Re: [libreoffice-design] Vegur font
Hi Hillar, all, I worked on a font once a long time ago so I could perhaps assist in the process but would be reluctant to take a leading role in the continued development of the font. Is there a list of "desired" characters for the font? If not I could start a page on developing the Vegur to create the remaining characters. Chances are most missing characters will be easy to create (ex: 'ñ' = '~' + 'n') plus the outline for the font is pretty straight forward. Cheers, Jaron On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Bernhard Dippold < bernh...@familie-dippold.at> wrote: > Hi Hillar, all, > > Hillar Liiv schrieb: > > Hello! >> >> If You want Vegur be default font then we need to make missing characters. >> I >> made some of them (included light version only), >> > > That's just great! Thanks for starting this task. > > > these needs to be reviewed. >> > > I've never worked on fonts - but perhaps anybody else? > > > Some important characters are not done yet. >> >> Is somebody else working with Vegur? >> > > I'm not aware of anybody. > > > Who is author of original Vegur font? > > It's Arro @ dotcolon.net > > I contacted him last year when we sought an official OOo font. > > He replied: > > "At present, update is not scheduled. Please make to the outline and use > it. There is no problem even if it freely customizes it." > > Best regards > > Bernhard > > PS: You used version 0.602 from the dotcolon website as basis? > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > design+h...@libreoffice.org > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] MimeType icons: More time for improvements...
Hi all, the MimeType icons didn't make it in RC 4, even if Christoph and Thorsten Behrens tried very hard to make it happen. Unfortunately the icons are spread among a multitude of places inside the OpenOffice.org source code, so it was impossible to replace all appearances of the icons. Without thorough testing it would have been very likely that there would stay some old icons or appear broken links. As such an appearance would have caused a less professional impression than staying with the present icons it has been decided to leave them out of this Release Candidate. If there will be another stopper, leading to a fifth RC, this might be reconsidered, but at the moment it is planned to include them in LibreOffice 3.3.1 - giving more importance to the next version that should be released in one or two months... For a realistic planning I think we have about two or three weeks to finalize the icons, giving us (probably) enough time to test the improvements we had to postpone because of the short timeframe. I included Jaron's and my icon designs in the source file as different layers, so it should contain all the present versions of the icons. I want to thank all of you who spent their time in these designs and comments - it is a great experience to have the chance of working really collaboratively in a team! Let's finalize the icons, include them in the source and have it tested for LibreOffice 3.3.1. I think we can be really proud of the work we already did and we keep on doing! Make it just work, and look great, too! Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Hi everybody!
Hi Paulo, all Paulo José schrieb: Hi! My name is Paulo José, 20. I'm a Brazilian Computer Science student and I've been an art lover along all my life. [...] And now I'm very excitet to be here in this maillist, thanks to Berhnard Dippold and Christoph Noack that helped me very much and invited me to join the Design Team. Thank you very much guys! We're looking forward to working with you! Welcome here on the list! [...] I think this two projects gave me some practical and theorical - although very initial - knowledge about UI design. And by my whole life I worked (as amateur) with graphical programs like Photoshop, Gimp, Inkscape and Blender. Not everybody here has the possibility to work with Photoshop, so we try to rely mainly on tools like Inkscape and GIMP. As we want to work collaboratively and exchange our source files for iterational improvements, SVG is our most preferred file format and we upload our source files to the wiki. Using it's versioning facility we can stay up-to-date with the development by others while keeping the same URL. I don't know if you already thought of licensing your work. We're part of an open source community and therefore we recommend to provide our graphical contributions under a open source license too. To ease your work you don't need to describe the license you want and provide a link to it when you upload any file to the wiki. At the bottom of the upload page you can choose among different license templates to be added to your contribution. For artwork and design drafts that might become a basis for inclusion in the LibreOffice source code (like the icons we're working on at the moment) we recommend to use the triple license CC by-sa, LGPL 3+ and MPL 1.1. Other artwork can be licensed under CC by-sa only (or any other license you choose), but my personal position is, that this triple license seems to cover all probable use-cases of my work, so I use it for any of my contributions. Just be aware that you can't change the license of any artwork you're going to improve or work on. Sorry, if this sounds confusing, but I thought, it would be reasonable to tell you in advance... I'm sure we can have a lot of fun and work together on all the upcoming tasks in UX/UI, visual design and branding - don't by shy to comment / criticize any mockups presented here: We strongly believe that collaborative work will lead to even better results than individual contribution. Welcome again! Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeTyme icons - Macro
Hi Jaron, all, Jaron Kuppers schrieb: I apologize for the double post. In case someone wants to play with the original gear icon I included the svg file: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Gears_in_Macro_Icon.svg It will be easier to use this file to recreate the gear or change it in some way. Thanks for the source. I included it in the icon and tried Christoph's proposal to broaden the text behind the gear a bit. Please have a look: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Macro_icon_proposal.png (reload to clean cache...) Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons: More time for improvements...
Hi Bernhard, all, Top posting for just a small word here: if you need me for the QA on a specific version containing the icons, don't hesitate to ping me, I'll be happy to help here. Kind regards Sophie On 23/01/2011 18:57, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi all, the MimeType icons didn't make it in RC 4, even if Christoph and Thorsten Behrens tried very hard to make it happen. [...] -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons: More time for improvements...
Hi Bernhard, all, :-( Oh well... I appreciate how much people tried to push it through. Thanks to those people for their work. Perhaps the code people might even take this opportunity to change the code a little to consolidate references to icons in the code. As I haven't looked at any code I have no idea how bad it is so I hope its not too much work for them as I realize they are quite busy. We should treat this as a good opportunity to finalize the icons and make them look really polished. On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Bernhard Dippold < bernh...@familie-dippold.at> wrote: > I want to thank all of you who spent their time in these designs and > comments - it is a great experience to have the chance of working really > collaboratively in a team! Yes! It has been very fun to have such a collaborative project! I am glad so many people have been participating. Cheers, Jaron -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeTyme icons - Macro
Hi Bernhard, Looks much nicer with the larger text behind the gear. Rotating the gear really helps clean up the 16px icon. The only change I would make to the icon set would be a change to the size of the gear and its location in the 16px icon. I tried it out real quick here: http://picasaweb.google.com/JaronBaron/LibreOffice#5565462304015028738 I think it looks a bit cleaner (gear axle is clearer). What do people think? I am currently running out the door so I will have to upload the source later. Cheers, Jaron On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Bernhard Dippold < bernh...@familie-dippold.at> wrote: > Hi Jaron, all, > > Jaron Kuppers schrieb: > > I apologize for the double post. >> >> In case someone wants to play with the original gear icon I included the >> svg >> file: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Gears_in_Macro_Icon.svg >> It will be easier to use this file to recreate the gear or change it in >> some >> way. >> > > Thanks for the source. > > I included it in the icon and tried Christoph's proposal to broaden the > text behind the gear a bit. > > Please have a look: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Macro_icon_proposal.png > > (reload to clean cache...) > > > Best regards > > Bernhard > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > design+h...@libreoffice.org > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] UX/Visual Design Description (Draft) (was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Work on the libreoffice.org content - sitrep 2011/01/22)
Hi Christoph, David, As a native speaker I read through Christoph's write-up as per his request. Please consider the few grammatical changes bolded below. Cheers, Jaron On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: > ### Start ### > > LibreOffice aims to be a great tool for people to let them create, edit > and share any kind of information - enabling them to turn their ideas > into documents. But offering that much capability doesn't require the > software be complicated for all the different users ... The LibreOffice > Design Team wants to "Make it just work, and look great, too!" by > offering User Experience Design and Visual Identity Design. > > We need people to get involved in one or some of the following areas: > * User Experience: User Experience considers the user's >point-of-view even before and also during the use of >LibreOffice. It aims for productivity, usability and enjoyment >and targets both the website and the software. Interest in or >available knowledge concerning research, design and evaluation >methods make you wanted. > * Visual Identity Design: Visual identity design is about creating >stunning artwork to be used within LibreOffice, for the website >and also in marketing material. *It also involves further improving >the quality and consistency of the visual branding language* - >which represents our whole community. > * Accessibility: *Accessibility is about making the software >usable for everyone* - people with and without disabilities. It >considers applicable laws and required technologies to achieve >this challenging goal. > * User Support and Training: This is about sharing your experience >when providing support and training for end-users. *It will help >us to identify important areas for improvement, and identify >essential requirements.* > > Consequently, if you want to work on improvements that target both the > community *and our* large end-user base, then the Design Team is the > right place for you. > > If you want to know more, please visit the . > > ### End ### > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] UX/Visual Design Description (Draft) (was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Work on the libreoffice.org content - sitrep 2011/01/22)
Hi Jaron, :-) I already proofread Christoph's draft and put it on the site, but many thanks anyway. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Work on the libreoffice.org content - sitrep 2011/01/22
Hi all, Bernhard Dippold schrieb: Hi David, David Nelson schrieb: Hi, :-) https://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/designers/ needs some more convincing explanations and arguments to attract graphic/UX/UI designers than "We need designers" :-D I saw this page and marked it already to work on during my rail travel tomorrow (more than 8 hours...) [...] I will not have Internet access tomorrow, so I won't be able to upload any content before I'm at home again. But I'll try to draft some content and upload it later... Thanks for putting Christoph's proposal up! Nevertheless I spent some time during my trip, so I want to share the result with you. Perhaps one or another phrase would be reasonable to integrate... (The present text looks quite UX focused to me) --- very simple HTML content --- "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd";> Make it just work, and look great, too! Design provides the visual basis for any tool. In addition to the factual content it is able to transport usability, quality and emotions. Using LibreOffice people shall be able to turn their ideas into documents by creating, editing and sharing any kind of information. With the feature-rich office suite this doesn't need to be complicated. We want to provide our users with an application that fulfills their needs in an easy and joyful way: Make it just work, and look great, too! The LibreOffice Design Team dedicates it's skills and creativity to improving LibreOffice by visual means, inside the office suite, in user interaction and at any place where the product or the community behind it is visible in public. Our team consists of professionals and ambitious amateurs in several areas. If you're interested in any of the following topics and want to share and improve your knowledge by working collaboratively in an active and friendly team, don't hesitate to http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/design>have a look! User Experience: User Experience (short:UX) considers the user's point-of-view even before and also during the use of LibreOffice. It aims for productivity, usability and enjoyment and targets both the website and the software. Share your interest in or available knowledge concerning research, design and evaluation methods with us, provide us with insight from user support and training to identify essential requirements and important areas for improvement. If you're interested in looking beyond your personal surroundings and directly related target groups, this is the place you are looking for... Visual Identity Design: Visual identity design is about creating stunning artwork for every place, where LibreOffice is represented by visual means: inside the LibreOffice suite, on the website, by documentation and marketing material. Wherever people notice LibreOffice, they should recognize it by our qualitative and consistent artwork and graphics - our branding. If you want your artwork to become part of our visual branding language, if you are interested in working collaboratively on the graphics representing our whole community - join us and have fun! Accessibility: Accessibility is about to make the software usable for everyone - people with and without disabilities. It considers applicable laws and required technologies to achieve this challenging goal. Tight interaction between users and developers is needed here even more than in other topics. Interest and experience in this important area are very valuable. Share them with us! Consequently, if you want to work on improvements that target both the community and the our large end-user base, then the Design Team is the right place for you. If you want to know more, please visit the href=http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design> Design Team wiki page. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons: More time for improvements...
Hi all, Bernhard - thanks for the summary and providing the recent status. It was quite impossible for me to report back - sorry for that! Am Sonntag, den 23.01.2011, 14:01 -0500 schrieb Jaron Kuppers: > Hi Bernhard, all, > > :-( Oh well... I appreciate how much people tried to push it through. Sometimes you don't know why it is good for :-) And since also Thorsten spend the whole night to export and to integrate them properly, it just feels much better ;-))) > Thanks to those people for their work. Perhaps the code people might even > take this opportunity to change the code a little to consolidate references > to icons in the code. As I haven't looked at any code I have no idea how > bad it is so I hope its not too much work for them as I realize they are > quite busy. I know that some people really want to make this happen, but it will take a lot of time - most of the icon sets use different names and folder structure. So we need to be patient. By the way, I've added a section "Source Code Integration" to the wiki page. There, you find the names of the files, and the bug that allows to track the integration status. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/LibreOffice_Initial_Icons#Source_Code_Integration Within the bug description, Thorsten already posted an early screenshot (with a missing Math Icon - one of the issue that made us worry about the release quality if we cannot thoroughly check the icons in LibO): http://users.freedesktop.org/~thorsten/libo-icons.png > We should treat this as a good opportunity to finalize the icons and make > them look really polished. Absolutely! And I'm thankful that you expressed that :-) Cheers, Christoph > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Bernhard Dippold < > bernh...@familie-dippold.at> wrote: > > > I want to thank all of you who spent their time in these designs and > > comments - it is a great experience to have the chance of working really > > collaboratively in a team! > > Yes! It has been very fun to have such a collaborative project! I am glad > so many people have been participating. > > Cheers, > Jaron > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Kicking Off the LibreOffice Design Team
Hi Chrtoph, all On 22-01-2011 22:18, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi all! [...] Originally, I've planned to send out the invitations today, but since David asked for some content for the "Get Involved - Designers" Site [1], this text [2] might be re-usable for the request. So I'd like to wait for David's / your comments until tomorrow ... The firt time I saw this page my enthusiasm waned a bit... :( I thought if the other pages (developers, etc) were this way too... And it was bad to see that all they was so encouraging and full of interesting content, and only the designers page is so, you know, empty and cold. Now it's actually great to see the interest to write some words in this page, 'cause motivation is essential to make people want to join us! :D @ Paulo: "Raised hands! And feets too!" So, a usability professional that can also fly? :-) Theis is the kind of things that we don't learn in highschool... :P To be honest, great summary concerning the dialog you've made - with regard to the short time. Of course, some things might stay or need tweaking (because of: constraints, use cases, ...), but great start! Thank you! I'm really excited to resume the progress in this topic, or even related issues. But I'm waiting for a community decision on which projects that we should get envolved from now, which are our priorities. I'm begining to realise how things works better when we have goals looking at the big picture. See you all -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Hi everybody!
Hi Berhnard! We're looking forward to working with you! Welcome here on the list! :D Me too about workin with you all. :D Thank you! Not everybody here has the possibility to work with Photoshop, so we try to rely mainly on tools like Inkscape and GIMP. Yeah, me too for now. When I migrate to Ubuntu, I stoped to work with Photoshop and dedicate myselft totaly to Gimp, and I'm in love! No talking about Inkscape, the best vector tool I ever seen! I don't know if you already thought of licensing your work. We're part of an open source community and therefore we recommend to provide our graphical contributions under a open source license too. To ease your work you don't need to describe the license you want and provide a link to it when you upload any file to the wiki. At the bottom of the upload page you can choose among different license templates to be added to your contribution. Yeah, I like to publish my work under the Creative Commons license, allowing derivate work when it's possible. And I'm happy to see this native support in the LibO's wiki. For artwork and design drafts that might become a basis for inclusion in the LibreOffice source code (like the icons we're working on at the moment) we recommend to use the triple license CC by-sa, LGPL 3+ and MPL 1.1. Other artwork can be licensed under CC by-sa only (or any other license you choose), but my personal position is, that this triple license seems to cover all probable use-cases of my work, so I use it for any of my contributions. Thank you for the advise. I began to work on some 256px icons from the Christoph version, but I am not achieving to keep the original style, so I'll try again and share if I get sucess. Sorry, if this sounds confusing, but I thought, it would be reasonable to tell you in advance... Nothing confusing, these tips about licensing was very welcome.. I'm sure we can have a lot of fun and work together on all the upcoming tasks in UX/UI, visual design and branding - don't by shy to comment / criticize any mockups presented here: We strongly believe that collaborative work will lead to even better results than individual contribution. I'm sure that I will love to stay here with you all and this is the colaborative spirit I want to share in my whole life! :D Thank you for this warm welcome! Regards! -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Step 1 - Re: [libreoffice-design] Kicking Off the LibreOffice Design Team
Hi all, just a short status update concerning our kick-off. Due to the text revised by David and Jaron, I was able to quickly "publish" an invitation to our community. Thanks! @ Bernhard: Sorry, I've just missed your proposals concerning the text - so it is the "old" version :-\ Am Freitag, den 21.01.2011, 23:30 +0100 schrieb Christoph Noack: > 1. Invite people who want to join / listen via a blog posting and > on TDF discuss --> nobody should be missed Blog posting (should be available soon via the TDF planet [1]): http://luxate.blogspot.com/2011/01/invitiation-kicking-off-libreoffice.html Mail to the TDF Discuss mailing list: http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss@documentfoundation.org/msg04715.html @ Björn: Do you think it makes sense to circulate this invitiation via OpenUsability.org or similar channels? I don't have that much experience with that ... so I'd like to hear your recommendation. > 2. Summarize the current status of work / collaboration within the > LibreOffice project --> get an overview what happened until now > 3. Do some introduction to get to know each other --> guess why :-) > 4. Collection of thoughts what we do need to organize / to do our > work > 5. Working on the "urgent needs" of our current project --> e.g. > there have been requests to feed the development ;-) > 6. Planning how to collect and to prioritize the future tasks --> > think about what we want to archive mid- and long-term > 7. Kick of one or more serious projects ... Cheers, Christoph [1] http://planet.documentfoundation.org/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] UX/Visual Design Description (Draft)
I saw just now the new Designers page with the Christoph draft, and it's actually great! Objective, clear and embracing. :D Congrats! ~Paulo On 23-01-2011 18:15, David Nelson wrote: Hi Jaron, :-) I already proofread Christoph's draft and put it on the site, but many thanks anyway. ;-) David Nelson -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Work on the libreoffice.org content - sitrep 2011/01/22
Hi Bernhard, :-) Thanks for this draft. I will find a place to put at least some of it. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Small Icon Artwork Project (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Kicking Off the LibreOffice Design Team)
Hi Paulo, and everyone who is interested as well ... :-) Am Sonntag, den 23.01.2011, 19:28 -0200 schrieb Paulo José: > Hi Chrtoph, all > > On 22-01-2011 22:18, Christoph Noack wrote: > > Hi all! > > > > [...] > The firt time I saw this page my enthusiasm waned a bit... :( I thought > if the other pages (developers, etc) were this way too... And it was bad > to see that all they was so encouraging and full of interesting content, > and only the designers page is so, you know, empty and cold. Now it's > actually great to see the interest to write some words in this page, > 'cause motivation is essential to make people want to join us! :D Absolutely! > Thank you! I'm really excited to resume the progress in this topic, or > even related issues. But I'm waiting for a community decision on which > projects that we should get envolved from now, which are our priorities. > I'm begining to realise how things works better when we have goals > looking at the big picture. Cool, but there might also be a small project that might be interesting for you - to be honest, it is about creating two graphics which will help to resolve a recent issue in LibreOffice. Since you stated that you love design, I thought it might just "fit" :-) A few weeks ago, there has been a discussion on the dev list with some developers. Kohei worked on improvements concerning the "document is changed" status that is shown in the status bar ... instead of using the ancient looking star (*), he used a graphic for that. Unfortunately, this graphic caused to start a discussion ... http://www.mail-archive.com/design@libreoffice.org/msg00087.html Might this be something for you? If yes, then please spend some time on "crawling" the messages that have been linked ... At least, the chances are very high to get that included in LibreOffice very very soon :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeTyme icons - Macro
Hi Jaron! Am Sonntag, den 23.01.2011, 14:17 -0500 schrieb Jaron Kuppers: > Hi Bernhard, > > Looks much nicer with the larger text behind the gear. Rotating the gear > really helps clean up the 16px icon. The only change I would make to the > icon set would be a change to the size of the gear and its location in the > 16px icon. I tried it out real quick here: > http://picasaweb.google.com/JaronBaron/LibreOffice#5565462304015028738 I > think it looks a bit cleaner (gear axle is clearer). Just to present my "nit-picking" side: does this icon still respect the position/size of the application symbols? Even if not, I think it looks much cleaner - we should go for it (for the 16px icon), even if it is a bit different. To me, it is important that all the main application icons are consistent. In this case, the macro icon might rarely be used together with the main application icons - so I really appreciate the improved "readability". > What do people think? I am currently running out the door so I will have to > upload the source later. Bernhard, what do you think? Would be great! Cheers, Christoph > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Bernhard Dippold < > bernh...@familie-dippold.at> wrote: > > > Hi Jaron, all, > > > > Jaron Kuppers schrieb: > > > > I apologize for the double post. > >> > >> In case someone wants to play with the original gear icon I included the > >> svg > >> file: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Gears_in_Macro_Icon.svg > >> It will be easier to use this file to recreate the gear or change it in > >> some > >> way. > >> > > > > Thanks for the source. > > > > I included it in the icon and tried Christoph's proposal to broaden the > > text behind the gear a bit. > > > > Please have a look: > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Macro_icon_proposal.png > > > > (reload to clean cache...) > > > > > > Best regards > > > > Bernhard > > > > -- > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > > design+h...@libreoffice.org > > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > > > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Thanks and Thoughts (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] UX/Visual Design Description (Draft) [...])
Hi Jaron, David, thanks a lot to you both! Well appreciated - at the moment it's much fun to see the site evolve :-) And, I already used the revised text to invite some more people within our community to join the Design Team. David, just a side note: I've noticed the new "Why for ..." pages that provide great content (thanks to the creator, Narayan?). But here some things I've noticed as well: Very similar information is now available for "Features" (LibreOffice) and "Home", and the location "Home" might be misleading for the "Why..." elements. (Example: If the user opened "Get Help" and just sees "Home" as the main menu item, might he think that the "Why" elements are located there?) Furthermore, the link to "See what LibO can do for you" now seems a bit strange. Could you please tell me whether you are still working on that? If not, may I provide some more thoughts (structure, punctuation, outline, links, ...)? Cheers, Christoph Am Montag, den 24.01.2011, 04:15 +0800 schrieb David Nelson: > Hi Jaron, :-) > > I already proofread Christoph's draft and put it on the site, but many > thanks anyway. ;-) > > David Nelson > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeTyme icons - Macro
Hi Christoph, On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: > Hi Jaron! > > Am Sonntag, den 23.01.2011, 14:17 -0500 schrieb Jaron Kuppers: > > Looks much nicer with the larger text behind the gear. Rotating the gear > > really helps clean up the 16px icon. The only change I would make to the > > icon set would be a change to the size of the gear and its location in > the > > 16px icon. I tried it out real quick here: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/JaronBaron/LibreOffice#5565462304015028738 I > > think it looks a bit cleaner (gear axle is clearer). > > Just to present my "nit-picking" side: does this icon still respect the > position/size of the application symbols? > You caught me... not exactly! The other icons don't have elements that exceed 8 px width although some currently have elements only 7 px wide. I stretched that rule a little and made the gear 8.5 px wide. I find bitmaps to be tricky at small scales and a small change can make a world of difference. In this case I had hoped 0.5 pixels could be overlooked for the improved look. :-) As for position there is still a 1 pixel boundary at the bottom of the icon and it is still centered. > Even if not, I think it looks much cleaner - we should go for it (for > the 16px icon), even if it is a bit different. To me, it is important > that all the main application icons are consistent. In this case, the > macro icon might rarely be used together with the main application icons > - so I really appreciate the improved "readability". > Agreed; consistency is important. Therefore if we want, the 8 px wide gear looks 90% as good but follows the rules. Here you can see it for comparison: http://picasaweb.google.com/JaronBaron/LibreOffice#5565517165618886402 (8.5 px left, 8 px right) Cheers, Jaron -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons: More time for improvements...
Hi again, Bernhard Dippold schrieb: Hi all, [...] I included Jaron's and my icon designs in the source file as different layers, so it should contain all the present versions of the icons. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial_Icons_source.svg And I updated the links on the wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/LibreOffice_Initial_Icons#Present_State_of_the_Icon_Design Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: Thanks and Thoughts (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] UX/Visual Design Description (Draft) [...])
Hi, :-) On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 06:42, Christoph Noack wrote: > David, just a side note: I've noticed the new "Why for ..." pages that > provide great content (thanks to the creator, Narayan?). Yes, Narayan's been doing a lot of work with me over the past few days, and looks set to become one of the key site maintainers. He has a very good eye for detail, and it's really great to work with him. :-) > But here some > things I've noticed as well: Very similar information is now available > for "Features" (LibreOffice) and "Home", and the location "Home" might > be misleading for the "Why..." elements. (Example: If the user opened > "Get Help" and just sees "Home" as the main menu item, might he think > that the "Why" elements are located there?) I'm not sure I really understand what you mean, Christoph. I think we can clarify things at the confcall, where explanations will be much easier... > Furthermore, the link to > "See what LibO can do for you" now seems a bit strange. Why does it seem strange? it seems like a good lead-in to me... :-( > Could you please tell me whether you are still working on that? If not, > may I provide some more thoughts (structure, punctuation, outline, > links, ...)? It's true that we're still at work. I wouldn't like to do any major restructuring at this time. a) It's been carefully thought out, and b) there's still a lot of work to do on other things that should get finished ASAP. Moving things like the Why? pages would be difficult, and - IMHO - they're good right where they are... :-( But do feel free to make comments, and they'll be looked at objectively. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons - Macro
Hi Jaron, Christoph, Jaron Kuppers schrieb: Hi Christoph, On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Christoph Noackwrote: Hi Jaron! [...] Just to present my "nit-picking" side: does this icon still respect the position/size of the application symbols? You caught me... not exactly! The other icons don't have elements that exceed 8 px width although some currently have elements only 7 px wide. The source contains a hidden layer containing the area Christoph mentions. I stretched that rule a little and made the gear 8.5 px wide. I find bitmaps to be tricky at small scales and a small change can make a world of difference. In this case I had hoped 0.5 pixels could be overlooked for the improved look. :-) As for position there is still a 1 pixel boundary at the bottom of the icon and it is still centered. I'd prefer to stay consistent, but the visual impression might be more important than single pixels. Even if not, I think it looks much cleaner - we should go for it (for the 16px icon), even if it is a bit different. To me, it is important that all the main application icons are consistent. In this case, the macro icon might rarely be used together with the main application icons - so I really appreciate the improved "readability". Agreed; consistency is important. Therefore if we want, the 8 px wide gear looks 90% as good but follows the rules. Here you can see it for comparison: http://picasaweb.google.com/JaronBaron/LibreOffice#5565517165618886402 (8.5 px left, 8 px right) I like the larger gear wheel - but not because it's half a pixel wider, but because the symbol's borders are sharper. But looking at the source Christoph defined the maximum symbol size as 8px width and 7px height. While my present version is smaller (don't really know why) I exported a version with the maximum height (becoming 7,4 px wide): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Macro_16px.png Comparing the three ones your wheels look darker - did you go away from the grey gradient already used on the borders (if not, it's a resizing problem here...)? The 8.5 wheel is still the sharpest, but I don't see much difference between 8 and 7 - except the different color. In my eyes it depends on our interest in staying consistent: If we want to stay consistent, we should use the 7px (7.4px) version - as the macro icon will not be used very often, there might be just a few people noticing the icon at all. If we want to provide the visually better icons, I'd go for 8.5 px (even if there is no background between wheel and border). My personal preference is staying with the standard (showing that we follow our own rules), but this preference is quite weak... Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] Contributing
Hi! I'm responding to Christoph's invitation on the tdf-discuss list. My area of interest is user support and training; I'm now on the documentation team, and I've been quite active on the user list for OOo for several years. My background is in designing and implementing software and training for projects like satellite command and control, though all mainframe-based. Think I can be helpful here? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] Proposal: Redesign the Windows installer
Okay, this might be tricky given the fact that we use Windows Installer (MSI and such), but I kinda find the LibreOffice installer to be a little plain looking, and given that it seems like we're trying to distance ourselves from the look of "that other free office suite", I think it could use a new paint job. Note, when I say new paintjob, I kinda mean a stylistic overhaul. What I'm proposing, is that we re-design the wizard to break away from the old "Wizard 97" style of design that we're using now, and shift more towards the style of wizard layout that Windows Vista began to use (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa511302.aspx and http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa511260.aspx for info) Now note, despite the fact that I am proposing this style of layout, we should still do it in a way that is backwards compatible with the previous versions of the OS too. Thankfully, the designers did make a graceful fallback for the classic theme (there is a regular titlebar, and the back button appears in the main window alongside the page heading), so I'm taking it to my advantage. After the installer launches (maybe we should find a way to lose that extraction "wrapper" somehow too in the process, or at least theme it to look like what we'll be doing here), the start screen would be a little different since Aero Wizards discourage "welcome" screens unless there is a lot of things to know on startup or there is a function on it. Thus, I have made it the "select installation type" screen in my mockup. I may also move down the buttons to squeeze in the LibreOffice logo in between just so it doesn't look blank. (see http://ploader.net/files/0be576d5c9d6b605a7ec4188d77f2d1c.png) I'm working on mockups for the other screens, but they would be along this line (take the file association screen): http://ploader.net/files/a1a2f2c4a97eb33da1aec77d4a9035eb.png Notice the slightly different wording, the now-active back button, and the general ideas here. I wanna keep most of the workflow intact, but update it to a more clear and concise look. Now, when we actually theme this, it wouldn't look like a typical Aero wizard, it would have a design similar to our web design style (the triangle motif, plain looking buttons, etc), and it would just use a normal window frame (not the "enlarged" one real implementations use) I am working on more mockups for this right now, so don't worry, you will get a full workflow of this soon. And, in response to concerns that a installer this glitzy would be unprofessional, do note that this is gonna be based off HIG's that Microsoft has put out for what everyone should begin to be using, and that even worse, the Office 2010 installer doesn't follow a single word of this. ~Shawn -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons: More time for improvements...
HI all, I had playing with Christoph's icon set last day, trying to make the 256px version for some icons. I made icons to Writer, Calc, Impress, Draw and Base. My style is a little different, so I also made [few] changes in the background "document" to make sure they "fit"... :) For decrease the SVG file size (1.5MB), I saved the file in the Compressed Inkscape Format (SVGZ - 116KB). But the wiki uploader don't allow this filetype, so I uploaded the normal SVG file... :/ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial_Icons-Paulo.svg I hope you like them. Commentaries and critiques are welcome :). I hope also we can complete all steps said by Berhnard and may release the new icons in LibreOffice 3.3.1. :D Regards, ~Paulo On 23-01-2011 13:57, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi all, the MimeType icons didn't make it in RC 4, even if Christoph and Thorsten Behrens tried very hard to make it happen. Unfortunately the icons are spread among a multitude of places inside the OpenOffice.org source code, so it was impossible to replace all appearances of the icons. Without thorough testing it would have been very likely that there would stay some old icons or appear broken links. As such an appearance would have caused a less professional impression than staying with the present icons it has been decided to leave them out of this Release Candidate. If there will be another stopper, leading to a fifth RC, this might be reconsidered, but at the moment it is planned to include them in LibreOffice 3.3.1 - giving more importance to the next version that should be released in one or two months... For a realistic planning I think we have about two or three weeks to finalize the icons, giving us (probably) enough time to test the improvements we had to postpone because of the short timeframe. I included Jaron's and my icon designs in the source file as different layers, so it should contain all the present versions of the icons. I want to thank all of you who spent their time in these designs and comments - it is a great experience to have the chance of working really collaboratively in a team! Let's finalize the icons, include them in the source and have it tested for LibreOffice 3.3.1. I think we can be really proud of the work we already did and we keep on doing! Make it just work, and look great, too! Best regards Bernhard -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
RE: [libreoffice-website] Thanks and Thoughts (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] UX/Visual Design Description (Draft) [...])
Hi Christoph, How on earth did you find out so soon, it was me? :) We finished the first round yesterday night. Both David and I have the same habit: We brush up the content in several passes, and keep doing it till it is perfected. Now that we are in the SEO-optimization phase, this habit is going to be very useful! :) But the point is that the site is ready for the launch. No missing content or links. All the required sections fully completed. The SEO-optimization will continue for the next 2-3 months. @Duplication: Sometimes the same information is "almost" replicated in different pages, because some people search for a specific combination, and the combination of page title, meta tags and content has to show up in search engines. That's why we have to provide different combination. Similarly, right now the description looks "to the point". But after we analyze the Google page rankings, we may have to repeat the same information in equivalent terms (on the same page or multiple pages), so that their ranking goes up. This would result in a page that looks a bit odd to the reader. But finally we need more people to land on the page through search engines, so such deliberate repetition is unavoidable. @location of "why" pages: Logically, the reader should come across "why Libreoffice" right AFTER "what is LibreOffice?". So we may have to rearrange this. David? Regards, Narayan > Subject: [libreoffice-website] Thanks and Thoughts (was: Re: > [libreoffice-design] UX/Visual Design Description (Draft) [...]) > From: christ...@dogmatux.com > To: webs...@libreoffice.org > CC: design@libreoffice.org > Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 23:42:20 +0100 > > Hi Jaron, David, > > thanks a lot to you both! Well appreciated - at the moment it's much fun > to see the site evolve :-) And, I already used the revised text to > invite some more people within our community to join the Design Team. > > David, just a side note: I've noticed the new "Why for ..." pages that > provide great content (thanks to the creator, Narayan?). But here some > things I've noticed as well: Very similar information is now available > for "Features" (LibreOffice) and "Home", and the location "Home" might > be misleading for the "Why..." elements. (Example: If the user opened > "Get Help" and just sees "Home" as the main menu item, might he think > that the "Why" elements are located there?) Furthermore, the link to > "See what LibO can do for you" now seems a bit strange. > > Could you please tell me whether you are still working on that? If not, > may I provide some more thoughts (structure, punctuation, outline, > links, ...)? > > Cheers, > Christoph > > Am Montag, den 24.01.2011, 04:15 +0800 schrieb David Nelson: > > Hi Jaron, :-) > > > > I already proofread Christoph's draft and put it on the site, but many > > thanks anyway. ;-) > > > > David Nelson > > > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons: More time for improvements...
Hey Paulo, they look grate :) It's only that I see on Base Icons another Shiny rounded glow. Which is not on all. On draw you have a linear glow. Impress has no glow at all, but this awesome outstanding look (My Favorite). Writer has no glow at all, but you made some nice details on the image. I think in comparison to the rest is a little bit too much details. But I'm for letting the details stay and add some little touches (don't ask me which) so the Icons will have the same amount of "details" (Yes even in a smaller version you can add some details to de Base 128version - this shiny thing.) Mike On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 02:50:37 -0200, Paulo José wrote: > HI all, > > I had playing with Christoph's icon set last day, trying to make the > 256px version for some icons. I made > icons to Writer, Calc, Impress, Draw and Base. My style is a little > different, so I also made [few] changes in the background "document" to > make sure they "fit"... :) > > For decrease the SVG file size (1.5MB), I saved the file in the > Compressed Inkscape Format (SVGZ - 116KB). But the wiki uploader don't > allow this filetype, so I uploaded the normal SVG file... :/ > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial_Icons-Paulo.svg > > I hope you like them. Commentaries and critiques are welcome :). I hope > also we can complete all steps said by Berhnard and may release the new > icons in LibreOffice 3.3.1. :D > > Regards, > ~Paulo > > > On 23-01-2011 13:57, Bernhard Dippold wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> the MimeType icons didn't make it in RC 4, even if Christoph and >> Thorsten Behrens tried very hard to make it happen. >> >> Unfortunately the icons are spread among a multitude of places inside >> the OpenOffice.org source code, so it was impossible to replace all >> appearances of the icons. Without thorough testing it would have been >> very likely that there would stay some old icons or appear broken links. >> >> As such an appearance would have caused a less professional impression >> than staying with the present icons it has been decided to leave them >> out of this Release Candidate. >> >> If there will be another stopper, leading to a fifth RC, this might be >> reconsidered, but at the moment it is planned to include them in >> LibreOffice 3.3.1 - giving more importance to the next version that >> should be released in one or two months... >> >> For a realistic planning I think we have about two or three weeks to >> finalize the icons, giving us (probably) enough time to test the >> improvements we had to postpone because of the short timeframe. >> >> I included Jaron's and my icon designs in the source file as different >> layers, so it should contain all the present versions of the icons. >> >> I want to thank all of you who spent their time in these designs and >> comments - it is a great experience to have the chance of working >> really collaboratively in a team! >> >> Let's finalize the icons, include them in the source and have it >> tested for LibreOffice 3.3.1. I think we can be really proud of the >> work we already did and we keep on doing! >> >> Make it just work, and look great, too! >> >> Best regards >> >> Bernhard >> > > > -- > Paulo José O. Amaro > Computer Science Student > Federal University of São João del-Rei > WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior > Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Vegur font
Hi, I am sending the latest version. I don't work with light version any more, I ported it to medium and I have been working with it. I included .otf and fontforge file. Hillar 2011/1/23 Jaron Kuppers > Hi Hillar, all, > > I worked on a font once a long time ago so I could perhaps assist in the > process but would be reluctant to take a leading role in the continued > development of the font. Is there a list of "desired" characters for the > font? If not I could start a page on developing the Vegur to create the > remaining characters. Chances are most missing characters will be easy to > create (ex: 'ñ' = '~' + 'n') plus the outline for the font is pretty > straight forward. > > Cheers, > Jaron > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Bernhard Dippold < > bernh...@familie-dippold.at> wrote: > > > Hi Hillar, all, > > > > Hillar Liiv schrieb: > > > > Hello! > >> > >> If You want Vegur be default font then we need to make missing > characters. > >> I > >> made some of them (included light version only), > >> > > > > That's just great! Thanks for starting this task. > > > > > > these needs to be reviewed. > >> > > > > I've never worked on fonts - but perhaps anybody else? > > > > > > Some important characters are not done yet. > >> > >> Is somebody else working with Vegur? > >> > > > > I'm not aware of anybody. > > > > > > Who is author of original Vegur font? > > > > It's Arro @ dotcolon.net > > > > I contacted him last year when we sought an official OOo font. > > > > He replied: > > > > "At present, update is not scheduled. Please make to the outline and use > > it. There is no problem even if it freely customizes it." > > > > Best regards > > > > Bernhard > > > > PS: You used version 0.602 from the dotcolon website as basis? > > > > > > -- > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > > design+h...@libreoffice.org > > > > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > > > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > design+h...@libreoffice.org > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
