RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hijack Not Working ?

2003-03-27 Thread Brian Cunningham
I've made the changes, but did not make the registry change.

I'll let you guys know what happens.

In regards to the web messaging possible trap, Do I really need to up
the limits for hijack? 

It's always been my understanding that web messaging shouldn't send out
as much email as frequently than an email client (Outlook, etc.)

Thoughts?

Thanks.

b

-Original Message-
From: John Tolmachoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hijack Not Working ?
Importance: High


Wait, the DAISYCHAIN option has a big effect on any one hosting lots of
users using Web Mail.

Anyone thinking about this needs to consider the following:

If you have 1000 users using web mail, it is very likely that just
normal usage of those users will trigger the hold values.

If you are going to do this, you will have to adjust the values upwards
significantly so as not to trap normal usage.

Correct, or am I off my rocker?

John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
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RE: SPAMCOP:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-27 Thread Brian Cunningham
I've made the changes below, but the SMTP service on Imail wouldn't
start back up.

b

-Original Message-
From: Sanford Whiteman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 2:06 AM
To: Brian Cunningham
Subject: Re: SPAMCOP:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?


 I made these changes and restarted services.

 But then I stopped receiving emails.

Try  implementing  the  DAISYCHAIN  function  as  follows:

(a) COPY SMTP32.EXE to SMTP32.EXB (this step just for backup)

(b) RENAME SMTP32.EXE to IPSMTP32.EXE

(c) COPY DECLUDE.EXE to SMTP32.EXE

(d) Add the DAISYCHAIN directive as described earlier

In  other  words,  do  *not*  make  the  Registry  change,  nor rename
DECLUDE.EXE.  I  do  not believe these steps were part of the standard
procedure  (and  I was the person who originally suggested DAISYCHAIN,
so I do have lots of experience implementing it).

-Sandy



Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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RE: SPAMCOP:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-27 Thread Brian Cunningham
Should I be using the SMTP32.exe or the SMTPd32.exe for this process?

Thanks.

b

-Original Message-
From: Sanford Whiteman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 2:06 AM
To: Brian Cunningham
Subject: Re: SPAMCOP:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?


 I made these changes and restarted services.

 But then I stopped receiving emails.

Try  implementing  the  DAISYCHAIN  function  as  follows:

(a) COPY SMTP32.EXE to SMTP32.EXB (this step just for backup)

(b) RENAME SMTP32.EXE to IPSMTP32.EXE

(c) COPY DECLUDE.EXE to SMTP32.EXE

(d) Add the DAISYCHAIN directive as described earlier

In  other  words,  do  *not*  make  the  Registry  change,  nor rename
DECLUDE.EXE.  I  do  not believe these steps were part of the standard
procedure  (and  I was the person who originally suggested DAISYCHAIN,
so I do have lots of experience implementing it).

-Sandy



Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-27 Thread Brian Cunningham
Really dumb questions?

Is the syntax of renamed files case sensitive?

Does the Daisychain call go within the hijack.cfg file or another config
file?

Does the Daisychain call need quotes or simply just a call out?

Sorry for the dumb questions, but these spammers keep creating new
accounts (found another one this morning).  We're killing their IP's,
but they keep coming in from other systems.

I would be awesome if I could get hijack to work with web messaging.

Sandy, do you have this config working on your Imail system?  If so,
what version of Imail are you running?

Thanks again.

b

-Original Message-
From: Sanford Whiteman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 2:06 AM
To: Brian Cunningham
Subject: Re: SPAMCOP:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?


 I made these changes and restarted services.

 But then I stopped receiving emails.

Try  implementing  the  DAISYCHAIN  function  as  follows:

(a) COPY SMTP32.EXE to SMTP32.EXB (this step just for backup)

(b) RENAME SMTP32.EXE to IPSMTP32.EXE

(c) COPY DECLUDE.EXE to SMTP32.EXE

(d) Add the DAISYCHAIN directive as described earlier

In  other  words,  do  *not*  make  the  Registry  change,  nor rename
DECLUDE.EXE.  I  do  not believe these steps were part of the standard
procedure  (and  I was the person who originally suggested DAISYCHAIN,
so I do have lots of experience implementing it).

-Sandy



Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hijack Not Working ?

2003-03-27 Thread Brian Cunningham
I gotcha.

That could be a problem.

We do have about 5000 + web mail users.

Could this explain why when I make the changes email stops being
delivered?

I've checked the hold(s) and there is nothing being held, but maybe the
processing is delaying delivery?

b

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From: John Tolmachoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 11:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hijack Not Working ?


 In regards to the web messaging possible trap, Do I really need to up 
 the limits for hijack?
 
 It's always been my understanding that web messaging shouldn't send 
 out as much email as frequently than an email client (Outlook, etc.)

It depends on how many Web Mail users you have.

If you are an ISP with 5000 Web Mail users, it is quite possible for 100
of those to send 1 message each with a 30 minute time period, there by
tripping hold 2 and effectively black listing the server IP address.

John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
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SPAMCOP:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-27 Thread Brian Cunningham
Gotcha.

I've been using SMTP32.exe (not the daemon).

I just wanted to check because every time I make the change it stops delivery (even 
after I roll the SMTP service within Imail, which does start up successfully).

b

-- Original Message --
From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date:  Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:32:39 -0500


Should I be using the SMTP32.exe or the SMTPd32.exe for this process?

It *must* be SMTP32.exe (SMTPd32.exe is the SMTP Daemon, the service 
which accepts incoming E-mail, as opposed to the process that delivers the 
E-mail).
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-26 Thread Brian Cunningham
I've checked, and the Hijack is registered.

The config is set to:

RELAYTHRESHOLD1 10  20
RELAYTHRESHOLD2 30  60

And the log files have not held anything today.  Everything went through
as OK with juat a couple not local users.

But I see that [EMAIL PROTECTED] now has about 300 outgoing spam messages
in the queue.

Help!

Thanks.

b

-Original Message-
From: R. Scott Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 5:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?



We've got a locked down public Imail server where anyone can register 
for
a free email, but all users have to authenticate before relaying mail.

We've also got Declude with HiJack in order to stop spammers from using
our system

But somehow we've got registered users sending hundreds of messages
through us and bypassing HiJack.

Why isn't the email being trapped by HiJack?

The first thing to do is make sure that Declude Hijack is running (you
can 
type \IMail\Declude -diag, *without* making any changes, and you
should 
see a line Declude Hijack Status: Registered).

Next, you would want to check your \IMail\Declude\hijack.cfg file to
make 
sure that the settings are reasonable (the default settings are 
RELAYTHRESHOLD1  10  20 and RELAYTHRESHOLD230
80, 
which allow up to 80 E-mails to be sent within 30 minutes).

Finally, you would check the Declude Hijack log file to see what it says

about the E-mails.
-Scott

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SPAMCOP:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-26 Thread Brian Cunningham
Thanks Scott.

I've emailed you the file.

We do have a few ALLOWIP's, but I they are for IP's we own.

I checked the W log files and it looks like they are coming in through web messaging 
(god knows how they are sending that much email through web messaging) under several 
IP's ranging from Nigeria to Israel.  I blocked those IP's within Imail Control 
Access.

How can I make Hijack work with webmessaging?

b

-- Original Message --
From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:10:23 -0500


And the log files have not held anything today.  Everything went through
as OK with juat a couple not local users.

Note that Declude Hijack allows unlimited E-mail to local users, and 
doesn't count that towards a user's quota.

But I see that [EMAIL PROTECTED] now has about 300 outgoing spam messages
in the queue.

Do you have any ALLOWIP lines in your hijack.cfg file?

Is the user sending these E-mails via SMTP, or web messaging (which would 
not be scanned by default)?

Could you E-mail me the log file (off-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED])?
   -Scott

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SPAMCOP:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-26 Thread Brian Cunningham
I've got you up until the DAISYCHAIN ipsmtp.exe point.

Do you want me to rename the two files and then add the daisychain line above to the 
config file of hijack?

Thanks.

b

-- Original Message --
From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:19:28 -0500


I checked the W log files and it looks like they are coming in through web 
messaging (god knows how they are sending that much email through web 
messaging) under several IP's ranging from Nigeria to Israel.  I blocked 
those IP's within Imail Control Access.

Ah, that explains what is going on.  That's the first time I've seen 
serious spammers try to send E-mail through web messaging.

How can I make Hijack work with webmessaging?

It is possible to do this, by having the declude.exe file act as the 
smtp32.exe file, so that Declude can intercept the web messaging E-mail.

This is done by renaming the smtp32.exe file to ipsmtp.exe, renaming the 
declude.exe file to smtp32.exe, using a DAISYCHAIN ipsmtp.exe line in the 
hijack.cfg file.

Then, you need to use regedit to change the 
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Ipswitch\IMail\Global\SendName value to point 
to smtp32.exe instead of declude.com, and finally stop/restart the IMail 
SMTP service so that IMail will recognize the change
 -Scott

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SPAMCOP:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-26 Thread Brian Cunningham
Will renaming declude.exe to smtp32.exe cause problems with junkmail or virus?

Do I need to rename or make a copy of declude.exe as renamed?

b

-- Original Message --
From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:19:28 -0500


I checked the W log files and it looks like they are coming in through web 
messaging (god knows how they are sending that much email through web 
messaging) under several IP's ranging from Nigeria to Israel.  I blocked 
those IP's within Imail Control Access.

Ah, that explains what is going on.  That's the first time I've seen 
serious spammers try to send E-mail through web messaging.

How can I make Hijack work with webmessaging?

It is possible to do this, by having the declude.exe file act as the 
smtp32.exe file, so that Declude can intercept the web messaging E-mail.

This is done by renaming the smtp32.exe file to ipsmtp.exe, renaming the 
declude.exe file to smtp32.exe, using a DAISYCHAIN ipsmtp.exe line in the 
hijack.cfg file.

Then, you need to use regedit to change the 
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Ipswitch\IMail\Global\SendName value to point 
to smtp32.exe instead of declude.com, and finally stop/restart the IMail 
SMTP service so that IMail will recognize the change
 -Scott

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SPAMCOP:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-26 Thread Brian Cunningham
Scott,

I made these changes and restarted services.

But then I stopped receiving emails.

When I reverted back, I'm now receiving emails again.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.

b

-- Original Message --
From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:19:28 -0500


I checked the W log files and it looks like they are coming in through web 
messaging (god knows how they are sending that much email through web 
messaging) under several IP's ranging from Nigeria to Israel.  I blocked 
those IP's within Imail Control Access.

Ah, that explains what is going on.  That's the first time I've seen 
serious spammers try to send E-mail through web messaging.

How can I make Hijack work with webmessaging?

It is possible to do this, by having the declude.exe file act as the 
smtp32.exe file, so that Declude can intercept the web messaging E-mail.

This is done by renaming the smtp32.exe file to ipsmtp.exe, renaming the 
declude.exe file to smtp32.exe, using a DAISYCHAIN ipsmtp.exe line in the 
hijack.cfg file.

Then, you need to use regedit to change the 
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Ipswitch\IMail\Global\SendName value to point 
to smtp32.exe instead of declude.com, and finally stop/restart the IMail 
SMTP service so that IMail will recognize the change
 -Scott

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Re: SPAMCOP:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-26 Thread Brian Cunningham
The reverse dns is because of a nat'ing scheme we have behind two firewalls and a load 
director (posts in the past have already described our config).

The freaking SpamCop is because I apparently have Spammers sending an incredible 
amount of spam through our web messaging (i.e. bypassing hijack and why I'm posting it 
as an issue).  How is that even possible?

b



-- Original Message --
From: Eje Gustafsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:27:20 -0600

Not besides that your listed yourself in spamcop and that you need to
take a look at the logs to see what's in them and/or show them to us
so we can see what is failing.

I see a couple of things right of.
1) no reverse DNS for 208.253.112.168 which is your sending ip for you
mailserver.
2) your subnet is listed with numerous spam lists.
DELINK, SPAMCOP, XBL, HEUR1, REVDNS, SPAMCHK, IPNOTINMX, Reverse-IP

- Eje

Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 9:15:11 PM, you wrote:

BC Scott,

BC I made these changes and restarted services.

BC But then I stopped receiving emails.

BC When I reverted back, I'm now receiving emails again.

BC Any thoughts?

BC Thanks.

BC b

BC -- Original Message --
BC From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BC Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BC Date:  Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:19:28 -0500


I checked the W log files and it looks like they are coming in through web 
messaging (god knows how they are sending that much email through web 
messaging) under several IP's ranging from Nigeria to Israel.  I blocked 
those IP's within Imail Control Access.

Ah, that explains what is going on.  That's the first time I've seen 
serious spammers try to send E-mail through web messaging.

How can I make Hijack work with webmessaging?

It is possible to do this, by having the declude.exe file act as the 
smtp32.exe file, so that Declude can intercept the web messaging E-mail.

This is done by renaming the smtp32.exe file to ipsmtp.exe, renaming the 
declude.exe file to smtp32.exe, using a DAISYCHAIN ipsmtp.exe line in the 
hijack.cfg file.

Then, you need to use regedit to change the 
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Ipswitch\IMail\Global\SendName value to point 
to smtp32.exe instead of declude.com, and finally stop/restart the IMail 
SMTP service so that IMail will recognize the change
 -Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] How did this Spammer get through?

2003-03-12 Thread Brian Cunningham
I've got several held emails from a spammer trying to use our system for
relay.

I've got the box locked down to only accept relay from authenticated
users, but somehow this guy got through.

Luckily, I've got hijack on the box, which has blocked all of his
emails.

Here's an example of the email he's trying to relay through:

Received: from 208.253.112.160 [169.207.38.237] by richmond.com
  (SMTPD32-7.07) id A450F9200BE; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:35:44 -0500
Received: from 0e.ygr0.net ([143.95.123.108]) by 208.253.112.160 with
SMTP; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:30:43 -0100
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Mervin Crow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: re: Increase Your Gas Mileage by up to 27% ohvs eex
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 03 22:30:43 GMT
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.52f) Business
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary=15978B3_057.85AE_.850_

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

--15978B3_057.85AE_.850_
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

htmlbodyPaul athwartship,a href=3Dhttp://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
averpro.com
img src=3Dhttp://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/the.jpg width=3D536=
 height=3D505
/asalute beacon stumpweapon gapbr%RA=
NDOM_WORDhum implantation party dish/body/html
--15978B3_057.85AE_.850_--


How is he successfully getting through?

Also, how can I block him from coming through again?

Thanks.

Brian













-Original Message-
From: R. Scott Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 6:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HELO contains



SOO..  My question is this.. Could I create a wordfilter rule that goes

like HELO 10 CONTAINS imail.fament.com
or will that shoot myself in the foot for some reason ?

That will work fine, just so long as you don't have any other
mailservers 
that identify themselves as imail.fament.com.  If your IMail server is

the only one that does, the filter will work fine.

If it really is the HELO string then I don't see this as a problem 
since my understanding is that my mail server do NOT connect to itself 
and should then never send the helo imail.fament.com to itself ?!

Correct.  There might be odd cases where the IMail server would connect
to 
itself, but if that happens, you've got another problem on your hands
(as 
it would cause a mail loop).
 -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] How did this Spammer get through?

2003-03-12 Thread Brian Cunningham
Here you go:

03:12 18:35 SMTPD(0F9200BE) [169.207.38.237] HELO 208.253.112.160
03:12 18:35 SMTPD(0F9200BE) [169.207.38.237] MAIL FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
03:12 18:35 SMTPD(0F9200BE) [169.207.38.237] RCPT TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
03:12 18:35 SMTPD(0F9200BE) [169.207.38.237] RCPT TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
03:12 18:35 SMTPD(0F9200BE) [169.207.38.237] ERR richmond.com invalid user [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
03:12 18:35 SMTPD(0F9200BE) [169.207.38.237] RCPT TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
03:12 18:35 SMTPD(0F9200BE) [169.207.38.237] ERR richmond.com invalid user [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
03:12 18:35 SMTPD(0F9200BE) [169.207.38.237] d:\IMail\spool\Dc4500f9200bec554.SMD 1114

So is he authenticating as a real user?

b



-- Original Message --
From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:11:04 -0500


Here's an example of the email he's trying to relay through:

The key information isn't in the headers in this case -- it's in the IMail 
SMTP log file.  Most importantly are the RCPT TO: lines, which will show 
who the E-mail was actually addressed to, and whether or not some hack was 
used to relay the E-mail.  If you post the IMail SMTP log file entries, I 
should be able to let you know what is going on.
  -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] How did this Spammer get through?

2003-03-12 Thread Brian Cunningham
What's strange is that the only thing consistent around all of the spam emails is the 
IP address 169.207.38.237, which is listed with SpamCop.

Should declude pick that up?  I've got spamcop listed as an automatic hold, but 
somehow he keeps getting through.

Thanks.

b


-- Original Message --
From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:11:04 -0500


Here's an example of the email he's trying to relay through:

The key information isn't in the headers in this case -- it's in the IMail 
SMTP log file.  Most importantly are the RCPT TO: lines, which will show 
who the E-mail was actually addressed to, and whether or not some hack was 
used to relay the E-mail.  If you post the IMail SMTP log file entries, I 
should be able to let you know what is going on.
  -Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail]

2002-11-26 Thread Brian Cunningham

winmail.dat

[Declude.JunkMail] BlackList Limit ?

2002-11-21 Thread Brian Cunningham
Is there a limit on the number of addresses that I can blacklist within
a FROMFILE?

Thanks.

b
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