Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Bryan Richter]

There seems to have been a major foulup in communication about shirt
colors.

Diana chose shirt colors and got consensus on those colors. Some of
the colors she chose are on backorder for ladies's sizes, but they're
still available. Then, those colors were scrapped entirely and
different ones were added to the newly-created /merchandise page. That
page also unhelpfully links to the entire available palette, which is
also contrary to the original plan (paradox of choice, dilution of
brand).

There were a few emails in this thread that were, unfortunately, too
long and unfocused for me to have time to read. Was it one of those
that discussed these changes?

Are we all satisfied with the current state of affairs?

I basically didn't want to think about this anymore, except now I'm
choosing a shirt color for myself and don't feel comfortable choosing
something that very few other people will ever wear.

On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 11:18:21AM +, William Hale (Salt) wrote:
> Would someone start a new thread with mock-ups of the final options?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:20:33 -0800
> Diana Connolly  wrote:
> 
> > Quite simply, all we need now is the final graphics in a form I can
> > hand off to Bluemill, and a choice of sizes and colors for at least
> > 24 shirts. Remember, shirt color changes cost nothing.
> > 
> > If people would like to start sending me their choices, I will
> > compile a list.
> > 
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Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Michel, Stephen J.]

Proposal:

1. Pick two colors, and two colors only.
2. Both colors must be available in both Mens and Womens.
3. One must be warm, and one must be cool.
4. One must be dark, one must be light.

In short, offer Cool Blue and Warm Grey colors (if I haven't gotten all the 
constraints mixed up -- can someone confirm that these two colors fit my 4 
above constraints?), and be done with it. We've spent far too much effort on 
this already, IMO.

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Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 14:26
To: design@lists.snowdrift.coop
Subject: Re: [Design] shirt colors

There seems to have been a major foulup in communication about shirt
colors.

Diana chose shirt colors and got consensus on those colors. Some of
the colors she chose are on backorder for ladies's sizes, but they're
still available. Then, those colors were scrapped entirely and
different ones were added to the newly-created /merchandise page. That
page also unhelpfully links to the entire available palette, which is
also contrary to the original plan (paradox of choice, dilution of
brand).

There were a few emails in this thread that were, unfortunately, too
long and unfocused for me to have time to read. Was it one of those
that discussed these changes?

Are we all satisfied with the current state of affairs?

I basically didn't want to think about this anymore, except now I'm
choosing a shirt color for myself and don't feel comfortable choosing
something that very few other people will ever wear.

On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 11:18:21AM +, William Hale (Salt) wrote:
> Would someone start a new thread with mock-ups of the final options?
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:20:33 -0800
> Diana Connolly  wrote:
>
> > Quite simply, all we need now is the final graphics in a form I can
> > hand off to Bluemill, and a choice of sizes and colors for at least
> > 24 shirts. Remember, shirt color changes cost nothing.
> >
> > If people would like to start sending me their choices, I will
> > compile a list.
> >
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Re: [Design] business-cards

[Bryan Richter]

On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 12:45:02PM +0100, Robert Martinez (mray) wrote:
> What do we need on our business cards?
> 
> 
> our logo (long)
> our slogan (free the commons)
> Name
> Position
> e-mail (do we have @snowdrift.coop mails?!)
> phone number (?)
> other info (?)

Other things we could add:

PGP fingerprint
IRC nickname

I don't want to put too much on. Less would be better. Here would be
my priorities (for discussion):

Logo (long)
Name
Slogan
PGP fingerprint
Email
Position
IRC nick
(no phone)

Three other thoughts:

1. I would like to suggest we keep one side blank so it can be
used to write situation-specific info.

2. I like the idea of having blank cards (no personal information) so
that the occasional volunteer has something they can put their name
on. I was passing out cards that said "Aaron Wolf" at previous events.
:P

3. Rather than using a PGP fingerprint, I would almost rather list a
Keybase ID: https://keybase.io/chreekat. But probably not.


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Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Diana Connolly]

Jeez, I'm realizing I referred to a "light blue" a couple of emails back,
which should have been "cool blue". Sorry for the confusion.

So much for a *final* email. Heh.

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Diana Connolly 
wrote:

> some clarification: by "not available" I mean not in stock in Portland,
> but can be ordered from manufacturer, which incurs a small fee, and I've
> got an email out to find out exactly what that fee is.
>
> Also for clarification, "cool blue" is what you guys simply call "dark" on
> the merch page.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Diana Connolly 
> wrote:
>
>> Here is my final recommendation:
>>
>> Have 4 colors available:
>>
>> Light: White and Heather grey with blue ink
>> Dark: Cool Blue and Warm Grey with white ink
>>
>> - You already have 4 shirts showing on the website, keep that number the
>> same, but add the new colors and make it clear all options are available
>> for both men and women.
>>
>> - Remove the option for additional color choices for simplification. You
>> can always add it later.
>>
>> Final note: the light blue is the only one not available for women, but
>> it can be ordered for a small additional charge; I don't think it will add
>> much or change the time requirement. I wish Light Grey were available, but
>> it is not for women. If you look at all the options, they are different for
>> men and women.
>>
>> Diana
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Diana Connolly > > wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, Mock up the warm grey.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Aaron Wolf 
>>> wrote:
>>>


 On 01/05/2016 11:26 AM, Bryan Richter wrote:
 > There seems to have been a major foulup in communication about shirt
 > colors.
 >
 > Diana chose shirt colors and got consensus on those colors. Some of
 > the colors she chose are on backorder for ladies's sizes, but they're
 > still available. Then, those colors were scrapped entirely and
 > different ones were added to the newly-created /merchandise page. That
 > page also unhelpfully links to the entire available palette, which is
 > also contrary to the original plan (paradox of choice, dilution of
 > brand).
 >

 You're somewhat mistaken. Only the cool blue women's is back-ordered.

 Diana's light-color (Light Gray) does not EXIST in women's.
 The both-sex light colors are white and *maybe* heather-gray if that
 works enough, but we need to print and see if it turns out light enough.

 Diana said she thought that Cool Blue was GOOD and we should use it
 because it's nice *and* matches the site.

 The whole summary is: there are TWO good dark shirts Diana suggested;
 but the light shirt situation is tough (reasons… …), and yet that's the
 more conservative basic design :P

 So, Robert made his mockup with that situation, and we asked about
 whether Warm Gray should be added to the mockup, but nobody replied on
 that.

 I don't like the "more choices" per se, and that's why it was asked
 about on the list, and I asked Diana also, but she didn't object or
 directly address that (but did tell me that *she* would like Warm Gray).

 > There were a few emails in this thread that were, unfortunately, too
 > long and unfocused for me to have time to read. Was it one of those
 > that discussed these changes?
 >

 Okay, sorry about the length.

 > Are we all satisfied with the current state of affairs?
 >

 Well, Diana told me she doesn't mind the situation, but I don't know if
 she would think that showing Warm Gray would be better or worse. I'd
 like that answered potentially.

 > I basically didn't want to think about this anymore, except now I'm
 > choosing a shirt color for myself and don't feel comfortable choosing
 > something that very few other people will ever wear.
 >

 I don't think Warm Gray is too weird, and I was going to get an extra
 for myself in that color. This is a test run sort of, and we can
 re-order later.

 I'd like a decision from Diana about whether we should emphasize /
 mockup the Warm Gray.

 > On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 11:18:21AM +, William Hale (Salt) wrote:
 >> Would someone start a new thread with mock-ups of the final options?
 >>
 >> Thanks!
 >>
 >> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:20:33 -0800
 >> Diana Connolly  wrote:
 >>
 >>> Quite simply, all we need now is the final graphics in a form I can
 >>> hand off to Bluemill, and a choice of sizes and colors for at least
 >>> 24 shirts. Remember, shirt color changes cost nothing.
 >>>
 >>> If people would like to start sending me their choices, I will
 >>> compile a list.
 >>>
 >> 

Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Aaron Wolf]

Hi Stephen,

Your proposal makes chooses Cool Blue and Warm Gray, and actually, those
two would probably be the best colors, but I don't think Warm Gray will
work with the light design… Basically, everything is better with dark
shirts.

There's actually no need per se for light shirt to be light, it's just
that the cleaner conservative design with the shovel image works best on
a light shirt.

I agree this is too much time and is frustrating. It would take a couple
more paragraphs for me to even discuss the options now.

QUESTION: Should we add the Warm Gray to the mockups specifically? Try
it with the light design?

On 01/05/2016 11:35 AM, Michel, Stephen J. wrote:
> Proposal:
> 
> 1. Pick two colors, and two colors only.
> 2. Both colors must be available in both Mens and Womens.
> 3. One must be warm, and one must be cool.
> 4. One must be dark, one must be light.
> 
> In short, offer Cool Blue and Warm Grey colors (if I haven't gotten all the 
> constraints mixed up -- can someone confirm that these two colors fit my 4 
> above constraints?), and be done with it. We've spent far too much effort on 
> this already, IMO.
> 
> From: Design [design-boun...@lists.snowdrift.coop] on behalf of Bryan Richter 
> [b...@chreekat.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 14:26
> To: design@lists.snowdrift.coop
> Subject: Re: [Design] shirt colors
> 
> There seems to have been a major foulup in communication about shirt
> colors.
> 
> Diana chose shirt colors and got consensus on those colors. Some of
> the colors she chose are on backorder for ladies's sizes, but they're
> still available. Then, those colors were scrapped entirely and
> different ones were added to the newly-created /merchandise page. That
> page also unhelpfully links to the entire available palette, which is
> also contrary to the original plan (paradox of choice, dilution of
> brand).
> 
> There were a few emails in this thread that were, unfortunately, too
> long and unfocused for me to have time to read. Was it one of those
> that discussed these changes?
> 
> Are we all satisfied with the current state of affairs?
> 
> I basically didn't want to think about this anymore, except now I'm
> choosing a shirt color for myself and don't feel comfortable choosing
> something that very few other people will ever wear.
> 
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 11:18:21AM +, William Hale (Salt) wrote:
>> Would someone start a new thread with mock-ups of the final options?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:20:33 -0800
>> Diana Connolly  wrote:
>>
>>> Quite simply, all we need now is the final graphics in a form I can
>>> hand off to Bluemill, and a choice of sizes and colors for at least
>>> 24 shirts. Remember, shirt color changes cost nothing.
>>>
>>> If people would like to start sending me their choices, I will
>>> compile a list.
>>>
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Re: [Design] Getting intro messaging feedback at SCALE

[Aaron Wolf]

Nice!

On 01/05/2016 12:42 PM, Michael Siepmann wrote:
> On 12/30/2015 09:17 PM, Michael Siepmann wrote:
>> On 12/30/2015 03:45 PM, Aaron Wolf wrote:
>>> On 12/30/2015 12:47 PM, Michael Siepmann wrote:
 Good to meet several of you via Jitsi Meet on Monday.  Here is an
 initial draft idea for a way to get feedback on introductory messaging
 from people who visit the Snowdrift.coop booth at SCALE. 
  
 
>>  
> 
> Here are drafts of feedback response sheets for booth guests and a
> tent-style sign to put on the table next to the stapled response
> sheets.  I tried printing the response sheets double-sided in
> monochrome, and I think it will work OK that way.  Printing in color
> would be somewhat preferable for the screenshots but is not essential.
> 

Looking over the screen-shots already, and in light of discussion about
metaphors, I propose we clean up the wording (which wasn't carefully
thought through yet) first.

* how about "Join us!" instead of "Join us in setting…" ?
* maybe for now we drop the "Let's clear the path…" line? (although I
like the clear-the-path for the metaphor, I don't like the rest of that
line)
* I was emphasizing this more before, but I'm going to push for it a
little more strongly now: I think we should use the term "public goods"
in our introductory context (and thus the term will be there for people
to provide feedback about). It's the best, most accurate term, and the
question is whether it comes across clearly, hence feedback forms like this…


> For those of you who will be hosting the booth, it's probably worth
> printing it out too for purposes of reviewing this draft in the form it
> will be used.
> 

Yes, once we think it's a final "release candidate" so to speak, and I
think it's very close.

Two minor notes:

* I don't really like the title case on the tent

* The "Now please discuss" sounds a bit too strongly imperative, like it
isn't optional, you must now do this, even with the please. Not sure how
to improve, maybe just put underneath the "optional" heading or have
another "optional" marker?

> I also plan to draft a short guide for hosts / interviewers.
> 

Great!


> (The .odt files use fonts I have in Ubuntu 15.10.  In case you don't
> have the same fonts I'm attaching as .pdf too.)
> 

For future reference, we have fonts connected with the design which
should be at least considered for things like this (although they are
focused as being web fonts over print I think). See
https://snowdrift.coop/p/snowdrift/w/en/design-guide#fonts

Note that the fonts files are included in the snowdrift codebase
already, so you can get them there rather than hassle with downloading
otherwise.


> Best,
> 
> Michael
> 
> 

Overall, I think this will be really helpful, great work, thanks!

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Re: [Design] shirt colors

[Bryan Richter]

On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 12:02:52PM -0800, Diana Connolly wrote:
> Jeez, I'm realizing I referred to a "light blue" a couple of emails back,
> which should have been "cool blue". Sorry for the confusion.
> 
> So much for a *final* email. Heh.

Heh, ok. To put all the information in one place again:

Recommendations:

1. Heather Gray with blue ink
2. White with blue ink

3. Cool Blue with white ink
4. Warm Gray with white ink

Do not link to the other colors.

Note that Cool Blue for ladies requires a small amount of extra time
and money.


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[Design] Process toward full specs for project page

[Aaron Wolf]

I've now drafted all the core items for the needs of the page for each
project here:

http://flurry.snowdrift.coop:2040/shared/3G5iuOrbvc-mPUJvIUsV0fSYD9MGzoU_W44wSa6cYn0

The current mockup from Robert serves some but not all the issues I
brought up, there are some questions, and there are concerns about the
tab-navigation design in the mockup, and various other issues.

Lets discuss from here and

1. come to consensus about the full final spec

2. figure out which parts of the spec to aim for by SCALE

3. among the MVP, SCALE items, prioritize

4. assign / claim tasks

So we're at step 1 still despite having some good stuff to start with
there. Everyone, please help us finalize that step ASAP.

We can use the *chat* part of the etherpad, some posting on this email
list is acceptable, and we can do IRC and video chats wherever appropriate.

Cheers,
Aaron

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