RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test?
Unfortunately this leads to a high false positive rate. (We tried it and pulled it.) _M | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of | Joshua Levitsky | Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 2:11 PM | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test? | | | What about a JavaScript test? There's something that should | not be in non-spam email. Or an ActiveX control detection. | Both of these are big clues that it is spam. | | -Josh | | -- | Joshua Levitsky, MCSE, CISSP, EMTD | Desktop Systems Engineer | AOL Time Warner | | | - Original Message - | From: "Mark Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:39 AM | Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test? | | | > Not to mention that all iMail Web mail is HTML. :) | > | > > -Original Message- | > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott | > > Perry | > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:34 AM | > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test? | > > | > > | > > | > > >I'm currently implementing Junkmail. | > > >My question: Is there a test if the mail is in HTML or in | > > TEXT-Format? | > > > | > > >When I check the spam-mails recieved in the past days over | > > 90% of this | > > >mails are HTML-formated. So I think HTML-formated mails | > > should recieve | > > >2-3 points in the weighting system. | > > > | > > >Any suggestions, arguments, info's...? | > > | > > The problem with this is that most personal E-mail is | sent in HTML | > > (you can give a BIG thanks to Microsoft for that one). I believe | > > that the default | > > settings in Outlook will send both text and HTML, even if | there is no | > > difference between the text and HTML segments (so even though | > > the E-mail | > > appears to be a plain text E-mail, it has an HTML copy of it). | > >-Scott | > > | > > --- | > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus | > > (http://www.declude.com)] | > > | > > --- | > > | > > This E-mail came from the | > > Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send | an E-mail | > > to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe | Declude.JunkMail". | > > You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You | can visit | > > our web site at http://www.declude.com . | > > | > | > --- | > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus | (http://www.declude.com)] | > | > --- | > | > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To | > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type | > "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com > . > --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
Re: AW: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test?
>Scott: we are thinking also to not only search for tipical spam-content
>but also for tipical non-spam-content and give them a negative weight as
>you mentioned in a posting yesterday. But we are not sure if there are
>any restrictions/rules that we should respect with the
>junkmail-weighting-system.
Declude JunkMail does have negative weighting -- both actual negative
weights (for example, you could have E-mail failing the MAILFROM test have
a weight of -5, although that isn't a good example), and "passing" weights
(for example, you could have it so that all E-mail that is NOT listed in a
custom blacklist file could have a weight of 5).
You could use this with the upcoming system in 1.55 where the external
program can return a weight, by setting the default weight to -10
('TESTNAME external weight "C:\IMail\Declude\program.exe" -10 0'), and then
adding 10 to whatever weight you would otherwise return (if you were going
to return a weight of 5, you would return 15). That way, you could have
the program return negative weights up to -10.
-Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test?
>What about a JavaScript test? There's something that should not be in >non-spam email. Or an ActiveX control detection. Both of these are big clues >that it is spam. This is something that we are considering testing for (along with base64 encoding of text or HTML segments, which is normally only used to try to bypass content-based scanning). Declude Virus Pro already looks for some of that, in determining whether or not HTML code may be dangerous. So it may not be too difficult to implement. -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
AW: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test?
We are currently brainstorming if it makes sense to develope a external test-file, that checks subject and body about tipical spam-content: At the moment we plan to implement the following tests: - FORMAT: TEXT or HTML - KEYWORD: Keywords like s*x, po*n, ca*h, fre*, ince*t, photos, tou*, ho*, movi*s, cli*k here, abu*e, remo*e,...) - SENDER: sender email is nummeric or ends with min. 2 digits - LINKCOUNT: a couple of links within mails - LINKPARAM: are there links with GET-Parameters (ex: url.asp?id=123456) - LINKIMGSRC: are there IMG-Tags with sources to scripts (ex: Most of this tests will have a reasonable value of 1-3 in the weighting system. Are there any comments about this test, or suggestions to other tests? Scott: we are thinking also to not only search for tipical spam-content but also for tipical non-spam-content and give them a negative weight as you mentioned in a posting yesterday. But we are not sure if there are any restrictions/rules that we should respect with the junkmail-weighting-system. Markus > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Im Auftrag von > Joshua Levitsky > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Juni 2002 20:11 > An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Betreff: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test? > > > What about a JavaScript test? There's something that should > not be in non-spam email. Or an ActiveX control detection. > Both of these are big clues that it is spam. > > -Josh > > -- > Joshua Levitsky, MCSE, CISSP, EMTD > Desktop Systems Engineer > AOL Time Warner > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:39 AM > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test? > > > > Not to mention that all iMail Web mail is HTML. :) > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott > > > Perry > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:34 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test? > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm currently implementing Junkmail. > > > >My question: Is there a test if the mail is in HTML or in > > > TEXT-Format? > > > > > > > >When I check the spam-mails recieved in the past days over > > > 90% of this > > > >mails are HTML-formated. So I think HTML-formated mails > > > should recieve > > > >2-3 points in the weighting system. > > > > > > > >Any suggestions, arguments, info's...? > > > > > > The problem with this is that most personal E-mail is > sent in HTML > > > (you can give a BIG thanks to Microsoft for that one). I believe > > > that the default > > > settings in Outlook will send both text and HTML, even if > there is no > > > difference between the text and HTML segments (so even though > > > the E-mail > > > appears to be a plain text E-mail, it has an HTML copy of it). > > >-Scott > > > > > > --- > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus > > > (http://www.declude.com)] > > > > > > --- > > > > > > This E-mail came from the > > > Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send > an E-mail > > > to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe > Declude.JunkMail". > > > You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You > can visit > > > our web site at http://www.declude.com . > > > > > > > --- > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus > (http://www.declude.com)] > > > > --- > > > > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type > > "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com > . > --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test?
What about a JavaScript test? There's something that should not be in non-spam email. Or an ActiveX control detection. Both of these are big clues that it is spam. -Josh -- Joshua Levitsky, MCSE, CISSP, EMTD Desktop Systems Engineer AOL Time Warner - Original Message - From: "Mark Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:39 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test? > Not to mention that all iMail Web mail is HTML. :) > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. > > Scott Perry > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:34 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test? > > > > > > > > >I'm currently implementing Junkmail. > > >My question: Is there a test if the mail is in HTML or in > > TEXT-Format? > > > > > >When I check the spam-mails recieved in the past days over > > 90% of this > > >mails are HTML-formated. So I think HTML-formated mails > > should recieve > > >2-3 points in the weighting system. > > > > > >Any suggestions, arguments, info's...? > > > > The problem with this is that most personal E-mail is sent in > > HTML (you can > > give a BIG thanks to Microsoft for that one). I believe that > > the default > > settings in Outlook will send both text and HTML, even if there is no > > difference between the text and HTML segments (so even though > > the E-mail > > appears to be a plain text E-mail, it has an HTML copy of it). > >-Scott > > > > --- > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus > > (http://www.declude.com)] > > > > --- > > > > This E-mail came from the > > Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an > > E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe > > Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for > > assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . > > > > --- > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] > > --- > > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail > [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web > site at http://www.declude.com . > --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
Re: AW: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test?
>Yes I know that Outlook has standard-settings to write HTML-Mails. But >on the other side a great part of false-positives on my current settings >are server-generated messages (reports, status-notifications ...) and >100% of this mails are in standard Text-format. So HTML-Mails can >collect some points that allone not trigger any action but helps to >raise the recognition-rate. What might be best in this case would be for us to add a test to see if the E-mail was plain text, and if so, to give it a negative weight. That way, the E-mail that was just plain text would end up with a lower weight than E-mail that contained HTML. -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test?
> I'm not sure, but as I know, neither Imail-WebMail-Messages > are HTML-formated You're right... I just tested. I believe that older versions of the iMail Web interface (4.x) formatted them as HTML. I haven't done any tests since then. :) > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gufler Markus > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:48 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: AW: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test? > > > I'm not sure, but as I know, neither Imail-WebMail-Messages > are HTML-formated nor this messages are scanned by declude. > (on the WebMail-Server side) > > Scott: > Yes I know that Outlook has standard-settings to write > HTML-Mails. But on the other side a great part of > false-positives on my current settings are server-generated > messages (reports, status-notifications ...) and 100% of this > mails are in standard Text-format. So HTML-Mails can collect > some points that allone not trigger any action but helps to > raise the recognition-rate. But when you say to me, that this > don't make any sense I will believe it. > > Markus > > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Im Auftrag von > Mark Smith > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Juni 2002 14:39 > > An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Betreff: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test? > > > > > > Not to mention that all iMail Web mail is HTML. :) > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. > > > Scott Perry > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:34 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test? > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm currently implementing Junkmail. > > > >My question: Is there a test if the mail is in HTML or in > > > TEXT-Format? > > > > > > > >When I check the spam-mails recieved in the past days over > > > 90% of this > > > >mails are HTML-formated. So I think HTML-formated mails > > > should recieve > > > >2-3 points in the weighting system. > > > > > > > >Any suggestions, arguments, info's...? > > > > > > The problem with this is that most personal E-mail is > sent in HTML > > > (you can give a BIG thanks to Microsoft for that one). I believe > > > that the default > > > settings in Outlook will send both text and HTML, even if > > there is no > > > difference between the text and HTML segments (so even though > > > the E-mail > > > appears to be a plain text E-mail, it has an HTML copy of it). > > >-Scott > > > > > > --- > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus > > > (http://www.declude.com)] > > > > > > --- > > > > > > This E-mail came from the > > > Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an > > > E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe > > > Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for > > > assistance. You can visit our web site at > http://www.declude.com . > > > > > > > --- > > [This E-mail was > scanned for viruses by Declude Virus > (http://www.declude.com)] > > --- > > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail > [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web > site at http://www.declude.com . > > > --- > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus > (http://www.declude.com)] > > --- > > This E-mail came from the > Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail > [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web > site at http://www.declude.com . > --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
AW: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test?
I'm not sure, but as I know, neither Imail-WebMail-Messages are HTML-formated nor this messages are scanned by declude. (on the WebMail-Server side) Scott: Yes I know that Outlook has standard-settings to write HTML-Mails. But on the other side a great part of false-positives on my current settings are server-generated messages (reports, status-notifications ...) and 100% of this mails are in standard Text-format. So HTML-Mails can collect some points that allone not trigger any action but helps to raise the recognition-rate. But when you say to me, that this don't make any sense I will believe it. Markus > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Im Auftrag von Mark Smith > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Juni 2002 14:39 > An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Betreff: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test? > > > Not to mention that all iMail Web mail is HTML. :) > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. > > Scott Perry > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:34 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test? > > > > > > > > >I'm currently implementing Junkmail. > > >My question: Is there a test if the mail is in HTML or in > > TEXT-Format? > > > > > >When I check the spam-mails recieved in the past days over > > 90% of this > > >mails are HTML-formated. So I think HTML-formated mails > > should recieve > > >2-3 points in the weighting system. > > > > > >Any suggestions, arguments, info's...? > > > > The problem with this is that most personal E-mail is sent in > > HTML (you can > > give a BIG thanks to Microsoft for that one). I believe that > > the default > > settings in Outlook will send both text and HTML, even if > there is no > > difference between the text and HTML segments (so even though > > the E-mail > > appears to be a plain text E-mail, it has an HTML copy of it). > >-Scott > > > > --- > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus > > (http://www.declude.com)] > > > > --- > > > > This E-mail came from the > > Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an > > E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe > > Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for > > assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . > > > > --- > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test?
Not to mention that all iMail Web mail is HTML. :) > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. > Scott Perry > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:34 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test? > > > > >I'm currently implementing Junkmail. > >My question: Is there a test if the mail is in HTML or in > TEXT-Format? > > > >When I check the spam-mails recieved in the past days over > 90% of this > >mails are HTML-formated. So I think HTML-formated mails > should recieve > >2-3 points in the weighting system. > > > >Any suggestions, arguments, info's...? > > The problem with this is that most personal E-mail is sent in > HTML (you can > give a BIG thanks to Microsoft for that one). I believe that > the default > settings in Outlook will send both text and HTML, even if there is no > difference between the text and HTML segments (so even though > the E-mail > appears to be a plain text E-mail, it has an HTML copy of it). >-Scott > > --- > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus > (http://www.declude.com)] > > --- > > This E-mail came from the > Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an > E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe > Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for > assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . > --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test?
>I'm currently implementing Junkmail. >My question: Is there a test if the mail is in HTML or in TEXT-Format? > >When I check the spam-mails recieved in the past days over 90% of this >mails are HTML-formated. So I think HTML-formated mails should recieve >2-3 points in the weighting system. > >Any suggestions, arguments, info's...? The problem with this is that most personal E-mail is sent in HTML (you can give a BIG thanks to Microsoft for that one). I believe that the default settings in Outlook will send both text and HTML, even if there is no difference between the text and HTML segments (so even though the E-mail appears to be a plain text E-mail, it has an HTML copy of it). -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
[Declude.JunkMail] HTML-Test?
Hi, I'm currently implementing Junkmail. My question: Is there a test if the mail is in HTML or in TEXT-Format? When I check the spam-mails recieved in the past days over 90% of this mails are HTML-formated. So I think HTML-formated mails should recieve 2-3 points in the weighting system. Any suggestions, arguments, info's...? Thanks Markus --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
