Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Cover design for printed LibreOffice user guides

2011-07-05 Thread drew
On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 00:17 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> 
> 
> Sorry - different things to do :-(
> 
> I don't have lots of other comments.
> 
> I agree that the logo might be more prominent in order to have a larger 
> "LibreOffice" text on the cover, but I would keep the logo intact as 
> this is our main branding element.
> 
> You probably tried already to have the full mimetype icons instead of 
> just the symbols - this would be the only way I imagine with this design 
> to include the sub-applications colors to the covers without becoming 
> too prominent.
> 
> But these are not very important considerations. Your design looks good 
> - there is no reason at all to veto it: Please go ahead!


Alright - well, I hope to get some time on it tomorrow. You know, one
thing that would be nice. If someone took just that the scatter pattern
file, and added the few outlying, application colored, corner pieces -
per the commercial box design. I don't quite know my away around the
shading/masking/what-not functions in Inkscape, yet. 

Anyway, @jean - I will put an email here after uploading what I have
tomorrow night.

//drew



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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Cover design for printed LibreOffice user guides

2011-07-05 Thread Bernhard Dippold

Hi Drew, Jean, all

I'm really sorry, that I didn't comment on this design earlier.
I had started to move something similar to the OpenSourcePress design to 
SVG, but my laptop decided to boil (Ubuntu fan control sucks) and all my 
work was gone...


Jean Hollis Weber schrieb:

On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 09:22 -0400, drew wrote:

[...]

Hi Jean,

Well, couldn't resist touching this one time over morning coffee.
Decoupled the document icon from the textual part and put both no a
growth hormone, also rolled back the color jab on the scatter patter as
it was kaka (technical term for sucked)...you can see in the latest file

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lib0WriterGuideSimple.png
[...]



The large gray LibO icon in the upper right-hand corner seems a bit of a
harsh contrast to the rest of the image. It might work if smaller, or in
a different color or something.


I assume you removed the document icon from the logo in order to enlarge 
the "LibreOffice" text, which really seems a bit small on the other 
covers on the wiki gallery 
(http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Gallery_DocumentationFronts).


But I don't like this icon in this place and size either - it looks too 
bold in my eyes.


[...]

Doesn't look like anyone else has had time to look at this and coment.


Sorry - different things to do :-(

I don't have lots of other comments.

I agree that the logo might be more prominent in order to have a larger 
"LibreOffice" text on the cover, but I would keep the logo intact as 
this is our main branding element.


You probably tried already to have the full mimetype icons instead of 
just the symbols - this would be the only way I imagine with this design 
to include the sub-applications colors to the covers without becoming 
too prominent.


But these are not very important considerations. Your design looks good 
- there is no reason at all to veto it: Please go ahead!


And thanks for stepping in!

Best regards

Bernhard

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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Cover design for printed LibreOffice user guides

2011-07-03 Thread Jean Weber
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 06:19, Sveinn í Felli  wrote:
> Þann sun  3.júl 2011 00:16, skrifaði Jean Hollis Weber:
>>
>> Drew,
>>
>>
>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:GettingStartedGuideFrontCoverSimple.zip
>>
>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:User-guide-covers-bits.zip
>>
>>
>> I finally made time to look at your files, and both of them gave this
>> error message when I tried to open them in Archive Manager (Ubuntu 11.04
>> Classic):
>>
> -
>>
>> I don't what all that means, except something may be wrong with your zip
>> file, or it went weird when downloaded from the wiki.
>>
>> --Jean
>>
>
> Opens correctly with Gnome Archive on Mint 10, also Ark and FileRoller on
> OpenSuse 11.4. Both by opening directly and after saving to disk.
>
> Sveinn í Felli
>


I'll try downloading them again and see if that solves the problem. Thanks.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Cover design for printed LibreOffice user guides

2011-07-03 Thread Sveinn í Felli

Þann sun  3.júl 2011 00:16, skrifaði Jean Hollis Weber:

Drew,

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:GettingStartedGuideFrontCoverSimple.zip

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:User-guide-covers-bits.zip


I finally made time to look at your files, and both of them gave this
error message when I tried to open them in Archive Manager (Ubuntu 11.04
Classic):


-

I don't what all that means, except something may be wrong with your zip
file, or it went weird when downloaded from the wiki.

--Jean



Opens correctly with Gnome Archive on Mint 10, also Ark and 
FileRoller on OpenSuse 11.4. Both by opening directly and 
after saving to disk.


Sveinn í Felli


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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Cover design for printed LibreOffice user guides

2011-07-02 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 09:22 -0400, drew wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 21:23 -0400, drew wrote:
> > On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 10:45 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > > Could you make the little graphics available, so I can play around with
> > > variations to this design myself? No need to upload all the xcf's at
> > > this point; I can use the Getting Started one as a base.
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Jean,
> 
> Well, couldn't resist touching this one time over morning coffee.
> Decoupled the document icon from the textual part and put both no a
> growth hormone, also rolled back the color jab on the scatter patter as
> it was kaka (technical term for sucked)...you can see in the latest file
> 
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lib0WriterGuideSimple.png
> 
> 
> Added the two new graphic files (doc-icon-2in.png, logo-5in.png) into
> the zip file and updated that
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:User-guide-covers-bits.zip
> 
> And with that I'm off to other things for the day.


The large gray LibO icon in the upper right-hand corner seems a bit of a
harsh contrast to the rest of the image. It might work if smaller, or in
a different color or something.

I was going to play around with some ideas, but I couldn't get your zip
files to open (as reported in a previous note).

Doesn't look like anyone else has had time to look at this and coment.

--Jean


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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Cover design for printed LibreOffice user guides

2011-07-02 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
Drew,

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:GettingStartedGuideFrontCoverSimple.zip

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:User-guide-covers-bits.zip


I finally made time to look at your files, and both of them gave this
error message when I tried to open them in Archive Manager (Ubuntu 11.04
Classic):

Archive:  /home/jeanweber/Documents/LibreOffice
Docs/User-guide-covers-bits.zip
[/home/jeanweber/Documents/LibreOffice Docs/User-guide-covers-bits.zip]
  End-of-central-directory signature not found.  Either this file is not
  a zipfile, or it constitutes one disk of a multi-part archive.  In the
  latter case the central directory and zipfile comment will be found on
  the last disk(s) of this archive.
zipinfo:  cannot find zipfile directory in one
of /home/jeanweber/Documents/LibreOffice Docs/User-guide-covers-bits.zip
or
/home/jeanweber/Documents/LibreOfficeDocs/User-guide-covers-bits.zip.zip 
and cannot find /home/jeanweber/Documents/LibreOffice
Docs/User-guide-covers-bits.zip.ZIP, period.

I don't what all that means, except something may be wrong with your zip
file, or it went weird when downloaded from the wiki.

--Jean


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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Cover design for printed LibreOffice user guides

2011-06-23 Thread drew
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 21:23 -0400, drew wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 10:45 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:



> > Could you make the little graphics available, so I can play around with
> > variations to this design myself? No need to upload all the xcf's at
> > this point; I can use the Getting Started one as a base.



Hi Jean,

Well, couldn't resist touching this one time over morning coffee.
Decoupled the document icon from the textual part and put both no a
growth hormone, also rolled back the color jab on the scatter patter as
it was kaka (technical term for sucked)...you can see in the latest file

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lib0WriterGuideSimple.png


Added the two new graphic files (doc-icon-2in.png, logo-5in.png) into
the zip file and updated that
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:User-guide-covers-bits.zip

And with that I'm off to other things for the day.

Best wishes,

//drew



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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Cover design for printed LibreOffice user guides

2011-06-22 Thread drew
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 10:45 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:

> 
> I don't think the gray (white with high transparency?) box at the bottom
> is an improvement. Even though the blue graphic might look "lurid" to
> me, IMO the design looks better overall without the gray box. The larger
> type for the guide name is good, though possibly a tad too large.
> 
> Could you make the little graphics available, so I can play around with
> variations to this design myself? No need to upload all the xcf's at
> this point; I can use the Getting Started one as a base.

Absolutely.

Check the writer guide draft once more - if you are still seeing a
rectangle then be sure to clear your cache.
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lib0WriterGuideSimple.png

I've put the .xcf file with the last changes and the PNG files I created
for these into a zip file here:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:User-guide-covers-bits.zip

Let's see only issue might be fonts, the title is using the M+ 2p Super
Bold font. (Think I got that name right)

Best wishes,

//drew




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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Cover design for printed LibreOffice user guides

2011-06-22 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 18:39 -0400, drew wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 18:05 -0400, drew wrote:
> > On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 07:15 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
> 
> > 
> > And here is a slight variation of the Writer Guide cover then, with an
> > eye to your comments:
> > 
> 
> Pushed one last update to this file, for today
> 
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lib0WriterGuideSimple.png
> 
> Slight change to the inset area..


I don't think the gray (white with high transparency?) box at the bottom
is an improvement. Even though the blue graphic might look "lurid" to
me, IMO the design looks better overall without the gray box. The larger
type for the guide name is good, though possibly a tad too large.

Could you make the little graphics available, so I can play around with
variations to this design myself? No need to upload all the xcf's at
this point; I can use the Getting Started one as a base.

Thanks!

--Jean


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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Cover design for printed LibreOffice user guides

2011-06-22 Thread drew
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 18:05 -0400, drew wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 07:15 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:

> 
> And here is a slight variation of the Writer Guide cover then, with an
> eye to your comments:
> 

Pushed one last update to this file, for today

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lib0WriterGuideSimple.png

Slight change to the inset area..

Ciao,

//drew


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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Cover design for printed LibreOffice user guides

2011-06-22 Thread drew
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 07:15 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 16:32 -0400, drew wrote:
> > On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 04:03 -0400, drew wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 12:19 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> > > > Hi Jean, all,
> > > > 
> > > > Jean Hollis Weber schrieb:
> > > > > On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 08:14 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
> > > > >> On Sat, 2011-05-21 at 16:35 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> > > > >>> [...]
> > 
> > > A very simple start:
> > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:GettingStartedGuideFrontCoverSimple.png
> > > 
> > > Note I dropped in a sub-title, in this case for Chapter 1. I did not use
> > > a very high compression setting on the PNG file, as this is for an
> > > example.
> > > 
> > > Jean had asked for a GIMP compatible file and the wiki will not
> > > accept .xcf files, so wrapped that in a zip file, here:
> > > 
> > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:GettingStartedGuideFrontCoverSimple.zip
> > > 
> > > As I say - it is quite simple.
> > > 
> > 
> > Staying with the KISS principle:
> > 
> > Took the simple file, above, as the base, then adorning with graphical
> > element for the specific guide.
> > 
> > With the graphic would go where the sub-title is in the example.
> > 
> > Sound reasonable?
> > 
> > Alright - I see 4 guides that need covers.
> > 
> > Getting Started
> > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lib0GettingStartedGuideSimple.png
> > 
> > Writer
> > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lib0WriterGuideSimple.png
> > 
> > Calc
> > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lib0CalcGuideSimple.png
> > 
> > Math
> > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lib0MathGuideSimple.png
> > 
> > Did not push the source files for the moment, but they are separate
> > files also.
> > 
> > Thanks it for now,
> 
> 
> Thanks, Drew! Great start. BTW, Impress and Draw guides are coming
> soon. ;-)
> 
> Comments:
> (1) I like the icon-like symbols below the name of the guide, although
> the one for Writer seems a bit lurid with the blue against the green
> background. 

> (2) I would prefer the name of the guide to be a lot larger, though
> perhaps that's not necessary with the symbols. Will be interested to
> hear others' reactions.

> (3) I don't envision using these as title pages on individual published
> chapters, but only on covers of compiled books. However, a lower-res
> (and thus much smaller file size) version might work for chapters.

Yes - I thought about the lower res version for chapters - I would
generate each of the different graphics at say 90dpi and the the final
at same, and a much higher compression rate on the final. 

> Something for the docs team to think about!

And here is a slight variation of the Writer Guide cover then, with an
eye to your comments:

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lib0WriterGuideSimple.png

//drew



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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Cover design for printed LibreOffice user guides

2011-06-22 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 16:32 -0400, drew wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 04:03 -0400, drew wrote:
> > On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 12:19 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> > > Hi Jean, all,
> > > 
> > > Jean Hollis Weber schrieb:
> > > > On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 08:14 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
> > > >> On Sat, 2011-05-21 at 16:35 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> > > >>> [...]
> 
> > A very simple start:
> > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:GettingStartedGuideFrontCoverSimple.png
> > 
> > Note I dropped in a sub-title, in this case for Chapter 1. I did not use
> > a very high compression setting on the PNG file, as this is for an
> > example.
> > 
> > Jean had asked for a GIMP compatible file and the wiki will not
> > accept .xcf files, so wrapped that in a zip file, here:
> > 
> > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:GettingStartedGuideFrontCoverSimple.zip
> > 
> > As I say - it is quite simple.
> > 
> 
> Staying with the KISS principle:
> 
> Took the simple file, above, as the base, then adorning with graphical
> element for the specific guide.
> 
> With the graphic would go where the sub-title is in the example.
> 
> Sound reasonable?
> 
> Alright - I see 4 guides that need covers.
> 
> Getting Started
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lib0GettingStartedGuideSimple.png
> 
> Writer
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lib0WriterGuideSimple.png
> 
> Calc
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lib0CalcGuideSimple.png
> 
> Math
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lib0MathGuideSimple.png
> 
> Did not push the source files for the moment, but they are separate
> files also.
> 
> Thanks it for now,


Thanks, Drew! Great start. BTW, Impress and Draw guides are coming
soon. ;-)

Comments:
(1) I like the icon-like symbols below the name of the guide, although
the one for Writer seems a bit lurid with the blue against the green
background. 
(2) I would prefer the name of the guide to be a lot larger, though
perhaps that's not necessary with the symbols. Will be interested to
hear others' reactions.
(3) I don't envision using these as title pages on individual published
chapters, but only on covers of compiled books. However, a lower-res
(and thus much smaller file size) version might work for chapters.
Something for the docs team to think about!

If I can find time, I'll play around with the xcf and see if I can come
up with a variation.

--Jean


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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Cover design for printed LibreOffice user guides

2011-06-22 Thread drew
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 04:03 -0400, drew wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 12:19 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> > Hi Jean, all,
> > 
> > Jean Hollis Weber schrieb:
> > > On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 08:14 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 2011-05-21 at 16:35 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> > >>> [...]

> A very simple start:
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:GettingStartedGuideFrontCoverSimple.png
> 
> Note I dropped in a sub-title, in this case for Chapter 1. I did not use
> a very high compression setting on the PNG file, as this is for an
> example.
> 
> Jean had asked for a GIMP compatible file and the wiki will not
> accept .xcf files, so wrapped that in a zip file, here:
> 
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:GettingStartedGuideFrontCoverSimple.zip
> 
> As I say - it is quite simple.
> 

Staying with the KISS principle:

Took the simple file, above, as the base, then adorning with graphical
element for the specific guide.

With the graphic would go where the sub-title is in the example.

Sound reasonable?

Alright - I see 4 guides that need covers.

Getting Started
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lib0GettingStartedGuideSimple.png

Writer
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lib0WriterGuideSimple.png

Calc
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lib0CalcGuideSimple.png

Math
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lib0MathGuideSimple.png

Did not push the source files for the moment, but they are separate
files also.

Thanks it for now,

//drew




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