RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting email address

2006-01-18 Thread Jeff Cochran



Casselberry? Hello from Naples. 
:)

Same issue, I'm the email admin for the City of 
Naples. We used to tweak filters continuously because of this. 
Routinely get questioned about why a message didn't get through and why so much 
spam gets through. We've gone to a defense in depth on this. Signed 
up with Postini for first level SPAM/Virus, and it gave us two benefits. 
The first is it dropped the load on our server by 85% or so eliminating 99% of 
the blatant spam and most viruses. It also gives the user an opportunity 
to view and manage their own quarrantined files. We use Declude to further 
tweak the incoming mail, and add a second virus scanning point. We 
primarily do two things, one is add a subject indicating possible spam, the 
other is using black lists for specific addresses. The spam header can be 
sorted in Outlook on the client side to further separate the spam but still 
allow the user to review the messages if they wish.

Of course the last thing we did was assign the City 
Manager's admin the task of reviewing his mail, plus my boss, the Director of 
Technology Services, checks his quarrantine every morning. 
:)

Have we bounced a citizen's mail? Occasionally. 
We apologize and white list their address. Somehow they seem to understand 
if the [EMAIL PROTECTED] spam filters ate their email.

If you want to reach me off-list, work email is "jcochran 
at naplesgov dot com".

Jeff


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of IS - Systems 
Eng. (Karl Drugge)Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:18 
PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: 
[Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting email address



Believe me, Id love to 
find a way to do it, but when I HAVE to receive emails from hideously 
mis-configured servers, whack-job citizens, and other municipalities with less 
then stellar I.T. staff from any where at any time, not bouncing becomes the 
worse of two evils. 

As an example, if I 
DELETE an email from a citizen because it meets my delete criteria ( lets say a 
nut-job, retired, self declared IT samurai with a shareware SMTP server, on a 
dial up account to a local home based ISP run by his best friend ) I can ( and 
have ) been questioned by the City Manager on exactly WHY he didnt get this 
email, because this nut-job shows up to a city council meeting and has a foaming 
at the mouth fit in public. Technical explanations dont cut it in the political 
arena. I have to, at the very least, send something back to notify the 
originator that the email was bounced, unless its so horribly mal-formed, or 
chock full of key words, that it I can absolutely guarantee its spam. 


But, if someone wants 
to take a crack at it, Ill be more than happy to post my config 
files.



Karl Drugge






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Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of MattSent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:28 
PMTo: 
Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 
Whitelisting email address


Karl,Getting 
blacklisted for bouncing spam back to forged addresses would probably be a lot 
worse than missing a stray message that shouldn't have been blocked. This 
certainly can happen, especially if you get a lot of zombie generated 
spam.It is also of course a big pain dealing with servers that bounce 
this stuff back to forged addresses. Today I'm under heavy attack from 
multiple sources of backscatter. Backscatter costs others time, money and 
frustration. It's not fair if it is avoidable. Please reconsider 
your choices. Maybe we can help you figure out a better way to deal with 
this.MattIS - Systems Eng. (Karl Drugge) wrote: 


I hold at 
20, bounce at 40, and delete at 60.


I realize 
bouncing is bad, but were government, so I have to be careful about outright 
deleting email without notifying someone, somewhere.

Karl 
Drugge






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Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of BrianSent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:38 
PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 
Whitelisting email address



What are you using for 
a hold weight and delete weight?



Brian



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From: IS - 
Systems Eng. (Karl Drugge) 

To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com 


Sent: Tuesday, 
January 17, 2006 3:17 PM

Subject: RE: 
[Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting email address



I can 
confirm that.

If a 
single email address is white listed, then all of them get white 
listed.

The 
solution was a line like this : BYPASSWHITELIST 
bypasswhitelist 45 
6 
0 0

If an 
email was over weight 45, AND it also had 6 or more recipients, than it bypassed 
the white-listing and checked it normally.

I never 
tried to do it with individual config files.. But that might work, if it didn't 
affect all the recipients.



Karl 
Drugge






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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of BrianSent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:16 
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[Declude.JunkMail] Declude on iMail acting as Gateway Server?

2005-12-08 Thread Jeff Cochran
 
We're currently running Declude on iMail 8.2 and it's working great.  But we
have a direcive to combine our external and internal mail systems, and I'd
like to use iMail as a gateway for ou Exchange Server, mostly to keep using
Declude.  If I configure iMail as an SMTP gateway, will Declude still run on
the incoming messages or will iMail pass them on before Declude gets
involved?

Thanks,

Jeff

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude on iMail acting as Gateway Server?

2005-12-08 Thread Jeff Cochran
Great, thanks.  I thought I'd seen something on this a while back.  Hate to
test by blowing away my iMail domain...  :)

Jeff 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:29 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude on iMail acting as Gateway Server?

Jeff,

Declude will process them just fine.  I run in this configuration for
customers that have backend exchange boxes where my gateways are
imail/declude.

The key thing in terms of Declude to remember is that you will need a folder
off the declude folder of the domain you are gatewaying for with a
$default$.junkmail file for the domain.  This is all covered in the Declude
manual.

Also, don't forget to do all the necessary steps for imail to act as a
gateway.

If you run into any specific issues post to the list and we will help ya
out.

Darrell

Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude,
mxGuard, ORF, and Imail.  IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI
integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers.

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From: Jeff Cochran [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:18 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude on iMail acting as Gateway Server?



 We're currently running Declude on iMail 8.2 and it's working great.  But 
 we
 have a direcive to combine our external and internal mail systems, and I'd
 like to use iMail as a gateway for ou Exchange Server, mostly to keep 
 using
 Declude.  If I configure iMail as an SMTP gateway, will Declude still run 
 on
 the incoming messages or will iMail pass them on before Declude gets
 involved?

 Thanks,

 Jeff

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Report System

2003-08-01 Thread Jeff Cochran
Oh heck...

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Me Too!
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Thanks,

Jeff

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If you would like to try it out let me know and I will make it available..


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