Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Aaron Wolf]

On 12/10/2015 02:43 PM, Diana Connolly wrote:
> Hi guys, I've called the company and am waiting to hear back from them.
> I really think the shirt you mentioned looks great, it's a nice light
> weight 100% cotton and it comes in styles for both men and women. They
> don't have an oatmeal, but they have a heathered grey. There is also a
> completely awesome "heavy metal" color. And of course, white.
> When they call me back, I'll check to see about the cost of multiple
> shirt colors. One thing that would be nice to know, however, is what
> sizes? I realize that's a tough one, perhaps they can give some advice
> on that.
> 
> Here's a link for anyone who would like to see the colors of the shirts:
> 
> http://www.brandbookonline.com/cgi-bin/brand/site.w?location=olc/cobrand-product.w=3==3600=no=main=04=52092
> 
> Diana
> 

Well, for sizes, we can do some estimates for extras, but my plan has
been to reach out to people expecting shirts and find out what sizes
they want along with the design options depending on which we end up
offering.

As I said, I have the shirt that Eric mentioned from the conference he
ran, and it stands out as actually the best t-shirt I own at all.

Anyway, for colors, based on that site, I agree we shouldn't do plain
white. I could see the current dark-blue ink designs on: Warm Gray,
Sand, Light Gray, Heather Gray, Cream… I think my preference would be
Heather Gray.

I would like to avoid the work of making a dark-shirt design, but I
could see Indigo or Midnight Navy.

I'll await thoughts from other folks, and, Diana, happy to get your
thoughts. If it were up to me to just do something immediately, I think
I'd just go with the current designs with the dark blue images over
Heather Gray.

Robert? Thoughts? Other folks?


> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Aaron Wolf  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Diana,
> 
> Thanks for the quick response!
> 
> If we lived in a world where everyone's favorite shirt color was white,
> then I think the designs we already have with a single print color of
> the dark blue would be just fine.
> 
> The main issue is the fact that many people would *not* prefer a pure
> white shirt color.
> 
> Now, some text and logo can work inverted, but the Mimi and Eunice
> characters do not look good as light color on dark background (but that
> may depend on the degree of contrast and exact colors). Probably, we
> either need an acceptable non-white shirt that is still light colored
> enough that the dark print color works and/or we change the design for a
> dark colored shirt.
> 
> So, maybe we'll offer two shirt colors, a light shirt (maybe still pure
> white?) and the current design and a different design for a dark-colored
> shirt. Or we pick just one of those. Perhaps we can use a second or
> third print color to adjust the design to make it acceptable on a dark
> shirt.
> 
> The basic issue right now is to select acceptable shirt options from
> real available shirts and then get an image to Robert (who I'm copying
> on this email) so that he can weigh in on how he feels about the design
> for the actual real shirts. My sense from Robert is that he basically
> feels nothing can go forward well right now until he knows what actual
> shirt colors we have to choose from.
> 
> Abstractly, I like the white shirts and one-color-printing designs we
> already have… except for the concern about white shirts.
> 
> Thanks again for the help, talk to you soon!
> 
> 
> On 12/09/2015 09:44 PM, Diana Connolly wrote:
> > Hi Aaron!
> > I've been thinking about colors today. I can talk to the shirt company
> > tomorrow.
> > One question - do you want to go with just a one color print? In that
> > case, I think your preview using the deep blue is good for a white
> > background. See below for links to color schemes.
> >
> > The first each series is shirt color, second primary ink color, third
> > accent, plus a couple optional accents.
> > A lot of these are straight out of your design guide.
> >
> > I'd like to see what your graphics guy thinks and I'll ask the shirt
> > company what the price difference would be for multiple colors, if you
> > want to go that way.
> >
> > White background:
> > https://coolors.co/app/ff-13628e-44a76b-f9ff68-7d7d7d
> >
> > Charcoal background:
> > https://coolors.co/app/696969-ffa700-13628e-b2-47cfec
> >
> > Talk to you tomorrow,
> > Diana
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Aaron Wolf  
> > >> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Diana,
> >
> > Just following up. Do you have any questions about things per the
> > detailed reply I provided about shirts?
>  

Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Diana Connolly]

Ok, I just talked to April at mill and I'm sending her more information via
email so she can put together an idea of cost.
As far as colors go, the shirt color doesn't matter at all. We could have
one of every color and it wouldn't change the cost.
There is a set up fee of $25 for one color, and you get one color change
free.
So we could do two shirt colors with different inks with no additional cost.

Things that affect the costs are screens, ink changes, ink underlays if
needed and shirts. Currently we have three designs to screen - logo and two
cartoons. I'll let you know when I get more information.

The next question is mostly for Robert - Do you envision any multi-color
design at all?

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Aaron Wolf  wrote:

>
>
> On 12/10/2015 02:43 PM, Diana Connolly wrote:
> > Hi guys, I've called the company and am waiting to hear back from them.
> > I really think the shirt you mentioned looks great, it's a nice light
> > weight 100% cotton and it comes in styles for both men and women. They
> > don't have an oatmeal, but they have a heathered grey. There is also a
> > completely awesome "heavy metal" color. And of course, white.
> > When they call me back, I'll check to see about the cost of multiple
> > shirt colors. One thing that would be nice to know, however, is what
> > sizes? I realize that's a tough one, perhaps they can give some advice
> > on that.
> >
> > Here's a link for anyone who would like to see the colors of the shirts:
> >
> >
> http://www.brandbookonline.com/cgi-bin/brand/site.w?location=olc/cobrand-product.w=3==3600=no=main=04=52092
> >
> > Diana
> >
>
> Well, for sizes, we can do some estimates for extras, but my plan has
> been to reach out to people expecting shirts and find out what sizes
> they want along with the design options depending on which we end up
> offering.
>
> As I said, I have the shirt that Eric mentioned from the conference he
> ran, and it stands out as actually the best t-shirt I own at all.
>
> Anyway, for colors, based on that site, I agree we shouldn't do plain
> white. I could see the current dark-blue ink designs on: Warm Gray,
> Sand, Light Gray, Heather Gray, Cream… I think my preference would be
> Heather Gray.
>
> I would like to avoid the work of making a dark-shirt design, but I
> could see Indigo or Midnight Navy.
>
> I'll await thoughts from other folks, and, Diana, happy to get your
> thoughts. If it were up to me to just do something immediately, I think
> I'd just go with the current designs with the dark blue images over
> Heather Gray.
>
> Robert? Thoughts? Other folks?
>
>
> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Aaron Wolf  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Diana,
> >
> > Thanks for the quick response!
> >
> > If we lived in a world where everyone's favorite shirt color was
> white,
> > then I think the designs we already have with a single print color of
> > the dark blue would be just fine.
> >
> > The main issue is the fact that many people would *not* prefer a pure
> > white shirt color.
> >
> > Now, some text and logo can work inverted, but the Mimi and Eunice
> > characters do not look good as light color on dark background (but
> that
> > may depend on the degree of contrast and exact colors). Probably, we
> > either need an acceptable non-white shirt that is still light colored
> > enough that the dark print color works and/or we change the design
> for a
> > dark colored shirt.
> >
> > So, maybe we'll offer two shirt colors, a light shirt (maybe still
> pure
> > white?) and the current design and a different design for a
> dark-colored
> > shirt. Or we pick just one of those. Perhaps we can use a second or
> > third print color to adjust the design to make it acceptable on a
> dark
> > shirt.
> >
> > The basic issue right now is to select acceptable shirt options from
> > real available shirts and then get an image to Robert (who I'm
> copying
> > on this email) so that he can weigh in on how he feels about the
> design
> > for the actual real shirts. My sense from Robert is that he basically
> > feels nothing can go forward well right now until he knows what
> actual
> > shirt colors we have to choose from.
> >
> > Abstractly, I like the white shirts and one-color-printing designs we
> > already have… except for the concern about white shirts.
> >
> > Thanks again for the help, talk to you soon!
> >
> >
> > On 12/09/2015 09:44 PM, Diana Connolly wrote:
> > > Hi Aaron!
> > > I've been thinking about colors today. I can talk to the shirt
> company
> > > tomorrow.
> > > One question - do you want to go with just a one color print? In
> that
> > > case, I think your preview using the deep blue is good for a white
> > > background. See below for links to color schemes.
> > >
> > > The first each series is 

Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Diana Connolly]

at Bluemill, not mill. Heh

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Diana Connolly 
wrote:

> Ok, I just talked to April at mill and I'm sending her more information
> via email so she can put together an idea of cost.
> As far as colors go, the shirt color doesn't matter at all. We could have
> one of every color and it wouldn't change the cost.
> There is a set up fee of $25 for one color, and you get one color change
> free.
> So we could do two shirt colors with different inks with no additional
> cost.
>
> Things that affect the costs are screens, ink changes, ink underlays if
> needed and shirts. Currently we have three designs to screen - logo and two
> cartoons. I'll let you know when I get more information.
>
> The next question is mostly for Robert - Do you envision any multi-color
> design at all?
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Aaron Wolf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 12/10/2015 02:43 PM, Diana Connolly wrote:
>> > Hi guys, I've called the company and am waiting to hear back from them.
>> > I really think the shirt you mentioned looks great, it's a nice light
>> > weight 100% cotton and it comes in styles for both men and women. They
>> > don't have an oatmeal, but they have a heathered grey. There is also a
>> > completely awesome "heavy metal" color. And of course, white.
>> > When they call me back, I'll check to see about the cost of multiple
>> > shirt colors. One thing that would be nice to know, however, is what
>> > sizes? I realize that's a tough one, perhaps they can give some advice
>> > on that.
>> >
>> > Here's a link for anyone who would like to see the colors of the shirts:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.brandbookonline.com/cgi-bin/brand/site.w?location=olc/cobrand-product.w=3==3600=no=main=04=52092
>> >
>> > Diana
>> >
>>
>> Well, for sizes, we can do some estimates for extras, but my plan has
>> been to reach out to people expecting shirts and find out what sizes
>> they want along with the design options depending on which we end up
>> offering.
>>
>> As I said, I have the shirt that Eric mentioned from the conference he
>> ran, and it stands out as actually the best t-shirt I own at all.
>>
>> Anyway, for colors, based on that site, I agree we shouldn't do plain
>> white. I could see the current dark-blue ink designs on: Warm Gray,
>> Sand, Light Gray, Heather Gray, Cream… I think my preference would be
>> Heather Gray.
>>
>> I would like to avoid the work of making a dark-shirt design, but I
>> could see Indigo or Midnight Navy.
>>
>> I'll await thoughts from other folks, and, Diana, happy to get your
>> thoughts. If it were up to me to just do something immediately, I think
>> I'd just go with the current designs with the dark blue images over
>> Heather Gray.
>>
>> Robert? Thoughts? Other folks?
>>
>>
>> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Aaron Wolf > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Diana,
>> >
>> > Thanks for the quick response!
>> >
>> > If we lived in a world where everyone's favorite shirt color was
>> white,
>> > then I think the designs we already have with a single print color
>> of
>> > the dark blue would be just fine.
>> >
>> > The main issue is the fact that many people would *not* prefer a
>> pure
>> > white shirt color.
>> >
>> > Now, some text and logo can work inverted, but the Mimi and Eunice
>> > characters do not look good as light color on dark background (but
>> that
>> > may depend on the degree of contrast and exact colors). Probably, we
>> > either need an acceptable non-white shirt that is still light
>> colored
>> > enough that the dark print color works and/or we change the design
>> for a
>> > dark colored shirt.
>> >
>> > So, maybe we'll offer two shirt colors, a light shirt (maybe still
>> pure
>> > white?) and the current design and a different design for a
>> dark-colored
>> > shirt. Or we pick just one of those. Perhaps we can use a second or
>> > third print color to adjust the design to make it acceptable on a
>> dark
>> > shirt.
>> >
>> > The basic issue right now is to select acceptable shirt options from
>> > real available shirts and then get an image to Robert (who I'm
>> copying
>> > on this email) so that he can weigh in on how he feels about the
>> design
>> > for the actual real shirts. My sense from Robert is that he
>> basically
>> > feels nothing can go forward well right now until he knows what
>> actual
>> > shirt colors we have to choose from.
>> >
>> > Abstractly, I like the white shirts and one-color-printing designs
>> we
>> > already have… except for the concern about white shirts.
>> >
>> > Thanks again for the help, talk to you soon!
>> >
>> >
>> > On 12/09/2015 09:44 PM, Diana Connolly wrote:
>> > > Hi Aaron!
>> > > I've been thinking about colors today. I can talk to the shirt
>> company
>> > > tomorrow.
>> > 

Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Jonathan Roberts]

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Aaron Wolf  wrote:

>
>
> On 12/10/2015 05:23 PM, mray wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 11.12.2015 00:20, Diana Connolly wrote:
> >> Ok, I just talked to April at mill and I'm sending her more information
> via
> >> email so she can put together an idea of cost.
> >> As far as colors go, the shirt color doesn't matter at all. We could
> have
> >> one of every color and it wouldn't change the cost.
> >> There is a set up fee of $25 for one color, and you get one color change
> >> free.
> >> So we could do two shirt colors with different inks with no additional
> cost.
> >>
> >> Things that affect the costs are screens, ink changes, ink underlays if
> >> needed and shirts. Currently we have three designs to screen - logo and
> two
> >> cartoons. I'll let you know when I get more information.
> >>
> >> The next question is mostly for Robert - Do you envision any multi-color
> >> design at all?
> >>
> >
> >
> > Thanks Diana for your input and research!
> >
> > I think that printing just one color is the safest and cheapest way to
> > go. Given that a second color would only be used to add shading I don't
> > see the need for it. I'd only consider it for no extra cost.
> >
> > As a quick reference I threw together some shirt-ink combinations that
> > made sense to look.
> >
> > I think your palette opens a space for more exciting shirts but I also
> > think we should remain as close to a Snowdrift-ish look as possible.
> >
> > Having different cartoons on light/dark shirts is a result of the shovel
> > being impractical on extra background, but then again I like the idea of
> > having "light" and "dark" in more than one sense. I actually like that
> > subtle restriction.
> >
> > Spacing and size isn't final, just this together before going to bed.
> > All in all I think the combinations with most contrast are winners, gray
> > interestingly turns out to be even more problematic than I anticipated.
> >
> > Does anybody miss a combination?
> > What are your favorites?
>

Bottom middle in Robert's mock up is my favorite dark, and upper right in
Aaron's mock up is my favorite light.

> >
> >
>
> Nice work mocking this up. I think the low-contrast bolder-blue shirt
> doesn't work and the medium-gray with white printing doesn't work, just
> not enough contrast.
>
> I like the first in each row best initially, but then I also kinda like
> the top right if it just had a little more contrast, either or both
> slightly darker blue or larger size for the items on the back. It's a
> little harder to read, but the color combination is nice aesthetically.
>
> I think the two shirts with the dark being the angrier one and the light
> being the shovel one, that's nice enough, even though it doesn't give
> people the option of preferring a dark shirt and the more mild design.
>
> Otherwise, I'm not loving the light blue as the light shirt. So, I made
> some mockups quickly with the other shirts, the Cream, Sand, and Light
> Gray. I'm not sure what the back-image was from the site, looks like a
> light version of the Heather Gray. Anyway, I'd like to hear from others,
> but I think I prefer the Light Gray overall as the light shirt, and I
> like the Cream and Sand options too. See my attached file.
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
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