Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
Hi Simon, Can I also get an invite to the slack ? Best Regards, Sid On Mon., Aug. 26, 2019, 11:23 a.m. Simon Weller, wrote: > Sven, > > I just sent you an invite. > > -Si > > > From: Sven Vogel > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 10:19 AM > To: users > Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > that means, > > > > this is the official URL? > > https://apachecloudstack.slack.com/ > > > > how can i added to this channel? > > > On Sunday, 08/25/2019 at 22:19 Andrija Panic wrote: > > > Right to the bone Nicolas... i.e. exactly my thinking. > > On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 19:48, Nicolas Vazquez > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > My 2 cents: I fully agree on promoting the mailing lists as the main > > communication channel. However, I think it will be good to drop IRC > and > > promote the current Slack channel as it is active and with a > considerable > > amount of users (+150 members vs ~30 in the IRC channels). > Personally, I > > have joined the Slack channel a few years ago and have seen new > users > > joining the channel and asking questions. My point is, if we already > have > > this channel working good without "official" promotion, then why not > use it > > as the official 'chat' channel? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nicolas Vazquez > > > > > > From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher > > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 3:21 PM > > To: users > > Cc: dev > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > > > I am +1 on opening the VOTE for removal of IRC references. > > > > Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 14:33, Andrija Panic > > > escreveu: > > > > > I'm inline with that Paul - let's then remove the IRC being > mentioned on > > > main website and any future events. Makes sense? > > > > > > We can keep Slack as it is now, and then definitely (in my > opinion) NOT > > > move to ASF Slack, since as someone mentioned it's a pain to move > all > > > users. > > > > > > Does this sounds good to majority here? > > > > > > If so, I would cast a vote thread for removal of IRC from any > public > > > pages/website/future events marketing. > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 17:45 Paul Angus wrote: > > > > > > > I don't think that we should be 'marketing' anything other than > the > > > > mailing lists.That is where most people can be found and > where > > > > previously asked questions can be searched for. > > > > Having a ready to roll 'chat' tool has many advantages, so I'm > cool > > with > > > > having one in the back pocket. > > > > But personally I'd like to see as little fragmentation of the > community > > > as > > > > possible. > > > > > > > > + a new visitor turning up to a slack channel with 4 people on > it is > > not > > > > going to give a positive impression, and that person is > definitely is > > far > > > > less likely to get an answer to any question that they have. > > > > > > > > Paul. > > > > > > > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com > > > > www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com> > > > > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK > > > > @shapeblue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher > > > > Sent: 23 August 2019 14:56 > > > > To: dev > > > > Cc: Nux! > > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > > > > > > > Hello folks, > > > > > > > > I see no problem with using chat platforms. The mail should stay > as the > > > > default communication tool indeed, but several times I used > Slack when > > > > helping foes around, raising questions, and pinging folks on > private > > > chat. > > > > As far as we have tools and they are being used by the community > I see > > no > > > > problem with keeping them around. > > > > > > > > However, I think that the main point raised by Andrija is > regarding the > > > > "marketing" of the channels. We normally promote IRC (pointing > to > > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
Sven, I just sent you an invite. -Si From: Sven Vogel Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 10:19 AM To: users Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel that means, this is the official URL? https://apachecloudstack.slack.com/ how can i added to this channel? On Sunday, 08/25/2019 at 22:19 Andrija Panic wrote: Right to the bone Nicolas... i.e. exactly my thinking. On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 19:48, Nicolas Vazquez wrote: > Hi all, > > My 2 cents: I fully agree on promoting the mailing lists as the main > communication channel. However, I think it will be good to drop IRC and > promote the current Slack channel as it is active and with a considerable > amount of users (+150 members vs ~30 in the IRC channels). Personally, I > have joined the Slack channel a few years ago and have seen new users > joining the channel and asking questions. My point is, if we already have > this channel working good without "official" promotion, then why not use it > as the official 'chat' channel? > > > Regards, > > Nicolas Vazquez > > > From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 3:21 PM > To: users > Cc: dev > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > I am +1 on opening the VOTE for removal of IRC references. > > Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 14:33, Andrija Panic > > escreveu: > > > I'm inline with that Paul - let's then remove the IRC being mentioned on > > main website and any future events. Makes sense? > > > > We can keep Slack as it is now, and then definitely (in my opinion) NOT > > move to ASF Slack, since as someone mentioned it's a pain to move all > > users. > > > > Does this sounds good to majority here? > > > > If so, I would cast a vote thread for removal of IRC from any public > > pages/website/future events marketing. > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 17:45 Paul Angus wrote: > > > > > I don't think that we should be 'marketing' anything other than the > > > mailing lists.That is where most people can be found and where > > > previously asked questions can be searched for. > > > Having a ready to roll 'chat' tool has many advantages, so I'm cool > with > > > having one in the back pocket. > > > But personally I'd like to see as little fragmentation of the community > > as > > > possible. > > > > > > + a new visitor turning up to a slack channel with 4 people on it is > not > > > going to give a positive impression, and that person is definitely is > far > > > less likely to get an answer to any question that they have. > > > > > > Paul. > > > > > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com > > > www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com> > > > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK > > > @shapeblue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher > > > Sent: 23 August 2019 14:56 > > > To: dev > > > Cc: Nux! > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > > > > > Hello folks, > > > > > > I see no problem with using chat platforms. The mail should stay as the > > > default communication tool indeed, but several times I used Slack when > > > helping foes around, raising questions, and pinging folks on private > > chat. > > > As far as we have tools and they are being used by the community I see > no > > > problem with keeping them around. > > > > > > However, I think that the main point raised by Andrija is regarding the > > > "marketing" of the channels. We normally promote IRC (pointing to > > > irc.freenode.net), but CloudStack IRC channels look pretty dead, > > > especially considering that it is the "official" ACS chat tool. > > > > > > Does promoting all channels (IRC + Slack) look a good idea? Should we > > keep > > > only one option? In one hand, IRC currently is not as active as Slack, > > but > > > on the other hand, Slack requires an invitation e-mail. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Gabriel. > > > > > > > > > > > > Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 08:45, Rohit Yadav < > > rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com > > > > > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > All, > > > > > > > > I think email is the more persistent form of communication a
Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
that means, this is the official URL? https://apachecloudstack.slack.com/ how can i added to this channel? On Sunday, 08/25/2019 at 22:19 Andrija Panic wrote: Right to the bone Nicolas... i.e. exactly my thinking. On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 19:48, Nicolas Vazquez wrote: > Hi all, > > My 2 cents: I fully agree on promoting the mailing lists as the main > communication channel. However, I think it will be good to drop IRC and > promote the current Slack channel as it is active and with a considerable > amount of users (+150 members vs ~30 in the IRC channels). Personally, I > have joined the Slack channel a few years ago and have seen new users > joining the channel and asking questions. My point is, if we already have > this channel working good without "official" promotion, then why not use it > as the official 'chat' channel? > > > Regards, > > Nicolas Vazquez > > > From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 3:21 PM > To: users > Cc: dev > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > I am +1 on opening the VOTE for removal of IRC references. > > Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 14:33, Andrija Panic > > escreveu: > > > I'm inline with that Paul - let's then remove the IRC being mentioned on > > main website and any future events. Makes sense? > > > > We can keep Slack as it is now, and then definitely (in my opinion) NOT > > move to ASF Slack, since as someone mentioned it's a pain to move all > > users. > > > > Does this sounds good to majority here? > > > > If so, I would cast a vote thread for removal of IRC from any public > > pages/website/future events marketing. > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 17:45 Paul Angus wrote: > > > > > I don't think that we should be 'marketing' anything other than the > > > mailing lists.That is where most people can be found and where > > > previously asked questions can be searched for. > > > Having a ready to roll 'chat' tool has many advantages, so I'm cool > with > > > having one in the back pocket. > > > But personally I'd like to see as little fragmentation of the community > > as > > > possible. > > > > > > + a new visitor turning up to a slack channel with 4 people on it is > not > > > going to give a positive impression, and that person is definitely is > far > > > less likely to get an answer to any question that they have. > > > > > > Paul. > > > > > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com > > > www.shapeblue.com > > > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK > > > @shapeblue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher > > > Sent: 23 August 2019 14:56 > > > To: dev > > > Cc: Nux! > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > > > > > Hello folks, > > > > > > I see no problem with using chat platforms. The mail should stay as the > > > default communication tool indeed, but several times I used Slack when > > > helping foes around, raising questions, and pinging folks on private > > chat. > > > As far as we have tools and they are being used by the community I see > no > > > problem with keeping them around. > > > > > > However, I think that the main point raised by Andrija is regarding the > > > "marketing" of the channels. We normally promote IRC (pointing to > > > irc.freenode.net), but CloudStack IRC channels look pretty dead, > > > especially considering that it is the "official" ACS chat tool. > > > > > > Does promoting all channels (IRC + Slack) look a good idea? Should we > > keep > > > only one option? In one hand, IRC currently is not as active as Slack, > > but > > > on the other hand, Slack requires an invitation e-mail. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Gabriel. > > > > > > > > > > > > Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 08:45, Rohit Yadav < > > rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com > > > > > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > All, > > > > > > > > I think email is the more persistent form of communication and it > must > > > > continue to be the default communication mechanism for the project > > > > dev+user+etc. > > > > > > > > For a more real-time/transient communication, IRC or slack are good > > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
Right to the bone Nicolas... i.e. exactly my thinking. On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 19:48, Nicolas Vazquez wrote: > Hi all, > > My 2 cents: I fully agree on promoting the mailing lists as the main > communication channel. However, I think it will be good to drop IRC and > promote the current Slack channel as it is active and with a considerable > amount of users (+150 members vs ~30 in the IRC channels). Personally, I > have joined the Slack channel a few years ago and have seen new users > joining the channel and asking questions. My point is, if we already have > this channel working good without "official" promotion, then why not use it > as the official 'chat' channel? > > > Regards, > > Nicolas Vazquez > > > From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 3:21 PM > To: users > Cc: dev > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > I am +1 on opening the VOTE for removal of IRC references. > > Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 14:33, Andrija Panic > > escreveu: > > > I'm inline with that Paul - let's then remove the IRC being mentioned on > > main website and any future events. Makes sense? > > > > We can keep Slack as it is now, and then definitely (in my opinion) NOT > > move to ASF Slack, since as someone mentioned it's a pain to move all > > users. > > > > Does this sounds good to majority here? > > > > If so, I would cast a vote thread for removal of IRC from any public > > pages/website/future events marketing. > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 17:45 Paul Angus wrote: > > > > > I don't think that we should be 'marketing' anything other than the > > > mailing lists.That is where most people can be found and where > > > previously asked questions can be searched for. > > > Having a ready to roll 'chat' tool has many advantages, so I'm cool > with > > > having one in the back pocket. > > > But personally I'd like to see as little fragmentation of the community > > as > > > possible. > > > > > > + a new visitor turning up to a slack channel with 4 people on it is > not > > > going to give a positive impression, and that person is definitely is > far > > > less likely to get an answer to any question that they have. > > > > > > Paul. > > > > > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com > > > www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com> > > > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK > > > @shapeblue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher > > > Sent: 23 August 2019 14:56 > > > To: dev > > > Cc: Nux! > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > > > > > Hello folks, > > > > > > I see no problem with using chat platforms. The mail should stay as the > > > default communication tool indeed, but several times I used Slack when > > > helping foes around, raising questions, and pinging folks on private > > chat. > > > As far as we have tools and they are being used by the community I see > no > > > problem with keeping them around. > > > > > > However, I think that the main point raised by Andrija is regarding the > > > "marketing" of the channels. We normally promote IRC (pointing to > > > irc.freenode.net), but CloudStack IRC channels look pretty dead, > > > especially considering that it is the "official" ACS chat tool. > > > > > > Does promoting all channels (IRC + Slack) look a good idea? Should we > > keep > > > only one option? In one hand, IRC currently is not as active as Slack, > > but > > > on the other hand, Slack requires an invitation e-mail. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Gabriel. > > > > > > > > > > > > Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 08:45, Rohit Yadav < > > rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com > > > > > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > All, > > > > > > > > I think email is the more persistent form of communication and it > must > > > > continue to be the default communication mechanism for the project > > > > dev+user+etc. > > > > > > > > For a more real-time/transient communication, IRC or slack are good > > > tools. > > > > I don't have any preference on either, as I'm not an active user on > > > > either of them.
Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
Hi all, My 2 cents: I fully agree on promoting the mailing lists as the main communication channel. However, I think it will be good to drop IRC and promote the current Slack channel as it is active and with a considerable amount of users (+150 members vs ~30 in the IRC channels). Personally, I have joined the Slack channel a few years ago and have seen new users joining the channel and asking questions. My point is, if we already have this channel working good without "official" promotion, then why not use it as the official 'chat' channel? Regards, Nicolas Vazquez From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 3:21 PM To: users Cc: dev Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel I am +1 on opening the VOTE for removal of IRC references. Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 14:33, Andrija Panic escreveu: > I'm inline with that Paul - let's then remove the IRC being mentioned on > main website and any future events. Makes sense? > > We can keep Slack as it is now, and then definitely (in my opinion) NOT > move to ASF Slack, since as someone mentioned it's a pain to move all > users. > > Does this sounds good to majority here? > > If so, I would cast a vote thread for removal of IRC from any public > pages/website/future events marketing. > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 17:45 Paul Angus wrote: > > > I don't think that we should be 'marketing' anything other than the > > mailing lists.That is where most people can be found and where > > previously asked questions can be searched for. > > Having a ready to roll 'chat' tool has many advantages, so I'm cool with > > having one in the back pocket. > > But personally I'd like to see as little fragmentation of the community > as > > possible. > > > > + a new visitor turning up to a slack channel with 4 people on it is not > > going to give a positive impression, and that person is definitely is far > > less likely to get an answer to any question that they have. > > > > Paul. > > > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com > > www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com> > > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK > > @shapeblue > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher > > Sent: 23 August 2019 14:56 > > To: dev > > Cc: Nux! > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > > > Hello folks, > > > > I see no problem with using chat platforms. The mail should stay as the > > default communication tool indeed, but several times I used Slack when > > helping foes around, raising questions, and pinging folks on private > chat. > > As far as we have tools and they are being used by the community I see no > > problem with keeping them around. > > > > However, I think that the main point raised by Andrija is regarding the > > "marketing" of the channels. We normally promote IRC (pointing to > > irc.freenode.net), but CloudStack IRC channels look pretty dead, > > especially considering that it is the "official" ACS chat tool. > > > > Does promoting all channels (IRC + Slack) look a good idea? Should we > keep > > only one option? In one hand, IRC currently is not as active as Slack, > but > > on the other hand, Slack requires an invitation e-mail. > > > > Regards, > > Gabriel. > > > > > > > > Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 08:45, Rohit Yadav < > rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com > > > > > escreveu: > > > > > All, > > > > > > I think email is the more persistent form of communication and it must > > > continue to be the default communication mechanism for the project > > > dev+user+etc. > > > > > > For a more real-time/transient communication, IRC or slack are good > > tools. > > > I don't have any preference on either, as I'm not an active user on > > > either of them. It just happened that someone asked me to join the-asf > > > slack for some other group, and I saw many projects having their > > > channels there and I made a comment about it on our current > > > apachecloudstack community slack which is outside of the-asf group. > > > I've got both of them setup on my desktop slack now, if it's too > > > difficult to migrate everyone from the old slack group to the-asf > > > slack group, let's continue as is; or perhaps add an IRC-gateway > between > > the two. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rohit Yadav > > > > > > Soft
Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
I am +1 on opening the VOTE for removal of IRC references. Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 14:33, Andrija Panic escreveu: > I'm inline with that Paul - let's then remove the IRC being mentioned on > main website and any future events. Makes sense? > > We can keep Slack as it is now, and then definitely (in my opinion) NOT > move to ASF Slack, since as someone mentioned it's a pain to move all > users. > > Does this sounds good to majority here? > > If so, I would cast a vote thread for removal of IRC from any public > pages/website/future events marketing. > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 17:45 Paul Angus wrote: > > > I don't think that we should be 'marketing' anything other than the > > mailing lists.That is where most people can be found and where > > previously asked questions can be searched for. > > Having a ready to roll 'chat' tool has many advantages, so I'm cool with > > having one in the back pocket. > > But personally I'd like to see as little fragmentation of the community > as > > possible. > > > > + a new visitor turning up to a slack channel with 4 people on it is not > > going to give a positive impression, and that person is definitely is far > > less likely to get an answer to any question that they have. > > > > Paul. > > > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com > > www.shapeblue.com > > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK > > @shapeblue > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher > > Sent: 23 August 2019 14:56 > > To: dev > > Cc: Nux! > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > > > Hello folks, > > > > I see no problem with using chat platforms. The mail should stay as the > > default communication tool indeed, but several times I used Slack when > > helping foes around, raising questions, and pinging folks on private > chat. > > As far as we have tools and they are being used by the community I see no > > problem with keeping them around. > > > > However, I think that the main point raised by Andrija is regarding the > > "marketing" of the channels. We normally promote IRC (pointing to > > irc.freenode.net), but CloudStack IRC channels look pretty dead, > > especially considering that it is the "official" ACS chat tool. > > > > Does promoting all channels (IRC + Slack) look a good idea? Should we > keep > > only one option? In one hand, IRC currently is not as active as Slack, > but > > on the other hand, Slack requires an invitation e-mail. > > > > Regards, > > Gabriel. > > > > > > > > Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 08:45, Rohit Yadav < > rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com > > > > > escreveu: > > > > > All, > > > > > > I think email is the more persistent form of communication and it must > > > continue to be the default communication mechanism for the project > > > dev+user+etc. > > > > > > For a more real-time/transient communication, IRC or slack are good > > tools. > > > I don't have any preference on either, as I'm not an active user on > > > either of them. It just happened that someone asked me to join the-asf > > > slack for some other group, and I saw many projects having their > > > channels there and I made a comment about it on our current > > > apachecloudstack community slack which is outside of the-asf group. > > > I've got both of them setup on my desktop slack now, if it's too > > > difficult to migrate everyone from the old slack group to the-asf > > > slack group, let's continue as is; or perhaps add an IRC-gateway > between > > the two. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rohit Yadav > > > > > > Software Architect, ShapeBlue > > > > > > https://www.shapeblue.com > > > > > > > > > From: Sven Vogel > > > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 01:01 > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > > Cc: Nux! > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > > > > > Hey Guys, > > > > > > I don’t understand the problem. I don’t like slack too but I don’t > > > like mailing list or neither. I think the first one is closed and > > > slow. For me is an mailing list or irc also not the wisdom final > > > conclusion but hey do we have a better one? No. > > > > > > If IRC is death drop i
Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
I'm inline with that Paul - let's then remove the IRC being mentioned on main website and any future events. Makes sense? We can keep Slack as it is now, and then definitely (in my opinion) NOT move to ASF Slack, since as someone mentioned it's a pain to move all users. Does this sounds good to majority here? If so, I would cast a vote thread for removal of IRC from any public pages/website/future events marketing. On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 17:45 Paul Angus wrote: > I don't think that we should be 'marketing' anything other than the > mailing lists.That is where most people can be found and where > previously asked questions can be searched for. > Having a ready to roll 'chat' tool has many advantages, so I'm cool with > having one in the back pocket. > But personally I'd like to see as little fragmentation of the community as > possible. > > + a new visitor turning up to a slack channel with 4 people on it is not > going to give a positive impression, and that person is definitely is far > less likely to get an answer to any question that they have. > > Paul. > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com > www.shapeblue.com > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK > @shapeblue > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher > Sent: 23 August 2019 14:56 > To: dev > Cc: Nux! > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > Hello folks, > > I see no problem with using chat platforms. The mail should stay as the > default communication tool indeed, but several times I used Slack when > helping foes around, raising questions, and pinging folks on private chat. > As far as we have tools and they are being used by the community I see no > problem with keeping them around. > > However, I think that the main point raised by Andrija is regarding the > "marketing" of the channels. We normally promote IRC (pointing to > irc.freenode.net), but CloudStack IRC channels look pretty dead, > especially considering that it is the "official" ACS chat tool. > > Does promoting all channels (IRC + Slack) look a good idea? Should we keep > only one option? In one hand, IRC currently is not as active as Slack, but > on the other hand, Slack requires an invitation e-mail. > > Regards, > Gabriel. > > > > Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 08:45, Rohit Yadav > > escreveu: > > > All, > > > > I think email is the more persistent form of communication and it must > > continue to be the default communication mechanism for the project > > dev+user+etc. > > > > For a more real-time/transient communication, IRC or slack are good > tools. > > I don't have any preference on either, as I'm not an active user on > > either of them. It just happened that someone asked me to join the-asf > > slack for some other group, and I saw many projects having their > > channels there and I made a comment about it on our current > > apachecloudstack community slack which is outside of the-asf group. > > I've got both of them setup on my desktop slack now, if it's too > > difficult to migrate everyone from the old slack group to the-asf > > slack group, let's continue as is; or perhaps add an IRC-gateway between > the two. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rohit Yadav > > > > Software Architect, ShapeBlue > > > > https://www.shapeblue.com > > > > > > From: Sven Vogel > > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 01:01 > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > Cc: Nux! > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > > > Hey Guys, > > > > I don’t understand the problem. I don’t like slack too but I don’t > > like mailing list or neither. I think the first one is closed and > > slow. For me is an mailing list or irc also not the wisdom final > > conclusion but hey do we have a better one? No. > > > > If IRC is death drop it. If we don’t want slack drop it. leave ONLY > > the mailing list until there we get an better interactive technology, > > maybe open source. > > > > Cheers > > > > > > __ > > > > Sven Vogel > > Teamlead Platform > > > > EWERK RZ GmbH > > Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig > > P +49 341 42649 - 11 > > F +49 341 42649 - 18 > > s.vo...@ewerk.com > > www.ewerk.com<http://www.ewerk.com> > > > > Geschäftsführer: > > Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Frank Richter > > Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 17023 > > > > Zertifiziert nach: > > ISO/IEC 27001:2013 > > DIN EN ISO 9001:2015 > > DIN ISO/IEC 2-1:2
RE: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
I don't think that we should be 'marketing' anything other than the mailing lists.That is where most people can be found and where previously asked questions can be searched for. Having a ready to roll 'chat' tool has many advantages, so I'm cool with having one in the back pocket. But personally I'd like to see as little fragmentation of the community as possible. + a new visitor turning up to a slack channel with 4 people on it is not going to give a positive impression, and that person is definitely is far less likely to get an answer to any question that they have. Paul. paul.an...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue -Original Message- From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher Sent: 23 August 2019 14:56 To: dev Cc: Nux! Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel Hello folks, I see no problem with using chat platforms. The mail should stay as the default communication tool indeed, but several times I used Slack when helping foes around, raising questions, and pinging folks on private chat. As far as we have tools and they are being used by the community I see no problem with keeping them around. However, I think that the main point raised by Andrija is regarding the "marketing" of the channels. We normally promote IRC (pointing to irc.freenode.net), but CloudStack IRC channels look pretty dead, especially considering that it is the "official" ACS chat tool. Does promoting all channels (IRC + Slack) look a good idea? Should we keep only one option? In one hand, IRC currently is not as active as Slack, but on the other hand, Slack requires an invitation e-mail. Regards, Gabriel. Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 08:45, Rohit Yadav escreveu: > All, > > I think email is the more persistent form of communication and it must > continue to be the default communication mechanism for the project > dev+user+etc. > > For a more real-time/transient communication, IRC or slack are good tools. > I don't have any preference on either, as I'm not an active user on > either of them. It just happened that someone asked me to join the-asf > slack for some other group, and I saw many projects having their > channels there and I made a comment about it on our current > apachecloudstack community slack which is outside of the-asf group. > I've got both of them setup on my desktop slack now, if it's too > difficult to migrate everyone from the old slack group to the-asf > slack group, let's continue as is; or perhaps add an IRC-gateway between the > two. > > > Regards, > > Rohit Yadav > > Software Architect, ShapeBlue > > https://www.shapeblue.com > > > From: Sven Vogel > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 01:01 > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Cc: Nux! > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > Hey Guys, > > I don’t understand the problem. I don’t like slack too but I don’t > like mailing list or neither. I think the first one is closed and > slow. For me is an mailing list or irc also not the wisdom final > conclusion but hey do we have a better one? No. > > If IRC is death drop it. If we don’t want slack drop it. leave ONLY > the mailing list until there we get an better interactive technology, > maybe open source. > > Cheers > > > __ > > Sven Vogel > Teamlead Platform > > EWERK RZ GmbH > Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig > P +49 341 42649 - 11 > F +49 341 42649 - 18 > s.vo...@ewerk.com > www.ewerk.com<http://www.ewerk.com> > > Geschäftsführer: > Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Frank Richter > Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 17023 > > Zertifiziert nach: > ISO/IEC 27001:2013 > DIN EN ISO 9001:2015 > DIN ISO/IEC 2-1:2011 > > EWERK-Blog | LinkedIn | Xing | Twitter | Facebook > > Auskünfte und Angebote per Mail sind freibleibend und unverbindlich. > > Disclaimer Privacy: > Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) > ist vertraulich und nur für den Empfänger bestimmt. Sollten Sie nicht > der bestimmungsgemäße Empfänger sein, ist Ihnen jegliche Offenlegung, > Vervielfältigung, Weitergabe oder Nutzung des Inhalts untersagt. Bitte > informieren Sie in diesem Fall unverzüglich den Absender und löschen > Sie die E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) von Ihrem System. > Vielen Dank. > > The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) are > confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the > intended recipient of this e-mail, any disclosure, copying, > distribution or use of its contents is strictly prohibited, and you > should please notify the sender immediately and then delete it (including any > attachme
Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
Hello folks, I see no problem with using chat platforms. The mail should stay as the default communication tool indeed, but several times I used Slack when helping foes around, raising questions, and pinging folks on private chat. As far as we have tools and they are being used by the community I see no problem with keeping them around. However, I think that the main point raised by Andrija is regarding the "marketing" of the channels. We normally promote IRC (pointing to irc.freenode.net), but CloudStack IRC channels look pretty dead, especially considering that it is the "official" ACS chat tool. Does promoting all channels (IRC + Slack) look a good idea? Should we keep only one option? In one hand, IRC currently is not as active as Slack, but on the other hand, Slack requires an invitation e-mail. Regards, Gabriel. Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 08:45, Rohit Yadav escreveu: > All, > > I think email is the more persistent form of communication and it must > continue to be the default communication mechanism for the project > dev+user+etc. > > For a more real-time/transient communication, IRC or slack are good tools. > I don't have any preference on either, as I'm not an active user on either > of them. It just happened that someone asked me to join the-asf slack for > some other group, and I saw many projects having their channels there and I > made a comment about it on our current apachecloudstack community slack > which is outside of the-asf group. I've got both of them setup on my > desktop slack now, if it's too difficult to migrate everyone from the old > slack group to the-asf slack group, let's continue as is; or perhaps add an > IRC-gateway between the two. > > > Regards, > > Rohit Yadav > > Software Architect, ShapeBlue > > https://www.shapeblue.com > > > From: Sven Vogel > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 01:01 > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Cc: Nux! > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > Hey Guys, > > I don’t understand the problem. I don’t like slack too but I don’t like > mailing list or neither. I think the first one is closed and slow. For me > is an mailing list or irc also not the wisdom final conclusion but hey do > we have a better one? No. > > If IRC is death drop it. If we don’t want slack drop it. leave ONLY the > mailing list until there we get an better interactive technology, maybe > open source. > > Cheers > > > __ > > Sven Vogel > Teamlead Platform > > EWERK RZ GmbH > Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig > P +49 341 42649 - 11 > F +49 341 42649 - 18 > s.vo...@ewerk.com > www.ewerk.com<http://www.ewerk.com> > > Geschäftsführer: > Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Frank Richter > Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 17023 > > Zertifiziert nach: > ISO/IEC 27001:2013 > DIN EN ISO 9001:2015 > DIN ISO/IEC 2-1:2011 > > EWERK-Blog | LinkedIn | Xing | Twitter | Facebook > > Auskünfte und Angebote per Mail sind freibleibend und unverbindlich. > > Disclaimer Privacy: > Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) ist > vertraulich und nur für den Empfänger bestimmt. Sollten Sie nicht der > bestimmungsgemäße Empfänger sein, ist Ihnen jegliche Offenlegung, > Vervielfältigung, Weitergabe oder Nutzung des Inhalts untersagt. Bitte > informieren Sie in diesem Fall unverzüglich den Absender und löschen Sie > die E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) von Ihrem System. > Vielen Dank. > > The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) are confidential > and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of > this e-mail, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of its contents > is strictly prohibited, and you should please notify the sender immediately > and then delete it (including any attachments) from your system. Thank you. > > Am 22.08.2019 um 20:28 schrieb Andrija Panic : > > > > My whole idea is that having one (IRC) marketed on web pages, while using > > the other silently (Slack) makes less than zero sense to me. > > > > And, for me, a tool is a tool, I'm not married to it (some people prefer > vi > > editor and have religious attachments to it, I just use nano to get the > job > > done) > > > >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 19:49 Nux! wrote: > >> > >> I'm heavily against Slack or any other proprietary, closed solutions. > >> > >> I think it's a step back generally for the Internet at large and even > >> more so for an open source project; I can't reconcile the two in my > >> heart. > >> > >> Having said that, I believe the chat is dead not
Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
All, I think email is the more persistent form of communication and it must continue to be the default communication mechanism for the project dev+user+etc. For a more real-time/transient communication, IRC or slack are good tools. I don't have any preference on either, as I'm not an active user on either of them. It just happened that someone asked me to join the-asf slack for some other group, and I saw many projects having their channels there and I made a comment about it on our current apachecloudstack community slack which is outside of the-asf group. I've got both of them setup on my desktop slack now, if it's too difficult to migrate everyone from the old slack group to the-asf slack group, let's continue as is; or perhaps add an IRC-gateway between the two. Regards, Rohit Yadav Software Architect, ShapeBlue https://www.shapeblue.com From: Sven Vogel Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 01:01 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Nux! Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel Hey Guys, I don’t understand the problem. I don’t like slack too but I don’t like mailing list or neither. I think the first one is closed and slow. For me is an mailing list or irc also not the wisdom final conclusion but hey do we have a better one? No. If IRC is death drop it. If we don’t want slack drop it. leave ONLY the mailing list until there we get an better interactive technology, maybe open source. Cheers __ Sven Vogel Teamlead Platform EWERK RZ GmbH Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig P +49 341 42649 - 11 F +49 341 42649 - 18 s.vo...@ewerk.com www.ewerk.com<http://www.ewerk.com> Geschäftsführer: Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Frank Richter Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 17023 Zertifiziert nach: ISO/IEC 27001:2013 DIN EN ISO 9001:2015 DIN ISO/IEC 2-1:2011 EWERK-Blog | LinkedIn | Xing | Twitter | Facebook Auskünfte und Angebote per Mail sind freibleibend und unverbindlich. Disclaimer Privacy: Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) ist vertraulich und nur für den Empfänger bestimmt. Sollten Sie nicht der bestimmungsgemäße Empfänger sein, ist Ihnen jegliche Offenlegung, Vervielfältigung, Weitergabe oder Nutzung des Inhalts untersagt. Bitte informieren Sie in diesem Fall unverzüglich den Absender und löschen Sie die E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) von Ihrem System. Vielen Dank. The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of its contents is strictly prohibited, and you should please notify the sender immediately and then delete it (including any attachments) from your system. Thank you. > Am 22.08.2019 um 20:28 schrieb Andrija Panic : > > My whole idea is that having one (IRC) marketed on web pages, while using > the other silently (Slack) makes less than zero sense to me. > > And, for me, a tool is a tool, I'm not married to it (some people prefer vi > editor and have religious attachments to it, I just use nano to get the job > done) > >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 19:49 Nux! wrote: >> >> I'm heavily against Slack or any other proprietary, closed solutions. >> >> I think it's a step back generally for the Internet at large and even >> more so for an open source project; I can't reconcile the two in my >> heart. >> >> Having said that, I believe the chat is dead not because it's IRC, but >> because people prefer async comms (ie email). It'll be the same for >> Slack. >> >> >> We should be promoting the mailing lists. They are active and the >> archives are open to search engines etc and can further provide helpful >> information to everyone. >> >> I won't -1 the decision, I don't want to be in the way of "progress", >> but it's not a +1 either. I won't be using it. >> >> My 2p >> >> >> --- >> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! >> >>> On 2019-08-22 16:57, Andrija Panic wrote: >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> Since IRC is pretty dead, and we already have a Slack channel ( >>> https://apachecloudstack.slack.com ) that we use atm, AND since there >>> seems >>> to be an official ASF slack channel at https://the-asf.slack.com/, I >>> would >>> like to open a discussion of the idea to "officially" move (i.e. >>> marketing >>> this on all event pages and main web site) to that new CloudStack >>> channel >>> on the official ASF slack account/page - and abandon (close for good) >>> all >>> others chat channels. >>> >>> i.e. on this year conference page (http://us.cloudstackcollab
Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
Hey Guys, I don’t understand the problem. I don’t like slack too but I don’t like mailing list or neither. I think the first one is closed and slow. For me is an mailing list or irc also not the wisdom final conclusion but hey do we have a better one? No. If IRC is death drop it. If we don’t want slack drop it. leave ONLY the mailing list until there we get an better interactive technology, maybe open source. Cheers __ Sven Vogel Teamlead Platform EWERK RZ GmbH Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig P +49 341 42649 - 11 F +49 341 42649 - 18 s.vo...@ewerk.com www.ewerk.com Geschäftsführer: Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Frank Richter Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 17023 Zertifiziert nach: ISO/IEC 27001:2013 DIN EN ISO 9001:2015 DIN ISO/IEC 2-1:2011 EWERK-Blog | LinkedIn | Xing | Twitter | Facebook Auskünfte und Angebote per Mail sind freibleibend und unverbindlich. Disclaimer Privacy: Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) ist vertraulich und nur für den Empfänger bestimmt. Sollten Sie nicht der bestimmungsgemäße Empfänger sein, ist Ihnen jegliche Offenlegung, Vervielfältigung, Weitergabe oder Nutzung des Inhalts untersagt. Bitte informieren Sie in diesem Fall unverzüglich den Absender und löschen Sie die E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) von Ihrem System. Vielen Dank. The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of its contents is strictly prohibited, and you should please notify the sender immediately and then delete it (including any attachments) from your system. Thank you. > Am 22.08.2019 um 20:28 schrieb Andrija Panic : > > My whole idea is that having one (IRC) marketed on web pages, while using > the other silently (Slack) makes less than zero sense to me. > > And, for me, a tool is a tool, I'm not married to it (some people prefer vi > editor and have religious attachments to it, I just use nano to get the job > done) > >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 19:49 Nux! wrote: >> >> I'm heavily against Slack or any other proprietary, closed solutions. >> >> I think it's a step back generally for the Internet at large and even >> more so for an open source project; I can't reconcile the two in my >> heart. >> >> Having said that, I believe the chat is dead not because it's IRC, but >> because people prefer async comms (ie email). It'll be the same for >> Slack. >> >> >> We should be promoting the mailing lists. They are active and the >> archives are open to search engines etc and can further provide helpful >> information to everyone. >> >> I won't -1 the decision, I don't want to be in the way of "progress", >> but it's not a +1 either. I won't be using it. >> >> My 2p >> >> >> --- >> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! >> >>> On 2019-08-22 16:57, Andrija Panic wrote: >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> Since IRC is pretty dead, and we already have a Slack channel ( >>> https://apachecloudstack.slack.com ) that we use atm, AND since there >>> seems >>> to be an official ASF slack channel at https://the-asf.slack.com/, I >>> would >>> like to open a discussion of the idea to "officially" move (i.e. >>> marketing >>> this on all event pages and main web site) to that new CloudStack >>> channel >>> on the official ASF slack account/page - and abandon (close for good) >>> all >>> others chat channels. >>> >>> i.e. on this year conference page (http://us.cloudstackcollab.org/) we >>> currently announce the IRC channel (???) to be the one (and AFAIK it's >>> pretty dead) - so I would propose to move forward and update this, so >>> the >>> users can be aware of "alive" chat channel >>> >>> Suggestions, opinions ? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Andrija Panić >>
RE: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
Personally, I agree with Nux, I could live without yet another communication medium that I have to check. So I would prefer the searchable medium of the mailing lists with the fall back of maybe Slack for group calls or chats if really required. Given the worldwide time zones we cover, real-time conversations are automatically going to exclude a large number of people. The conversation threading in email clients allows me to see the subject of a conversation and decide if can or want to join in. paul.an...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue -Original Message- From: Andrija Panic Sent: 22 August 2019 19:28 To: Nux! Cc: dev Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel My whole idea is that having one (IRC) marketed on web pages, while using the other silently (Slack) makes less than zero sense to me. And, for me, a tool is a tool, I'm not married to it (some people prefer vi editor and have religious attachments to it, I just use nano to get the job done) On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 19:49 Nux! wrote: > I'm heavily against Slack or any other proprietary, closed solutions. > > I think it's a step back generally for the Internet at large and even > more so for an open source project; I can't reconcile the two in my > heart. > > Having said that, I believe the chat is dead not because it's IRC, but > because people prefer async comms (ie email). It'll be the same for > Slack. > > > We should be promoting the mailing lists. They are active and the > archives are open to search engines etc and can further provide > helpful information to everyone. > > I won't -1 the decision, I don't want to be in the way of "progress", > but it's not a +1 either. I won't be using it. > > My 2p > > > --- > Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! > > On 2019-08-22 16:57, Andrija Panic wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > Since IRC is pretty dead, and we already have a Slack channel ( > > https://apachecloudstack.slack.com ) that we use atm, AND since > > there seems to be an official ASF slack channel at > > https://the-asf.slack.com/, I would like to open a discussion of the > > idea to "officially" move (i.e. > > marketing > > this on all event pages and main web site) to that new CloudStack > > channel on the official ASF slack account/page - and abandon (close > > for good) all others chat channels. > > > > i.e. on this year conference page (http://us.cloudstackcollab.org/) > > we currently announce the IRC channel (???) to be the one (and AFAIK > > it's pretty dead) - so I would propose to move forward and update > > this, so the users can be aware of "alive" chat channel > > > > Suggestions, opinions ? > > > > Regards, > > > > Andrija Panić >
Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
My whole idea is that having one (IRC) marketed on web pages, while using the other silently (Slack) makes less than zero sense to me. And, for me, a tool is a tool, I'm not married to it (some people prefer vi editor and have religious attachments to it, I just use nano to get the job done) On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 19:49 Nux! wrote: > I'm heavily against Slack or any other proprietary, closed solutions. > > I think it's a step back generally for the Internet at large and even > more so for an open source project; I can't reconcile the two in my > heart. > > Having said that, I believe the chat is dead not because it's IRC, but > because people prefer async comms (ie email). It'll be the same for > Slack. > > > We should be promoting the mailing lists. They are active and the > archives are open to search engines etc and can further provide helpful > information to everyone. > > I won't -1 the decision, I don't want to be in the way of "progress", > but it's not a +1 either. I won't be using it. > > My 2p > > > --- > Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! > > On 2019-08-22 16:57, Andrija Panic wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > Since IRC is pretty dead, and we already have a Slack channel ( > > https://apachecloudstack.slack.com ) that we use atm, AND since there > > seems > > to be an official ASF slack channel at https://the-asf.slack.com/, I > > would > > like to open a discussion of the idea to "officially" move (i.e. > > marketing > > this on all event pages and main web site) to that new CloudStack > > channel > > on the official ASF slack account/page - and abandon (close for good) > > all > > others chat channels. > > > > i.e. on this year conference page (http://us.cloudstackcollab.org/) we > > currently announce the IRC channel (???) to be the one (and AFAIK it's > > pretty dead) - so I would propose to move forward and update this, so > > the > > users can be aware of "alive" chat channel > > > > Suggestions, opinions ? > > > > Regards, > > > > Andrija Panić >
Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
I'm heavily against Slack or any other proprietary, closed solutions. I think it's a step back generally for the Internet at large and even more so for an open source project; I can't reconcile the two in my heart. Having said that, I believe the chat is dead not because it's IRC, but because people prefer async comms (ie email). It'll be the same for Slack. We should be promoting the mailing lists. They are active and the archives are open to search engines etc and can further provide helpful information to everyone. I won't -1 the decision, I don't want to be in the way of "progress", but it's not a +1 either. I won't be using it. My 2p --- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! On 2019-08-22 16:57, Andrija Panic wrote: Hi guys, Since IRC is pretty dead, and we already have a Slack channel ( https://apachecloudstack.slack.com ) that we use atm, AND since there seems to be an official ASF slack channel at https://the-asf.slack.com/, I would like to open a discussion of the idea to "officially" move (i.e. marketing this on all event pages and main web site) to that new CloudStack channel on the official ASF slack account/page - and abandon (close for good) all others chat channels. i.e. on this year conference page (http://us.cloudstackcollab.org/) we currently announce the IRC channel (???) to be the one (and AFAIK it's pretty dead) - so I would propose to move forward and update this, so the users can be aware of "alive" chat channel Suggestions, opinions ? Regards, Andrija Panić
RE: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
I joined with apache email no problem. Please all remember that Slack (like IRC before it) can only be for 'chat', all 'business' must take place on the mailing list. paul.an...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue -Original Message- From: Sven Vogel Sent: 22 August 2019 17:27 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel Hi Andrija, Does that mean we have an slack channel for internal use and one for all other use cases? Von meinem iPhone gesendet __ Sven Vogel Teamlead Platform EWERK RZ GmbH Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig P +49 341 42649 - 11 F +49 341 42649 - 18 s.vo...@ewerk.com www.ewerk.com Geschäftsführer: Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Frank Richter Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 17023 Zertifiziert nach: ISO/IEC 27001:2013 DIN EN ISO 9001:2015 DIN ISO/IEC 2-1:2011 EWERK-Blog | LinkedIn | Xing | Twitter | Facebook Auskünfte und Angebote per Mail sind freibleibend und unverbindlich. Disclaimer Privacy: Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) ist vertraulich und nur für den Empfänger bestimmt. Sollten Sie nicht der bestimmungsgemäße Empfänger sein, ist Ihnen jegliche Offenlegung, Vervielfältigung, Weitergabe oder Nutzung des Inhalts untersagt. Bitte informieren Sie in diesem Fall unverzüglich den Absender und löschen Sie die E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) von Ihrem System. Vielen Dank. The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of its contents is strictly prohibited, and you should please notify the sender immediately and then delete it (including any attachments) from your system. Thank you. > Am 22.08.2019 um 18:24 schrieb Andrija Panic : > > I would say we are interested, as explained originally, in just the > "official" ASF channel (per my proposal, but happy to hear otherwise) > - the whole idea is to get rid of (dead) IRC channel. > >> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 19:21, Sven Vogel wrote: >> >> Maybe we can change this. I know I was in this slack channel since >> 2015 and I don’t had an Apache mail address. >> >> We have two slack channel at the moment? Where they come from? >> >> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >> >> >> __ >> >> Sven Vogel >> Teamlead Platform >> >> EWERK RZ GmbH >> Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig >> P +49 341 42649 - 11 >> F +49 341 42649 - 18 >> s.vo...@ewerk.com >> www.ewerk.com >> >> Geschäftsführer: >> Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Frank Richter >> Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 17023 >> >> Zertifiziert nach: >> ISO/IEC 27001:2013 >> DIN EN ISO 9001:2015 >> DIN ISO/IEC 2-1:2011 >> >> EWERK-Blog | LinkedIn | Xing | Twitter | Facebook >> >> Auskünfte und Angebote per Mail sind freibleibend und unverbindlich. >> >> Disclaimer Privacy: >> Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter >> Dateien) ist vertraulich und nur für den Empfänger bestimmt. Sollten >> Sie nicht der bestimmungsgemäße Empfänger sein, ist Ihnen jegliche >> Offenlegung, Vervielfältigung, Weitergabe oder Nutzung des Inhalts >> untersagt. Bitte informieren Sie in diesem Fall unverzüglich den >> Absender und löschen Sie die E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter >> Dateien) von Ihrem System. >> Vielen Dank. >> >> The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) are >> confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the >> intended recipient of this e-mail, any disclosure, copying, >> distribution or use of its contents is strictly prohibited, and you >> should please notify the sender immediately and then delete it (including >> any attachments) from your system. Thank you. >>> Am 22.08.2019 um 18:13 schrieb Paul Angus : >>> >>> The ASF-slack page says that you need an apache email address to get >>> an >> account. If that is the case I'd be -1 on using that channel, as it >> blocks anyone who isn't a committer. >>> >>> paul.an...@shapeblue.com >>> www.shapeblue.com >>> Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Andrija Panic >>> Sent: 22 August 2019 16:57 >>> To: dev >>> Subject: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel >>> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> Since IRC is pretty dead, and we already have a Slack channe
Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
Hi Andrija, Does that mean we have an slack channel for internal use and one for all other use cases? Von meinem iPhone gesendet __ Sven Vogel Teamlead Platform EWERK RZ GmbH Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig P +49 341 42649 - 11 F +49 341 42649 - 18 s.vo...@ewerk.com www.ewerk.com Geschäftsführer: Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Frank Richter Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 17023 Zertifiziert nach: ISO/IEC 27001:2013 DIN EN ISO 9001:2015 DIN ISO/IEC 2-1:2011 EWERK-Blog | LinkedIn | Xing | Twitter | Facebook Auskünfte und Angebote per Mail sind freibleibend und unverbindlich. Disclaimer Privacy: Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) ist vertraulich und nur für den Empfänger bestimmt. Sollten Sie nicht der bestimmungsgemäße Empfänger sein, ist Ihnen jegliche Offenlegung, Vervielfältigung, Weitergabe oder Nutzung des Inhalts untersagt. Bitte informieren Sie in diesem Fall unverzüglich den Absender und löschen Sie die E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) von Ihrem System. Vielen Dank. The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of its contents is strictly prohibited, and you should please notify the sender immediately and then delete it (including any attachments) from your system. Thank you. > Am 22.08.2019 um 18:24 schrieb Andrija Panic : > > I would say we are interested, as explained originally, in just the > "official" ASF channel (per my proposal, but happy to hear otherwise) - the > whole idea is to get rid of (dead) IRC channel. > >> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 19:21, Sven Vogel wrote: >> >> Maybe we can change this. I know I was in this slack channel since 2015 >> and I don’t had an Apache mail address. >> >> We have two slack channel at the moment? Where they come from? >> >> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >> >> >> __ >> >> Sven Vogel >> Teamlead Platform >> >> EWERK RZ GmbH >> Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig >> P +49 341 42649 - 11 >> F +49 341 42649 - 18 >> s.vo...@ewerk.com >> www.ewerk.com >> >> Geschäftsführer: >> Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Frank Richter >> Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 17023 >> >> Zertifiziert nach: >> ISO/IEC 27001:2013 >> DIN EN ISO 9001:2015 >> DIN ISO/IEC 2-1:2011 >> >> EWERK-Blog | LinkedIn | Xing | Twitter | Facebook >> >> Auskünfte und Angebote per Mail sind freibleibend und unverbindlich. >> >> Disclaimer Privacy: >> Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) ist >> vertraulich und nur für den Empfänger bestimmt. Sollten Sie nicht der >> bestimmungsgemäße Empfänger sein, ist Ihnen jegliche Offenlegung, >> Vervielfältigung, Weitergabe oder Nutzung des Inhalts untersagt. Bitte >> informieren Sie in diesem Fall unverzüglich den Absender und löschen Sie >> die E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) von Ihrem System. >> Vielen Dank. >> >> The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) are confidential >> and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of >> this e-mail, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of its contents >> is strictly prohibited, and you should please notify the sender immediately >> and then delete it (including any attachments) from your system. Thank you. >>> Am 22.08.2019 um 18:13 schrieb Paul Angus : >>> >>> The ASF-slack page says that you need an apache email address to get an >> account. If that is the case I'd be -1 on using that channel, as it blocks >> anyone who isn't a committer. >>> >>> paul.an...@shapeblue.com >>> www.shapeblue.com >>> Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK >>> @shapeblue >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Andrija Panic >>> Sent: 22 August 2019 16:57 >>> To: dev >>> Subject: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel >>> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> Since IRC is pretty dead, and we already have a Slack channel ( >> https://apachecloudstack.slack.com ) that we use atm, AND since there >> seems to be an official ASF slack channel at https://the-asf.slack.com/, >> I would like to open a discussion of the idea to "officially" move (i.e. >> marketing this on all event pages and main web site) to that new CloudStack >> channel on the official ASF slack account/page - and abandon (close for >> good) all others chat channels. >>> >>> i.e. on this year conference page (http://us.cloudstackcollab.org/) we >> currently announce the IRC channel (???) to be the one (and AFAIK it's >> pretty dead) - so I would propose to move forward and update this, so the >> users can be aware of "alive" chat channel >>> >>> Suggestions, opinions ? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Andrija Panić >> > > > -- > > Andrija Panić
Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
I would say we are interested, as explained originally, in just the "official" ASF channel (per my proposal, but happy to hear otherwise) - the whole idea is to get rid of (dead) IRC channel. On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 19:21, Sven Vogel wrote: > Maybe we can change this. I know I was in this slack channel since 2015 > and I don’t had an Apache mail address. > > We have two slack channel at the moment? Where they come from? > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > > > __ > > Sven Vogel > Teamlead Platform > > EWERK RZ GmbH > Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig > P +49 341 42649 - 11 > F +49 341 42649 - 18 > s.vo...@ewerk.com > www.ewerk.com > > Geschäftsführer: > Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Frank Richter > Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 17023 > > Zertifiziert nach: > ISO/IEC 27001:2013 > DIN EN ISO 9001:2015 > DIN ISO/IEC 2-1:2011 > > EWERK-Blog | LinkedIn | Xing | Twitter | Facebook > > Auskünfte und Angebote per Mail sind freibleibend und unverbindlich. > > Disclaimer Privacy: > Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) ist > vertraulich und nur für den Empfänger bestimmt. Sollten Sie nicht der > bestimmungsgemäße Empfänger sein, ist Ihnen jegliche Offenlegung, > Vervielfältigung, Weitergabe oder Nutzung des Inhalts untersagt. Bitte > informieren Sie in diesem Fall unverzüglich den Absender und löschen Sie > die E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) von Ihrem System. > Vielen Dank. > > The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) are confidential > and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of > this e-mail, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of its contents > is strictly prohibited, and you should please notify the sender immediately > and then delete it (including any attachments) from your system. Thank you. > > Am 22.08.2019 um 18:13 schrieb Paul Angus : > > > > The ASF-slack page says that you need an apache email address to get an > account. If that is the case I'd be -1 on using that channel, as it blocks > anyone who isn't a committer. > > > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com > > www.shapeblue.com > > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK > > @shapeblue > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrija Panic > > Sent: 22 August 2019 16:57 > > To: dev > > Subject: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > > > Hi guys, > > > > Since IRC is pretty dead, and we already have a Slack channel ( > https://apachecloudstack.slack.com ) that we use atm, AND since there > seems to be an official ASF slack channel at https://the-asf.slack.com/, > I would like to open a discussion of the idea to "officially" move (i.e. > marketing this on all event pages and main web site) to that new CloudStack > channel on the official ASF slack account/page - and abandon (close for > good) all others chat channels. > > > > i.e. on this year conference page (http://us.cloudstackcollab.org/) we > currently announce the IRC channel (???) to be the one (and AFAIK it's > pretty dead) - so I would propose to move forward and update this, so the > users can be aware of "alive" chat channel > > > > Suggestions, opinions ? > > > > Regards, > > > > Andrija Panić > -- Andrija Panić
Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
Maybe we can change this. I know I was in this slack channel since 2015 and I don’t had an Apache mail address. We have two slack channel at the moment? Where they come from? Von meinem iPhone gesendet __ Sven Vogel Teamlead Platform EWERK RZ GmbH Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig P +49 341 42649 - 11 F +49 341 42649 - 18 s.vo...@ewerk.com www.ewerk.com Geschäftsführer: Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Frank Richter Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 17023 Zertifiziert nach: ISO/IEC 27001:2013 DIN EN ISO 9001:2015 DIN ISO/IEC 2-1:2011 EWERK-Blog | LinkedIn | Xing | Twitter | Facebook Auskünfte und Angebote per Mail sind freibleibend und unverbindlich. Disclaimer Privacy: Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) ist vertraulich und nur für den Empfänger bestimmt. Sollten Sie nicht der bestimmungsgemäße Empfänger sein, ist Ihnen jegliche Offenlegung, Vervielfältigung, Weitergabe oder Nutzung des Inhalts untersagt. Bitte informieren Sie in diesem Fall unverzüglich den Absender und löschen Sie die E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) von Ihrem System. Vielen Dank. The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of its contents is strictly prohibited, and you should please notify the sender immediately and then delete it (including any attachments) from your system. Thank you. > Am 22.08.2019 um 18:13 schrieb Paul Angus : > > The ASF-slack page says that you need an apache email address to get an > account. If that is the case I'd be -1 on using that channel, as it blocks > anyone who isn't a committer. > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com > www.shapeblue.com > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK > @shapeblue > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrija Panic > Sent: 22 August 2019 16:57 > To: dev > Subject: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > Hi guys, > > Since IRC is pretty dead, and we already have a Slack channel ( > https://apachecloudstack.slack.com ) that we use atm, AND since there seems > to be an official ASF slack channel at https://the-asf.slack.com/, I would > like to open a discussion of the idea to "officially" move (i.e. marketing > this on all event pages and main web site) to that new CloudStack channel on > the official ASF slack account/page - and abandon (close for good) all others > chat channels. > > i.e. on this year conference page (http://us.cloudstackcollab.org/) we > currently announce the IRC channel (???) to be the one (and AFAIK it's pretty > dead) - so I would propose to move forward and update this, so the users can > be aware of "alive" chat channel > > Suggestions, opinions ? > > Regards, > > Andrija Panić
Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
I agreed with that Paul, but what Rohit mentioned (on our current Slack channel) is that some people joined with non-Apache email addresses, just they need an invitation (which is the case with our current Slack channel as well). (Actually, I also wasn't able to login to ASF slack with my @apache.org email address (checked my credentials, can access other Apache services)) @Rohit Yadav would be good to confirm this one please ^^^ Cheers On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 19:13, Paul Angus wrote: > The ASF-slack page says that you need an apache email address to get an > account. If that is the case I'd be -1 on using that channel, as it blocks > anyone who isn't a committer. > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com > www.shapeblue.com > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK > @shapeblue > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrija Panic > Sent: 22 August 2019 16:57 > To: dev > Subject: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > Hi guys, > > Since IRC is pretty dead, and we already have a Slack channel ( > https://apachecloudstack.slack.com ) that we use atm, AND since there > seems to be an official ASF slack channel at https://the-asf.slack.com/, > I would like to open a discussion of the idea to "officially" move (i.e. > marketing this on all event pages and main web site) to that new CloudStack > channel on the official ASF slack account/page - and abandon (close for > good) all others chat channels. > > i.e. on this year conference page (http://us.cloudstackcollab.org/) we > currently announce the IRC channel (???) to be the one (and AFAIK it's > pretty dead) - so I would propose to move forward and update this, so the > users can be aware of "alive" chat channel > > Suggestions, opinions ? > > Regards, > > Andrija Panić > -- Andrija Panić
RE: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
The ASF-slack page says that you need an apache email address to get an account. If that is the case I'd be -1 on using that channel, as it blocks anyone who isn't a committer. paul.an...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue -Original Message- From: Andrija Panic Sent: 22 August 2019 16:57 To: dev Subject: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel Hi guys, Since IRC is pretty dead, and we already have a Slack channel ( https://apachecloudstack.slack.com ) that we use atm, AND since there seems to be an official ASF slack channel at https://the-asf.slack.com/, I would like to open a discussion of the idea to "officially" move (i.e. marketing this on all event pages and main web site) to that new CloudStack channel on the official ASF slack account/page - and abandon (close for good) all others chat channels. i.e. on this year conference page (http://us.cloudstackcollab.org/) we currently announce the IRC channel (???) to be the one (and AFAIK it's pretty dead) - so I would propose to move forward and update this, so the users can be aware of "alive" chat channel Suggestions, opinions ? Regards, Andrija Panić
[DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
Hi guys, Since IRC is pretty dead, and we already have a Slack channel ( https://apachecloudstack.slack.com ) that we use atm, AND since there seems to be an official ASF slack channel at https://the-asf.slack.com/, I would like to open a discussion of the idea to "officially" move (i.e. marketing this on all event pages and main web site) to that new CloudStack channel on the official ASF slack account/page - and abandon (close for good) all others chat channels. i.e. on this year conference page (http://us.cloudstackcollab.org/) we currently announce the IRC channel (???) to be the one (and AFAIK it's pretty dead) - so I would propose to move forward and update this, so the users can be aware of "alive" chat channel Suggestions, opinions ? Regards, Andrija Panić
