at Bluemill, not mill. Heh On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Diana Connolly <diana.conno...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, I just talked to April at mill and I'm sending her more information > via email so she can put together an idea of cost. > As far as colors go, the shirt color doesn't matter at all. We could have > one of every color and it wouldn't change the cost. > There is a set up fee of $25 for one color, and you get one color change > free. > So we could do two shirt colors with different inks with no additional > cost. > > Things that affect the costs are screens, ink changes, ink underlays if > needed and shirts. Currently we have three designs to screen - logo and two > cartoons. I'll let you know when I get more information. > > The next question is mostly for Robert - Do you envision any multi-color > design at all? > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Aaron Wolf <aa...@snowdrift.coop> wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/10/2015 02:43 PM, Diana Connolly wrote: >> > Hi guys, I've called the company and am waiting to hear back from them. >> > I really think the shirt you mentioned looks great, it's a nice light >> > weight 100% cotton and it comes in styles for both men and women. They >> > don't have an oatmeal, but they have a heathered grey. There is also a >> > completely awesome "heavy metal" color. And of course, white. >> > When they call me back, I'll check to see about the cost of multiple >> > shirt colors. One thing that would be nice to know, however, is what >> > sizes? I realize that's a tough one, perhaps they can give some advice >> > on that. >> > >> > Here's a link for anyone who would like to see the colors of the shirts: >> > >> > >> http://www.brandbookonline.com/cgi-bin/brand/site.w?location=olc/cobrand-product.w&category=3&prb=&srb=&mill=&shade=&color=&product=3600&frames=no&target=main&sponsor=000004&nocache=52092 >> > >> > Diana >> > >> >> Well, for sizes, we can do some estimates for extras, but my plan has >> been to reach out to people expecting shirts and find out what sizes >> they want along with the design options depending on which we end up >> offering. >> >> As I said, I have the shirt that Eric mentioned from the conference he >> ran, and it stands out as actually the best t-shirt I own at all. >> >> Anyway, for colors, based on that site, I agree we shouldn't do plain >> white. I could see the current dark-blue ink designs on: Warm Gray, >> Sand, Light Gray, Heather Gray, Cream… I think my preference would be >> Heather Gray. >> >> I would like to avoid the work of making a dark-shirt design, but I >> could see Indigo or Midnight Navy. >> >> I'll await thoughts from other folks, and, Diana, happy to get your >> thoughts. If it were up to me to just do something immediately, I think >> I'd just go with the current designs with the dark blue images over >> Heather Gray. >> >> Robert? Thoughts? Other folks? >> >> >> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Aaron Wolf <aa...@snowdrift.coop >> > <mailto:aa...@snowdrift.coop>> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Diana, >> > >> > Thanks for the quick response! >> > >> > If we lived in a world where everyone's favorite shirt color was >> white, >> > then I think the designs we already have with a single print color >> of >> > the dark blue would be just fine. >> > >> > The main issue is the fact that many people would *not* prefer a >> pure >> > white shirt color. >> > >> > Now, some text and logo can work inverted, but the Mimi and Eunice >> > characters do not look good as light color on dark background (but >> that >> > may depend on the degree of contrast and exact colors). Probably, we >> > either need an acceptable non-white shirt that is still light >> colored >> > enough that the dark print color works and/or we change the design >> for a >> > dark colored shirt. >> > >> > So, maybe we'll offer two shirt colors, a light shirt (maybe still >> pure >> > white?) and the current design and a different design for a >> dark-colored >> > shirt. Or we pick just one of those. Perhaps we can use a second or >> > third print color to adjust the design to make it acceptable on a >> dark >> > shirt. >> > >> > The basic issue right now is to select acceptable shirt options from >> > real available shirts and then get an image to Robert (who I'm >> copying >> > on this email) so that he can weigh in on how he feels about the >> design >> > for the actual real shirts. My sense from Robert is that he >> basically >> > feels nothing can go forward well right now until he knows what >> actual >> > shirt colors we have to choose from. >> > >> > Abstractly, I like the white shirts and one-color-printing designs >> we >> > already have… except for the concern about white shirts. >> > >> > Thanks again for the help, talk to you soon! >> > >> > >> > On 12/09/2015 09:44 PM, Diana Connolly wrote: >> > > Hi Aaron! >> > > I've been thinking about colors today. I can talk to the shirt >> company >> > > tomorrow. >> > > One question - do you want to go with just a one color print? In >> that >> > > case, I think your preview using the deep blue is good for a white >> > > background. See below for links to color schemes. >> > > >> > > The first each series is shirt color, second primary ink color, >> third >> > > accent, plus a couple optional accents. >> > > A lot of these are straight out of your design guide. >> > > >> > > I'd like to see what your graphics guy thinks and I'll ask the >> shirt >> > > company what the price difference would be for multiple colors, >> if you >> > > want to go that way. >> > > >> > > White background: >> > > https://coolors.co/app/ffffff-13628e-44a76b-f9ff68-7d7d7d >> > > >> > > Charcoal background: >> > > https://coolors.co/app/696969-ffa700-13628e-b22222-47cfec >> > > >> > > Talk to you tomorrow, >> > > Diana >> > > >> > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Aaron Wolf <aa...@snowdrift.coop >> <mailto:aa...@snowdrift.coop> >> > > <mailto:aa...@snowdrift.coop <mailto:aa...@snowdrift.coop>>> >> wrote: >> > > >> > > Hi Diana, >> > > >> > > Just following up. Do you have any questions about things per >> the >> > > detailed reply I provided about shirts? >> > > >> > > I'm hoping you can, ASAP, get in touch with the shirt company >> > I linked >> > > for you, and then we can have some decision with exact images >> > about the >> > > actual shirts and colors so we can finalize the design and >> > then print. >> > > >> > > I think you know, but we basically have 5 weeks or so to get >> > this all >> > > finalized. >> > > >> > > Thanks again! >> > > >> > > Aaron >> > > >> > > On 12/04/2015 08:19 PM, Aaron Wolf wrote: >> > > > Hi Diana, >> > > > >> > > > Thanks for the help! >> > > > >> > > > On 12/04/2015 01:42 PM, Diana Connolly wrote: >> > > >> Hi there everyone! As Bryan threatened, I'm chiming in. >> > > >> >> > > >> Things I know: >> > > >> You want shirts before SCALE on Jan 21st. >> > > >> You would like colors to reflect the Snowdrift design >> guide. >> > > >> You would like people to actually wear the t-shirts. >> > > >> >> > > >> Things I don't know: >> > > >> What is your budget? >> > > > >> > > > Well, our budget isn't as concrete as I'd like. We're >> > scraping by with >> > > > limited resources and basically personal funds of the >> > co-founders >> > > along >> > > > with whatever donations we get at this time. >> > > > >> > > > We have additional expenses for stickers and other things >> > for our >> > > booth >> > > > for SCALE, and we basically have around $2,000 buffer for >> these >> > > things. >> > > > Now, at some level, the shirts are offered to people as a >> > reward for >> > > > additional donations, and we want them to be decent enough. >> > > > >> > > >> How many shirts would you like to have on hand? >> > > > >> > > > We have around 20 donors already expecting shirts and >> should be >> > > printing >> > > > 5-10 more for primary team members. Beyond that, we will >> > want to be >> > > > efficient and order extra shirts to have on hand, but it >> doesn't >> > > need to >> > > > be a lot. >> > > > >> > > > We also want to have a situation where it's easy to place >> > > re-orders. We >> > > > might have initial run of shirts, then they are out there, >> > we'll have >> > > > pictures of them, pictures of us wearing them, etc. and we >> > can get >> > > other >> > > > donations and interest and then place larger order >> > accordingly. We do >> > > > want to take advantage of bulk pricing within reason and can >> > scrape >> > > > together funds to take advantage of that if it's clearly >> > financially >> > > > superior to do so in the medium-term. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> How about a few women's cut shirts thrown in? >> > > > >> > > > I really like the idea of having the *option* to order >> > women's cuts at >> > > > least. We certainly can consider a few to have on hand if >> > that seems >> > > > sensible, but >> > > > >> > > >> Do you want organic/green production or the cheapest >> available? >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > We have to balance these decisions based on looking at >> > actual options >> > > > and cost differences. We *do* care about quality and ethics. >> > Our ideal >> > > > would be to use cooperatively-run business using >> > > > environmentally-friendly practices and great shirts people >> > will really >> > > > love. We likely will make some compromises. >> > > > >> > > > Here's a big deal for the value of local stuff: I have been >> > to many >> > > > conferences, most shirts I have are fine but unremarkable. >> > But the >> > > local >> > > > Write the Docs conference provided jerzy material shirts or >> > something >> > > > like that which are nicer fit *and* simply amazingly >> > comfortable and >> > > > attractive, really stands out. >> > > > >> > > > I contacted the conference organizer, and he says: >> > > > >> > > > "we use http://bluemillscreenprint.com/ -- they are great >> to >> > work >> > > with, >> > > > and helped us pick out shirts. We used Next level 3600 & >> > 3900 (men & >> > > > womens), I believe for the shirts. If you end up using them, >> > let them >> > > > know I [Eric Holscher] sent ya :) " >> > > > >> > > > That's a local Portland business, so we/you can go there and >> > talk to >> > > > people in person, see shirts, etc. >> > > > >> > > >> Some comments: >> > > >> Your website design guide is cohesive and clean, and for a >> > lot of >> > > >> people, hard to wear. I've seen some comments suggesting >> > white or >> > > blue >> > > >> shirts and here's what I think: There are a few colors >> that are >> > > >> universally wearable, including teal, true red, aubergine, >> > and deep >> > > >> coral. The closest thing you have to any of those is your >> "dark >> > > blue", >> > > >> so let's work with that. >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > For reference, here's the designs we had already which were >> made >> > > before >> > > > anyone thought to consider the issue of shirt color: >> > > > >> > > > https://snowdrift.coop/img/shirt-preview-12-04 >> > > > >> > > > On an interesting side-note, probably too expensive and >> > > impractical, but >> > > > a two-tone shirt like this might fly: >> https://imgur.com/KuKCaOZ >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> Your "dark blue" is a muted, slightly warm, deep blue, >> > definitely >> > > >> leaning towards a teal. Most t-shirt companies start with >> > standard >> > > >> shirts and can customize ink colors more readily. So going >> > with a >> > > "blue" >> > > >> shirt will most likely give you a true royal or navy, and >> that >> > > doesn't >> > > >> fit the bill. In general, I'd say that white t-shirts look >> like >> > > >> underwear, but for some people, it may work as a logo shirt >> > if the >> > > >> fabric is thick enough. >> > > > >> > > >> The real issue with getting people to wear your shirts is >> > that what >> > > >> looks good on a grey eyed caucasian is not going to look >> > good on a >> > > >> swarthy Italian. I think you need a minimum of two colors. >> > Go for a >> > > >> cooler, lighter shirt and a darker, warmer shirt. I >> suggest a >> > > charcoal >> > > >> grey and white as shirt colors with judicious use of your >> guide >> > > colors >> > > >> and perhaps the addition of a warmer accent such as true >> red or >> > > chrome >> > > >> yellow on the charcoal. You have a lot of cute designs and >> a >> > > great logo. >> > > >> It would be easy to run with those designs and just pick >> the >> > > right colors. >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > Yeah, I agree shirt color is a real issue, and we just >> > hadn't thought >> > > > about that until now. >> > > > >> > > > I agree with the concern about white shirts and thing that a >> > charcoal >> > > > grey and white could work. And I could see offering two >> > color options, >> > > > so a second one that is dark colored. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> Bottom line: >> > > >> I'm willing to help and I'm sure I can come up with some >> great >> > > options! >> > > >> There are companies in town with really quick turn around, >> and >> > > you could >> > > >> see samples before committing. I'm totally nuts about color >> > and can >> > > >> steer you right. >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > Thanks so much! And you're certainly welcome to provide >> > feedback about >> > > > other design issues too as they come up, if you're so >> > inclined. But >> > > > yeah, the shirt issue is the primary thing right now to deal >> > with. >> > > > >> > > > Cheers, >> > > > Aaron >> > > > >> > > > P.S. If you're around and at all interested, we're having a >> > social >> > > meet >> > > > up tomorrow: http://calagator.org/events/1250469385 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> Diana >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Bryan Richter >> > <b...@chreekat.net <mailto:b...@chreekat.net> >> > > <mailto:b...@chreekat.net <mailto:b...@chreekat.net>> >> > > >> <mailto:b...@chreekat.net <mailto:b...@chreekat.net> >> > <mailto:b...@chreekat.net <mailto:b...@chreekat.net>>>> wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> On Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 07:43:14PM +0100, mray wrote: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > On 01.12.2015 21:53, Bryan Richter wrote: >> > > >> > > Well, after saying that, I *do* prefer white over >> some >> > > shades of >> > > >> gray. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > No terrible cultural reference intended. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > From my perspective, I'd like to offer at least two >> > > colors (maybe >> > > >> > > neutral and blue?), if not more. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Robert, I suppose I'm not certain about your style >> > guide. >> > > Is that >> > > >> > > *just* a guide for the web? E.g. would it be a bad >> idea >> > > to use a >> > > >> > > monochrome logo on top of a selection of colors >> better >> > > suited to >> > > >> > > humans that to websites? >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > The guide has online use in mind and does not >> > specifically >> > > treat other >> > > >> > media types. But even having the differences of >> printing >> > > and RGB >> > > >> display >> > > >> > in mind some things should remain as similar as >> possible. >> > > Namely the >> > > >> > colors. Introducing gray is not preferable if there >> is an >> > > option >> > > >> to use >> > > >> > our blue, but ultimately nothing is thought to be a >> law >> > > that cannot be >> > > >> > broken. it is just an order of preferences. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > I might prefer a clean grayscale shirt better to one >> > where we >> > > >> would have >> > > >> > to use a strange blue that does not resemble our >> blue for >> > > example. >> > > >> >> > > >> As mentioned in IRC, I've enlisted my mother (Diana >> > Connolly) >> > > to help >> > > >> with colors. 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