Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
I think the original thread was to talk about the new plans for GNOME 3.12. If you want to have a flame about or against FreeBSD, you should start a new thread, having this one to discuss about plans and some new features for 3.12. Thanks 2013/9/24 Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote: > > Hey Andrew, Zeeshan, > > > > 2013/9/24 Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) : > >> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Andrew W. Nosenko > >> wrote: > >>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Jasper St. Pierre > >>> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Andy Tai wrote: > > > > what would this mean for systems not using systemd? > > > Systems not using systemd already fall back to ConsoleKit, which does > not > have any maintainer. We don't support features like suspend or > hibernate on > ConsoleKit anymore and it's pretty much on life support only at this > point. > > For 3.12, we will keep the old gnome-session and gdm code that uses > ConsoleKit and fork/exec ourselves in the case where you compile > without > logind support, but I wouldn't expect it to be around much longer. > > Do you have any specific examples of systems not using systemd that > you > would like to run GNOME on? > > >>> > >>> Did you heard about FreeBSD? > >> > >> How many people use FreeBSD? I doubt its a significant enough number > >> for us to spend our time and resources on it. > > > > Really? How many people use GNU/Linux distros? From that POV we are > > better off targeting Android. I don't think GNOME is in the OS > > popularity contest. > > Android is not free, I said 'free'. If FreeBSD had users comparable to > that of Linux, why is it that in almost every other free software > project, developers target Linux first, if they target any other free > OS at all. We can't buildup a complete system based on Android anyway > even if it was free since its already a complete system. > > > There are much more compelling answers to Andrew's request, and I for > > one would like to see people working on getting GNOME working on BSD's > > as long as they understand that the majority of people run Linux and > > that we are trying to achieve a certain level of integration with the > > OS and that we expect certain features and services to achieve GNOME's > > goals. > > > > People can get GNOME working on the *BSDs, but is the developers > > running those OSes the ones that have to figure out a way to catch up > > with Linux and work with upstreams, it's just not realistic > > Surely. As I already apologized, "FreeBSD users should just go away" > is not at all what I meant to say. However, my rather impolite comment > was in reply to his comment that sounded very much like "Why are you > guys not caring about FreeBSD?". > > >>> PS. Do you know any OS that _uses_ systemd at all beside Linux? > >> > >> But apparently its the only free OS worth caring about. I think Jasper > >> was asking about distros as I'm pretty sure he is well aware that > >> systemd doesn't run on an archaic OSs, such as FreeBSD. > > > > Worth caring about? I care about any OS that has an OSI approved > > license, I happen to run some incarnation of GNU/Linux and I try to > > make things work on that one because it's the one I use. But that > > doesn't mean that other OSes are not worthy of care by other people. > > It's just up to those people to try to get things running on it. > > By "not caring about", I mean us not thinking about it when we design > and implement various GNOME components. That is a fact and unless > there is some FreeBSD developers stepping-up and changing that, it > will remain to be the case. I only intended to make this clear. Once > again, I apologise that it came out so harshly and apparently also so > misleading. > > -- > Regards, > > Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) > FSF member#5124 > ___ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list > ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote: > Hey Andrew, Zeeshan, > > 2013/9/24 Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) : >> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Andrew W. Nosenko >> wrote: >>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Jasper St. Pierre >>> wrote: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Andy Tai wrote: > > what would this mean for systems not using systemd? Systems not using systemd already fall back to ConsoleKit, which does not have any maintainer. We don't support features like suspend or hibernate on ConsoleKit anymore and it's pretty much on life support only at this point. For 3.12, we will keep the old gnome-session and gdm code that uses ConsoleKit and fork/exec ourselves in the case where you compile without logind support, but I wouldn't expect it to be around much longer. Do you have any specific examples of systems not using systemd that you would like to run GNOME on? >>> >>> Did you heard about FreeBSD? >> >> How many people use FreeBSD? I doubt its a significant enough number >> for us to spend our time and resources on it. > > Really? How many people use GNU/Linux distros? From that POV we are > better off targeting Android. I don't think GNOME is in the OS > popularity contest. Android is not free, I said 'free'. If FreeBSD had users comparable to that of Linux, why is it that in almost every other free software project, developers target Linux first, if they target any other free OS at all. We can't buildup a complete system based on Android anyway even if it was free since its already a complete system. > There are much more compelling answers to Andrew's request, and I for > one would like to see people working on getting GNOME working on BSD's > as long as they understand that the majority of people run Linux and > that we are trying to achieve a certain level of integration with the > OS and that we expect certain features and services to achieve GNOME's > goals. > > People can get GNOME working on the *BSDs, but is the developers > running those OSes the ones that have to figure out a way to catch up > with Linux and work with upstreams, it's just not realistic Surely. As I already apologized, "FreeBSD users should just go away" is not at all what I meant to say. However, my rather impolite comment was in reply to his comment that sounded very much like "Why are you guys not caring about FreeBSD?". >>> PS. Do you know any OS that _uses_ systemd at all beside Linux? >> >> But apparently its the only free OS worth caring about. I think Jasper >> was asking about distros as I'm pretty sure he is well aware that >> systemd doesn't run on an archaic OSs, such as FreeBSD. > > Worth caring about? I care about any OS that has an OSI approved > license, I happen to run some incarnation of GNU/Linux and I try to > make things work on that one because it's the one I use. But that > doesn't mean that other OSes are not worthy of care by other people. > It's just up to those people to try to get things running on it. By "not caring about", I mean us not thinking about it when we design and implement various GNOME components. That is a fact and unless there is some FreeBSD developers stepping-up and changing that, it will remain to be the case. I only intended to make this clear. Once again, I apologise that it came out so harshly and apparently also so misleading. -- Regards, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) FSF member#5124 ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
Le 24/09/2013 15:44, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) a écrit : > But apparently its the only free OS worth caring about. I think Jasper > was asking about distros as I'm pretty sure he is well aware that > systemd doesn't run on an archaic OSs, such as FreeBSD. Would you please people stop presenting things this way ? Telling people that if they want the work done for their platform, they should contribute is ok. Telling them their platform is archaic is not, and is pedantic. I hate when people use offensive words for GNOME, that's not to use them when I'm on the other side of the fence. Please let people use what they want, and be cooperative so they can achieve their goal, as long as it doesn't give you too much work. FYI, I've not even used any *BSD system in my whole life, but being a Linux user, I know what it is to be part of a beaten-down minority. Seems some of you forgot it. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
On Tue, 2013-09-24 at 10:44 +0200, Julien Blanc wrote: > I know this has been already discussed a lot, but application menu is > currently broken. I think pretty much every point you raised is a valid problem. Some attention is needed here at the design level. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > But apparently its the only free OS worth caring about. I think Jasper > was asking about distros as I'm pretty sure he is well aware that > systemd doesn't run on an archaic OSs, such as FreeBSD. No need to be insulting. Fred ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
hi; On 24 September 2013 08:03, Andrew W. Nosenko wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Jasper St. Pierre > wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Andy Tai wrote: >>> >>> what would this mean for systems not using systemd? >> >> >> Systems not using systemd already fall back to ConsoleKit, which does not >> have any maintainer. We don't support features like suspend or hibernate on >> ConsoleKit anymore and it's pretty much on life support only at this point. >> >> For 3.12, we will keep the old gnome-session and gdm code that uses >> ConsoleKit and fork/exec ourselves in the case where you compile without >> logind support, but I wouldn't expect it to be around much longer. >> >> Do you have any specific examples of systems not using systemd that you >> would like to run GNOME on? >> > > Did you heard about FreeBSD? nothing has really changed in that respect. FreeBSD developers and users should follow the great example of Antoine, who has been hard at work to ensure that GNOME builds and works on OpenBSD. it's an undeniable reality that most of the developers in GNOME use Linux, which means things get developed, tested, fixed, and designed on Linux first. the only way to counter eventual breakage on other systems is to work upstream. ciao, Emmanuele. -- W: http://www.emmanuelebassi.name B: http://blogs.gnome.org/ebassi/ ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Andrew W. Nosenko > wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Jasper St. Pierre >> wrote: >>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Andy Tai wrote: what would this mean for systems not using systemd? >>> >>> >>> Systems not using systemd already fall back to ConsoleKit, which does not >>> have any maintainer. We don't support features like suspend or hibernate on >>> ConsoleKit anymore and it's pretty much on life support only at this point. >>> >>> For 3.12, we will keep the old gnome-session and gdm code that uses >>> ConsoleKit and fork/exec ourselves in the case where you compile without >>> logind support, but I wouldn't expect it to be around much longer. >>> >>> Do you have any specific examples of systems not using systemd that you >>> would like to run GNOME on? >>> >> >> Did you heard about FreeBSD? > > How many people use FreeBSD? I doubt its a significant enough number > for us to spend our time and resources on it. > >> PS. Do you know any OS that _uses_ systemd at all beside Linux? > > But apparently its the only free OS worth caring about. I think Jasper > was asking about distros as I'm pretty sure he is well aware that > systemd doesn't run on an archaic OSs, such as FreeBSD. Sorry it came out so harsh. I only intended to make it clear that Linux is the main (if not, the only) target most GNOME developers focus on. Jasper said it much better. Anyway, apologies. -- Regards, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) FSF member#5124 ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
Hey Andrew, Zeeshan, 2013/9/24 Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) : > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Andrew W. Nosenko > wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Jasper St. Pierre >> wrote: >>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Andy Tai wrote: what would this mean for systems not using systemd? >>> >>> >>> Systems not using systemd already fall back to ConsoleKit, which does not >>> have any maintainer. We don't support features like suspend or hibernate on >>> ConsoleKit anymore and it's pretty much on life support only at this point. >>> >>> For 3.12, we will keep the old gnome-session and gdm code that uses >>> ConsoleKit and fork/exec ourselves in the case where you compile without >>> logind support, but I wouldn't expect it to be around much longer. >>> >>> Do you have any specific examples of systems not using systemd that you >>> would like to run GNOME on? >>> >> >> Did you heard about FreeBSD? > > How many people use FreeBSD? I doubt its a significant enough number > for us to spend our time and resources on it. Really? How many people use GNU/Linux distros? From that POV we are better off targeting Android. I don't think GNOME is in the OS popularity contest. There are much more compelling answers to Andrew's request, and I for one would like to see people working on getting GNOME working on BSD's as long as they understand that the majority of people run Linux and that we are trying to achieve a certain level of integration with the OS and that we expect certain features and services to achieve GNOME's goals. People can get GNOME working on the *BSDs, but is the developers running those OSes the ones that have to figure out a way to catch up with Linux and work with upstreams, it's just not realistic >> PS. Do you know any OS that _uses_ systemd at all beside Linux? > > But apparently its the only free OS worth caring about. I think Jasper > was asking about distros as I'm pretty sure he is well aware that > systemd doesn't run on an archaic OSs, such as FreeBSD. Worth caring about? I care about any OS that has an OSI approved license, I happen to run some incarnation of GNU/Linux and I try to make things work on that one because it's the one I use. But that doesn't mean that other OSes are not worthy of care by other people. It's just up to those people to try to get things running on it. > > -- > Regards, > > Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) > FSF member#5124 > ___ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Andrew W. Nosenko < andrew.w.nose...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Jasper St. Pierre > wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Andy Tai wrote: > >> > >> what would this mean for systems not using systemd? > > > > > > Systems not using systemd already fall back to ConsoleKit, which does not > > have any maintainer. We don't support features like suspend or hibernate > on > > ConsoleKit anymore and it's pretty much on life support only at this > point. > > > > For 3.12, we will keep the old gnome-session and gdm code that uses > > ConsoleKit and fork/exec ourselves in the case where you compile without > > logind support, but I wouldn't expect it to be around much longer. > > > > Do you have any specific examples of systems not using systemd that you > > would like to run GNOME on? > > > > Did you heard about FreeBSD? > > PS. Do you know any OS that _uses_ systemd at all beside Linux? > The situation is the same as always: if somebody wants to maintain the services to run on FreeBSD, you're very welcome to do that. But unless somebody does the work, the existing code will probably get rusty and broken. -- > Andrew W. Nosenko > -- Jasper ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Andrew W. Nosenko wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Jasper St. Pierre > wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Andy Tai wrote: >>> >>> what would this mean for systems not using systemd? >> >> >> Systems not using systemd already fall back to ConsoleKit, which does not >> have any maintainer. We don't support features like suspend or hibernate on >> ConsoleKit anymore and it's pretty much on life support only at this point. >> >> For 3.12, we will keep the old gnome-session and gdm code that uses >> ConsoleKit and fork/exec ourselves in the case where you compile without >> logind support, but I wouldn't expect it to be around much longer. >> >> Do you have any specific examples of systems not using systemd that you >> would like to run GNOME on? >> > > Did you heard about FreeBSD? How many people use FreeBSD? I doubt its a significant enough number for us to spend our time and resources on it. > PS. Do you know any OS that _uses_ systemd at all beside Linux? But apparently its the only free OS worth caring about. I think Jasper was asking about distros as I'm pretty sure he is well aware that systemd doesn't run on an archaic OSs, such as FreeBSD. -- Regards, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) FSF member#5124 ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
Ok, I've created the following page: https://wiki.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/AppDataGnomeSoftware and added it as a candidate in the goals list. Cheers! 2013/9/23 Matthias Clasen > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Daniel Mustieles García > wrote: > > > > Matthias: just a question about the wiki: do I create the goal as an > > accepted on o as a goal candidate? > > I would file it as a candidate. We'll probably do a few rounds of > adding information, etc, before it is ready to be accepted... > ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
Le 2013-09-23 14:33, Matthias Clasen a écrit : Hi, But maybe there are other things that people are working on, or want to work on for 3.12 ? Now is the time to make your ideas known, and turn them into concrete plans. Hi, I know this has been already discussed a lot, but application menu is currently broken. There are some well-known issues, such as : - multi-screen (application menu is really single screen oriented) - focus follows mouse unfriendlyness But the main concern imho is that the behaviour is completely inconsistent between applications. Let’s say we have 4 types of application : 1) single window, single instance application (example : shotwell). These ones fits well with the application menu 2) multiple windows, single instance applications (example : epiphany/web). These ones also fits well with the application menu model, but there are inconsistencies between applications. 3) single window, multiple instance applications (example : gnome-calculator). These ones are a mess. 4) multiple windows, multiple instance applications (example : inkscape). These ones are also a mess. Testing with gnome-3.8 on a debian sid/experimental (maybe some issues have already been fixed in 3.10, but in this case i missed them), we have the following behaviours : gnome-terminal (2): - opening multiple windows : using quit on application menu only closes active window gnome-web, nautilus (2): - opening multiple windows : using quit on application menu closes all windows gimp (2) : - application menu is not available when focus is on a tool window - "Application Menu"->"Quit" doesn’t quit. It does a « close all », which closes all images but doesn’t quit gimp. evince (2) : - no quit button in application menu gnome-calculator (3) : - Mode only affects current window (note : this is agains design guidelines. Maybe it should be fixed at the gnome-calculator level). - switching mode, then switching window makes application menu inconsistent with current application state - quit only quits current window inkscape (4) : - using "File"->"Quit" quits only current process - using "Application Menu"->"Quit" quits all processes. I’m wondering how anyone can explain such behaviour differences to a user, during a training for example. IMHO, gnome-web / nautilus behaviour should be the standard. Multiple instance application should be made single-instance, multiple window (note that i am talking about instances, not processes. empathy is an example of single-instance, multi-process application), and should follow the same scheme as nautilus. So, here are the goals i would like to be added (by order of importance) : 1) complete the following page : https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/HIG/ApplicationMenus , with a description of the standard application menu item, the required ones (« quit » should be mandatory imho), and the expected behaviour for the applications, whether they are single or multi-process, single or multi-window. 2) Fix gnome applications that are not following the guidelines on application menu behaviour. 3) make applicaction menu multi-screen friendly. The MacOSX way (duplication of the menu bar on each screen) is ugly, but at least it’s more user friendly than nothing. Having the application menu on a different screen than the application window is definitely not a good idea. 4) make focus-follows-mouse and application menu work well together (this one is less important, since it only concerns a minority of users). Regards, Julien ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:03:41AM +0300, Andrew W. Nosenko wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Jasper St. Pierre > wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Andy Tai wrote: > >> > >> what would this mean for systems not using systemd? > > > > > > Systems not using systemd already fall back to ConsoleKit, which does not > > have any maintainer. We don't support features like suspend or hibernate on > > ConsoleKit anymore and it's pretty much on life support only at this point. > > > > For 3.12, we will keep the old gnome-session and gdm code that uses > > ConsoleKit and fork/exec ourselves in the case where you compile without > > logind support, but I wouldn't expect it to be around much longer. > > > > Do you have any specific examples of systems not using systemd that you > > would like to run GNOME on? > > > > Did you heard about FreeBSD? And OpenBSD for that matter. GNOME 3.8 works great: https://www.bsdfrog.org/tmp/gnome.webm -- Antoine ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Andy Tai wrote: >> >> what would this mean for systems not using systemd? > > > Systems not using systemd already fall back to ConsoleKit, which does not > have any maintainer. We don't support features like suspend or hibernate on > ConsoleKit anymore and it's pretty much on life support only at this point. > > For 3.12, we will keep the old gnome-session and gdm code that uses > ConsoleKit and fork/exec ourselves in the case where you compile without > logind support, but I wouldn't expect it to be around much longer. > > Do you have any specific examples of systems not using systemd that you > would like to run GNOME on? > Did you heard about FreeBSD? PS. Do you know any OS that _uses_ systemd at all beside Linux? -- Andrew W. Nosenko ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
Hi Andy, On Mon, 2013-09-23 at 12:50 -0700, Andy Tai wrote: > what would this mean for systems not using systemd? It wasn't hard to keep compatibility with the old way while working on the patches. Particularly since it requires not just a dependency on systemd, but bleeding edge systemd, with architectural issues still left to work out. I think the most important thing is to get applications in their own cgroups; redoing the internals of gnome-session is less useful for the near future. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Andy Tai wrote: > what would this mean for systems not using systemd? > Systems not using systemd already fall back to ConsoleKit, which does not have any maintainer. We don't support features like suspend or hibernate on ConsoleKit anymore and it's pretty much on life support only at this point. For 3.12, we will keep the old gnome-session and gdm code that uses ConsoleKit and fork/exec ourselves in the case where you compile without logind support, but I wouldn't expect it to be around much longer. Do you have any specific examples of systems not using systemd that you would like to run GNOME on? On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 5:33 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> with 3.10 getting wrapped up today, it is time to look ahead at the >> next cycle and start making plans for what we want to achieve. We've >> set up the usual page on the wiki to collect the plans: >> >> https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointEleven/Features >> >> >> - Systemd for the user session >> >> >> > > > -- > Andy Tai, a...@atai.org > Year 2010 民國99年 > 自動的精神力是信仰與覺悟 > 自動的行為力是勞動與技能 > > ___ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list > -- Jasper ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
what would this mean for systems not using systemd? On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 5:33 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Hi, > > with 3.10 getting wrapped up today, it is time to look ahead at the > next cycle and start making plans for what we want to achieve. We've > set up the usual page on the wiki to collect the plans: > > https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointEleven/Features > > > - Systemd for the user session > > > -- Andy Tai, a...@atai.org Year 2010 民國99年 自動的精神力是信仰與覺悟 自動的行為力是勞動與技能 ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
On 23 September 2013 14:46, Frederic Peters wrote: > This could also come after a review of the appdata schema, for things > like screenshot translations. The screenshots are translatable now, you just use a <_screenshot> link and change any en_US in the URL to your country code if a screenshot exists. I don't think we want to make this compulsory, it's quite a high bar to set. Richard. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Daniel Mustieles García wrote: > Matthias: just a question about the wiki: do I create the goal as an > accepted on o as a goal candidate? I would file it as a candidate. We'll probably do a few rounds of adding information, etc, before it is ready to be accepted... ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
Yes, the idea would be that all applications have their own Appdata, marked as translatable and verified with the script developed by hughsie. Matthias: just a question about the wiki: do I create the goal as an accepted on o as a goal candidate? Thanks! 2013/9/23 Frederic Peters > Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Mon, 2013-09-23 at 09:09 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > I think that would be a great idea - could you set up the goal wiki > > > page and link it from the gnome-software feature ? > > The goal should include that all appdata is marked for translation. > > This could also come after a review of the appdata schema, for things > like screenshot translations. > > > Fred > ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Mon, 2013-09-23 at 09:09 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > I think that would be a great idea - could you set up the goal wiki > > page and link it from the gnome-software feature ? > The goal should include that all appdata is marked for translation. This could also come after a review of the appdata schema, for things like screenshot translations. Fred ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
On Mon, 2013-09-23 at 09:09 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > I think that would be a great idea - could you set up the goal wiki > page and link it from the gnome-software feature ? The goal should include that all appdata is marked for translation. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Daniel Mustieles García wrote: > About GNOME Software, could we create a GNOME Goal to complete the missing > Appdata? I think that would be a great idea - could you set up the goal wiki page and link it from the gnome-software feature ? ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle
About GNOME Software, could we create a GNOME Goal to complete the missing Appdata? 2013/9/23 Matthias Clasen > Hi, > > with 3.10 getting wrapped up today, it is time to look ahead at the > next cycle and start making plans for what we want to achieve. We've > set up the usual page on the wiki to collect the plans: > > https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointEleven/Features > > And there is already some material there that has been carried over > from previous releases: > > - Integrate Facebook photos in GNOME Photos > > - Git integration in the developer experience > > - GNOME Software > > - Systemd for the user session > > - Colour Tinting in GNOME Shell > > - Videos application implementation > > - Complete the GNOME Wayland port > > - Integrate Zimbra in GNOME > > It would be good if the owners of these features could re-evaluate > them and decide if they should really be on the list of things we want > to achieve for 3.12. If not, then just remove the page. > > But maybe there are other things that people are working on, or want > to work on for 3.12 ? Now is the time to make your ideas known, and > turn them into concrete plans. > > Matthias > ___ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list > ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Opening the 3.12 cycle
Hi, with 3.10 getting wrapped up today, it is time to look ahead at the next cycle and start making plans for what we want to achieve. We've set up the usual page on the wiki to collect the plans: https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointEleven/Features And there is already some material there that has been carried over from previous releases: - Integrate Facebook photos in GNOME Photos - Git integration in the developer experience - GNOME Software - Systemd for the user session - Colour Tinting in GNOME Shell - Videos application implementation - Complete the GNOME Wayland port - Integrate Zimbra in GNOME It would be good if the owners of these features could re-evaluate them and decide if they should really be on the list of things we want to achieve for 3.12. If not, then just remove the page. But maybe there are other things that people are working on, or want to work on for 3.12 ? Now is the time to make your ideas known, and turn them into concrete plans. Matthias ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
