the
display issue.

- Original Message -
From: "John Tolmachoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:54 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: MS update


> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];328310
>
> John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA
> IT Manager, Network Engineer
> RelianceSoft, Inc.
> Fullerton, CA  92835
> www.reliancesoft.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:33 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: MS update
>
> Not me but then again, I'm running 7.13 (or whatever the latest version
> is).
> This seems to be more of a screen paint issue than anything else. I
> can't even find MSKB article Q328310 so I'm not sure what it is.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Michael
> Lauritzen
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:35 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: MS update
>
>
> Has anyone else seen this?
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott MacLean
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 11:26 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: MS update
>
>
> Slightly off this topic, but I just learned the hard way that if you
> have intentions of continuing to use the server-based IMail 6
> administration program, do NOT install Microsoft update Q328310. You'll
> get something like this as a result:
>
> http://www.nerosoft.com/Test/IMail.gif
>
> At 11:09 AM 12/17/2002, Craig Gittens wrote:
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] An optional web interface for Declude JunkMail?

[Tony Gray - Network Administrator]

>That's already there -- the configuration files are plain text files, and
>can be accessed with ASP, PHP, proprietary interface, etc.  :)
>
>I'm not sure if the advantages of an API (not having to deal with the text
>files directly) would outweigh the disadvantages (less flexibility).
>-Scott

Maybe a simple answer to this problem would be a seperate exe
(decutil.exe(?)) that you could call via the command line (or
perl/php/etc/etc) to edit the config files.  Something that worked along the
lines of:
decutil.exe [mail_account][action][data], or for example
decutil.exe [EMAIL PROTECTED] whitelist [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This would:
- Allow the ambitious coders to still just manipulate the text files
directly.
- not fatten/clutter/affect the declude.exe file
- give a common interface that would not change as often - so that changes
to file structure of the text config files would not require major rewriting
of the web/email/whatever end user app. If major changes happened to
declude.exe, a new version of decutil.exe follows with it.
- allow admins to use any facility they wanted - IIS/PHP/Program
Alias/Perl/Whatever they want.

If we had at least that, I think there are several of us who could quickly
put the rest together.  It takes the most time consuming part of the
coding - manipulating text files, file locking issues, etc. out of the
equation of putting something together.

My $0.03 :-),
- Tony Gray
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Email failed Spamheaders

[Karl Hentschel]

You are correct that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not a valid email address because
I changed it for privacy reasons. At any rate I didn't change the spacing
from the original header so the problem remains the same. We do have a
webpage that has our email addresses on it but this just launches the
default e-mail client on the users side. I would be curious to find out what
email client he was using.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Email failed Spamheaders



>I looked up the failed code for spamheaders and it said it failed because
of
>a bad from header.

The problem is with this header:

>From: " bob "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The issue is that there is no space or tab between the second quotation
mark and the "<".  Although a very thorough reading of the RFCs would show
that this is technically valid, it violates the principle of the RFCs, and
was most likely coded by someone who didn't read the RFCs.  This is common
in spam, but we haven't seen any legitimate mail clients that do this (I'm
guessing this E-mail was sent from a web page or something similar -- I
would also wager that "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is not a valid Earthlink address).
  -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Email failed Spamheaders

[R. Scott Perry]

I looked up the failed code for spamheaders and it said it failed because of
a bad from header.


The problem is with this header:


From: " bob "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


The issue is that there is no space or tab between the second quotation 
mark and the "<".  Although a very thorough reading of the RFCs would show 
that this is technically valid, it violates the principle of the RFCs, and 
was most likely coded by someone who didn't read the RFCs.  This is common 
in spam, but we haven't seen any legitimate mail clients that do this (I'm 
guessing this E-mail was sent from a web page or something similar -- I 
would also wager that "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is not a valid Earthlink address).
 -Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] An optional web interface for DecludeJunkMail?

[R. Scott Perry]

Being that it is obviously a Windows application, would it not make more 
sense to simply publish a configuration API (object), and let the users 
decide what sort of interface they want to use to connect to it?

That's already there -- the configuration files are plain text files, and 
can be accessed with ASP, PHP, proprietary interface, etc.  :)

I'm not sure if the advantages of an API (not having to deal with the text 
files directly) would outweigh the disadvantages (less flexibility).
   -Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] Email failed Spamheaders

[Karl Hentschel]

I looked up the failed code for spamheaders and it said it failed because of
a bad from header. I looked at the header and the from header was
nobody@localhost. I am guessing that this is why it failed, but my question
is where did this from field come from? We receive other mail from this same
domain and it doesn't fail the spamheaders test, so it must be on the client
side? Where would somebody change the setting to report this invalid header?
I included the header below. Thanks.

from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue Dec 17 11:32:31 2002
Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12] by
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  (SMTPD32-7.11) id ABCB28C00FA; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:32:27 -0800
Received: from gonzo.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.242]
helo=gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net)
by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1)
id 18ONOb-0002g5-00
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:28:49 -0800
Received: (from nobody@localhost)
by gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id gBHJSmX12412
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:28:48 -0800 (PST)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:28:48 -0800
From: " bob "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Home Equity
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Originating-IP: 64.113.1.81
X-RBL-Warning: NOPOSTMASTER: Not supporting postmaster@domain
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [207.217.120.12]
X-Declude-Spoolname: D7bcb028c00fac67d.SMD
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for
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X-Spam-Tests-Failed: NOPOSTMASTER, SPAMHEADERS
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] An optional web interface for DecludeJunkMail?

[Scott MacLean]

Being that it is obviously a Windows application, would it
not make more sense to simply publish a configuration API (object), and
let the users decide what sort of interface they want to use to connect
to it?
At 08:43 AM 12/18/2002, R. Scott Perry wrote:
In
response to additional info and questions please see below. When
could we anticipate an ETA?
It's too early for an ETA, sorry.
***Regarding end user spam control
via e-mail subscribe method. This
would be a nice option, but I would prefer Web interface for our
customers and ability to modify that page with instructions,
graphics,
support info, etc. I know a lot of pros, cons, opinions here from
others, but I am customer driven. How about the option of both
methods?
Both methods may be a possibility.  However, the web interface would
take priority, unless it seemed that the E-mail option would be useful to
a lot of people.
   
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Virus Name.: [Conflicting EncodingVulnerability]

[R. Scott Perry]

Valid emails are being caught by Declude Virus:

Virus Name.: [Conflicting Encoding Vulnerability]

This seems to happen when someone forwards a good html formatted email.

It's a big issue here because we send out html formatted invoices via
email and they're ending up in the virus directory when people forward
them to whoever pays the bill :(


Are you running v1.65?  If not, you should upgrade to it.

If you are, could you send me one of the D*.SMD files from one that is 
caught, so I can make sure that it does indeed contain the vulnerability?
  -Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] Virus Name.: [Conflicting Encoding Vulnerability]

[Paul Fuhrmeister]

Valid emails are being caught by Declude Virus:

Virus Name.: [Conflicting Encoding Vulnerability]

This seems to happen when someone forwards a good html formatted email.

It's a big issue here because we send out html formatted invoices via
email and they're ending up in the virus directory when people forward
them to whoever pays the bill :(

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] An optional web interface for DecludeJunkMail?

[R. Scott Perry]

How are subscribers going to log into a web interface? Won't they need a
password of some type to verify they are who they say they are? Will they
need another password or will they be able to use their IMail password and
Declude would tap into the IMail database to verify the password?


They would need to log in, but with the same username/password as they 
already use with IMail.
   -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] An optional web interface for DecludeJunkMail?

[Helpdesk]

on 12/18/02 8:43 AM, R. Scott Perry wrote:

> Both methods may be a possibility.  However, the web interface would take
> priority, unless it seemed that the E-mail option would be useful to a lot
> of people.

How are subscribers going to log into a web interface? Won't they need a
password of some type to verify they are who they say they are? Will they
need another password or will they be able to use their IMail password and
Declude would tap into the IMail database to verify the password?

Later,
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] All my list e-mail is marked as [SPAM]

[R. Scott Perry]

Actually, it looks like there may be a hiccup occurring with the primary
mail server.

ERROR: I could not connect to one or more of your mailservers:
mail.declude.com: Timed out


Actually, I can guarantee that mail.declude.com was up at least a few 
seconds before the E-mail was received, since it was received from 
mail.declude.com.  
-Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] All my list e-mail is marked as [SPAM]

[R. Scott Perry]

I just think this is funny - I increased helobogus, mailfrom and revdns to 
a weight of 7 and I have a message subject marked as [SPAM] when it hits a 
weight of 20...
guess I should lower two of them Any suggestions?  Maybe I'll lower 
REVDNS by 2.


-RBL-Warning: HELOBOGUS: Domain declude.com has no MX or A records.
X-RBL-Warning: MAILFROM: Domain declude.com has no MX or A records.
X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 66.189.58.123 
with no reverse DNS entry.

Ouch -- this sounds like a SERIOUS DNS problem.  Unless there was a problem 
with our DNS hosting (which is highly unlikely, since our standard DNS and 
reverse DNS are handled separately), your DNS server is returning bogus 
responses.  If it receives no response (if your Internet connection is out, 
for example), it should not respond -- but if you see those warnings, it 
means that your DNS server *is* responding, and saying "Those DNS records 
do not exist" (when in fact it does not know if they exist or not).

Sender: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-RBL-Warning: HELOBOGUS: Domain list.ipswitch.com has no MX or A records.
X-RBL-Warning: MAILFROM: Domain list.ipswitch.com has no MX or A records.
X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 156.21.1.21 
with no reverse DNS entry.
X-Declude-Sender: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[156.21.1.21]
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail 
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X-Spam-Tests-Failed: HELOBOGUS, MAILFROM, REVDNS, WEIGHT10, WEIGHT20,

This, too, would confirm that there is a serious DNS problem.

What you should do is check the IMail SMTP DNS setting and make sure that 
the first DNS server listed there is working properly.
 -Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] An optional web interface for DecludeJunkMail?

[R. Scott Perry]

In response to additional info and questions please see below. When
could we anticipate an ETA?


It's too early for an ETA, sorry.


***Regarding end user spam control via e-mail subscribe method. This
would be a nice option, but I would prefer Web interface for our
customers and ability to modify that page with instructions, graphics,
support info, etc. I know a lot of pros, cons, opinions here from
others, but I am customer driven. How about the option of both methods?


Both methods may be a possibility.  However, the web interface would take 
priority, unless it seemed that the E-mail option would be useful to a lot 
of people.
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] An optional web interface for Declude JunkMail?

[Don Schreiner]

Scott,

In response to additional info and questions please see below. When
could we anticipate an ETA?

 Is this something that others would find useful?  It
definitely would be 
easier for us to implement.

***Regarding end user spam control via e-mail subscribe method. This
would be a nice option, but I would prefer Web interface for our
customers and ability to modify that page with instructions, graphics,
support info, etc. I know a lot of pros, cons, opinions here from
others, but I am customer driven. How about the option of both methods?

 First, if we do this, it would initially be for the per-user
settings, with 
two options:  either a "Basic" configuration that would let people
choose 
between several options (such as "No spam control", "Conservative spam 
control", "Aggressive spam control"), or an "Advanced" configuration
that 
would let people fine-tune their settings (such as using specific spam 
tests, and whitelisting/blacklisting).  Later, we would probably add a
way 
to access held E-mail, and possibly per-domain and global settings.

***This would be great for us and our customers!

 What we would most likely not do is use a database..., use
IIS, or any special technologies (such as dot NET, ASP, CF, etc.)...

***This also would be good for us even though we are a CF/SQL shop. We
run IIS anyway on our mail servers to redirect older mail clients.

-Don S.

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Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] An optional web interface for Declude JunkMail?

[Bonno Bloksma]

Hi,

> > Many  people, including me, have asked IpSwitch to do something like
> > this.  Also  because  declude  does  NOT  get  called when e-mail in
> > entered  using  the  web interface.
>
> I  have  Declude  scanning all mail using an undocumented technique. I
> will post it, if you promise not to ask Scott directly (seriously).

Please pretty please. I have had one virus infetion on our PCs allready
because one test was distributed by e-mail to all teachers containing a
virus. It took me a while it was not caught by Declude because the e-mail
was entered via the web interface and not via a normail mailclient. :-(
I am very glad I have insisted in installing a virusscanner on all clients
eventhough the mailserver and most other servers are allready protected.
Nothing should have come through but..

> > IpSwitch  will simply not include this because it would cost them in
> > their virus version sales. :-(
>
> I  believe  it was actually a simple oversight on their part in IMAIL1
> that  hurts  them  as well, and I have faith that they will fix it the
> next time they work on that module. :)

Let's hope so. Simply having Declude scann all mail for virusses, and pretty
soon probably for spam as well, is simplicity itself and is pretty much an
"install and forget" issue. Only once in a while do I check the logs
and. see that Declude is still doing it's work. :-)

Groetjes,

Bonno Bloksma
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: MS update

[David Lewis-Waller]

It happend to us on our 7.13 installation, we had to uninstall the
update to get the IMail interface back to something usable. Not clever.

IMail have confirmed to me that this is a problem and suggested the
removal of Q328310, whether this is a problem with IMail or MS I know
not - no other apps seems affected.

Q328310 overcomes a flaw in wm_timer message handling.

David
WiSS Limited

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Smith
Sent: 17 December 2002 23:33
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: MS update


Not me but then again, I'm running 7.13 (or whatever the latest version
is). This seems to be more of a screen paint issue than anything else. I
can't even find MSKB article Q328310 so I'm not sure what it is.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Michael
Lauritzen
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: MS update


Has anyone else seen this?
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott MacLean
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 11:26 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: MS update


Slightly off this topic, but I just learned the hard way that if you
have intentions of continuing to use the server-based IMail 6
administration program, do NOT install Microsoft update Q328310. You'll
get something like this as a result:

http://www.nerosoft.com/Test/IMail.gif

At 11:09 AM 12/17/2002, Craig Gittens wrote:

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