On 12/10/2015 02:43 PM, Diana Connolly wrote: > Hi guys, I've called the company and am waiting to hear back from them. > I really think the shirt you mentioned looks great, it's a nice light > weight 100% cotton and it comes in styles for both men and women. They > don't have an oatmeal, but they have a heathered grey. There is also a > completely awesome "heavy metal" color. And of course, white. > When they call me back, I'll check to see about the cost of multiple > shirt colors. One thing that would be nice to know, however, is what > sizes? I realize that's a tough one, perhaps they can give some advice > on that. > > Here's a link for anyone who would like to see the colors of the shirts: > > http://www.brandbookonline.com/cgi-bin/brand/site.w?location=olc/cobrand-product.w&category=3&prb=&srb=&mill=&shade=&color=&product=3600&frames=no&target=main&sponsor=000004&nocache=52092 > > Diana >
Well, for sizes, we can do some estimates for extras, but my plan has been to reach out to people expecting shirts and find out what sizes they want along with the design options depending on which we end up offering. As I said, I have the shirt that Eric mentioned from the conference he ran, and it stands out as actually the best t-shirt I own at all. Anyway, for colors, based on that site, I agree we shouldn't do plain white. I could see the current dark-blue ink designs on: Warm Gray, Sand, Light Gray, Heather Gray, Cream… I think my preference would be Heather Gray. I would like to avoid the work of making a dark-shirt design, but I could see Indigo or Midnight Navy. I'll await thoughts from other folks, and, Diana, happy to get your thoughts. If it were up to me to just do something immediately, I think I'd just go with the current designs with the dark blue images over Heather Gray. Robert? Thoughts? Other folks? > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Aaron Wolf <aa...@snowdrift.coop > <mailto:aa...@snowdrift.coop>> wrote: > > Hi Diana, > > Thanks for the quick response! > > If we lived in a world where everyone's favorite shirt color was white, > then I think the designs we already have with a single print color of > the dark blue would be just fine. > > The main issue is the fact that many people would *not* prefer a pure > white shirt color. > > Now, some text and logo can work inverted, but the Mimi and Eunice > characters do not look good as light color on dark background (but that > may depend on the degree of contrast and exact colors). Probably, we > either need an acceptable non-white shirt that is still light colored > enough that the dark print color works and/or we change the design for a > dark colored shirt. > > So, maybe we'll offer two shirt colors, a light shirt (maybe still pure > white?) and the current design and a different design for a dark-colored > shirt. Or we pick just one of those. Perhaps we can use a second or > third print color to adjust the design to make it acceptable on a dark > shirt. > > The basic issue right now is to select acceptable shirt options from > real available shirts and then get an image to Robert (who I'm copying > on this email) so that he can weigh in on how he feels about the design > for the actual real shirts. My sense from Robert is that he basically > feels nothing can go forward well right now until he knows what actual > shirt colors we have to choose from. > > Abstractly, I like the white shirts and one-color-printing designs we > already have… except for the concern about white shirts. > > Thanks again for the help, talk to you soon! > > > On 12/09/2015 09:44 PM, Diana Connolly wrote: > > Hi Aaron! > > I've been thinking about colors today. I can talk to the shirt company > > tomorrow. > > One question - do you want to go with just a one color print? In that > > case, I think your preview using the deep blue is good for a white > > background. See below for links to color schemes. > > > > The first each series is shirt color, second primary ink color, third > > accent, plus a couple optional accents. > > A lot of these are straight out of your design guide. > > > > I'd like to see what your graphics guy thinks and I'll ask the shirt > > company what the price difference would be for multiple colors, if you > > want to go that way. > > > > White background: > > https://coolors.co/app/ffffff-13628e-44a76b-f9ff68-7d7d7d > > > > Charcoal background: > > https://coolors.co/app/696969-ffa700-13628e-b22222-47cfec > > > > Talk to you tomorrow, > > Diana > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Aaron Wolf <aa...@snowdrift.coop > <mailto:aa...@snowdrift.coop> > > <mailto:aa...@snowdrift.coop <mailto:aa...@snowdrift.coop>>> wrote: > > > > Hi Diana, > > > > Just following up. Do you have any questions about things per the > > detailed reply I provided about shirts? > > > > I'm hoping you can, ASAP, get in touch with the shirt company > I linked > > for you, and then we can have some decision with exact images > about the > > actual shirts and colors so we can finalize the design and > then print. > > > > I think you know, but we basically have 5 weeks or so to get > this all > > finalized. > > > > Thanks again! > > > > Aaron > > > > On 12/04/2015 08:19 PM, Aaron Wolf wrote: > > > Hi Diana, > > > > > > Thanks for the help! > > > > > > On 12/04/2015 01:42 PM, Diana Connolly wrote: > > >> Hi there everyone! As Bryan threatened, I'm chiming in. > > >> > > >> Things I know: > > >> You want shirts before SCALE on Jan 21st. > > >> You would like colors to reflect the Snowdrift design guide. > > >> You would like people to actually wear the t-shirts. > > >> > > >> Things I don't know: > > >> What is your budget? > > > > > > Well, our budget isn't as concrete as I'd like. We're > scraping by with > > > limited resources and basically personal funds of the > co-founders > > along > > > with whatever donations we get at this time. > > > > > > We have additional expenses for stickers and other things > for our > > booth > > > for SCALE, and we basically have around $2,000 buffer for these > > things. > > > Now, at some level, the shirts are offered to people as a > reward for > > > additional donations, and we want them to be decent enough. > > > > > >> How many shirts would you like to have on hand? > > > > > > We have around 20 donors already expecting shirts and should be > > printing > > > 5-10 more for primary team members. Beyond that, we will > want to be > > > efficient and order extra shirts to have on hand, but it doesn't > > need to > > > be a lot. > > > > > > We also want to have a situation where it's easy to place > > re-orders. We > > > might have initial run of shirts, then they are out there, > we'll have > > > pictures of them, pictures of us wearing them, etc. and we > can get > > other > > > donations and interest and then place larger order > accordingly. We do > > > want to take advantage of bulk pricing within reason and can > scrape > > > together funds to take advantage of that if it's clearly > financially > > > superior to do so in the medium-term. > > > > > > > > >> How about a few women's cut shirts thrown in? > > > > > > I really like the idea of having the *option* to order > women's cuts at > > > least. We certainly can consider a few to have on hand if > that seems > > > sensible, but > > > > > >> Do you want organic/green production or the cheapest available? > > >> > > > > > > We have to balance these decisions based on looking at > actual options > > > and cost differences. We *do* care about quality and ethics. > Our ideal > > > would be to use cooperatively-run business using > > > environmentally-friendly practices and great shirts people > will really > > > love. We likely will make some compromises. > > > > > > Here's a big deal for the value of local stuff: I have been > to many > > > conferences, most shirts I have are fine but unremarkable. > But the > > local > > > Write the Docs conference provided jerzy material shirts or > something > > > like that which are nicer fit *and* simply amazingly > comfortable and > > > attractive, really stands out. > > > > > > I contacted the conference organizer, and he says: > > > > > > "we use http://bluemillscreenprint.com/ -- they are great to > work > > with, > > > and helped us pick out shirts. We used Next level 3600 & > 3900 (men & > > > womens), I believe for the shirts. If you end up using them, > let them > > > know I [Eric Holscher] sent ya :) " > > > > > > That's a local Portland business, so we/you can go there and > talk to > > > people in person, see shirts, etc. > > > > > >> Some comments: > > >> Your website design guide is cohesive and clean, and for a > lot of > > >> people, hard to wear. I've seen some comments suggesting > white or > > blue > > >> shirts and here's what I think: There are a few colors that are > > >> universally wearable, including teal, true red, aubergine, > and deep > > >> coral. The closest thing you have to any of those is your "dark > > blue", > > >> so let's work with that. > > >> > > > > > > For reference, here's the designs we had already which were made > > before > > > anyone thought to consider the issue of shirt color: > > > > > > https://snowdrift.coop/img/shirt-preview-12-04 > > > > > > On an interesting side-note, probably too expensive and > > impractical, but > > > a two-tone shirt like this might fly: https://imgur.com/KuKCaOZ > > > > > > > > >> Your "dark blue" is a muted, slightly warm, deep blue, > definitely > > >> leaning towards a teal. Most t-shirt companies start with > standard > > >> shirts and can customize ink colors more readily. So going > with a > > "blue" > > >> shirt will most likely give you a true royal or navy, and that > > doesn't > > >> fit the bill. In general, I'd say that white t-shirts look like > > >> underwear, but for some people, it may work as a logo shirt > if the > > >> fabric is thick enough. > > > > > >> The real issue with getting people to wear your shirts is > that what > > >> looks good on a grey eyed caucasian is not going to look > good on a > > >> swarthy Italian. I think you need a minimum of two colors. > Go for a > > >> cooler, lighter shirt and a darker, warmer shirt. I suggest a > > charcoal > > >> grey and white as shirt colors with judicious use of your guide > > colors > > >> and perhaps the addition of a warmer accent such as true red or > > chrome > > >> yellow on the charcoal. You have a lot of cute designs and a > > great logo. > > >> It would be easy to run with those designs and just pick the > > right colors. > > >> > > > > > > Yeah, I agree shirt color is a real issue, and we just > hadn't thought > > > about that until now. > > > > > > I agree with the concern about white shirts and thing that a > charcoal > > > grey and white could work. And I could see offering two > color options, > > > so a second one that is dark colored. > > > > > > > > >> Bottom line: > > >> I'm willing to help and I'm sure I can come up with some great > > options! > > >> There are companies in town with really quick turn around, and > > you could > > >> see samples before committing. I'm totally nuts about color > and can > > >> steer you right. > > >> > > > > > > Thanks so much! And you're certainly welcome to provide > feedback about > > > other design issues too as they come up, if you're so > inclined. But > > > yeah, the shirt issue is the primary thing right now to deal > with. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Aaron > > > > > > P.S. If you're around and at all interested, we're having a > social > > meet > > > up tomorrow: http://calagator.org/events/1250469385 > > > > > > > > >> Diana > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Bryan Richter > <b...@chreekat.net <mailto:b...@chreekat.net> > > <mailto:b...@chreekat.net <mailto:b...@chreekat.net>> > > >> <mailto:b...@chreekat.net <mailto:b...@chreekat.net> > <mailto:b...@chreekat.net <mailto:b...@chreekat.net>>>> wrote: > > >> > > >> On Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 07:43:14PM +0100, mray wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On 01.12.2015 21:53, Bryan Richter wrote: > > >> > > Well, after saying that, I *do* prefer white over some > > shades of > > >> gray. > > >> > > > > >> > > No terrible cultural reference intended. > > >> > > > > >> > > From my perspective, I'd like to offer at least two > > colors (maybe > > >> > > neutral and blue?), if not more. > > >> > > > > >> > > Robert, I suppose I'm not certain about your style > guide. > > Is that > > >> > > *just* a guide for the web? E.g. would it be a bad idea > > to use a > > >> > > monochrome logo on top of a selection of colors better > > suited to > > >> > > humans that to websites? > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > The guide has online use in mind and does not > specifically > > treat other > > >> > media types. But even having the differences of printing > > and RGB > > >> display > > >> > in mind some things should remain as similar as possible. > > Namely the > > >> > colors. Introducing gray is not preferable if there is an > > option > > >> to use > > >> > our blue, but ultimately nothing is thought to be a law > > that cannot be > > >> > broken. it is just an order of preferences. > > >> > > > >> > I might prefer a clean grayscale shirt better to one > where we > > >> would have > > >> > to use a strange blue that does not resemble our blue for > > example. > > >> > > >> As mentioned in IRC, I've enlisted my mother (Diana > Connolly) > > to help > > >> with colors. 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