at Bluemill, not mill. Heh

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Diana Connolly <diana.conno...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ok, I just talked to April at mill and I'm sending her more information
> via email so she can put together an idea of cost.
> As far as colors go, the shirt color doesn't matter at all. We could have
> one of every color and it wouldn't change the cost.
> There is a set up fee of $25 for one color, and you get one color change
> free.
> So we could do two shirt colors with different inks with no additional
> cost.
>
> Things that affect the costs are screens, ink changes, ink underlays if
> needed and shirts. Currently we have three designs to screen - logo and two
> cartoons. I'll let you know when I get more information.
>
> The next question is mostly for Robert - Do you envision any multi-color
> design at all?
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Aaron Wolf <aa...@snowdrift.coop> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 12/10/2015 02:43 PM, Diana Connolly wrote:
>> > Hi guys, I've called the company and am waiting to hear back from them.
>> > I really think the shirt you mentioned looks great, it's a nice light
>> > weight 100% cotton and it comes in styles for both men and women. They
>> > don't have an oatmeal, but they have a heathered grey. There is also a
>> > completely awesome "heavy metal" color. And of course, white.
>> > When they call me back, I'll check to see about the cost of multiple
>> > shirt colors. One thing that would be nice to know, however, is what
>> > sizes? I realize that's a tough one, perhaps they can give some advice
>> > on that.
>> >
>> > Here's a link for anyone who would like to see the colors of the shirts:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.brandbookonline.com/cgi-bin/brand/site.w?location=olc/cobrand-product.w&category=3&prb=&srb=&mill=&shade=&color=&product=3600&frames=no&target=main&sponsor=000004&nocache=52092
>> >
>> > Diana
>> >
>>
>> Well, for sizes, we can do some estimates for extras, but my plan has
>> been to reach out to people expecting shirts and find out what sizes
>> they want along with the design options depending on which we end up
>> offering.
>>
>> As I said, I have the shirt that Eric mentioned from the conference he
>> ran, and it stands out as actually the best t-shirt I own at all.
>>
>> Anyway, for colors, based on that site, I agree we shouldn't do plain
>> white. I could see the current dark-blue ink designs on: Warm Gray,
>> Sand, Light Gray, Heather Gray, Cream… I think my preference would be
>> Heather Gray.
>>
>> I would like to avoid the work of making a dark-shirt design, but I
>> could see Indigo or Midnight Navy.
>>
>> I'll await thoughts from other folks, and, Diana, happy to get your
>> thoughts. If it were up to me to just do something immediately, I think
>> I'd just go with the current designs with the dark blue images over
>> Heather Gray.
>>
>> Robert? Thoughts? Other folks?
>>
>>
>> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Aaron Wolf <aa...@snowdrift.coop
>> > <mailto:aa...@snowdrift.coop>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     Hi Diana,
>> >
>> >     Thanks for the quick response!
>> >
>> >     If we lived in a world where everyone's favorite shirt color was
>> white,
>> >     then I think the designs we already have with a single print color
>> of
>> >     the dark blue would be just fine.
>> >
>> >     The main issue is the fact that many people would *not* prefer a
>> pure
>> >     white shirt color.
>> >
>> >     Now, some text and logo can work inverted, but the Mimi and Eunice
>> >     characters do not look good as light color on dark background (but
>> that
>> >     may depend on the degree of contrast and exact colors). Probably, we
>> >     either need an acceptable non-white shirt that is still light
>> colored
>> >     enough that the dark print color works and/or we change the design
>> for a
>> >     dark colored shirt.
>> >
>> >     So, maybe we'll offer two shirt colors, a light shirt (maybe still
>> pure
>> >     white?) and the current design and a different design for a
>> dark-colored
>> >     shirt. Or we pick just one of those. Perhaps we can use a second or
>> >     third print color to adjust the design to make it acceptable on a
>> dark
>> >     shirt.
>> >
>> >     The basic issue right now is to select acceptable shirt options from
>> >     real available shirts and then get an image to Robert (who I'm
>> copying
>> >     on this email) so that he can weigh in on how he feels about the
>> design
>> >     for the actual real shirts. My sense from Robert is that he
>> basically
>> >     feels nothing can go forward well right now until he knows what
>> actual
>> >     shirt colors we have to choose from.
>> >
>> >     Abstractly, I like the white shirts and one-color-printing designs
>> we
>> >     already have… except for the concern about white shirts.
>> >
>> >     Thanks again for the help, talk to you soon!
>> >
>> >
>> >     On 12/09/2015 09:44 PM, Diana Connolly wrote:
>> >     > Hi Aaron!
>> >     > I've been thinking about colors today. I can talk to the shirt
>> company
>> >     > tomorrow.
>> >     > One question - do you want to go with just a one color print? In
>> that
>> >     > case, I think your preview using the deep blue is good for a white
>> >     > background. See below for links to color schemes.
>> >     >
>> >     > The first each series is shirt color, second primary ink color,
>> third
>> >     > accent, plus a couple optional accents.
>> >     > A lot of these are straight out of your design guide.
>> >     >
>> >     > I'd like to see what your graphics guy thinks and I'll ask the
>> shirt
>> >     > company what the price difference would be for multiple colors,
>> if you
>> >     > want to go that way.
>> >     >
>> >     > White background:
>> >     > https://coolors.co/app/ffffff-13628e-44a76b-f9ff68-7d7d7d
>> >     >
>> >     > Charcoal background:
>> >     > https://coolors.co/app/696969-ffa700-13628e-b22222-47cfec
>> >     >
>> >     > Talk to you tomorrow,
>> >     > Diana
>> >     >
>> >     > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Aaron Wolf <aa...@snowdrift.coop
>> <mailto:aa...@snowdrift.coop>
>> >     > <mailto:aa...@snowdrift.coop <mailto:aa...@snowdrift.coop>>>
>> wrote:
>> >     >
>> >     >     Hi Diana,
>> >     >
>> >     >     Just following up. Do you have any questions about things per
>> the
>> >     >     detailed reply I provided about shirts?
>> >     >
>> >     >     I'm hoping you can, ASAP, get in touch with the shirt company
>> >     I linked
>> >     >     for you, and then we can have some decision with exact images
>> >     about the
>> >     >     actual shirts and colors so we can finalize the design and
>> >     then print.
>> >     >
>> >     >     I think you know, but we basically have 5 weeks or so to get
>> >     this all
>> >     >     finalized.
>> >     >
>> >     >     Thanks again!
>> >     >
>> >     >     Aaron
>> >     >
>> >     >     On 12/04/2015 08:19 PM, Aaron Wolf wrote:
>> >     >     > Hi Diana,
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > Thanks for the help!
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > On 12/04/2015 01:42 PM, Diana Connolly wrote:
>> >     >     >> Hi there everyone! As Bryan threatened, I'm chiming in.
>> >     >     >>
>> >     >     >> Things I know:
>> >     >     >> You want shirts before SCALE on Jan 21st.
>> >     >     >> You would like colors to reflect the Snowdrift design
>> guide.
>> >     >     >> You would like people to actually wear the t-shirts.
>> >     >     >>
>> >     >     >> Things I don't know:
>> >     >     >> What is your budget?
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > Well, our budget isn't as concrete as I'd like. We're
>> >     scraping by with
>> >     >     > limited resources and basically personal funds of the
>> >     co-founders
>> >     >     along
>> >     >     > with whatever donations we get at this time.
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > We have additional expenses for stickers and other things
>> >     for our
>> >     >     booth
>> >     >     > for SCALE, and we basically have around $2,000 buffer for
>> these
>> >     >     things.
>> >     >     > Now, at some level, the shirts are offered to people as a
>> >     reward for
>> >     >     > additional donations, and we want them to be decent enough.
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >> How many shirts would you like to have on hand?
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > We have around 20 donors already expecting shirts and
>> should be
>> >     >     printing
>> >     >     > 5-10 more for primary team members. Beyond that, we will
>> >     want to be
>> >     >     > efficient and order extra shirts to have on hand, but it
>> doesn't
>> >     >     need to
>> >     >     > be a lot.
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > We also want to have a situation where it's easy to place
>> >     >     re-orders. We
>> >     >     > might have initial run of shirts, then they are out there,
>> >     we'll have
>> >     >     > pictures of them, pictures of us wearing them, etc. and we
>> >     can get
>> >     >     other
>> >     >     > donations and interest and then place larger order
>> >     accordingly. We do
>> >     >     > want to take advantage of bulk pricing within reason and can
>> >     scrape
>> >     >     > together funds to take advantage of that if it's clearly
>> >     financially
>> >     >     > superior to do so in the medium-term.
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >> How about a few women's cut shirts thrown in?
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > I really like the idea of having the *option* to order
>> >     women's cuts at
>> >     >     > least. We certainly can consider a few to have on hand if
>> >     that seems
>> >     >     > sensible, but
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >> Do you want organic/green production or the cheapest
>> available?
>> >     >     >>
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > We have to balance these decisions based on looking at
>> >     actual options
>> >     >     > and cost differences. We *do* care about quality and ethics.
>> >     Our ideal
>> >     >     > would be to use cooperatively-run business using
>> >     >     > environmentally-friendly practices and great shirts people
>> >     will really
>> >     >     > love. We likely will make some compromises.
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > Here's a big deal for the value of local stuff: I have been
>> >     to many
>> >     >     > conferences, most shirts I have are fine but unremarkable.
>> >     But the
>> >     >     local
>> >     >     > Write the Docs conference provided jerzy material shirts or
>> >     something
>> >     >     > like that which are nicer fit *and* simply amazingly
>> >     comfortable and
>> >     >     > attractive, really stands out.
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > I contacted the conference organizer, and he says:
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > "we use http://bluemillscreenprint.com/ -- they are great
>> to
>> >     work
>> >     >     with,
>> >     >     > and helped us pick out shirts. We used Next level 3600 &
>> >     3900 (men &
>> >     >     > womens), I believe for the shirts. If you end up using them,
>> >     let them
>> >     >     > know I [Eric Holscher] sent ya :) "
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > That's a local Portland business, so we/you can go there and
>> >     talk to
>> >     >     > people in person, see shirts, etc.
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >> Some comments:
>> >     >     >> Your website design guide is cohesive and clean, and for a
>> >     lot of
>> >     >     >> people, hard to wear. I've seen some comments suggesting
>> >     white or
>> >     >     blue
>> >     >     >> shirts and here's what I think: There are a few colors
>> that are
>> >     >     >> universally wearable, including teal, true red, aubergine,
>> >     and deep
>> >     >     >> coral. The closest thing you have to any of those is your
>> "dark
>> >     >     blue",
>> >     >     >> so let's work with that.
>> >     >     >>
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > For reference, here's the designs we had already which were
>> made
>> >     >     before
>> >     >     > anyone thought to consider the issue of shirt color:
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > https://snowdrift.coop/img/shirt-preview-12-04
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > On an interesting side-note, probably too expensive and
>> >     >     impractical, but
>> >     >     > a two-tone shirt like this might fly:
>> https://imgur.com/KuKCaOZ
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >> Your "dark blue" is a muted, slightly warm, deep blue,
>> >     definitely
>> >     >     >> leaning towards a teal. Most t-shirt companies start with
>> >     standard
>> >     >     >> shirts and can customize ink colors more readily. So going
>> >     with a
>> >     >     "blue"
>> >     >     >> shirt will most likely give you a true royal or navy, and
>> that
>> >     >     doesn't
>> >     >     >> fit the bill. In general, I'd say that white t-shirts look
>> like
>> >     >     >> underwear, but for some people, it may work as a logo shirt
>> >     if the
>> >     >     >> fabric is thick enough.
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >> The real issue with getting people to wear your shirts is
>> >     that what
>> >     >     >> looks good on a grey eyed caucasian is not going to look
>> >     good on a
>> >     >     >> swarthy Italian. I think you need a minimum of two colors.
>> >     Go for a
>> >     >     >> cooler, lighter shirt and a darker, warmer shirt. I
>> suggest a
>> >     >     charcoal
>> >     >     >> grey and white as shirt colors with judicious use of your
>> guide
>> >     >     colors
>> >     >     >> and perhaps the addition of a warmer accent such as true
>> red or
>> >     >     chrome
>> >     >     >> yellow on the charcoal. You have a lot of cute designs and
>> a
>> >     >     great logo.
>> >     >     >> It would be easy to run with those designs and just pick
>> the
>> >     >     right colors.
>> >     >     >>
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > Yeah, I agree shirt color is a real issue, and we just
>> >     hadn't thought
>> >     >     > about that until now.
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > I agree with the concern about white shirts and thing that a
>> >     charcoal
>> >     >     > grey and white could work. And I could see offering two
>> >     color options,
>> >     >     > so a second one that is dark colored.
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >> Bottom line:
>> >     >     >> I'm willing to help and I'm sure I can come up with some
>> great
>> >     >     options!
>> >     >     >> There are companies in town with really quick turn around,
>> and
>> >     >     you could
>> >     >     >> see samples before committing. I'm totally nuts about color
>> >     and can
>> >     >     >> steer you right.
>> >     >     >>
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > Thanks so much! And you're certainly welcome to provide
>> >     feedback about
>> >     >     > other design issues too as they come up, if you're so
>> >     inclined. But
>> >     >     > yeah, the shirt issue is the primary thing right now to deal
>> >     with.
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > Cheers,
>> >     >     > Aaron
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > P.S. If you're around and at all interested, we're having a
>> >     social
>> >     >     meet
>> >     >     > up tomorrow: http://calagator.org/events/1250469385
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >> Diana
>> >     >     >>
>> >     >     >>
>> >     >     >>
>> >     >     >>
>> >     >     >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Bryan Richter
>> >     <b...@chreekat.net <mailto:b...@chreekat.net>
>> >     >     <mailto:b...@chreekat.net <mailto:b...@chreekat.net>>
>> >     >     >> <mailto:b...@chreekat.net <mailto:b...@chreekat.net>
>> >     <mailto:b...@chreekat.net <mailto:b...@chreekat.net>>>> wrote:
>> >     >     >>
>> >     >     >>     On Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 07:43:14PM +0100, mray wrote:
>> >     >     >>     >
>> >     >     >>     >
>> >     >     >>     > On 01.12.2015 21:53, Bryan Richter wrote:
>> >     >     >>     > > Well, after saying that, I *do* prefer white over
>> some
>> >     >     shades of
>> >     >     >>     gray.
>> >     >     >>     > >
>> >     >     >>     > > No terrible cultural reference intended.
>> >     >     >>     > >
>> >     >     >>     > > From my perspective, I'd like to offer at least two
>> >     >     colors (maybe
>> >     >     >>     > > neutral and blue?), if not more.
>> >     >     >>     > >
>> >     >     >>     > > Robert, I suppose I'm not certain about your style
>> >     guide.
>> >     >     Is that
>> >     >     >>     > > *just* a guide for the web? E.g. would it be a bad
>> idea
>> >     >     to use a
>> >     >     >>     > > monochrome logo on top of a selection of colors
>> better
>> >     >     suited to
>> >     >     >>     > > humans that to websites?
>> >     >     >>     > >
>> >     >     >>     >
>> >     >     >>     > The guide has online use in mind and does not
>> >     specifically
>> >     >     treat other
>> >     >     >>     > media types. But even having the differences of
>> printing
>> >     >     and RGB
>> >     >     >>     display
>> >     >     >>     > in mind some things should remain as similar as
>> possible.
>> >     >     Namely the
>> >     >     >>     > colors. Introducing gray is not preferable if there
>> is an
>> >     >     option
>> >     >     >>     to use
>> >     >     >>     > our blue, but ultimately nothing is thought to be a
>> law
>> >     >     that cannot be
>> >     >     >>     > broken. it is just an order of preferences.
>> >     >     >>     >
>> >     >     >>     > I might prefer a clean grayscale shirt better to one
>> >     where we
>> >     >     >>     would have
>> >     >     >>     > to use a strange blue that does not resemble our
>> blue for
>> >     >     example.
>> >     >     >>
>> >     >     >>     As mentioned in IRC, I've enlisted my mother (Diana
>> >     Connolly)
>> >     >     to help
>> >     >     >>     with colors. She's joined this list and should chime in
>> >     >     momentarily.
>> >     >     >>     :)
>> >     >     >>
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