Re: [jira] Commented: (COCOON-2110) Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap engine

2007-08-17 Thread Daniel Fagerstrom

Grzegorz Kossakowski skrev:

Daniel Fagerstrom pisze:

Grzegorz Kossakowski skrev:

Vadim Gritsenko (JIRA) pisze:

Actually, such syntax is supported[1] in our code for almost two 
years now.


The new syntax is supported but it is plugable and the default 
settings is using the old syntax. I didn't find any detailed design 
discussion about the design in the archives, the idea is suggested in 
http://marc.info/?l=xml-cocoon-devm=110651769909483w=2.


For the actual implementation, the parsing of a string with embedded 
expression calls (a string template) is plugable using the interface 
o.a.c.template.expression.StringTemplateParser. The current syntax is 
handles by JXTGStringTemplateParser and the new one by 
DefaultStringTemplateParser. The choice of string template parser is 
done in 
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/cocoon/trunk/blocks/cocoon-template/cocoon-template-impl/src/main/resources/META-INF/cocoon/avalon/cocoon-template.xconf. 



The whole string template mechanism (the package 
o.a.c.template.expression) could preferably be reused in the sitemap 
as well. To do this the package needs to be moved to the core 
(cocoon-expression-language) and refactored a little bit, the 
dependencies on o.a.c.template.environment.ParsingContext and 
o.a.c.template.environment.ErrorHolder needs to be removed and a more 
appropriate package name should be found.


...
To sum up, new syntax has been introduced during refactoring of 
Template block and since community already voted to switch to 
refactored code it also voted for new syntax.


The vote was not about removing the current syntax. It was about 
switching default implementation of the JXTG concept.


Speaking about myself I prefer much more language prefixes and I 
think we should go for it. The question that we need to answer is if 
we want to support #{} syntax in sitemap? Since it was never there I 
don't think it makes sense to do so.


Using the string template mechanism in the sitemap we get the current 
JXTG syntax for free, but I would advice users to not use it.


Daniel, I implemented what you proposed

Good.
but not committed yet due to regression it introduces. Basically, I 
implemented handling of sitemap expressions in 
LegacyStringTemplateParser (JXTGStringTemplateParser in the past) and 
it's seems to work ok with basic tests. However, 
LegacyStringTemplateParser is also used in Template block so, as 
result of my changes, one will be able to evaluate sitemap expressions 
in templates. It's not that bad but it introduces small regression.
One of the points with plugability is that you can have several 
implementations of the interface ;)


I suggest that you leave LegacyStringTemplateParser as it was before and 
put your new code in a LegacySitemapStringTemplateParser that only is 
used in the sitemap. Then you of course need to see if you get any 
regression in the sitemap.


But I wonder why you want to combine the JXTG and sitemap template 
syntax at all, why not just people chose between the old syntax and the 
new unified syntax. I suggest that you start a new less technical thread 
about how you want to have the expression syntax in the sitemap and the 
templates, so that the rest of the community can have opinions.
With old implementation of JXTGStringTemplateParser it was possible to 
escape { character but not mandatory. With new implementation it's 
mandatory because it will be parsed as sitemap expression otherwise. I 
tried to search for all occurrences of such unescaped { with this 
command:
find | xargs grep http://apache.org/cocoon/templates/jx/1.0; -l | 
xargs grep -E \?xml -l | xargs grep -E [^#\$][{] -l | grep -E 
--invert-match .svn|target


and got following results:
./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/dreamteam/content/teamTemplate.jx 

./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/file_explorer_template.xml 

./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/inplace_edit_template.xml 

./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/datasource_chooser_template.xml 

./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/dynamicrepeater_template.xml 

./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/sampletree_template.xml 

./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/xmlresult_template.xml 

./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/carselector_template.xml 

./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/multipage_template.xml 

./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/xdoceditor_template.xml 

./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/tasktree_template.xml 

./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/dynamicrepeater_dojo_template.xml 


Re: [jira] Commented: (COCOON-2110) Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap engine

2007-08-17 Thread Grzegorz Kossakowski

Daniel Fagerstrom pisze:
One of the points with plugability is that you can have several 
implementations of the interface ;)


;)

I suggest that you leave LegacyStringTemplateParser as it was before and 
put your new code in a LegacySitemapStringTemplateParser that only is 
used in the sitemap. Then you of course need to see if you get any 
regression in the sitemap.


But I wonder why you want to combine the JXTG and sitemap template 
syntax at all, why not just people chose between the old syntax and the 
new unified syntax. I suggest that you start a new less technical thread 
about how you want to have the expression syntax in the sitemap and the 
templates, so that the rest of the community can have opinions.


After sleeping with this problem in mind I'm starting to wonder, too. ;-)
It's good that nobody have seen this code that made gluing possible, it's 
nightmare...

No, not without a detailed evaluation of alternative solutions, a cost 
and benefit analyze of the change and a vote.


Ok, enough points to distance me from introducing back incompatibility :)

Are you starting to see some pattern in my responses to your suggestions 
about create back incompatibility ;)


There is another one: When I start to talk about back incompatibility it's a sign I'm stuck and need 
to talk with someone more experienced to get an advice. ;)


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Re: [jira] Commented: (COCOON-2110) Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap engine

2007-08-16 Thread Grzegorz Kossakowski

Daniel Fagerstrom pisze:

Grzegorz Kossakowski skrev:

Vadim Gritsenko (JIRA) pisze:

Actually, such syntax is supported[1] in our code for almost two years 
now.


The new syntax is supported but it is plugable and the default settings 
is using the old syntax. I didn't find any detailed design discussion 
about the design in the archives, the idea is suggested in 
http://marc.info/?l=xml-cocoon-devm=110651769909483w=2.


For the actual implementation, the parsing of a string with embedded 
expression calls (a string template) is plugable using the interface 
o.a.c.template.expression.StringTemplateParser. The current syntax is 
handles by JXTGStringTemplateParser and the new one by 
DefaultStringTemplateParser. The choice of string template parser is 
done in 
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/cocoon/trunk/blocks/cocoon-template/cocoon-template-impl/src/main/resources/META-INF/cocoon/avalon/cocoon-template.xconf. 



The whole string template mechanism (the package 
o.a.c.template.expression) could preferably be reused in the sitemap as 
well. To do this the package needs to be moved to the core 
(cocoon-expression-language) and refactored a little bit, the 
dependencies on o.a.c.template.environment.ParsingContext and 
o.a.c.template.environment.ErrorHolder needs to be removed and a more 
appropriate package name should be found.


...
To sum up, new syntax has been introduced during refactoring of 
Template block and since community already voted to switch to 
refactored code it also voted for new syntax.


The vote was not about removing the current syntax. It was about 
switching default implementation of the JXTG concept.


Speaking about myself I prefer much more language prefixes and I think 
we should go for it. The question that we need to answer is if we want 
to support #{} syntax in sitemap? Since it was never there I don't 
think it makes sense to do so.


Using the string template mechanism in the sitemap we get the current 
JXTG syntax for free, but I would advice users to not use it.


Daniel, I implemented what you proposed but not committed yet due to regression it introduces. 
Basically, I implemented handling of sitemap expressions in LegacyStringTemplateParser 
(JXTGStringTemplateParser in the past) and it's seems to work ok with basic tests. However, 
LegacyStringTemplateParser is also used in Template block so, as result of my changes, one will be 
able to evaluate sitemap expressions in templates. It's not that bad but it introduces small regression.


With old implementation of JXTGStringTemplateParser it was possible to escape { character but not 
mandatory. With new implementation it's mandatory because it will be parsed as sitemap expression 
otherwise. I tried to search for all occurrences of such unescaped { with this command:
find | xargs grep http://apache.org/cocoon/templates/jx/1.0; -l | xargs grep -E \?xml -l | xargs 
grep -E [^#\$][{] -l | grep -E --invert-match .svn|target


and got following results:
./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/dreamteam/content/teamTemplate.jx
./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/file_explorer_template.xml
./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/inplace_edit_template.xml
./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/datasource_chooser_template.xml
./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/dynamicrepeater_template.xml
./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/sampletree_template.xml
./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/xmlresult_template.xml
./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/carselector_template.xml
./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/multipage_template.xml
./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/xdoceditor_template.xml
./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/tasktree_template.xml
./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/dynamicrepeater_dojo_template.xml
./blocks/cocoon-forms/cocoon-forms-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/forms/dynamicrepeaters_dojo_template.xml
./blocks/cocoon-template/cocoon-template-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/view/caching2.jx
./blocks/cocoon-template/cocoon-template-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/view/caching3.jx
./blocks/cocoon-template/cocoon-template-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/view/caching1.jx
./blocks/cocoon-template/cocoon-template-sample/src/main/resources/COB-INF/view/caching4.jx
./blocks/cocoon-ajax/cocoon-ajax-impl/src/main/resources/org/apache/cocoon/ajax/resources/macros/timedbrowserupdater.xml

Not that much files to fix on our side but I'm wondering about our users. What do you think? Can we 
go on with such regression?


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Re: [jira] Commented: (COCOON-2110) Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap engine

2007-08-14 Thread Grzegorz Kossakowski

Daniel Fagerstrom pisze:

Grzegorz Kossakowski skrev:

Vadim Gritsenko (JIRA) pisze:

Actually, such syntax is supported[1] in our code for almost two years 
now.


The new syntax is supported but it is plugable and the default settings 
is using the old syntax. I didn't find any detailed design discussion 
about the design in the archives, the idea is suggested in 
http://marc.info/?l=xml-cocoon-devm=110651769909483w=2.


For the actual implementation, the parsing of a string with embedded 
expression calls (a string template) is plugable using the interface 
o.a.c.template.expression.StringTemplateParser. The current syntax is 
handles by JXTGStringTemplateParser and the new one by 
DefaultStringTemplateParser. The choice of string template parser is 
done in 
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/cocoon/trunk/blocks/cocoon-template/cocoon-template-impl/src/main/resources/META-INF/cocoon/avalon/cocoon-template.xconf. 



The whole string template mechanism (the package 
o.a.c.template.expression) could preferably be reused in the sitemap as 
well. To do this the package needs to be moved to the core 
(cocoon-expression-language) and refactored a little bit, the 
dependencies on o.a.c.template.environment.ParsingContext and 
o.a.c.template.environment.ErrorHolder needs to be removed and a more 
appropriate package name should be found.


Thanks for bringing this. I'm looking now on this stuff and wonder how we should integrate old 
sitemap mechanisms. Do I have right impression that I would have to implement StringTemplateParser 
for old syntax?


What makes me wonder is that ErrorHolder class. I really don't understand it's purpose and our 
archives don't help in this case.


ErrorHoler is used when is caught java.lang.Error so it's stored in ErrorHolder this class is 
rethrown. According to javadocs:


  An Error is a subclass of Throwable that indicates serious problems that a 
reasonable application
  should not try to catch. Most such errors are abnormal conditions. The 
ThreadDeath error, though a
  normal condition, is also a subclass of Error because most applications 
should not try to catch
  it.

this exception should be never caught. What's the secret here?

To sum up, new syntax has been introduced during refactoring of 
Template block and since community already voted to switch to 
refactored code it also voted for new syntax.


The vote was not about removing the current syntax. It was about 
switching default implementation of the JXTG concept.


You are right, I misinterpreted things.



Using the string template mechanism in the sitemap we get the current 
JXTG syntax for free, but I would advice users to not use it.


What about deprecating?


I'm all for recommending using the new unified expression mechanism and 
for having a migration guide. But I'm -1 for forcing people to switch 
immediately, especially as we already have a mechanism for making the 
syntax plugable.


I understand your concerns and I agree it should be quite easy to reuse existing mechanisms. The 
only doubt remains is about ErrorHolder.


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Re: [jira] Commented: (COCOON-2110) Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap engine

2007-08-14 Thread Grzegorz Kossakowski

Daniel Fagerstrom pisze:
As I wrote about in 
http://marc.info/?l=xml-cocoon-devm=118683052219287w=2 we already 
(since maybe two years ago) has a migration path from the old to the new 
syntax. 


As you see almost nobody has known that such migration path exists so, in a 
fact, there was not any.
Lack of documentation is serious obstacle especially in such situations.

As the string template readers in template is plugable. In that 
implementation we actually use {} for the new syntax (following XSLT) as 
people seemed to prefer that back then. This is of course not written in 
stone, we could use ${} instead if that is what people prefer now. If we 
use ${} we more or less have to have JEXL as default expression language 
implementation, otherwise it will be highly confusing.


I wanted to use ${} to distinguish old sitemap expressions from new one. Since we somehow agreed to 
use StringTemplateParser functionality the choice of expression handling will be done not by using 
one or another syntax but by configuring parser. Having said that I think that use of $ sign will be 
redundant. What do you think?


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Re: [jira] Commented: (COCOON-2110) Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap engine

2007-08-13 Thread Grzegorz Kossakowski

Joerg Heinicke pisze:
I wonder what exactly will it be when everything is unified: {} or ${}? 
I thought it's the latter, also the issue description seems to point on 
this.


The latter one because it's already used in Template and this way new expressions can be evaluated 
alongside old ones. This way we can provide smooth migration path.


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Re: [jira] Commented: (COCOON-2110) Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap engine

2007-08-13 Thread Daniel Fagerstrom

Grzegorz Kossakowski skrev:

Joerg Heinicke pisze:
I wonder what exactly will it be when everything is unified: {} or 
${}? I thought it's the latter, also the issue description seems to 
point on this.


The latter one because it's already used in Template and this way new 
expressions can be evaluated alongside old ones. This way we can provide 
smooth migration path.


As I wrote about in 
http://marc.info/?l=xml-cocoon-devm=118683052219287w=2 we already 
(since maybe two years ago) has a migration path from the old to the new 
syntax. As the string template readers in template is plugable. In that 
implementation we actually use {} for the new syntax (following XSLT) as 
people seemed to prefer that back then. This is of course not written in 
stone, we could use ${} instead if that is what people prefer now. If we 
use ${} we more or less have to have JEXL as default expression language 
implementation, otherwise it will be highly confusing.


/Daniel



Re: [jira] Commented: (COCOON-2110) Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap engine

2007-08-12 Thread Joerg Heinicke

On 11.08.2007 6:23 Uhr, Alfred Nathaniel wrote:

On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 11:22 +0200, Grzegorz Kossakowski wrote:


Thanks for the summary, Grek.

Speaking about myself I prefer much more language prefixes and I think we should go for it. The 
question that we need to answer is if we want to support #{} syntax in sitemap? Since it was never 
there I don't think it makes sense to do so.


Introducing #{} does indeed make no sense.


The existing {input-module:parameter} syntax is flexible enough to support
{jexl:cocoon.request.some_param} and {jxpath:cocoon/request/some_param},
and that is not much harder to read or write than the ${} and #{}
equivalents.


I wonder what exactly will it be when everything is unified: {} or ${}? 
I thought it's the latter, also the issue description seems to point on 
this.


Joerg


Re: [jira] Commented: (COCOON-2110) Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap engine

2007-08-11 Thread Grzegorz Kossakowski

Vadim Gritsenko (JIRA) pisze:

Vadim Gritsenko commented on COCOON-2110: 
-

Don't we have a history of using #{foo} for jxpath and ${foo} for jexl? Doing 
it differently
would just result in more confusion. I'd rather have it more uniform throughout.


Actually, such syntax is supported[1] in our code for almost two years now. I believe that it was 
Sylvain who proposed[2] prefixes for languages, first time. Then it was Reinhard who followed up[3] 
Sylvain's idea:


  A.) Rewrite/refactor JXTemplate
  - break it up in smaller, easier understandable/maintainable pieces
  - deprecate #{} syntax and make expression languages plugable as
Sylvain suggested
  - investigate the performance problems (I guess there are only
problems if macros are used)
  - add the missing things from above

To sum up, new syntax has been introduced during refactoring of Template block and since community 
already voted to switch to refactored code it also voted for new syntax.


Speaking about myself I prefer much more language prefixes and I think we should go for it. The 
question that we need to answer is if we want to support #{} syntax in sitemap? Since it was never 
there I don't think it makes sense to do so.


I would prefer to just create migration guide that would clarify current situation of expressions 
evaluation and would advice to use new syntax everywhere. Also, switching to new syntax is really 
trivial, it involves find  replace operation based on simple regexp. Is it a really big deal if 
it's well described?


[1] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.text.xml.cocoon.cvs/17868
[2] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.text.xml.cocoon.devel/42659
[3] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.text.xml.cocoon.devel/42857

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Re: [jira] Commented: (COCOON-2110) Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap engine

2007-08-11 Thread Alfred Nathaniel
On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 11:22 +0200, Grzegorz Kossakowski wrote:

 Speaking about myself I prefer much more language prefixes and I think we 
 should go for it. The 
 question that we need to answer is if we want to support #{} syntax in 
 sitemap? Since it was never 
 there I don't think it makes sense to do so.

I also don't see the benefit of extending the sitemap syntax.  The
existing {input-module:parameter} syntax is flexible enough to support
{jexl:cocoon.request.some_param} and {jxpath:cocoon/request/some_param},
and that is not much harder to read or write than the ${} and #{}
equivalents.

Besides it avoids all problems where you would want to have a literal $
or # immediately followed by an input module expression.  (Although I
cannot think just now of an example where that would occur.)

Cheers, Alfred.



Re: [jira] Commented: (COCOON-2110) Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap engine

2007-08-11 Thread Grzegorz Kossakowski

Hi Alfred,

Alfred Nathaniel pisze:

On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 11:22 +0200, Grzegorz Kossakowski wrote:

Speaking about myself I prefer much more language prefixes and I think we should go for it. The 
question that we need to answer is if we want to support #{} syntax in sitemap? Since it was never 
there I don't think it makes sense to do so.


I also don't see the benefit of extending the sitemap syntax.  The
existing {input-module:parameter} syntax is flexible enough to support
{jexl:cocoon.request.some_param} and {jxpath:cocoon/request/some_param},
and that is not much harder to read or write than the ${} and #{}
equivalents.


Actually, one of my goals for GSoC project is to get rid of input modules completely and only 
support expression evaluation. As for now, I'm _not_ going to remove old code handling input modules 
from cocoon-sitemap-impl but only add possibility to evaluate new refactored expressions.


Decision about my goals has been discussed earlier.


Besides it avoids all problems where you would want to have a literal $
or # immediately followed by an input module expression.  (Although I
cannot think just now of an example where that would occur.)


Why not use escaping? It's already supported.

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Re: [jira] Commented: (COCOON-2110) Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap engine

2007-08-11 Thread Daniel Fagerstrom

Grzegorz Kossakowski skrev:

Vadim Gritsenko (JIRA) pisze:
Vadim Gritsenko commented on COCOON-2110: 
-


Don't we have a history of using #{foo} for jxpath and ${foo} for 
jexl? Doing it differently
would just result in more confusion. I'd rather have it more uniform 
throughout.


Actually, such syntax is supported[1] in our code for almost two years 
now.


The new syntax is supported but it is plugable and the default settings 
is using the old syntax. I didn't find any detailed design discussion 
about the design in the archives, the idea is suggested in 
http://marc.info/?l=xml-cocoon-devm=110651769909483w=2.


For the actual implementation, the parsing of a string with embedded 
expression calls (a string template) is plugable using the interface 
o.a.c.template.expression.StringTemplateParser. The current syntax is 
handles by JXTGStringTemplateParser and the new one by 
DefaultStringTemplateParser. The choice of string template parser is 
done in 
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/cocoon/trunk/blocks/cocoon-template/cocoon-template-impl/src/main/resources/META-INF/cocoon/avalon/cocoon-template.xconf. 



The whole string template mechanism (the package 
o.a.c.template.expression) could preferably be reused in the sitemap as 
well. To do this the package needs to be moved to the core 
(cocoon-expression-language) and refactored a little bit, the 
dependencies on o.a.c.template.environment.ParsingContext and 
o.a.c.template.environment.ErrorHolder needs to be removed and a more 
appropriate package name should be found.


...
To sum up, new syntax has been introduced during refactoring of Template 
block and since community already voted to switch to refactored code it 
also voted for new syntax.


The vote was not about removing the current syntax. It was about 
switching default implementation of the JXTG concept.


Speaking about myself I prefer much more language prefixes and I think 
we should go for it. The question that we need to answer is if we want 
to support #{} syntax in sitemap? Since it was never there I don't think 
it makes sense to do so.


Using the string template mechanism in the sitemap we get the current 
JXTG syntax for free, but I would advice users to not use it.


I would prefer to just create migration guide that would clarify current 
situation of expressions evaluation and would advice to use new syntax 
everywhere. Also, switching to new syntax is really trivial, it involves 
find  replace operation based on simple regexp. Is it a really big deal 
if it's well described?


I'm all for recommending using the new unified expression mechanism and 
for having a migration guide. But I'm -1 for forcing people to switch 
immediately, especially as we already have a mechanism for making the 
syntax plugable.


/Daniel



[jira] Commented: (COCOON-2110) Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap engine

2007-08-10 Thread Vadim Gritsenko (JIRA)

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https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COCOON-2110?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#action_12519184
 ] 

Vadim Gritsenko commented on COCOON-2110:
-

Don't we have a history of using #{foo} for jxpath and ${foo} for jexl? Doing 
it differently would just result in more confusion. I'd rather have it more 
uniform throughout.

 Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap 
 engine
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 Key: COCOON-2110
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COCOON-2110
 Project: Cocoon
  Issue Type: New Feature
  Components: - Components: Sitemap, - Expression language
Affects Versions: 2.2-dev (Current SVN)
Reporter: Grzegorz Kossakowski
Assignee: Grzegorz Kossakowski
 Fix For: 2.2-dev (Current SVN)


 Description of the task is relatively simple; all I want to achieve is to 
 make possible following construct in sitemap:
 map:transform type=xslt
   map:parameter name=request_param value=${cocoon/request/some_param}/
 /map:transform
 assuming that JXPath (used above) is default EL of choice. Of course one 
 would be able to use following construct:
 map:transform type=xslt
   map:parameter name=request_param 
 value=${jexl:cocoon.request.some_param}/
 /map:transform

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[jira] Commented: (COCOON-2110) Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap engine

2007-08-10 Thread JIRA

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Jörg Heinicke commented on COCOON-2110:
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The start chars of the expression changes to ${ for all expression languages. 
The expression language gets selected by the first part like jexl above. The 
same applies to JXPath. It is only the default and therefore left out. That the 
expression language itself might be different sounds reasonable. So I don't 
think it's more different than before.

 Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap 
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 Key: COCOON-2110
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COCOON-2110
 Project: Cocoon
  Issue Type: New Feature
  Components: - Components: Sitemap, - Expression language
Affects Versions: 2.2-dev (Current SVN)
Reporter: Grzegorz Kossakowski
Assignee: Grzegorz Kossakowski
 Fix For: 2.2-dev (Current SVN)


 Description of the task is relatively simple; all I want to achieve is to 
 make possible following construct in sitemap:
 map:transform type=xslt
   map:parameter name=request_param value=${cocoon/request/some_param}/
 /map:transform
 assuming that JXPath (used above) is default EL of choice. Of course one 
 would be able to use following construct:
 map:transform type=xslt
   map:parameter name=request_param 
 value=${jexl:cocoon.request.some_param}/
 /map:transform

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[jira] Commented: (COCOON-2110) Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap engine

2007-08-10 Thread Vadim Gritsenko (JIRA)

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Vadim Gritsenko commented on COCOON-2110:
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I'm not sure I can recall this decision - to change the start char. First, it 
is backward incompatible change, which means it can't be done in 2.2 - only in 
2.3, if ever. And second, at this moment, in cforms samples alone, there are 56 
#{foo} expressions or so. Dropping support for that would note be wise.

 Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap 
 engine
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 Key: COCOON-2110
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COCOON-2110
 Project: Cocoon
  Issue Type: New Feature
  Components: - Components: Sitemap, - Expression language
Affects Versions: 2.2-dev (Current SVN)
Reporter: Grzegorz Kossakowski
Assignee: Grzegorz Kossakowski
 Fix For: 2.2-dev (Current SVN)


 Description of the task is relatively simple; all I want to achieve is to 
 make possible following construct in sitemap:
 map:transform type=xslt
   map:parameter name=request_param value=${cocoon/request/some_param}/
 /map:transform
 assuming that JXPath (used above) is default EL of choice. Of course one 
 would be able to use following construct:
 map:transform type=xslt
   map:parameter name=request_param 
 value=${jexl:cocoon.request.some_param}/
 /map:transform

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[jira] Commented: (COCOON-2110) Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap engine

2007-08-10 Thread JIRA

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Jörg Heinicke commented on COCOON-2110:
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I neither can recall it. How this one came up, Grek? I'm in favor of it though.

Backward incompatible change itself seems not to be disqualifying, see the 
discussion about the environment. One can argue with public vs. private API 
here though ...

In this case it should be even possible to support the #{} expressions as well 
and log some deprecation message. This would allow a change in 2.2.

Let's bring it back to dev list - even if it's only for the decision of 
changing the start chars.

 Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap 
 engine
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 Key: COCOON-2110
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COCOON-2110
 Project: Cocoon
  Issue Type: New Feature
  Components: - Components: Sitemap, - Expression language
Affects Versions: 2.2-dev (Current SVN)
Reporter: Grzegorz Kossakowski
Assignee: Grzegorz Kossakowski
 Fix For: 2.2-dev (Current SVN)


 Description of the task is relatively simple; all I want to achieve is to 
 make possible following construct in sitemap:
 map:transform type=xslt
   map:parameter name=request_param value=${cocoon/request/some_param}/
 /map:transform
 assuming that JXPath (used above) is default EL of choice. Of course one 
 would be able to use following construct:
 map:transform type=xslt
   map:parameter name=request_param 
 value=${jexl:cocoon.request.some_param}/
 /map:transform

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[jira] Commented: (COCOON-2110) Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap engine

2007-08-10 Thread JIRA

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Jörg Heinicke commented on COCOON-2110:
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Public vs. private API does not stand a second sight. Request.getSession() is 
for sure accessed very often ...

 Evaluate expressions defined in cocooon-expression-language-api in Sitemap 
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 Key: COCOON-2110
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COCOON-2110
 Project: Cocoon
  Issue Type: New Feature
  Components: - Components: Sitemap, - Expression language
Affects Versions: 2.2-dev (Current SVN)
Reporter: Grzegorz Kossakowski
Assignee: Grzegorz Kossakowski
 Fix For: 2.2-dev (Current SVN)


 Description of the task is relatively simple; all I want to achieve is to 
 make possible following construct in sitemap:
 map:transform type=xslt
   map:parameter name=request_param value=${cocoon/request/some_param}/
 /map:transform
 assuming that JXPath (used above) is default EL of choice. Of course one 
 would be able to use following construct:
 map:transform type=xslt
   map:parameter name=request_param 
 value=${jexl:cocoon.request.some_param}/
 /map:transform

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