RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists Recommendations.

2006-11-27 Thread Chuck Schick
Gary:

Thanks a lot for taking the time to put that together.

I am going to check out those sites.  

We do use the multiple tests from NJABL and SORBs.  

Chuck Schick
Warp 8, Inc.
(303)-421-5140
www.warp8.com

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Steiner
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:15 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists Recommendations.


BLITZEDALL went offline in May (see http://opm.blitzed.org).  Other than
that, all the ones you are using I am also using.

Other IP4R tests that I am using successfully that you are not:

ADNSBL  dnsbl.antispam.or.id
BASURA  bl.emailbasura.org
CSMA-SBLbl.csma.biz
IMP-SPAMspamrbl.imp.ch
SWINOG  dnsrbl.swinog.ch
JAMMDNSBL   dnsbl.jammconsulting.com
PSBLpsbl.surriel.com
SPAMBAG blacklist.spambag.org
SPAMCANNIBALbl.spamcannibal.org
TQM3-DYNA   dhcp.tqmcube.com
TQM3-SPAM   spam.tqmcube.com
MXRATE  sub.mxrate.net
FIVETEN blackholes.five-ten-sg.com
WHOIS-DYNA  combined-HIB.dnsiplists.completewhois.com

MXRATE, FIVETEN, and WHOIS-DYNA have multiple lists, and it is good to give
separate weights to each.  Make sure you check out their web sites for
specifics.  NJABL and SORBs have multiple tests, make sure you are using all
of them, check out their web sites for specifics.  Sometimes these sites
with multiple tests delete some and add new ones, so it is a good idea to
check their web sites every so often to see if there are any changes.

For RHSBLs, make sure you are using SURBL (multi.surbl.org).

Statistically (using DLanalyzer), the top ten spam catching blacklists for
my servers are CBL, SORBS-DUHL, FIVETEN-SPAM, IMP-SPAM, SPAMCOP, PSBL,
NJABL-DYNA, UCEPROTECT-1, UCEPROTECT-3, MXRATE-BLOCK.

Are you using invURIBL?  It is an inexpensive external test, and it will
catch a lot of spam.

Gary



 Original Message 
> From: "Chuck Schick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:55 PM
> To: "Declude. JunkMail" 
> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists Recommendations.
> 
> I am looking for recommendations on other blacklists that Declude 
> users are successfully using.
> 
> Right now I use.
> 
> Spamcop
> list.dsbl.org (trusted)
> AHBL
> Spamhaus
> CBL
> UCEB
> ORDB
> SORBs
> NJABL
> BLITZEDALL
> MailPolice
> 
> 
> I looked at the Declude list and I am wondering about adding
> 
> spamsources.fabel.dk
> bl.csma.biz
> 0spam.fusionzero.com
> dnsbl.cyberlogic.net
> blackholes.five-ten-sg.com (multiple tests)
> psbl.surriel.com
> db.wpbl.info
> 
> Thoughts on these tests.  Any others that people are having luck with?
> 
> We use sniffer with Declude but too much is slipping through.
> 
> Chuck Schick
> Warp 8, Inc.
> (303)-421-5140
> www.warp8.com
> 
> 
> 





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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists Recommendations.

2006-11-27 Thread Andy Schmidt
Blitzedall is dead.

Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206 


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Schick
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 02:02 PM
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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists Recommendations.

Darrell:

Thanks for the recommendation.  I have added MX Rate...Any particular one(s)
of the fiveten lists.  I Think we used them in the past but had some false
positive issues.

Chuck Schick
Warp 8, Inc.
(303)-421-5140
www.warp8.com

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Chuck,

I would look to add MxRate and FiveTen.

Darrell

Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And
Imail.  IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG

Integration, and Log Parsers.

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From: "Chuck Schick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Declude. JunkMail" 
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:35 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists Recommendations.


I am looking for recommendations on other blacklists that Declude users are
successfully using.

Right now I use.

Spamcop
list.dsbl.org (trusted)
AHBL
Spamhaus
CBL
UCEB
ORDB
SORBs
NJABL
BLITZEDALL
MailPolice


I looked at the Declude list and I am wondering about adding

spamsources.fabel.dk
bl.csma.biz
0spam.fusionzero.com
dnsbl.cyberlogic.net
blackholes.five-ten-sg.com (multiple tests)
psbl.surriel.com
db.wpbl.info

Thoughts on these tests.  Any others that people are having luck with?

We use sniffer with Declude but too much is slipping through.

Chuck Schick
Warp 8, Inc.
(303)-421-5140
www.warp8.com



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re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists Recommendations.

2006-11-27 Thread Gary Steiner
BLITZEDALL went offline in May (see http://opm.blitzed.org).  Other than that, 
all the ones you are using I am also using.

Other IP4R tests that I am using successfully that you are not:

ADNSBL  dnsbl.antispam.or.id
BASURA  bl.emailbasura.org
CSMA-SBLbl.csma.biz
IMP-SPAMspamrbl.imp.ch
SWINOG  dnsrbl.swinog.ch
JAMMDNSBL   dnsbl.jammconsulting.com
PSBLpsbl.surriel.com
SPAMBAG blacklist.spambag.org
SPAMCANNIBALbl.spamcannibal.org
TQM3-DYNA   dhcp.tqmcube.com
TQM3-SPAM   spam.tqmcube.com
MXRATE  sub.mxrate.net
FIVETEN blackholes.five-ten-sg.com
WHOIS-DYNA  combined-HIB.dnsiplists.completewhois.com

MXRATE, FIVETEN, and WHOIS-DYNA have multiple lists, and it is good to give 
separate weights to each.  Make sure you check out their web sites for 
specifics.  NJABL and SORBs have multiple tests, make sure you are using all of 
them, check out their web sites for specifics.  Sometimes these sites with 
multiple tests delete some and add new ones, so it is a good idea to check 
their web sites every so often to see if there are any changes.

For RHSBLs, make sure you are using SURBL (multi.surbl.org).

Statistically (using DLanalyzer), the top ten spam catching blacklists for my 
servers are CBL, SORBS-DUHL, FIVETEN-SPAM, IMP-SPAM, SPAMCOP, PSBL, NJABL-DYNA, 
UCEPROTECT-1, UCEPROTECT-3, MXRATE-BLOCK.

Are you using invURIBL?  It is an inexpensive external test, and it will catch 
a lot of spam.

Gary



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> From: "Chuck Schick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:55 PM
> To: "Declude. JunkMail" 
> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists Recommendations.
> 
> I am looking for recommendations on other blacklists that Declude users are
> successfully using.
> 
> Right now I use.
> 
> Spamcop
> list.dsbl.org (trusted)
> AHBL
> Spamhaus
> CBL
> UCEB
> ORDB
> SORBs
> NJABL
> BLITZEDALL
> MailPolice
> 
> 
> I looked at the Declude list and I am wondering about adding
> 
> spamsources.fabel.dk
> bl.csma.biz
> 0spam.fusionzero.com
> dnsbl.cyberlogic.net
> blackholes.five-ten-sg.com (multiple tests)
> psbl.surriel.com
> db.wpbl.info
> 
> Thoughts on these tests.  Any others that people are having luck with?
> 
> We use sniffer with Declude but too much is slipping through.
> 
> Chuck Schick
> Warp 8, Inc.
> (303)-421-5140
> www.warp8.com
> 
> 
> 





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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists Recommendations.

2006-11-27 Thread Chuck Schick
Darrell:

Thanks for the recommendation.  I have added MX Rate...Any particular one(s)
of the fiveten lists.  I Think we used them in the past but had some false
positive issues.

Chuck Schick
Warp 8, Inc.
(303)-421-5140
www.warp8.com

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([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists Recommendations.


Chuck,

I would look to add MxRate and FiveTen.

Darrell

Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And 
Imail.  IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG

Integration, and Log Parsers.

- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Schick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Declude. JunkMail" 
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:35 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists Recommendations.


I am looking for recommendations on other blacklists that Declude users are
successfully using.

Right now I use.

Spamcop
list.dsbl.org (trusted)
AHBL
Spamhaus
CBL
UCEB
ORDB
SORBs
NJABL
BLITZEDALL
MailPolice


I looked at the Declude list and I am wondering about adding

spamsources.fabel.dk
bl.csma.biz
0spam.fusionzero.com
dnsbl.cyberlogic.net
blackholes.five-ten-sg.com (multiple tests)
psbl.surriel.com
db.wpbl.info

Thoughts on these tests.  Any others that people are having luck with?

We use sniffer with Declude but too much is slipping through.

Chuck Schick
Warp 8, Inc.
(303)-421-5140
www.warp8.com



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists Recommendations.

2006-11-27 Thread Darrell \([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Chuck,

I would look to add MxRate and FiveTen.

Darrell

Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And 
Imail.  IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG 
Integration, and Log Parsers.

- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Schick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Declude. JunkMail" 
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:35 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists Recommendations.


I am looking for recommendations on other blacklists that Declude users are
successfully using.

Right now I use.

Spamcop
list.dsbl.org (trusted)
AHBL
Spamhaus
CBL
UCEB
ORDB
SORBs
NJABL
BLITZEDALL
MailPolice


I looked at the Declude list and I am wondering about adding

spamsources.fabel.dk
bl.csma.biz
0spam.fusionzero.com
dnsbl.cyberlogic.net
blackholes.five-ten-sg.com (multiple tests)
psbl.surriel.com
db.wpbl.info

Thoughts on these tests.  Any others that people are having luck with?

We use sniffer with Declude but too much is slipping through.

Chuck Schick
Warp 8, Inc.
(303)-421-5140
www.warp8.com



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists

2003-08-04 Thread R. Scott Perry

I have been receiving many messages that are not being caught by
Junkmail and are not failing any tests. They are most certainly SPAM and are
more than a little obnoxious. I want to blacklist messages of this kind, but
want to be completely sure which is the best way. As an example, I have the
following line for X-Declude-Sender:
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [24.243.227.175]

In the past, I have blacklisted [EMAIL PROTECTED], but the IP address given
actually resolves to cs24243227-175.austin.rr.com. Should I be blacklisting
the sender or actual resolved address OR both??
The IP blacklists ("ipfile" test type in the global.cfg file) only block 
IPs, and the sender blacklists ("fromfile" in the global.cfg file) only 
work on the return address.  So you could add 24.243.227.175 to an IP 
blacklist, or you could add [EMAIL PROTECTED] to a sender blacklist.

If you are running Declude JunkMail Pro, you could also add a filter that 
would block the reverse DNS entry of cs24243227-175.austin.rr.com.

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists

2003-02-08 Thread R. Scott Perry


We have the ability to develop a whitelist by domain now, how about the
ability to create a individual blacklist, say something like this in
each junkmail file...

WHITELISTFILE  C:\maillists\cswanson\whitelist.txt
BLACKLISTFILE  C:\maillists\cswanson\blacklist.txt


The catch here is while they sound similar, whitelisting and blacklisting 
are very different beasts.

Whitelisting involves just one thing:  If an E-mail is whitelisted, Declude 
makes sure that the E-mail is delivered in exactly the same way as it would 
be delivered if it did not fail any spam tests.

Blacklisting, however, is much more complicated.  If an E-mail is 
blacklisted, should Declude JunkMail delete it?  We can't do that, because 
Declude will never delete E-mail unless specifically requested to do 
so.  Should it quarantine the E-mail?  That would work for some people, but 
not everyone.  Therefore, we would need to figure out some way of 
determining what action to take -- and then some people would probably want 
to have it factor into the weighting system.  At that point, do we set it 
up so that each blacklist entry can have its own action/weight (which some 
people would want)?  Or do we set up the blacklists exactly the same as 
standard tests (but, that can be done now, although it is tricky for 
per-user/per-domain blacklists)?

This is one of those features that it may be necessary to keep expanding 
and expanding, which could require major changes to the way that Declude 
JunkMail works.
   -Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] BLACKLISTS -

2002-11-18 Thread SPAM
The blacklist is the one generated by killlistgen. We were going to
delete mail based on it...now we downgraded to warn and added to
weighting so most do not get thru.

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>http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20021115S0018
>
>After reading this article, I changed our setup to weight the blacklist

>to 7 and delete email at weight20.

Which blacklist?  What was it set to before you read that article?  Why
did 
you change it after reading that article?
 -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BLACKLISTS -

2002-11-18 Thread Smart Business Lists
SPAM,

Monday, November 18, 2002 you wrote:
S> After reading this article, I changed our setup to weight the
S> blacklist to 7 and delete email at weight20. This waters down the
S> blacklist a bit but removes the reliance...anyone else doing the
S> same or similar?

   I think I understand what information in the article made you
   change your testing. However, it is more and more evident to me and
   my testing that every community of mail users is different and
   requires a different set of tests and actions.  I think it is
   entirely possible that one admin might get excellent results with
   an RBL and another might not.  So I think you have to devise a way
   to constantly monitor and tweak.

   I think that's the real message of the article - not just that
   rbl's are not as effective as they once were.

   However, we employ SNIFFER and get great results. We now fail on it
   alone after working out our lists and a few other peculiar issues.
It has been well worth the fee.



Terry Fritts

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BLACKLISTS -

2002-11-18 Thread R. Scott Perry


http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20021115S0018

After reading this article, I changed our setup to weight the blacklist
to 7 and delete email at weight20.


Which blacklist?  What was it set to before you read that article?  Why did 
you change it after reading that article?
-Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists vs. Bogus Reply-To

2002-10-15 Thread David Delbridge

Thanks, Tom.  Will do.

True.  It's just a shame to see an otherwise complete blacklist fail to snag the
bad guys.  It's got their number.  It's just not being pointed to look in the right
place (at least, in this particular instance).  Why things are this way may be
appropriate but over my head.  I'm still new to this.

Dave

Tom wrote:

> > But a filter requires the four-column format "HELO 10 CONTAINS
> > spammer.com" which would require that we reformat any third-party
> > blacklists each and every time we refresh the list, right?  Yuck!
> > Or is there a way to setup the HELO/EHLO filter against the
> > aforementioned two-column blacklist without modification?
>
> Why not stick the ones that keep coming up in a separate filter file
> with the HELO command, this way the are going to be caught one way or
> another.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists vs. Bogus Reply-To

2002-10-15 Thread Tom

> But a filter requires the four-column format "HELO 10 CONTAINS 
> spammer.com" which would require that we reformat any third-party 
> blacklists each and every time we refresh the list, right?  Yuck! 
> Or is there a way to setup the HELO/EHLO filter against the 
> aforementioned two-column blacklist without modification?

Why not stick the ones that keep coming up in a separate filter file
with the HELO command, this way the are going to be caught one way or
another.

Regards,
Tom
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists vs. Bogus Reply-To

2002-10-15 Thread R. Scott Perry


>Thank you for the clarifications, Scott.
>
> > To check the HELO/EHLO text (the
> > domain that appears in the Received: header), you can set up a HELO filter
> > (with Declude JunkMail Pro, using the latest release).
>
>But a filter requires the four-column format "HELO 10 CONTAINS 
>spammer.com" which
>would require that we reformat any third-party blacklists each and every 
>time we
>refresh the list, right?  Yuck!

That is correct.

On the other hand, if those third-party blacklists are in the one-column 
format, that means that they were designed specifically to use against the 
return address, and weren't designed to be used against the HELO/EHLO text.  :)

>Or is there a way to setup the HELO/EHLO filter
>against the aforementioned two-column blacklist without modification?

No -- with the HELO in there, Declude JunkMail won't know where in the 
E-mail you want to search.
 -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists vs. Bogus Reply-To

2002-10-15 Thread David Delbridge

Thank you for the clarifications, Scott.

> To check the HELO/EHLO text (the
> domain that appears in the Received: header), you can set up a HELO filter
> (with Declude JunkMail Pro, using the latest release).

But a filter requires the four-column format "HELO 10 CONTAINS spammer.com" which
would require that we reformat any third-party blacklists each and every time we
refresh the list, right?  Yuck!  Or is there a way to setup the HELO/EHLO filter
against the aforementioned two-column blacklist without modification?

Thanks again.

Dave

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists vs. Bogus Reply-To

2002-10-15 Thread R. Scott Perry


>How do I apply a blacklist against the "Received:" header -- not merely 
>the "Reply
>To:" header?  I realize that this has been discussed ad nauseum, but in 
>scanning
>the archives and manual, I still don't have a clear understanding.

The "sender blacklist" will blacklist senders, which is based on the 
"return address" of the E-mail (where bounce messages go), which is often 
different than the From: or Reply-To: headers.

Note that no E-mail address will appear in the Received: header.

>For example, our blacklist (from imagefxonline) contains the offending
>"speedi-list.com" domain.  Great!  However, mail from this spammer is not 
>being
>detected by the blacklist because their Reply-To headers contain an apparently
>randomly-generated "beawnez.com."

>How do I tell JunkMail to also search the "Received" header, where the 
>REAL spammer
>is identified without reformatting the two-column (domain/reason) blacklist?

Declude JunkMail doesn't look at the Reply-To: header (unless you are using 
a filter that checks the entire E-mail).  To check the HELO/EHLO text (the 
domain that appears in the Received: header), you can set up a HELO filter 
(with Declude JunkMail Pro, using the latest release).

However, note that the HELO/EHLO text is whatever the administrator of the 
remote mailserver decides it should be.  So if the spammer is sending to 
you directly, it will be made-up.  If he is sending through an open relay, 
he won't have control over the HELO/EHLO text, but the E-mail would more 
easily be caught based on the IP address of the remote mailserver.
 -Scott


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklists

2002-07-11 Thread R. Scott Perry


>Is it more efficient to have a single, large Blacklist file or multiple
>small ones? Right now I have a single one but it is getting rather
>large.

A single large blacklist would be *slightly* more efficient.
 -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] blacklists

2002-01-07 Thread R. Scott Perry


>1. The documentation says "You can define as many different IP blacklists as
>you like, ..." and I'm taking it at its word. As a practical matter, has
>anyone noticed an IP address file size where performance seems to degrade?
>This morning, I think I saw a couple of messages in my spam hold directory
>from over the weekend that came from addresses I've already blacklisted.

Although we haven't run performance tests on the blacklists, you should be 
able to have a very large number of them before performance becomes an 
issue.  I would expect you should be able to easily have hundreds or 
several thousand IPs listed.

>2. Where does the IP blacklist get the IP address to test? From the message
>header, or the message ID, or the SMTP envelope, or from somewhere else?

Declude JunkMail uses the IP address of the remote mail server for the IP 
blacklists.

By default, it will get this from the first Received: header of the E-mail 
(the one that IMail adds, which is a trusted header).  It's possible that 
this may change in certain situations, such as if you use the IPBYPASS or 
HOP options (for example, if you have it set up so that Declude JunkMail 
will bypass a backup mail server, the IP blacklist will look at the IP 
address that connected to your backup mail server instead).
   -Scott

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