RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting past Declude

2003-09-02 Thread IS - Systems Eng. (Karl Drugge)
Title: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting past Declude






Theyve cleaned up their acts. I am seeing a lot of stuff come straight through with a single hit. It ALMOST seems like if mail fails a few tests, its legit !



Karl Drugge















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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Greg Foulks
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 9:21 AM
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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting past Declude

Is it just me or have spammers found other ways to get past scanners? I've been getting slammed lately with more and more spam that is getting past declude without a single hit.

Greg Foulks

NewFound Technologies, Inc.

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http://www.nfti.com

614.318.5036




Re: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting past Declude

2003-09-02 Thread R. Scott Perry

Is it just me or have spammers found other ways to get past scanners? I've
been getting slammed lately with more and more spam that is getting past
declude without a single hit.
The two most common reasons for this are [1] A setup issue (a 
gateway/backup that Declude doesn't know about, bad DNS server, etc.), or 
[2] quasi-legitimate E-mail (for example, E-mail that you get after 
giving your E-mail address to a company but forgetting to uncheck the box 
that says It's OK to give my E-mail address to your affiliates or whatever).

If you can post the full headers (including Received: headers; no need for 
the message body), I can probably provide some pointers for how to improve 
spam detection.

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting past Declude

2003-09-02 Thread Pete - Madscientist
They're not getting past everything - we show a rejection rate of greater
than 75% almost consistently... not to say that the problem isn't getting
worse though.

http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Performance/FlowRates.jsp

We have seen a significant and apparently consistent rise in the rate of new
spam since about a week ago - conciding with the closure of Osirusoft...
probably largely a matter of more reports rather than simply more spam - but
significant none the less.

http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Performance/ChangeRates.jsp

_M

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 Is it just me or have spammers found other ways to get past scanners? I've
 been getting slammed lately with more and more spam that is getting past
 declude without a single hit.
 
 Greg Foulks
 NewFound Technologies, Inc.
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting past Declude

2003-09-02 Thread Greg Foulks
Scott,
I doubt it's a setup issue because I'm using the same setup that I've used
for a year now. Also I am not the only one receiving more spam.. All of my
users are as well...

Anyway here is a piece of spam recently received (I've already blacklisted
the sender) but it seems as soon as I blacklist a sender a new one is
created.

Received: from p.advertisingbymail.com [64.119.218.212] by mail.nfti.com
  (SMTPD32-6.06) id A91816D01A4; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:12:08 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 04:20:23 -0800
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Weight Solution [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Lose 10lbs in 1 Week
X-MimeOLE: Prodigy Compatibility V 4.5c810f26 or later
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [64.119.218.212]
X-Declude-Spoolname: D89181a4.SMD
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by NFTISERV's Declude JunkMail for spam.
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X-Weight: 0
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([64.119.218.212]).
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Greg

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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting past Declude



Is it just me or have spammers found other ways to get past scanners? I've
been getting slammed lately with more and more spam that is getting past
declude without a single hit.

The two most common reasons for this are [1] A setup issue (a
gateway/backup that Declude doesn't know about, bad DNS server, etc.), or
[2] quasi-legitimate E-mail (for example, E-mail that you get after
giving your E-mail address to a company but forgetting to uncheck the box
that says It's OK to give my E-mail address to your affiliates or
whatever).

If you can post the full headers (including Received: headers; no need for
the message body), I can probably provide some pointers for how to improve
spam detection.

-Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting past Declude

2003-09-02 Thread George Kulman
The following ipblacklist entry with a high enough weight to reject will
kill their stuff:

64.119.218.192/27   advertisingbymail.com

George

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Foulks
 Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:16 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting 
 past Declude
 
 
 Scott,
 I doubt it's a setup issue because I'm using the same setup 
 that I've used
 for a year now. Also I am not the only one receiving more 
 spam.. All of my
 users are as well...
 
 Anyway here is a piece of spam recently received (I've 
 already blacklisted
 the sender) but it seems as soon as I blacklist a sender a new one is
 created.
 
 Received: from p.advertisingbymail.com [64.119.218.212] by 
 mail.nfti.com
   (SMTPD32-6.06) id A91816D01A4; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:12:08 -0400
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 04:20:23 -0800
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 From: Weight Solution [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Lose 10lbs in 1 Week
 X-MimeOLE: Prodigy Compatibility V 4.5c810f26 or later
 Mime-Version: 1.0
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [64.119.218.212]
 X-Declude-Spoolname: D89181a4.SMD
 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by NFTISERV's Declude 
 JunkMail for spam.
 X-Spam-Tests-Failed: None
 X-Weight: 0
 X-Note: This E-mail was sent from p.advertisingbymail.com
 ([64.119.218.212]).
 X-RCPT-TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 X-UIDL: 359866453
 Status: U
 
 Greg
 
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 Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 9:53 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting 
 past Declude
 
 
 
 Is it just me or have spammers found other ways to get past 
 scanners? I've
 been getting slammed lately with more and more spam that is 
 getting past
 declude without a single hit.
 
 The two most common reasons for this are [1] A setup issue (a
 gateway/backup that Declude doesn't know about, bad DNS 
 server, etc.), or
 [2] quasi-legitimate E-mail (for example, E-mail that you get after
 giving your E-mail address to a company but forgetting to 
 uncheck the box
 that says It's OK to give my E-mail address to your affiliates or
 whatever).
 
 If you can post the full headers (including Received: 
 headers; no need for
 the message body), I can probably provide some pointers for 
 how to improve
 spam detection.
 
 -Scott
 ---
 Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail 
 mailservers.
 Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver
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 Find out what you have been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation.
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting past Declude

2003-09-02 Thread George Kulman
Greg,

After checking my ipblacklist, I have the entire Class C blocked due to
multiple spammers.  The entry is:

64.119.218.0/24 Assorted SPAM

George

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Foulks
 Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:16 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting 
 past Declude
 
 
 Scott,
 I doubt it's a setup issue because I'm using the same setup 
 that I've used
 for a year now. Also I am not the only one receiving more 
 spam.. All of my
 users are as well...
 
 Anyway here is a piece of spam recently received (I've 
 already blacklisted
 the sender) but it seems as soon as I blacklist a sender a new one is
 created.
 
 Received: from p.advertisingbymail.com [64.119.218.212] by 
 mail.nfti.com
   (SMTPD32-6.06) id A91816D01A4; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:12:08 -0400
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 04:20:23 -0800
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 From: Weight Solution [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Lose 10lbs in 1 Week
 X-MimeOLE: Prodigy Compatibility V 4.5c810f26 or later
 Mime-Version: 1.0
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [64.119.218.212]
 X-Declude-Spoolname: D89181a4.SMD
 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by NFTISERV's Declude 
 JunkMail for spam.
 X-Spam-Tests-Failed: None
 X-Weight: 0
 X-Note: This E-mail was sent from p.advertisingbymail.com
 ([64.119.218.212]).
 X-RCPT-TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 X-UIDL: 359866453
 Status: U
 
 Greg
 
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 Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 9:53 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting 
 past Declude
 
 
 
 Is it just me or have spammers found other ways to get past 
 scanners? I've
 been getting slammed lately with more and more spam that is 
 getting past
 declude without a single hit.
 
 The two most common reasons for this are [1] A setup issue (a
 gateway/backup that Declude doesn't know about, bad DNS 
 server, etc.), or
 [2] quasi-legitimate E-mail (for example, E-mail that you get after
 giving your E-mail address to a company but forgetting to 
 uncheck the box
 that says It's OK to give my E-mail address to your affiliates or
 whatever).
 
 If you can post the full headers (including Received: 
 headers; no need for
 the message body), I can probably provide some pointers for 
 how to improve
 spam detection.
 
 -Scott
 ---
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 mailservers.
 Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting past Declude

2003-09-02 Thread R. Scott Perry

I doubt it's a setup issue because I'm using the same setup that I've used
for a year now. Also I am not the only one receiving more spam.. All of my
users are as well...
So in the past year, you haven't added/removed any gateways or backup 
mailservers, haven't changed IPs for DNS servers, haven't had a DNS server 
changed to be authoritative only, etc.?

Note that a configuration change that causes problems will usually be 
noticeable by all users of the server.

Received: from p.advertisingbymail.com [64.119.218.212] by mail.nfti.com
  (SMTPD32-6.06) id A91816D01A4; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:12:08 -0400
Given that this is sent from an IP that has a reverse DNS entry that 
matches the HELO/EHLO, and that it has an obvious domain name 
(advertisingbymail.com), by first guess is that it is:

[2] quasi-legitimate E-mail (for example, E-mail that you get after
giving your E-mail address to a company but forgetting to uncheck the box
that says It's OK to give my E-mail address to your affiliates or
whatever).
In this case, you'll need to do some work to block this type of E-mail.  In 
this case, you may want to try a filter that blocks all E-mail with 
advertisingbymail.com in the reverse DNS entry.

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting past Declude

2003-09-02 Thread Greg Foulks
Scott,
Correct I have not added/removed any gateways or backup mailservers, changed
any IP's for DNS or changed a DNS responsibility.

What I'm seeing in spam lately is that it looks more legit than in the past.
Usually a piece of spam will fail at least one of our tests. like a RFC
problem, a bad reverse, etc...

It just seems like that recently the spam we've been getting is clean. Which
makes it hard for declude to block it when it passes all of the rules.

Greg

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I doubt it's a setup issue because I'm using the same setup that I've used
for a year now. Also I am not the only one receiving more spam.. All of my
users are as well...

So in the past year, you haven't added/removed any gateways or backup
mailservers, haven't changed IPs for DNS servers, haven't had a DNS server
changed to be authoritative only, etc.?

Note that a configuration change that causes problems will usually be
noticeable by all users of the server.

Received: from p.advertisingbymail.com [64.119.218.212] by mail.nfti.com
   (SMTPD32-6.06) id A91816D01A4; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:12:08 -0400

Given that this is sent from an IP that has a reverse DNS entry that
matches the HELO/EHLO, and that it has an obvious domain name
(advertisingbymail.com), by first guess is that it is:

[2] quasi-legitimate E-mail (for example, E-mail that you get after
giving your E-mail address to a company but forgetting to uncheck the box
that says It's OK to give my E-mail address to your affiliates or
whatever).

In this case, you'll need to do some work to block this type of E-mail.  In
this case, you may want to try a filter that blocks all E-mail with
advertisingbymail.com in the reverse DNS entry.

-Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting past Declude

2003-09-02 Thread Karen D. Oland
Greg,

Did you add any replacements for OSIRUSOFT?  Or just comment them out?

Karen

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 Correct I have not added/removed any gateways or backup 
 mailservers, changed
 any IP's for DNS or changed a DNS responsibility.
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting past Declude

2003-09-02 Thread Todd Hunter
Greg,

I doubt it's a setup issue because I'm using the same setup that I've used
for a year now. 
This probably goes without saying but you have removed the osirusoft.com 
tests and replaced them with something appropriate?

I have email accounts that I monitor that get Huge amounts of spam.  We 
were seeing some spam that would pass the DNS based tests and for that 
reason we added SpamCheck.  Now Nothing get through.  And we have fewer FPs.

Todd Hunter
Progressive Systems


At 10:16 AM 9/2/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Scott,
I doubt it's a setup issue because I'm using the same setup that I've used
for a year now. Also I am not the only one receiving more spam.. All of my
users are as well...
Anyway here is a piece of spam recently received (I've already blacklisted
the sender) but it seems as soon as I blacklist a sender a new one is
created.
Received: from p.advertisingbymail.com [64.119.218.212] by mail.nfti.com
  (SMTPD32-6.06) id A91816D01A4; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:12:08 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 04:20:23 -0800
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Weight Solution [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Lose 10lbs in 1 Week
X-MimeOLE: Prodigy Compatibility V 4.5c810f26 or later
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [64.119.218.212]
X-Declude-Spoolname: D89181a4.SMD
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by NFTISERV's Declude JunkMail for spam.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: None
X-Weight: 0
X-Note: This E-mail was sent from p.advertisingbymail.com
([64.119.218.212]).
X-RCPT-TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-UIDL: 359866453
Status: U
Greg

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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting past Declude


Is it just me or have spammers found other ways to get past scanners? I've
been getting slammed lately with more and more spam that is getting past
declude without a single hit.
The two most common reasons for this are [1] A setup issue (a
gateway/backup that Declude doesn't know about, bad DNS server, etc.), or
[2] quasi-legitimate E-mail (for example, E-mail that you get after
giving your E-mail address to a company but forgetting to uncheck the box
that says It's OK to give my E-mail address to your affiliates or
whatever).
If you can post the full headers (including Received: headers; no need for
the message body), I can probably provide some pointers for how to improve
spam detection.
-Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting past Declude

2003-09-02 Thread Greg Foulks
I have not replaced any of the asirusfot.com tests but have added a few
others.

Here is my current configuration


DSBLip4r  list.dsbl.org *   30 
 0
MONKEYFORMMAIL  ip4rformmail.relays.monkeys.com *   30  0
MONKEYPROXIES   ip4rproxies.relays.monkeys.com  *   30  0
NJABL   ip4r  dnsbl.njabl.org   127.0.0.2  
 10  0
VOX ip4r  vox.schpider.com  127.0.0.2   30 
 0
BLITZEDALL  ip4r  opm.blitzed.org   *  
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IPWHOIS ip4ripwhois.rfc-ignorant.org127.0.0.6   5   0
SORBS-HTTP  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.2   7  
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 0
SORBS-MISC  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.4   7  
 0
SORBS-SMTP  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.5   7  
 0
SORBS-SPAM  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.6   7  
 0
SORBS-WEB   ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.7   7  
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 0
SORBS-ZOMBIEip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.9   7   0
SPAMBAG ip4rblacklist.spambag.org   127.0.0.2   10  0
UCEBip4rblackholes.uceb.org *   20 
 0
ORDBip4r  relays.ordb.org   *  
 10  0
OSDUL   ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.3   5  
 0
OSFORM  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.8   9   0
OSLIST  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.7   9   0
OSRELAY ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.2   9   0
OSSMART ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.5   9   0
OSSOFT  ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.6   9   0
OSSRC   ip4rrelays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.4   9  
 0
SPAMCOP ip4r  bl.spamcop.net127.0.0.2   10 
 0
NJABL   ip4r dnsbl.njabl.org127.0.0.2   10  0
FABELSOURCESip4r spamsources.fabel.dk   127.0.0.2   10  0
FIVETEN-SPAMip4r blackholes.five-ten-sg.com 127.0.0.2   10  0
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MAILPOLICE-PORN rhsbl porn.rhs.mailpolice.com   127.0.0.2   55  0

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Todd Hunter
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting past Declude


Greg,

I doubt it's a setup issue because I'm using the same setup that I've used
for a year now. 

This probably goes without saying but you have removed the osirusoft.com
tests and replaced them with something appropriate?

I have email accounts that I monitor that get Huge amounts of spam.  We
were seeing some spam that would pass the DNS based tests and for that
reason we added SpamCheck.  Now Nothing get through.  And we have fewer FPs.


Todd Hunter
Progressive Systems




At 10:16 AM 9/2/2003 -0400

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting past Declude

2003-09-02 Thread R. Scott Perry

It just seems like that recently the spam we've been getting is clean. Which
makes it hard for declude to block it when it passes all of the rules.
That's because companies that feel that they are legitimate E-mailers (ones 
that technically *do* have your permission to send the mail!) are the ones 
that are very likely to have everything in order.  Their mail isn't likely 
to have header problems, DNS problems, anti-filter devices, etc.

For this type of spam, the best answer is often a content filtering program 
(such as Message Sniffer or Alligate) that can work in conjunction with 
Declude, which is better able to catch this type of spam.  But, note that 
there's a fine line here in determining what is spam and what is not.

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting past Declude

2003-09-02 Thread Todd Hunter
127.0.0.12  1 
 0
MAILPOLICE-BULK rhsbl 
bulk.rhs.mailpolice.com   127.0.0.2   45  0
MAILPOLICE-PORN rhsbl 
porn.rhs.mailpolice.com   127.0.0.2   55  0

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Todd Hunter
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More and more email getting past Declude
Greg,

I doubt it's a setup issue because I'm using the same setup that I've used
for a year now. 
This probably goes without saying but you have removed the osirusoft.com
tests and replaced them with something appropriate?
I have email accounts that I monitor that get Huge amounts of spam.  We
were seeing some spam that would pass the DNS based tests and for that
reason we added SpamCheck.  Now Nothing get through.  And we have fewer FPs.
Todd Hunter
Progressive Systems


At 10:16 AM 9/2/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Scott,
I doubt it's a setup issue because I'm using the same setup that I've used
for a year now. Also I am not the only one receiving more spam.. All of my
users are as well...

Anyway here is a piece of spam recently received (I've already blacklisted
the sender) but it seems as soon as I blacklist a sender a new one is
created.

Received: from p.advertisingbymail.com [64.119.218.212] by mail.nfti.com
   (SMTPD32-6.06) id A91816D01A4; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:12:08 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 04:20:23 -0800
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Weight Solution [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Lose 10lbs in 1 Week
X-MimeOLE: Prodigy Compatibility V 4.5c810f26 or later
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [64.119.218.212]
X-Declude-Spoolname: D89181a4.SMD
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by NFTISERV's Declude JunkMail for spam.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: None
X-Weight: 0
X-Note: This E-mail was sent from p.advertisingbymail.com
([64.119.218.212]).
X-RCPT-TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-UIDL: 359866453
Status: U

Greg

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Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 9:53 AM
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 Is it just me or have spammers found other ways to get past scanners?
I've
 been getting slammed lately with more and more spam that is getting past
 declude without a single hit.

The two most common reasons for this are [1] A setup issue (a
gateway/backup that Declude doesn't know about, bad DNS server, etc.), or
[2] quasi-legitimate E-mail (for example, E-mail that you get after
giving your E-mail address to a company but forgetting to uncheck the box
that says It's OK to give my E-mail address to your affiliates or
whatever).

If you can post the full headers (including Received: headers; no need for
the message body), I can probably provide some pointers for how to improve
spam detection.

 -Scott
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