Re: [Bug 106060] Re: [r128 1002:5446] Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive.
-- Original message -- From: opto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Ronald, Tormod and others for your comments. Thought I'd provide a brief update: I took a shortcut approach to fixing the Rage 128 problem...I swapped the card for another brand and I am able to get past the screensaver problem. Best part about Linux is the community support. Thanks. -- [r128 1002:5446] Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106060 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Wow! A resourceful user. I'm impressed, but I can't ignore the feeling that you've been a Microsoft customer. Our new OS version doesn't work on your computer? Well, sounds like you need to get a new one, so it will. :-) The screensaver for gnome shipped with Ubuntu 6.10 worked fine with the Rage 128, which is as common as dirt. Lots of users turn to Linux because they can't afford a PC that will run XP or Vista. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think it's okay to ship software with Ubuntu 7.04 that no longer works on what I believe is very common hardware, then leave it in the package when delivering 7.10, 8.04 and 8.10. That just doesn't seem right. At least eight other modules no longer display correctly - it's been so long since I ran the tests that I've forgotten exactly how many became broken. I listed them all in my comments at the time - over a year and a half ago. I did that in the hope that it would help identify where the code broke. Code that used to work is easier to fix than code that never worked, and this code used to work. I'm not saying I could fix it, but *someone* should be able to. If not, some kind of statement should be issued to the user community, saying Yes, it used to work, and now it doesn't, but we don't have the resources to fix it, so we suggest you replace your Rage 128 video card with one of these: and then list a few that the software does support. Even that would be better than releasing four new versions without fixing the bug, and not giving us closure. I sincerely hope I don't get blasted for this note, as I am a huge *fan* of Ubuntu. I have talked it up to people ever since I started using it. I just think that the present situation makes the whole organization and Ubuntu look bad, and I care too much about both to ignore that. I'm a retired programmer of mission-critical industrial applications, where software bugs could injure or kill people. We had to make sure it all worked before we deployed it. One of my programs ran in simulation mode every four seconds for a month before being accepted for release. QA was everything. (Of course, we were all getting paid, but price does not equate to quality, does it? No.) Jerry -- [r128 1002:5446] Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106060 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-screensaver in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 106060] Re: [r128 1002:5446] Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive.
Hi, I, too, am disappointed that this bug has not been fixed in over 1.5 years. I encountered it in mid-April of 2007, right after upgrading to Ubuntu 7.04. I also have the offending Rage 128, as I'm sure many hundreds do. This bug was not present prior to the 7.04 upgrade, so I would think it would be relatively easy to find, assuming anyone has looked at the offending code. At least 8 other Screensaver modules stopped displaying properly, as well. When I complained, someone provided me with a set of 2 or 3 commands to enter, after opening the ( Applications - Accessories - Terminal ) window. The commands are fairly short and straightforward, but I don't remember the exact commands, so maybe someone will be kind enough to supply them. If you don't hear from anyone in a day or two, email me, and I will try to find where I wrote them down, and email them back to you. I know this is very frustrating, but there are quite a few of us living with it, so welcome aboard! Jerry, 65, retired programmer in Eugene, Oregon, USA -- Original message -- From: opto [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am new to Linux and Ubuntu and have the apparently troublesome Rage 128. I was surprised (disappointed) to encounter the Molecules bug 10 minutes after my first install of Ubuntu 8.10. I can't change it because entering the screensaver menu freezes the system. I must reinstall Ubuntu (or remove the Molecule file) if I want to avoid rebooting the system using the power cord. Not a very encouraging intro to Linux and Ubuntu. It crashed almost as many times in one evening as with the other OS over 5 years. I used my older computer system and at the time the Rage 128 cards were very popular for home and business. There are likely many more users that will encounter this problem. I'm now concerned other applications that may have similar problems with this card.Hopefully this bug will get some needed attention. Also helpful is to disable the preview as the default when entering the screensaver menu. That would allow bypassing the bug. Thanks. -- [r128 1002:5446] Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106060 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- [r128 1002:5446] Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106060 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-screensaver in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 106060] Re: Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive.
-- Original message -- From: Tormod Volden [EMAIL PROTECTED] (I got this from Phillip in private mail) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 Pro Ultra TF [1002:5446] -- Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106060 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Glad to see someone is finally looking into this bug, which I encountered way back in April of 07. My PC also had an ATI Rage Pro video card. At the time I commented on the reported bug (106060), I reported that I'd discovered that about 6 other modules started displaying incorrectly at the same time this bug appeared, which I thought would help someone find and fix it. The ATI cards are very common in older PCs, which are the ones most likely to need operating systems when acquired, and Ubuntu is better than Win 98, IMHO, being current, which allows a modern browser to be used. And free. When a person buys or builds a PC for $100 or so, they aren't anxious to shell out another $100 or so for Windoze. Ubuntu is a great alternative! Jerry (65, retired, real-time programmer/systems analyst, 1970-1993) -- Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106060 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-screensaver in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 106060] Re: Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive.
Hi, Thanks for the info you sent. But as it doesn't actually correct whatever is wrong with the Molecule screensaver module, I would not call it a fix, but only a workaround. My own fix is to make darn sure I never select that module from the list. Apparently the problem was not widespread, but specific to only a few (although quite common) video cards, so it didn't negatively impact a large enough user base to warrant devoting a large-scale effort to diagnose and treat it, and that's fine. Jerry -- Original message -- From: Nietzsche Keen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I found the solution to the Molecule screensaver freeze problem! 1. go into the Terminal application (under Accessories) 2. enter: gedit .gconf/apps/gnome-screensaver/%gconf.xml 3. in the box that pops up you'll see: screensavers-molecule 4. change molecule to one of the working screensavers, such as: screensavers-sonar 5. restart The message from Xan 2007-12-03 up above suggests a way to remove molecule, but I haven't tried it. Good luck! -- Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106060 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106060 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-screensaver in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 106060] Re: Selecting the braid screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive.
dondad, I don't mean to be argumentative, but the Molecule freeze appears to be more thorough. The keyboard and mouse do not work. At all. The only thing that works is a hard-reset with the power key, or unplugging the PC. Molecule did not freeze up my Mac, but it took MANY minutes before a molecule appeared on the screen - about 20 or 30. The 32-bit PC version just locks up solid. This was reported in April, and nothing has been fixed. You do have an impressive array of hardware, though. Mine is minimal. Jerry -- Original message -- From: dondad [EMAIL PROTECTED] I got the same freeze with the braid screensaver. In my case, it looks like it updates about once every few minutes. I clicked a different screensaver and was finally able to get it to respond and deselect braid. System specs: 1 223-0533XPS 410n, Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6320 (1.86GHz,1066FSB) with 4MB cache 1 311-51212GB DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz 1 310-7963Dell USB Keyboard 1 320-533819 in (19 in viewable)SP1908FPSilver, Flat Panel Display 1 320-4944NVIDIA GeForce 7300 LE 1 341-3257250GB SATA II Hard Drive (7200RPM) 1 341-3865No Floppy Drive Requested 1 420-7143Ubuntu Desktop Edition version7.04 1 310-7966Dell Optical USB Mouse 1 313-3607No modem requested for Dell Dimension 1 313-442216X DVD+R/RW CD-RW Combination Drive 1 313-2758Integrated Audio 1 313-4062AS501 10W Flat Panel Stereo Speakers for 1704, 1905,2001FPFlat Panels -- Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106060 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106060 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-screensaver in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 117482] Re: Screensaver locks up when using molecules
Evidently this bug is a duplicate of Bug #106060, as all the symptoms are the same, and the hardware software are the same. Anyone looking for more information should be able to find it in that bug report. It showed up in updates distributed 04-10-2007. I don't know about everyone's workload, but I would think that after more than 5 months since this crasher bug was reported, someone could have removed or blocked the Molecule module so at least it won't bother users until it can be fixed to work. Not everyone is capable of using the gconf editor to de-select Molecule so they don't have to re-install their operating system. :-) It's like leaving a live bomb lying where kids play. Couldn't we at least put it away somewhere until we can defuse it? It's not an essential part of the system - it's just an optional frill - so removing the option to choose it seems like a good workaround. -- Screensaver locks up when using molecules https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/117482 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-screensaver in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 106060] Re: Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive.
Scanning the list of Gnome Screensaver bugs, I discovered that Bug #117482 is apparently a duplicate of this bug. The users commenting on it are reporting exactly the same symptoms as this bug exhibits. They are also using the ATI Rage 128 video card. So it's the same problem, with the same hardware, Ubuntu version, and software. -- Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106060 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-screensaver in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 106060] Re: Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive.
Feisty! I just spent 13 hours installing the upgrade to 7.04, hoping it would fix the Gnome-screensaver bug (106060). It didn't. My PC still froze as soon as I opened the Screensaver window, since Molecule was still selected. Is there a way to edit or trash the Gnome-screensaver-preferences file? If I had known this bug would carry through the upgrade, I would have re-installed 6.10 to clear the preferences file before doing the upgrade. Jerry -- Original message -- From: Sebastien Bacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] you can use gconf-editor and go to /apps/gnome-screensaver to change the hack used, could you attach the requested logs to the bug though? -- Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106060 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106060 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106060 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-screensaver in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 106060] Re: Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive.
Hello, I don't know whether you have anything to do with maintaining Ubuntu, but I got copied on your note, so I'm sending you information. This bug (106060) showed up with the updates that were installed on or about 4/13/07. At the same time, several of the other screensaver modules stopped working correctly. I know they worked correctly before these last updates. I think this failure might very well be related to 106060. Some of the Gnome-Screensaver modules that no longer display properly are: AntInspect, AntSpotlight, Moebius, Pipes, Regular 4D Polytopes, Polyhedra, Spheremonics, and Superquadratics. I didn't find any others. This problem appears on both the 32-bit PC version and the 32-bit Mac version, although Molecule does not freeze my G3 running OS X 10.2.8. It stops the system clock while it's calculating molecules, but the system is still responsive to mouse and keyboard input, unlike my PCs, which aren't. I would really like to see this bug fixed ASAP, as I have a client's computer ready to deliver, but if he chooses Molecule, his PC will freeze, and I will get a support call, and he will blame me for the problem. This I don't want. Jerry in Eugene, Oregon -- Original message -- From: Sebastien Bacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] you can use gconf-editor and go to /apps/gnome-screensaver to change the hack used, could you attach the requested logs to the bug though? -- Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106060 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106060 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-screensaver in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 106060] Re: Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive.
Oops! My G3 has three operating systems installed: OS 9, OS 10.2.8, and Ubuntu 6.10. While it is CURRENTLY running OS X, it was obviously (I hope) running Ubuntu at the time of the Screensaver tests I ran. Sorry if this caused any confusion. Jerry -- Original message -- From: Sebastien Bacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] you can use gconf-editor and go to /apps/gnome-screensaver to change the hack used, could you attach the requested logs to the bug though? -- Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106060 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106060 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-screensaver in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 106060] Re: Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive.
I can definitely confirm this bug. It freezes two different PCs, both running Ubuntu 6.10, i386 version. It also stalls in the Macintosh version, but does not freeze the system. It never produces a screensaver, but was responsive to mouse clicks and keyboard selections. Both PCs had to be hard reset. I left one PC alone for over an hour, and when I moved the mouse the screen lit up and had a molecule displayed on it, but the computer was otherwise completely unresponsive to all but a hard reset. I think that if I could trash the usr/bin/gnome-screensaver-preferences file, it would remove the need to re-install Ubuntu from the CD, but it belongs to root, and the system won't let me delete it. -- Selecting the Molecule screensaver makes the PC freeze. It is completely unresponsive. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106060 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gnome-screensaver in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
