[Declude.Virus] Magistr.32678

2002-01-11 Thread David Setzer

Has anybody seen Magistr.32768@mm  get through lately?  We have a user that
got infected today and transmitted it to another user.  My F-Prot defs were
1.7.02 but this one is much older.  This brings me to an important
question...

Does Declude catch messages that go between users on the same domain?  All
three involved here were on the same domain.

Thanks

David


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Re: [Declude.Virus] Magistr.32678

2002-01-11 Thread David Setzer

That's it, I was running 3.10c.  Would be nice if they could auto update
their .exe when you update defs, or at least warn you.  Do they send out
notifications about program updates?

BTW - I thought you couldn't have an on-access scanner running on the
machine with Declude and the command line scanner.  To make Declude work we
had to uninstall F-prot and reinstall it without the on-access option.

Thanks

David

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Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Magistr.32678



 Has anybody seen Magistr.32768@mm  get through lately?  We have a user
that
 got infected today and transmitted it to another user.  My F-Prot defs
were
 1.7.02 but this one is much older.  This brings me to an important
 question...

 F-Prot will catch Magistr.32768@mm, but it requires that you be running a
 recent version of F-Prot (3.11 or higher I think).

 Does Declude catch messages that go between users on the same domain?
All
 three involved here were on the same domain.

 It does, unless they are sent through web messaging (in which case you can
 have an on-access scanner set to scan the \IMail\spool directory, but not
 the subdirectories off of it).
 -Scott

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Re: [Declude.Virus] Magistr.32678

2002-01-11 Thread David Setzer

One more thing...

 It does, unless they are sent through web messaging (in which case you can
 have an on-access scanner set to scan the \IMail\spool directory, but not
 the subdirectories off of it).
 -Scott

This would require a user to manually send a file with a virus (knowingly or
unknowingly) correct?  There aren't any known worms that spread using the
Imail web client's address book, are there??

Thanks

David

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Re: [Declude.Virus] Magistr.32678

2002-01-11 Thread Jerod M. Bennett

Scott,

It seems that this file is in constant request.  Perhaps you could host
it on the declude/tools page.

-Jerry

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There has been a bat file floating around that does just what you
describe.  It gets the zip of the program via ftp.  I use it here, works
great. At least it did when they updated to the 3.11 version.  

I schedule the batch file nightly.  

I can't  remember who originally created it but thanks for doing it!!!

I modified slightly so I can tell in an e-mail sent to me if the def
files were updated.

If you want it let me know, I'll send it to you...

bob

On Friday, January 11, 2002 3:55 PM, David Setzer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's it, I was running 3.10c.  Would be nice if they could auto 
update their .exe when you update defs, or at least warn you.  Do they 
send out notifications about program updates?

BTW - I thought you couldn't have an on-access scanner running on the 
machine with Declude and the command line scanner.  To make Declude 
work we had to uninstall F-prot and reinstall it without the on-access 
option.

Thanks

David

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From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Magistr.32678



 Has anybody seen Magistr.32768@mm  get through lately?  We have a 
 user
that
 got infected today and transmitted it to another user.  My F-Prot 
 defs
were
 1.7.02 but this one is much older.  This brings me to an important 
 question...

 F-Prot will catch Magistr.32768@mm, but it requires that you be 
 running a recent version of F-Prot (3.11 or higher I think).

 Does Declude catch messages that go between users on the same 
 domain?
All
 three involved here were on the same domain.

 It does, unless they are sent through web messaging (in which case 
 you can have an on-access scanner set to scan the \IMail\spool 
 directory, but not the subdirectories off of it).
 -Scott

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Re: [Declude.Virus] Magistr.32678

2002-01-11 Thread Champaign Park District

They do have an e-mail autonotification of updates.
I just signed up for it a couple of days ago.
I can't find my notes right now but I did send a verification of
subscription request to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

John Olden - Systems Administrator
Champaign Park District


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From: David Setzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Magistr.32678


 That's it, I was running 3.10c.  Would be nice if they could auto
update
 their .exe when you update defs, or at least warn you.  Do they send
out
 notifications about program updates?

 BTW - I thought you couldn't have an on-access scanner running on the
 machine with Declude and the command line scanner.  To make Declude
work we
 had to uninstall F-prot and reinstall it without the on-access option.

 Thanks

 David

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 From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Magistr.32678


 
  Has anybody seen Magistr.32768@mm  get through lately?  We have a
user
 that
  got infected today and transmitted it to another user.  My F-Prot
defs
 were
  1.7.02 but this one is much older.  This brings me to an important
  question...
 
  F-Prot will catch Magistr.32768@mm, but it requires that you be
running a
  recent version of F-Prot (3.11 or higher I think).
 
  Does Declude catch messages that go between users on the same
domain?
 All
  three involved here were on the same domain.
 
  It does, unless they are sent through web messaging (in which case
you can
  have an on-access scanner set to scan the \IMail\spool directory,
but not
  the subdirectories off of it).
  -Scott
 
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Re: [Declude.Virus] Magistr.32678

2002-01-11 Thread Jonathan

So is it safe to upgrade an NT4 machine to the 3.11b version of F-prot 
thats currently on their site? I had seen some issues on here before, but 
didnt really pay attention until now (since we need to upgrade the engine now).

Thanks,

Jonathan

At 05:16 PM 1/11/2002 -0600, you wrote:
They do have an e-mail autonotification of updates.
I just signed up for it a couple of days ago.
I can't find my notes right now but I did send a verification of
subscription request to
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

John Olden - Systems Administrator
Champaign Park District


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From: David Setzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Magistr.32678


  That's it, I was running 3.10c.  Would be nice if they could auto
update
  their .exe when you update defs, or at least warn you.  Do they send
out
  notifications about program updates?
 
  BTW - I thought you couldn't have an on-access scanner running on the
  machine with Declude and the command line scanner.  To make Declude
work we
  had to uninstall F-prot and reinstall it without the on-access option.
 
  Thanks
 
  David
 
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  From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Magistr.32678
 
 
  
   Has anybody seen Magistr.32768@mm  get through lately?  We have a
user
  that
   got infected today and transmitted it to another user.  My F-Prot
defs
  were
   1.7.02 but this one is much older.  This brings me to an important
   question...
  
   F-Prot will catch Magistr.32768@mm, but it requires that you be
running a
   recent version of F-Prot (3.11 or higher I think).
  
   Does Declude catch messages that go between users on the same
domain?
  All
   three involved here were on the same domain.
  
   It does, unless they are sent through web messaging (in which case
you can
   have an on-access scanner set to scan the \IMail\spool directory,
but not
   the subdirectories off of it).
   -Scott
  
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Re: [Declude.Virus] Magistr.32678

2002-01-11 Thread R. Scott Perry


  It does, unless they are sent through web messaging (in which case you can
  have an on-access scanner set to scan the \IMail\spool directory, but not
  the subdirectories off of it).

This would require a user to manually send a file with a virus (knowingly or
unknowingly) correct?  There aren't any known worms that spread using the
Imail web client's address book, are there??

That's correct.  It should be extremely rare for a virus to be passed 
through web messaging.

First, all the incoming mail that a web messaging user receives is scanned 
by Declude, so it they likely won't be getting a virus through 
E-mail.  It's possible, though, that they could receive a virus from 
another mail server or via FTP or from a web site.

If they do manage to get a virus, most recent viruses simply try to spread 
immediately via E-mail or HTTP or IRC.  Those viruses won't be able to 
spread via web messaging.

The only way a virus can be spread via web messaging is if a user [1] gets 
a virus, [2] attaches a file to the E-mail they are sending via web 
messaging, and [3] the virus attached itself to that specific file.  If any 
of those conditions aren't met, it shouldn't be possible for a virus to 
spread via web messaging.
   -Scott

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Re: [Declude.Virus] Magistr.32678

2002-01-11 Thread R. Scott Perry


It seems that this file is in constant request.  Perhaps you could host
it on the declude/tools page.

Yes.  Someone else had made a similar suggestion recently.  We've already 
started adding a section to the Tools page for Declude addons.  It will 
at first link to E-mails in the archive ( http://www.mail-archive.com ) 
that contain the programs or information about them, and the URLs will be 
changed for any programs that have their own URL.
   -Scott

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Re: [Declude.Virus] Magistr.32678

2002-01-11 Thread Serge Dergham

1-If I set netshield to scan \spool, it will not interfere with declude ?
the recieved files/emails are directly created in subdirectories, and
declude will scan and send notification before netshield delete the files?

2- We can set netshield to scan \spool but not its subdirectories ? how ?

3- is it a good idea to do have netshield monitor \spool, do you recommend
it ? (I curently have netshield monitoring the server but exclude \spool)

4- How do I find what version of Fprot dos engine I have ? I already
contacted their support 3 times, but never got an answer, even about the
3.11b problem.

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 BTW - I thought you couldn't have an on-access scanner running on the
 machine with Declude and the command line scanner.  To make Declude work
we
 had to uninstall F-prot and reinstall it without the on-access option.

 Here's the story about on-access scanners and Declude:

 As you probably know, Declude works with a command line scanner.

 If you run an on-access scanner, it will delete files as soon as Declude
 creates them (if they contain a virus).  When Declude calls the command
 line scanner, the command line scanner reports that no virus was found
 (since the file was deleted, so was the virus).  That's why running an
 on-access scanner can be a problem.  However, you can either set up the
 on-access scanner not to scan the subdirectories off of \IMail\Spool
(where
 Declude processes the attachments), or you can change the ONACCESS OFF
 line in the \IMail\Declude\virus.cfg file to ONACCESS ON, which will
tell
 Declude to check to see if the file was deleted (and if so, assume a virus
 was found).

 The problem with F-Prot is that it can't be set up to exclude the
 subdirectories off of \IMail\spool, and their on-access scanner conflicts
 with Declude.  You *can* set it up using the ONACCESS ON setting, but
 there's a chance that it will interfere.  I don't recall exactly what
 happens, but essentially there's a chance that either viruses could
 occasionally be delivered, or non-viruses could get caught.  I believe
it's
 a file locking issue.  The Windows version of F-Prot is fairly new, from
 what I understand, so this may change as the program evolves.

 So what can you do?  You can have F-Prot's command line scanner hooked up
 to Declude, while having another product (such as McAfee) scanning the
 \IMail\spool directory.
  -Scott

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Re: [Declude.Virus] Magistr.32678

2002-01-11 Thread R. Scott Perry


1-If I set netshield to scan \spool, it will not interfere with declude ?

If you set it to scan *just* the spool directory (not any subdirectories 
off of the spool directory), there will be no problem.  Otherwise, you will 
need to use the ONACCESS ON setting in the virus.cfg file.

the recieved files/emails are directly created in subdirectories, and
declude will scan and send notification before netshield delete the files?

If you use the ONACCESS ON setting, Declude will detect that the files were 
deleted, and will know that a virus was detected.

2- We can set netshield to scan \spool but not its subdirectories ? how ?

I don't know how to do that with NetShield, but I understand that it is 
possible.

3- is it a good idea to do have netshield monitor \spool, do you recommend
it ? (I curently have netshield monitoring the server but exclude \spool)

That's up to you to decide.  It will use a lot more CPU time, since all the 
files that come into the spool will need to be scanned, and it doesn't 
offer much more protection.  But if you need that extra layer of 
protection, then it would be a good idea.

4- How do I find what version of Fprot dos engine I have ?

If you type just F-Prot from a command line, the interactive version will 
start; you can find the version there.
   -Scott

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